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The 5 Nazi-est moments from Buzzfeed’s exposé of the Milo/Breitbart alt-right sausage factory

Milo Yiannopoulos: Actually worse than you already thought

By David Futrelle

So you all need to drop whatever you’re doing to read Buzzfeed’s amazing exposé of Breitbart’s use of conscienceless troll journalist Milo Yiannopoulos to push white supremacism into the American political mainstream (again).

Basing his reporting in part on a vast trove of leaked Milo emails, Buzzfeed reporter Joseph Bernstein is able to offer a somewhat gruesome behind-the scenes look at the symbiotic relationship between Milo and Breitbart’s Steve Bannon during the crucial months leading up to Trump’s electoral college victory.

If you thought the end product of the Milo/Breitbart collaboration was disgusting, well, it turns out that the sausage factory that produced it was even more disgusting. And lousy with Nazis to boot.

Again, you need to read the whole piece. But in the meantime, let me whet your appetite a little with what I’d like to call the 5 Nazi-est moments from Buzzfeed’s exposé of the Milo/Breitbart alt-right sausage factory.

Let’s start with:

Milo serenading a gaggle of sieg-heiling Nazis at a Dallas karaoke bar.

Roll the video;

According to Buzfeed, Milo later told them that his “his ‘severe myopia’ made it impossible for him to see the Hitler salutes a few feet away.”

Milo using Nazi references for his not-very-secure passwords.

As Buzzfeed explains:

In an April 6 email, Allum Bokhari mentioned having had access to an account of Yiannopoulos’s with “a password that began with the word Kristall.” Kristallnacht, an infamous 1938 riot against German Jews carried out by the SA — the paramilitary organization that helped Hitler rise to power — is sometimes considered the beginning of the Holocaust. In a June 2016 email to an assistant, Yiannopoulos shared the password to his email, which began “LongKnives1290.” The Night of the Long Knives was the Nazi purge of the leadership of the SA. The purge famously included Ernst Röhm, the SA’s gay leader. 1290 is the year King Edward I expelled the Jews from England.

Milo’s editors repeatedly having to remove horrible anti-Semitic jokes from his articles because they didn’t want to be quite that obvious about what they were pushing

Frequently, Alex Marlow’s job editing him came down to rejecting anti-Semitic and racist ideas and jokes. …

Editing a September 2016 Yiannopoulos speech, Marlow approved a joke about “shekels” but added that “you can’t even flirt with OKing gas chamber tweets,” asking for such a line to be removed. 

Milo sending “his” now-notorious guide to the alt-right to several prominent alt-rightists for approval before publishing it

Needless to say, ethical journalists don’t generally send copies of their articles to the subjects of their articles before publishing them.

Interesting sidenote: Though Milo’s underling Allum Bokhari basically wrote the whole article, Buzzfeed reports, Milo wanted his name alone on it, telling his editor in an email that “I want the glory here.” Bokhari, wanting some credit for the article he’d written, appealed to Milo’s Machiavellian instincts by suggesting that “it actually lowers the risk if someone with a brown-sounding name shares the BL.” (Bokhari is half-Pakistani.) Ultimately, the article was credited to both of them, with Milo;s name listed first.

Milo has collaborators, just like the Nazis did!

Despite his obvious odiousness and his many ties to white supremacists and literal Nazis, Milo managed to win himself a number of liberal allies on the down low. As Buzzfeed notes:

Yiannopoulos had hidden helpers in the liberal media against which he and Bannon fought so uncompromisingly. A long-running email group devoted to mocking stories about the social justice internet included, predictably, Yiannopoulos’s friend Ann Coulter, but also Mitchell Sunderland, a senior staff writer at Broadly, Vice’s women’s channel. …

“Please mock this fat feminist,” Sunderland wrote to Yiannopoulos in May 2016, along with a link to an article by the New York Times columnist Lindy West, who frequently writes about fat acceptance. …

Dan Lyons, the veteran tech reporter … emailed Yiannopoulos (“you little troublemaker”) periodically to wonder about the birth sex of Zoë Quinn, another GamerGate target, and Amber Discko, the founder of the feminist website Femsplain, and to suggest a story about the public treatment of the venture capitalist Joe Lonsdale, who had been accused of sexual assault in a lawsuit that the plaintiff eventually dropped.

Lovely.

And these little details are merely the tip of the Nazi iceberg. You’ve got to read the whole thing.

UNRELATED HEALTH NOTE: Sorry I haven’t been able to resume regular posts just yet. I appreciate your patience and support and will get back to regular posting as soon as I can, but I don’t know if that will be a matter of days or longer. Thanks again, everyone!

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PaganReader - Misandrist Spinster

Take as much time as you need, David. Just pop into the comments when you feel up to it, so we know you’re still alive.

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3 years ago

@PeeVee It’s tempting to go back and read all his articles knowing now where his true sympathies lie.

Before he did the Columbine massacre, Eric Harris wrote an essay about the atrocities of Nazi Germany; atrocities that he actually enjoyed and that fueled his revenge fantasies, but that he spun in such a way that he fooled his teachers into thinking he was just creatively highlighting the horrors of the fascist regime.

Sheila Crosby
3 years ago

OT. guardian article: Rape and slavery was lure for UK Isis recruits with history of sexual violence
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/oct/07/isis-rape-slavery-british-recruits-islamic-state
Probably not a huge surprise to most mammotheers.

History Nerd
History Nerd
3 years ago

It’s not too surprising that Milo had his own staff and work-shopped his writings and appearances on private Slack channels with chan trolls. The more sophisticated trolls are good at testing the line between speech you can get banned for and very offensive weaponized speech that a forum’s users will tolerate. Also that meant Milo had direct access to people who felt personally “oppressed” by social justice movements, when some of the older Breitbart staff might prefer to focus on politics and think those grievances are silly (like feeling “oppressed” because someone criticizes video games you like).

Mish of the Catlady Ascendancy
Mish of the Catlady Ascendancy
3 years ago

@eibhear,

ohmygodohmygod sand cat kittens in the wild!!!!
*ahem*

Not sure how to embed from Vimeo, but this link will take you there.
Here’s a pic, just in case someone here hasn’t had the incredible, life-altering experience of seeing them before:

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calmdown
calmdown
3 years ago

when some of the older Breitbart staff might prefer to focus on politics and think those grievances are silly (like feeling “oppressed” because someone criticizes video games you like).

You mean like the one who didn’t understand the Pepe meme, becuase I thought that was hilarious!

Marlow sent Yiannopoulos a list of edits and notes Bannon had solicited from James Pinkerton, a former Reagan and George H.W. Bush staffer and a contributing editor of the American Conservative. The 59-year-old Pinkerton was put off by a cartoon of Pepe the Frog conducting the Trump Train.

“I love art,” he wrote inline. “I think [Breitbart News Network] needs a lot more of it, but I don’t get the above. Frogs? Kermit? Am I missing something here?”

tim gueguen
3 years ago

Bad news to report. Richard Spencer and his fellow creeps are marching in Charlottsville again.

Orion
Orion
3 years ago

Christ. My boyfriend (who is black) was working a few blocks from there tonight.

Mish of the Catlady Ascendancy
Mish of the Catlady Ascendancy
3 years ago

@tim gueguen

Bad news to report. Richard Spencer and his fellow creeps are marching in Charlottsville again.

Fuck. What are they planning?

(@Orion, hope your bf is ok?)

PeeVee the (Tired of the Militant Plasticfaced) Sarcastic
PeeVee the (Tired of the Militant Plasticfaced) Sarcastic
3 years ago

OMG, leave poor Charlottesville alone.

Assholes.

They have done enough to that city.

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
3 years ago
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
3 years ago

My earlier comment about the story below on Costa Rica got eaten.

This is an interesting article. I’m not thrilled with the fact that Costa Rica accommodated US imperialism — but I also don’t know how Costa Rica could have refused our country.

Want to avert the apocalypse? Take lessons from Costa Rica
Jason Hickel

Chasing economic growth gains us nothing but global warming. We should follow the lead of tiny Costa Rica, where life expectancy is soaring

Costa Rica proves that achieving high levels of human wellbeing has very little to do with GDP and almost everything to do with something very different.

Every few years the New Economics Foundation publishes the Happy Planet Index – a measure of progress that looks at life expectancy, wellbeing and equality rather than the narrow metric of GDP, and plots these measures against ecological impact. Costa Rica tops the list of countries every time. With a life expectancy of 79.1 years and levels of wellbeing in the top 7% of the world, Costa Rica matches many Scandinavian nations in these areas and neatly outperforms the United States. And it manages all of this with a GDP per capita of only $10,000 (£7,640), less than one fifth that of the US.
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In this sense, Costa Rica is the most efficient economy on earth: it produces high standards of living with low GDP and minimal pressure on the environment.

How do they do it? Professors Martínez-Franzoni and Sánchez-Ancochea argue that it’s all down to Costa Rica’s commitment to universalism: the principle that everyone – regardless of income – should have equal access to generous, high-quality social services as a basic right. A series of progressive governments started rolling out healthcare, education and social security in the 1940s and expanded these to the whole population from the 50s onward, after abolishing the military and freeing up more resources for social spending.

Costa Rica wasn’t alone in this effort, of course. Progressive governments elsewhere in Latin America made similar moves, but in nearly every case the US violently intervened to stop them for fear that “communist” ideas might scupper American interests in the region. Costa Rica escaped this fate by outwardly claiming to be anti-communist and – horribly – allowing US-backed forces to use the country as a base in the contra war against Nicaragua.

The upshot is that Costa Rica is one of only a few countries in the global south that enjoys robust universalism. It’s not perfect, however. Relatively high levels of income inequality make the economy less efficient than it otherwise might be. But the country’s achievements are still impressive. On the back of universal social policy, Costa Rica surpassed the US in life expectancy in the late 80s, when its GDP per capita was a mere tenth of America’s.

Orion
Orion
3 years ago

Oh, he’s fine. As far as I know nothing much happened tonight, and at any event he was/is at work on the 9th floor of a hotel half a mile away.

Feline
Feline
3 years ago

@Mish of the Catlady Ascendancy:

Not sure how to embed from Vimeo, but this link will take you there.

Eeeeeeeeeh, the cutest confused kittens!
Wait, what actually are sand cats? According to the top picture they’re made to be confused.
It’s actually curious how many small cats there are that one generally don’t know about. Big cats, sure, but the small ones? Looking at its description I actually think I’ve seen it on a nature show, but forgotten about it.

@tim gueguen:

Bad news to report. Richard Spencer and his fellow creeps are marching in Charlottsville again.

I’ve been talking previously about how the neo-nazi playbook is consistent throughout the years and over national borders.
(It’s almost like spending all their energy fighting socialist internationalists made people miss fascist internationalism)
They keep trying the limits of law enforcement with unallowed (but generally not strictly illegal) demonstrations (and those are of course even worse than the allowed ones when it comes to their habitual stomping of marginalized people), in order for us to treat nazis marching in the streets as something that is, while regrettable, permitted and normal.
Look, when I talk about the importance of punching nazis (opinions about which previously presented are mine and mine alone, not to be used to smear others than me. Yeah, I’m looking at you) I’m talking about more than the singular nazi. These things are what I’m talking about.
“Maybe we shouldn’t be so upset about nazis marching with nazi flags on our thoroughfares, it’s not like they’re knifing people while marching.”
No, they hunt down feminists, leftists, dark-skinned people, LGBTQ people and other people they find disagreeable afterwards. With knives. Or worse, I’d guess, in the American context.
They’re all about normalizing what we should find unacceptable by bits and pieces.
Back here in Sweden we’re seeing an uptick in racism and neo-nazism. This can be (softly) traced back to the acceptance of our neo-nazi party as “a party like all others”. But it recapitulates the early nineties in a way that bothers me, because the party that spearheaded that upsurge of racism was “New Democracy” (and if that name isn’t a red flag to you now, it will be), and the majority of their failure was fueled by their chosen politicians’ inability to keep mum about their racism. The rest of was, of course, their incompetence-fueled impotence.
But the party we are demanded (by their mouthpieces) to treat as serious today were then strutting around with swastika armbands, carrying hand grenades (in mother-fucking Sweden), and doing all other sorts of hard-core neo-nazism, and were treated like the neo-nazis they were (you can tell by the court documents regarding the top echelons of the party). But apparently putting on a suit makes them not neo-nazis.
Next time I will tell you about the “Iron pipe scandal.” (Claimed by participants and their supporters to be aluminium, whereas most others claim it was most likely zinced steel, and would the materials matter when we are talking about top echelon (in their party, mind you) politicians grabbing improvised weapons from a construction site to double back and fight a drunkard who was a pisser at them?)

So, I started talking about neo-nazis (again) and vomited out a wall of text (again) filled to the brim with pathos (again). I’d say I’m sorry, but I’m not convinced that I should feel any semblance of shame about it.
Though I can’t shake the feeling that I’ve forgotten some point I intended to make. Oh, well, we’ll do this again shortly.

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
3 years ago

@Feline
Thanks for the history lesson about Nazis in Sweden. I live in the USA, and this was new news to me.

Frank Mitchell
3 years ago

This is probably only the second post I’ve made here, and IIRC the last one, like this one, was a quibble about one sentence.

Needless to say, ethical journalists don’t generally send copies of their articles to the subjects of their articles before publishing them.

Is it unethical, though? I can see a reporter putting a draft of their article in front of the subject to make sure they aren’t misrepresenting statements, opinions, or basic facts. The reporter can still decide whether to change the article based on the critique or not.

The unethical part would be changing the article to be less accurate so that the subject looks good. Or, for that matter, taking the subject’s statements at face value with no independent fact checking, like the many “reports” that simply regurgitate a press release.

PeeVee the (Tired of the Militant Plasticfaced) Sarcastic
PeeVee the (Tired of the Militant Plasticfaced) Sarcastic
3 years ago

Hey, Boink x 5!!

*Waves* 😚

Jesalin
Jesalin
3 years ago

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Meow?

Scildfreja Unnyðnes
Scildfreja Unnyðnes
3 years ago

@Frank Mitchell, if your only reason for commenting is to quibble on details, well, I hope you aren’t expecting a great reception :p Come on in and say hello at the very least! Or at a minimum give us a “hello fellow kids” or something.

I will give you the benefit of the doubt! But it’s not a great thing to do to a community, is all. Anyways!

Hi, hello!

I disagree, a journalist shouldn’t share an advance copy of investigative work with the people involved. They can certainly contact those people to confirm details of the story, but sending advance copies for comment allows them to edit to make themselves look better. Changing verb tenses from active to passive or changing word choices to more general and less guilty.

Even if the journalist doesn’t let that happen, it still lets the person get ahead of the story, preparing statements, hiding evidence, or other nefarious stuff.

There’s no reason to give an advance copy to someone in a story in my opinion; nothing I can think of in my morning-addled mind at least. Ask questions to clarify points? Sure. Give them the actual article? Heck no.

Welcome, and stay awhile!

Victorious Parasol
Victorious Parasol
3 years ago

Even if the journalist doesn’t let that happen, it still lets the person get ahead of the story, preparing statements, hiding evidence, or other nefarious stuff.

QFT.

Cyberwulf
Cyberwulf
3 years ago

Dan Lyons is crying on twitter about how he’s not alt-right, he’s not, look at these totally not alt-right articles he wrote, all the while lying about apologising to Zoe and Amber.

Luzbelitx
3 years ago

Hi there! I’mhardly having time to write here, but reading as always. David I hope you get better soon!! Lots of hugs and kitties for you.

Is it unethical, though? I can see a reporter putting a draft of their article in front of the subject to make sure they aren’t misrepresenting statements, opinions, or basic facts.

Well, you might see it in your imagination, but that’s not an actual practice, and in fact at least where I do excercise journalism it’s severely frowned upon.

Also, we journalists don’t usually send advance copies of a newspiece to anyone not involved in the publication of said news, except maybe someone of our extreme trust (I do occasionally exchange pieces of work with my also journalist cousin for suggestions and polishing details).

Even when it’s a piece on someone who does activism with me (most of my material) the usual etiquette is to share with them the already publish news.

Now, regarding an investigation pieces, I would say it’s openly dishonest to send an advance copy to the subject in question. Verifying details and checking data is one thing, sharing your whole work is a very different one.

Katie's Elderly Neo-Hippie Resurgent Minion
Katie's Elderly Neo-Hippie Resurgent Minion
3 years ago

I’d think the only time a journalist would send out a piece on advance to the subject of such piece, is if s/he works for something like People magazine where access to celebrities is more important than what actually gets published, and it’s a feel-good piece. And I could even be wrong about them.

Heirloom Roses
Heirloom Roses
3 years ago

Steve is in his sixties and refers to Milo as “Dude” in his emails and he also thinks Milo can save civilization.
Just think about that for a moment.

Mike Smith
Mike Smith
3 years ago

I feel so much more contempt for Milo now that I know that he knows that the Night of Long Knives happened. Jesus you would think the self-preservation instinct would kick in…but no apparently.

Jarnsaxa
Jarnsaxa
3 years ago

Also, we journalists don’t usually send advance copies of a newspiece to anyone not involved in the publication of said news, except maybe someone of our extreme trust (I do occasionally exchange pieces of work with my also journalist cousin for suggestions and polishing details).

I did it about… three times in my time in journalism. Once when it was a highly emotionally sensitive issue with a victim (I had the victim read it); and twice or so for highly technical issues. The technical stuff I did warn them they were only allowed to *suggest* and that I may not take their suggestions into consideration. (And I didn’t, either.)

Generally reputable journalists do not do this, and if someone asks you to, the answer is no. If someone says “Or we won’t do the article,” the answer is “Oh, I see. I may have to seek alternative sources, then. Goodbye.”

dikdik
dikdik
3 years ago

@feline

I remember following that. I grew up in Oregon where there is a strong white supremacist core, so I’d try to keep my eyes on what was happening with that around the world. It has seen steady growth since the 90s and I think you’re right. It’s people’s unwillingness to either acknowledge it or treat it as abhorrent.

Remember when Laura Ingraham threw a Nazi salute at the RNC announcement of Trump? It was SUPER CLEAR and it was VERY CLEAR who it was targeting. But people refused to see it for that. They said it was an awkward wave. But the smirk on her face gives it away. Also the fact that the administration is rife with Nazis.

In the 90s I thought people were ignoring the rise of white supremacy because the signs weren’t clear enough for them. Now I see it doesn’t matter how clear the signs are. I don’t know the next step.

Jesalin
Jesalin
3 years ago

Admittedly it’s pretty difficult to see or hear any problems when your eyes are shut tight, your fingers are in your ears and you’re screaming ‘lalalalalala’ at the top of your lungs.

Markus
Markus
3 years ago

It’s both. They hate all feminists but they get the obsessive hate boners for the younger more conventionally attractive feminists. Like, they mostly ignore bell hooks but obsess about everything that Jessica Valenti does. Even though the former is far more influential in feminism

I would disagree. bell hooks (should I capitalize at the start of a sentence??) is ignored because she is currently keeping a low profile, while Jessica Valenti still has a regular column. Neither is woman is young, nor conventionally attractive, at least to manosphere crowd.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

Markus,

I just used those two names as an example. Was that your quibble or are you denying that there’s a sexual component to their hatred of certain feminists. Or for that matter, their misogyny in general?

Dimmy
Dimmy
3 years ago

I feel so much more contempt for Milo now that I know that he knows that the Night of Long Knives happened. Jesus you would think the self-preservation instinct would kick in…but no apparently.

I mean…the whole point of being Nazi/Neo-Nazi/alt-right/authoritarian/totalitarian/WHATEVER is believing that you, personally, are the walking incarnation of Real Ultimate Power. That you are Mr. Numero Uno Game-Player. Obviously nobody’s ever going to play you.

Markus
Markus
3 years ago

@weirwoodtreehugger

No, I think your basic premise has merit, but I disagree with that example. I don’t think many of those guys have a hate boner for Jessica Valenti.

I would speculate that much of the vitriol directed at Anita Sarkeesian is sexual in nature.

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
3 years ago

“at least to manosphere crowd”. Pretty sure that their actual standard aren’t that high, despite all their conversation about the wall and HB10

PeeVee the (Tired of the Militant Plasticfaced) Sarcastic
PeeVee the (Tired of the Militant Plasticfaced) Sarcastic
3 years ago

Markus:

No hate for Jessica Valenti?

http://fortune.com/2016/07/31/bestselling-feminist-author-jessica-valenti-quits-social-media-after-rape-and-death-threats-directed-at-daughter/

She is back on Twitter now, where she just posted screenshots of more harrassment she gets.

I think you’ll need to re-evaluate your “I don’t think many of those guys have a hate boner for Jessica Valenti.” stance.

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
3 years ago

I don’t think many of those guys have a hate boner for Jessica Valenti.

Wrong.

Neither is woman is young, nor conventionally attractive, at least to manosphere crowd.

Nobody cares about your boner.

(You can couch your boner notes in “I’m totally talking about them, not me, I swear” all you like, but I’m not falling for it.)

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
3 years ago

Neither is woman is young, nor conventionally attractive, at least to manosphere crowd.

Have you … seen a picture of Jessica Valenti?

Imaginary Petal
Imaginary Petal
3 years ago

@Markus

You dumbass. In what universe is Jessica Valenti not conventionally attractive enough for the average MRA rage boner? Paul Elam posted a video of him and his drunken buddies obsessively chanting about how much they don’t want a blowjob from her. (EDIT: The vid ninjalinked by SFHC.) Sounds to me like sexual fantasies about Valenti are pretty common among that bunch.

Also you don’t need to “speculate” over plainly obvious things.

Markus
Markus
3 years ago

@PeeVee

These rape threats against her and her young daughter by these assholes are abhorrent.

However, I don’t believe this means that they honestly want to fuck her and her five-year-old daughter.

@SFHC

LOL, well I care about my boner, but that’s neither here nor there.

Most of theses manosphere guys are in their twenties, and Jessica Valenti is old to them. Perhaps the older ones like Elam have a boner for her.

Imaginary Petal
Imaginary Petal
3 years ago

 I don’t believe this means that they honestly want to fuck her and her five-year-old daughter.

I see you are not familiar with the Men’s Rights Movement.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
3 years ago

However, I don’t believe this means that they honestly want to fuck her and her five-year-old daughter.

Your beliefs are not relevant to reality. When someone sends a rape threat, that is sexual by definition. I guarantee some of these dudes have elaborate rape fantasies about Jessica Valenti and possibly also her young daughter. In what world do you find pedophilia outside the realm of the possible?

Most of theses manosphere guys are in their twenties, and Jessica Valenti is old to them.

To echo SFHC, nobody wants your boner update.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

I’d also dispute the whole thing about bell hooks keeping a low profile. Just last year she made some headlines with her criticism of Beyonce’s Lemonade

http://www.papermag.com/beyonce-bell-hooks-lemonade-1789047140.html

The whole thing turned into a bit of drama in online feminist spaces and angered the Beyhive but despite the fact that hook’s intersectionalist critique is not only the kind of critique that the manosphere/Nazis hate but hook’s work informs a lot of the intersectionalism you see in contemporary feminism, they ignored the dust up. But hooks is not an interesting target for them. Yes, partially because she doesn’t have as much of a social media as younger feminists. But a big part of it is that she’s out of the age range of their sexual interest and the wrong color for their sexual interest. Thus the lack of rape fantasies and threats towards her* and the lack of attempts to neg her with threats that she’ll miss out on their golden Aryan sperm and die a spinster. What’s the point of writing about bell hooks if they aren’t upset that she doesn’t want them?

I also don’t think that manospherians/Nazis actually are only attracted to women under 25. I think they just say that because they want women to feel insecure about getting old and ugly and sleep with them or marry them out of fear and desperation.

kupo
kupo
3 years ago

well I care about my boner, but that’s neither here nor there

Then stop bringing it the fuck up.

Markus
Markus
3 years ago

@IP

In no way am I defending rape threats.
But do you honestly believe these guys want to have sex with a kindergartener?

Markus
Markus
3 years ago

@kupo

??
I never brought it up.

kupo
kupo
3 years ago

In no way am I defending rape threats.

Yes, you are.

But do you honestly believe these guys want to have sex with a kindergartener?

1) rape is not sex.
2) do you honestly believe there aren’t people who rape children?
3) is threatening to do so somehow not abhorrent in and of itself?

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
3 years ago

But do you honestly believe these guys want to have sex with a kindergartener?

I would really love to live on your planet where pedophilia is not a thing.

PeeVee the (Tired of the Militant Plasticfaced) Sarcastic
PeeVee the (Tired of the Militant Plasticfaced) Sarcastic
3 years ago

Do not deflect, Markus.

This is not about whether or not you think they’re serious about raping her 5 year old daughter.

This is about them feeling personally entitled to make those kinds of threats in the first place.

Everyone else:

The name “Markus”? Anyone else getting an uncomfortable flashback with that name?

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
3 years ago

But do you honestly believe these guys want to have sex with a kindergartener?

They’re MRAs. So… Duh.

Markus
Markus
3 years ago

When someone sends a rape threat, that is sexual by definition. I guarantee some of these dudes have elaborate rape fantasies about Jessica.

But rape is more about power over the victim than about sexual gratification.

These same dudes threaten to rape Lindy West. I think most people can agree she is not “conventionally attractive”. She admits this herself.

This is similar to the old trope about homophobes being closeted homosexuals.