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The 5 Nazi-est moments from Buzzfeed’s exposé of the Milo/Breitbart alt-right sausage factory

Milo Yiannopoulos: Actually worse than you already thought

By David Futrelle

So you all need to drop whatever you’re doing to read Buzzfeed’s amazing exposé of Breitbart’s use of conscienceless troll journalist Milo Yiannopoulos to push white supremacism into the American political mainstream (again).

Basing his reporting in part on a vast trove of leaked Milo emails, Buzzfeed reporter Joseph Bernstein is able to offer a somewhat gruesome behind-the scenes look at the symbiotic relationship between Milo and Breitbart’s Steve Bannon during the crucial months leading up to Trump’s electoral college victory.

If you thought the end product of the Milo/Breitbart collaboration was disgusting, well, it turns out that the sausage factory that produced it was even more disgusting. And lousy with Nazis to boot.

Again, you need to read the whole piece. But in the meantime, let me whet your appetite a little with what I’d like to call the 5 Nazi-est moments from Buzzfeed’s exposé of the Milo/Breitbart alt-right sausage factory.

Let’s start with:

Milo serenading a gaggle of sieg-heiling Nazis at a Dallas karaoke bar.

Roll the video;

According to Buzfeed, Milo later told them that his “his ‘severe myopia’ made it impossible for him to see the Hitler salutes a few feet away.”

Milo using Nazi references for his not-very-secure passwords.

As Buzzfeed explains:

In an April 6 email, Allum Bokhari mentioned having had access to an account of Yiannopoulos’s with “a password that began with the word Kristall.” Kristallnacht, an infamous 1938 riot against German Jews carried out by the SA — the paramilitary organization that helped Hitler rise to power — is sometimes considered the beginning of the Holocaust. In a June 2016 email to an assistant, Yiannopoulos shared the password to his email, which began “LongKnives1290.” The Night of the Long Knives was the Nazi purge of the leadership of the SA. The purge famously included Ernst Röhm, the SA’s gay leader. 1290 is the year King Edward I expelled the Jews from England.

Milo’s editors repeatedly having to remove horrible anti-Semitic jokes from his articles because they didn’t want to be quite that obvious about what they were pushing

Frequently, Alex Marlow’s job editing him came down to rejecting anti-Semitic and racist ideas and jokes. …

Editing a September 2016 Yiannopoulos speech, Marlow approved a joke about “shekels” but added that “you can’t even flirt with OKing gas chamber tweets,” asking for such a line to be removed. 

Milo sending “his” now-notorious guide to the alt-right to several prominent alt-rightists for approval before publishing it

Needless to say, ethical journalists don’t generally send copies of their articles to the subjects of their articles before publishing them.

Interesting sidenote: Though Milo’s underling Allum Bokhari basically wrote the whole article, Buzzfeed reports, Milo wanted his name alone on it, telling his editor in an email that “I want the glory here.” Bokhari, wanting some credit for the article he’d written, appealed to Milo’s Machiavellian instincts by suggesting that “it actually lowers the risk if someone with a brown-sounding name shares the BL.” (Bokhari is half-Pakistani.) Ultimately, the article was credited to both of them, with Milo;s name listed first.

Milo has collaborators, just like the Nazis did!

Despite his obvious odiousness and his many ties to white supremacists and literal Nazis, Milo managed to win himself a number of liberal allies on the down low. As Buzzfeed notes:

Yiannopoulos had hidden helpers in the liberal media against which he and Bannon fought so uncompromisingly. A long-running email group devoted to mocking stories about the social justice internet included, predictably, Yiannopoulos’s friend Ann Coulter, but also Mitchell Sunderland, a senior staff writer at Broadly, Vice’s women’s channel. …

“Please mock this fat feminist,” Sunderland wrote to Yiannopoulos in May 2016, along with a link to an article by the New York Times columnist Lindy West, who frequently writes about fat acceptance. …

Dan Lyons, the veteran tech reporter … emailed Yiannopoulos (“you little troublemaker”) periodically to wonder about the birth sex of Zoë Quinn, another GamerGate target, and Amber Discko, the founder of the feminist website Femsplain, and to suggest a story about the public treatment of the venture capitalist Joe Lonsdale, who had been accused of sexual assault in a lawsuit that the plaintiff eventually dropped.

Lovely.

And these little details are merely the tip of the Nazi iceberg. You’ve got to read the whole thing.

UNRELATED HEALTH NOTE: Sorry I haven’t been able to resume regular posts just yet. I appreciate your patience and support and will get back to regular posting as soon as I can, but I don’t know if that will be a matter of days or longer. Thanks again, everyone!

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Tashilicious
Tashilicious
3 years ago

They did not just go away in the 90s. They remained and became emboldened by being ignored and grew to what we see today.

kupo
kupo
3 years ago

They did not just go away in the 90s. They remained and became emboldened by being ignored and grew to what we see today.

^^^^^THIS

History Nerd
History Nerd
3 years ago

A good policy is to just argue with people. It doesn’t really matter if the person doesn’t change his or her mind (which is extremely rare for bigoted adults anyway). It sends a message to the troll that you won’t allow trolls to bully or manipulate you or other people. As people pointed out already, most people who visit a blog, subreddit, or forum are lurkers. There’s a significant psychological impact if it’s clear that people speak out against racists and fascists.

Rhuu - apparently an illiterati
Rhuu - apparently an illiterati
3 years ago

Awwww what’s wrong with shoulderpads??

http://www.harkavagrant.com/nonsense/powersuitsm.png

😉

Oops no website/artist name. That’s Hark! A vagrant by national treasure Kate Beaton.

Source: http://www.harkavagrant.com/?id=297

Tashilicious
Tashilicious
3 years ago

Kate Beaton is a national goddamn treasure

PeeVee the (Tired of the Militant Plasticfaced) Sarcastic
PeeVee the (Tired of the Militant Plasticfaced) Sarcastic
3 years ago

Love Kate Beaton. Knew immediately that it was her work. 😊

Still Fiqah
Still Fiqah
3 years ago

Everybody is of course allowed to engage anybody else – within whatever policy parameters – for as long and as passionately as they’d like to. I get it. Everybody’s limits are different. For me a day-long comments record scratch on child rape for the sake of not allowing a garbage-ass monster person’s garbage-ass opinions have the final word would be e̶x̶c̶r̶u̶c̶i̶a̶t̶i̶n̶g̶ a lot. That’s just me.

Mish of the Catlady Ascendancy
Mish of the Catlady Ascendancy
3 years ago

@Fiqah, you ok?

Tashilicious
Tashilicious
3 years ago

No one is saying that every individual should take up arms to fight against it. Just like how no one is saying every individual should go with Antifa on the front lines.

What we are saying is that the plattitude of “Don’t feed the trolls” is a trash general rule.
*YOU* can chose to not engage because it affects you directly, and emotionally. What we are saying is don’t tell people who do chose to do it that they are wrong and to stop. Because they are not, and they should not.

Still Fiqah
Still Fiqah
3 years ago

@Mish: I’m fine. Volunteer peer counselor for adult survivors of childhood sexual abuse. I’ve been trained to spot invisible cultural enablers, so I see “fucked up” where many do not. I should’ve made that clear immediately.

Steph
Steph
3 years ago

Well it’s weird how the more of s reaction there is to Milo the bigger he gets. I long for the day when it was Milwho?

Now he just seems to thrive on the attention and get offered speaking gigs, book deals as a result. He basically had to show himself to be a paedophile before the attention he got reduced…somewhat.

Steph
Steph
3 years ago

@Schildfreid

Oh yes! That’s what I mean – less completely ignoring them – but the outrage /firestorms /attention is what Narcisissts like Milo crave.

I don’t see why he is treated as anything more than the immature and childish troll that he is.

A. Noyd
A. Noyd
3 years ago

Steph says:

I don’t see why he is treated as anything more than the immature and childish troll that he is.

Maybe he’s a canary. The coal mine sort. Like, he’s getting backing and being given exposure not for the value of his own vile antics, but as a way for the more covert fascists to measure where society’s current tolerances are for fascism and at what point the attention given someone as obvious as he is turns into a drawback.

In which case, consider the message it sends to those holding his cage if liberals would rather dismiss him as nothing more than a clown than confront or oppose him.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
3 years ago

The Nazi scumbags (tautology?) have been at it again. As far as I can tell this is magistrates warrant. So in effect it’s the Nazis themselves who’ve initiated this; like how you start a private prosecution. So just harassment basically.

Comments policy inhibits further comment.

Anyway, you can see for yourselves. Warning ⚠ Picture of actual victim in article.

http://www.wcpo.com/news/national/charlottesville-police-charge-black-victim-of-parking-garage-beating

dreemr
dreemr
3 years ago

Just a note on something @Ohlmann said

I would also add, debating with someone who is really better than you at rhetoric or discourse can backfire

I have never, ever encountered a troll (or online shit-slinger, whatever we’re calling them) that was competent at debating.

Replying sensibly has always resulted in them devolving almost immediately into name-calling, shifting the goalposts, etc. That, as much as anything, shows the unseen audience just how shaky the troll’s position really is.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

Yep, they’re all bravado. They confidently treat their assertions as facts. When we treat those assertions with contempt or demolish their opinions, the whole facade crumbles fast.

But an authoritative sounding assfact can easily trick people. So it’s important to not let it stand when it’s something harmful.

Tashilicious
Tashilicious
3 years ago

Personally, I am a fan of watching them melt-down into raging histrionics about how everyone but them are special snowflakes seeking special exemptions and how we all need thicker skin while literally sputtering about how oppressing it is to call them Nazis.

Shadowplay
Shadowplay
3 years ago

Love watching them be demolished, though I’m torn on which method I prefer – the flat out FU snark, the bombarding with actual facts, or the “let them dig their own hole deeper” approach. All are equally elegantly done here.

Gussie Jives
Gussie Jives
3 years ago

I followed some of the Twitter discussion on this (in my opinion) critical Buzzfeed article over the Canadian Thanksgiving long weekend and one of the best analyses came from Katherine Cross in The Establishment:

https://theestablishment.co/we-warned-you-about-milo-and-youre-still-not-listening-947dad4a8400

Not sure if this article’s been linked elsewhere in the thread, but if it hasn’t been, I highly recommend reading Cross’s take because she underlines two important ideas that are key to understanding the dynamics of the “opposition” for lack of a better word:

1) Those willing to exploit hatred do not understand the forces they’re dealing with.

Cross’s multiple paragraphs devoted to Cathy Young just underscores a notion that Driftglass articulated very artfully all the way back in 2005.

I see the 4channers and GGers and their Neo-Nazi ilk as a 21st Century Little Red State Fundy. But rather than stuffing envelopes to send to judges about abortion, they’re circulating Pepe memes about gas chambers and quote-unquote “ironic” Nazism in an attempt to mainstream their hate. Having mobilized with GamerGate, they were ripe for exploiting by the likes of Milo and Bannon and the Mercers. And it’s all fun and games at first: those adorable little basement-dwellers feeding you stories and even writing them for you, all the while you go on your little tour and get your ego boosted by resentful losers. The only victims are those blue-haired feminists and trans people, which you don’t care about anyway. Even when your buddies start sporting 1488 Twitter handles, there’s still enough plausible deniability to cover your ass with. You got a book deal and a national spotlight and more appearances to follow.

But then their Troll-King gets elected President. Now it’s not so much fun any more. Now the 1488 crowd are serious about their ethno-state desires and see it in arm’s reach. Now all those people that were so fun to mock are turning out on the streets in record numbers and showing up at town halls because you’ve put their lives in danger. Now all those stories about how SJWs control everything get a little harder to maintain. Then you have the new Little Red State Fundies angry at you, not for being wrong, but for making them look bad. And a video clip of you supporting pedophilia looks particularly bad. Then you’re a liability to everyone’s goals and they’re cutting you loose. Because there’s truer believers out there without your baggage.

And then when you have a dead woman’s body on your doorstep… that’s a really bad look.

What I found more appalling was that ostensibly “liberal” journalists were willing to feed Milo gristle for his mill in the form of society’s most vulnerable. Which brings me to takeaway number two.

2) No matter how polished somebody’s politics may be, the willingness to exploit privilege is present in all of us, and if their desire is somebody’s hide, they’ll do it.

That the Harvey Weinstein story blew up now couldn’t have been more illustrative of the disconnect between privilege and politics. You can support all the left-leaning causes you want, appear with the right people, fund the right organizations, but if there’s somebody you want to possess or feel is too “uppity,” you’ve got the power to ruin them, or you know somebody who does. Mitchell Sunderland used Milo to “get” Lindy West. David Auerbach fed Milo stories about people he thought were worth siccing a mob on. Or as Cross writes:

In the words of critic Noah Berlatsky, “open Nazism is not very popular. But the idea that feminists, trans women, black women, need to be put in their place is very popular.”

And that’s where they found a connection. That’s where they found kinship. That’s how Little Red State Pepe gets its poison from 4chan to the mainstream. “You people are getting in our way with your loudness, so we need to teach you a lesson.” This is the thread that ties Cathy Young to the GamerGate young and keeps them working in concert.

I think this is a watershed moment in the public consciousness and we can keep it there, maybe more journalists can be pressured to see the alt-right as they really are.

dreemr
dreemr
3 years ago

As for tactics, I do use @ScildFreja as my guide many times. I try not to go STRAIGHT for mockery, and I refrain from calling names (usually!) or being condescending. I try to simply state the facts in a friendly manner, and to call them by their name.

Now, if/when that fails, I do sometimes go in for a “Bye Felicia”-style mock but many times I don’t have to, as they’ve already dissolved into a sputtering, raging mess by then.

Dimmy
Dimmy
3 years ago

@Gussie Jives:

1) Those willing to exploit hatred do not understand the forces they’re dealing with.

Sorry, but I have to disagree here. If you’re alive after World War II — and particularly after that one scene from Cabaret in the beer-garden — then you understand exactly what kind of force Nazis are. You don’t get in bed with that unless you intend to get some of it on you. There are no doe-eyed innocents here.

You’re making excuses for people like Milo. Stop it.

dreemr
dreemr
3 years ago

Oh, and in case you missed it, it looks like GarbleGorp 2.0 is struggling to rise from the grisly ashes of its former “glory”.

Oh mercy, the sad dregs of GarbleGorp are trying to force a sequel pic.twitter.com/rbZg8Jh6Em— Dan 🎃lson (@FoldableHuman) October 9, 2017

Shadowplay
Shadowplay
3 years ago

@dreemr

Didn’t they already try resurrecting it once with metalgate?

(and yeah, @ScildFreja is one of the best – and the person who gave me my welcome package! I do think PI is the most devastating anti-troll though, when they’re on a roll)

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
3 years ago

@Dimmy : you’re partly right, but I think they aren’t truly aware what the WW2 is.

I mean, I think Milo don’t truly understand the grizzly fate that await him if nazis win. He have all element to understand it, but he don’t realize.

I do agree that it don’t excuse any part of his behavior. I tend to call that “terminal stupidity” when people do things who are against their interests, who that they have every reasons to think they are against their interest, but they still do it.

dreemr
dreemr
3 years ago

@ShadowPlay

We have incredibly amazing Troll Vanquishers here.

I mean, I use @ScildFreja as my guide but @ImaginaryPetal, @weirwoodtreehugger, @Policy of Madness, @PeeVee, @Axecalibur, @Mish @Dalilama, and @weird eddie (and probably others I can’t think of off the top of my head) have ALL influenced me with their skills.

Gussie Jives
Gussie Jives
3 years ago

@Dimmy

Ohlmann has the thrust of what I’m getting at. You’re right, they know at they’re dealing with straight-up Neo-Nazis, but my point is that they’re under some misguided apprehension that they’re the ones in control, able to gin up outrage for votes and campaign dollars when necessary, but then tuck them back under the carpet when it’s time to look good for the cameras. Karl Rove actually told a reporter once that he calls the religious fundamentalist base of the GOP (forgive the ableist slur) “the crazies” in casual conversation. That’s how little regard the Republicans has for the people that put them in power. The same game (and they see it as a game) is being played with the Neo-Nazis: gin up outrage about SJWs by leaning heavily on racism and sexism, then turn around and say you’re just a Classical Liberal in favour of the “open marketplace of ideas”, by the way, buy tickets to my next speaking gig and support me on Patreon. It doesn’t work out that way, as Driftglass’ Little Red State Fundy parable reflects.

I’m not offering excuses by any stretch: they knew who they were networking with. Like Karl Rove, Milo Y and his network of informants deserve to be fired and never let into polite society again for the forces they’ve willingly cozied up to. I want this to stick to them and follow their careers forever. At the same time, Auerbach and Sunderland were clearly able to justify their actions to themselves, and I think understanding that mentality is important in countering it effectively. Because as others said in this thread: they’re far from the only ones willing to buddy up to the worst of humanity when it’s convenient.

Jenora Feuer
Jenora Feuer
3 years ago

@Feline, going back a few days:

But it recapitulates the early nineties in a way that bothers me, because the party that spearheaded that upsurge of racism was “New Democracy” (and if that name isn’t a red flag to you now, it will be),

The New Democratic Party of Canada, which dates back to the 1960s under that name (and back to the 1930s as the CCF), thumb their noses at these usurpers of the name.

(The NDP are social democrats, heavy into union support, and still one of the three major parties in Canada.)

Diego Duarte
Diego Duarte
3 years ago

I hope David is doing well.

On a related note, have you seen the recent outcries against Wolfenstein II as being too political because *GASP* you’re encouraged to kill Nazis?! The reaction of outraged “Not-Nazi-White-Boys” on Reddit are absolutely delicious.

Gussie Jives
Gussie Jives
3 years ago

@Dimmy

As a caveat, I’ll add that to the extent that they care about control, it’s insofar as it doesn’t disrupt their own respectability. If the Pepe brigade is running amok with harassment and threats to the “SJWs”, they don’t really care about controlling them. But once they start being seen in public marching with Kekistan flags, then they become a liability and you’ll see the so-called “moderates” issuing their denials as Cathy Young did.

Scildfreja Unnyðnes
Scildfreja Unnyðnes
3 years ago

Awh, you guyse <3 My troll vanquishing attempts usually end up with me looking pedantic while the troll is saying horrible things that i should be addressing directly. You're makin' me better, not the other way around!

I have learned to keep in mind that every valid argument I make can somewhat elevate the statement I am confronting, so I’m more selective in the trolls I engage with now. Not sure if that’s right or not.

The coalition between the pepes/channers and the nazis is complicated. Far as I know it was basically an infiltration of the troll brigades by white supremacists, who considered them a useful recruiting ground and social media tool – and they were right. Took the trolls’ desire to break social norms and just pushed them towards fascist ideas, and it took off. Now they’re the Nazi Auxillia, to be used as a screen and sacrificed for the cause. So, yeah, just the advance wing of the garbage brigade.

Overly Long Name
Overly Long Name
3 years ago

Welp, I’m a little confused by this thread, because I thought it was Markus then it was Fred, but I’m still not done, so I’ll keep going, also hi Scildfreja, you are cool, and I’m glad to be posting in the same thread as you.

History Nerd
History Nerd
3 years ago

@Alan

A number of conservative states have adopted “Tea Party” legislative proposals that more or less allow private criminal indictment. The Nazis just had to appear before a magistrate and show that they have probable cause for an arrest.

A lot of the Tea Party legislation looks like it was written by some radical militia group filled with “freeman on the land” types.

opposablethumbs
opposablethumbs
3 years ago

Maybe a promising way of dealing with the anti-choice brigade?

The asbo – AntiSocial Behaviour Order

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/oct/10/anti-abortion-abuse-women-asbo-ealing-nhs-protests

Since then, ideas have been percolating on how to deal with this threat to women’s wellbeing. This week, a motion comes before Ealing council that would extend asbo powers – usually reserved to move on street drinkers and drug dealers – to stop these protests.

(my italics)
Sounds very appropriate to me.

dreemr
dreemr
3 years ago

I don’t remember if it’s been mentioned yet, but this Weinstein sexual assault story is sickening.

And Donna Karan totally threw women under the bus when supporting him. Essentially saying, with the way women dress what do they expect?

I read some of the allegations as reported by the NYT and they are terrifying.

ETA: OOPS looks like David just posted about this – CARRY ON EVERYONE sorry about that!

Shadowplay
Shadowplay
3 years ago
PeeVee the (Perpetually Ignored, Invisible but Noice) Sarcastic
PeeVee the (Perpetually Ignored, Invisible but Noice) Sarcastic
3 years ago

Dreemr,

Thanks! 😘

(Include yourself. You’re awesome, as the rest are!)

As an aside, I helped myself to the welcome package, as nobody extended it to me; I’m pretty used to going after what I want, lolol.

kupo
kupo
3 years ago

I do agree that it don’t excuse any part of his behavior. I tend to call that “terminal stupidity” when people do things who are against their interests, who that they have every reasons to think they are against their interest, but they still do it.

I don’t think it’s stupidity as much as exploiting people to gain power, but in a reckless, self-destructive manner. Not all that uncommon, really.

Dalillama: Irate Social Engineer

@History Nerd

A lot of the Tea Party legislation looks like it was written by some radical militia group filled with “freeman on the land” types.

Um… that’s what the Tea Party is.

Feline
Feline
3 years ago

@Jenora Feuer:

The New Democratic Party of Canada, which dates back to the 1960s under that name (and back to the 1930s as the CCF), thumb their noses at these usurpers of the name.

Granted. But I was talking about more modern issues. Which I did not make clear, so it’s my bad.
I was talking about how modern neo-nazis and their fellow travelers wrap themselves in political terms that are not theirs as though they were magical incantations. And since we’re seeing an increase in the number of numbnuts claiming that the nazis were socialists, it seems to work with the base.

@Scildfreja:

Awh, you guyse <3 My troll vanquishing attempts usually end up with me looking pedantic while the troll is saying horrible things that i should be addressing directly. You're makin' me better, not the other way around!

Look, you’re doing it awesomely. Period.
However, were you alone you’d be done for. It really needs people doing all things. Treating their arguments as real and shooting them down? Good. People mocking their arguments because they’re born of bullshit? Good. People savaging them because they’re obviously arguing in bad faith? Good. And so on. Having a number of people attacking them from several different angles is important, because they’re bad-faith actors, so we can’t meet them one-on-one in good faith and expect to emerge victorious (for any measure of victory).
“Dog-piling” they whine, doggedly, and they hurl “echo-chamber” as though it’d stick to people who’d be fairly described as an indistinguishable pile of fur and gnashing teeth.

Although a thing I keep wondering about, since there’s a lot of people claiming to be leftists and also having issues with this brand spanking new notion of “call-out culture”, there’s that age-old question: “Are you new here?”
I mean, I grew up with a left more splintered than the christian church, and they were like a family. Vicious like a bag full of weasels, parts of it not talking to others, that whole thing. Denunciations were hardly rare, is what I’m saying. But these days we have to get in line behind some early thirties white boy uncomfortable with minorities?
Get in line behind how the democratic party took power, eh?
Nah, this pale ass can get behind people who’re rude to me, it was never about my feelings, was it?

Grumpy Old Besom
Grumpy Old Besom
3 years ago

May I put forth a theory I just developed?

Milo thought he was one of them, but he never was. He was being used by them – a gay man of Jewish heritage openly in a relationship with a black man? You want to find a way to make identity politics work your (white supremacist) way, finding somebody who fits that description to state, over and over again, that the real reason they’re being oppressed is because they’re a white man and the real oppressors are feminists and leftists… That, right there, is a masterstroke of using identity politics to work for them while screaming against identity politics all along, of course.

Once they’d got the conversation mainstream and accepted (Trump is president, Bannon still has so much power, Nazis are marching in the street, so that’s very, very mainstream), what more use do they have for a gay man of Jewish heritage who is dating/married to a black man? Just because he was silly enough to think he was one of them? What do they need him for anymore? They’ve got what they wanted from him. You can be a white supremacist without disclaimers now. Milo was their disclaimer, and they don’t need one anymore.

So who’s surprised that the ones who orchestrated the entire thing, who organized this into a movement funnelled through Breitbart and similar, are dropping him like a hot brick? Or that all of these videos and emails are coming out now? I don’t believe all these leaks and the timing of them are coincidental at all.

He was never one of them, because he’s what Nazis hate, no matter how much he helps the Nazis, and no matter how much he believes he’s one of them without exactly calling himself a Nazi. Look how he slowly went from Bannon’s best boy to having to go through other people to get a message to Bannon!

None of this is to say that Milo is a poor misguided boy. He’s not, he’s a hateful bigot. But he’s a hateful bigot who made a serious error in judgment, as he seems to be discovering in the last few months.

Unless I’m completely wrong and they start backing him again, of course, because they find a use for him again.

(None of this is to try to excuse him. At all. He deserves none. He acted knowing very well what he was doing. It’s me trying to figure out why the alt-right poster boy is not quite the poster boy anymore, and what that means for how far the alt-right has reached towards their final goal of total white supremacy.)

History Nerd
History Nerd
3 years ago

@Scildfreja

There was “ironic” racism on 4chan back in 2003-2005, including using racial slurs as general insults for people who aren’t necessarily members of the racial group. A number of people archived Stormfront over the years, and users on Stormfront were aware of the “ironic” racism on 4chan and discussed the possibility of using 4chan as a recruiting tool, but didn’t at first for several reasons. The older white nationalists felt like they couldn’t work with people who called each other f-words (the homophobic slur, because the older white nationalists were extremely averse to gay people), or people who posted porn photos depicting mixed-race couples.

As people became more aware of cyber-bullying, they started to seriously advocate putting more legal restrictions on what people could get away with. Congress amended the federal anti-stalking law in 2006 with language that could theoretically mean it’s a federal felony to write posts with the intention to make someone annoyed or upset if the conduct is severe enough. There was more coverage of trolls bullying people online until the targets killed themselves, there were some high-profile arrests of 4chan users including the Sarah Palin email hacking case and the “Operation Payback” retaliatory attacks against anti-piracy groups and financial institutions that refused to process payments for WikiLeaks. To some degree, all that further radicalized a lot of 4chan users against the US federal government. At that point, a younger generation of white nationalists came in and started “converting” people to extremist authoritarian right-wing nationalism, then you had GamerGate and Milo, etc.

If you talked to 4chan users in 2010, they would describe themselves as probably radical individualist anarchists who are left-wing or center-left in some capacity. What’s important is that they were always very radically anti-government and anti-establishment, but they weren’t social anarchists with a concentration on the oppression of marginalized groups (the point isn’t really who counts as an “anarchist”). The self-interest aspect probably made it a lot easier to recruit them into far-right nationalism. If you look at channers who still claim to be anarchists or anarcho-communists in some way, they’re a lot more into Max Stirner than Mikhail Bakunin or Emma Goldman. Lots of channers also believed in Illuminati conspiracy theories already, so it wasn’t so hard to go from that to believing “teh j00z” were behind everything.

THE_SAMURAI
THE_SAMURAI
3 years ago

@Tashilicious

I want to %100 agree with you.

I’d also like to add that if you’re black, or any other minority, you know racism didn’t die, it became more covert. Now, we ignored it, and it’s full force in your face.

Trust me I know. Try having an old woman at Six Flags call you and your group of black friends the n word. ( I was 13)

Old Bat.

Racism never left. We’ve been so desperately trying to tell people that.

(Insert Rascism doesn’t exist quote here)

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