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Reddit incels celebrate deaths of “normies” in Las Vegas mass shooting

Will incels embrace Stephen Paddock as the next “Saint Elliot” Rodger?

By David Futrelle

In the wake of every mass shooting, we hear the inevitable cries from NRA types not to “politicize” the tragedy by pointing out the obvious fact that stricter gun laws would make such tragedies less likely in the future. We watch the trolls and shitlords of the alt-right flood the internet with disinformation and conspiracy theories. These reactions are now as predictable as the reappearance of the sun on the horizon every morning.

The internet’s incels — the bitter fringe-dwellers who consider their “involuntary celibacy” to be a crime against their humanity — have their own predictable responses to such tragedies: they mock the victims as “normies” deserving death — and try as best as they can to adopt the latest mass killer as one of their own.

In the case of last night’s horrific mass shooting in Las Vegas — a massacre that at last count left 59 dead and more than 500 injured — Reddit’s incels did not disappoint on this front. In a number of different threads devoted to the murders, regulars on the Incels subreddit celebrated the death of “normies” and “chads” and even tried to claim that mass killer Stephen Paddock — a man with a girlfriend, and thus decidedly not an incel — was “a depressed and delusional former Chad turned to oldcel.”

For many in the subreddit, the news of the mass shooting was something of an inspiration. In a thread offering faux condolences for the dozens of “normies [who] just got fragged in Las Vegas,” several commenters had similar ideas:

wandercampEmbracing the sublime terror of incel existance 2 points an hour ago PURE LIFEFUEL

acenoskIncel Fundamentalist 10 points 8 hours ago Life fuel :)

Those calling for basic human decency got an earful from their fellow incels.

lonelyrommel1998 32 points 3 hours ago RIP . Please my brothers, be civil during this time of tragedy. I know you guys hate anyone that isnt you, but they are human beings nonetheless permalinkembedsavegive gold [–]novalueinvictimhoodhttps://goo.gl/2yvNyj 2 points 44 minutes ago they are human beings So? Being a modern human being is the greatest crime you can commit. permalinkembedsaveparentgive gold [–]wandercampEmbracing the sublime terror of incel existance -3 points an hour ago Fuck off normie I fapped to that video permalinkembedsaveparentgive gold [–]fuck-women-everyday23 KV Approachcel Hopecel Knowledgecel -2 points an hour ago Las Vegas is normie heaven. People go there for drinks, socializing, one night stands, and gambling. Incels will never experience that.

In another thread, Reddit’s incels lashed out at the “normies” expressing sympathy for the victims on social media — and at the alleged “degeneracy” of Las Vegas.

BlackPill4831yo bald manlet escortcel 卐 'Self improvement is masturbation' 10 points 3 hours ago I hate all this 'competitive grief' on social media. They don't give a fuck about the homeless, jobless and sexless. permalinkembedsavegive gold [–]Bojack101 6 points 3 hours ago The degenerate las vegas city deserved it

BlackPillRevolutionWeAreRevolting | Copernicus | ?NormiesCanAllBurn?| Hate 5 points 3 hours ago All virtue-signalling and posting it all over instawhore or fakebook to show how much they "care" just to fit in the rest of the conformitard sheep who do the same thing permalinkembedsavegive gold [–]touchbutt2Women can't be lonely. women can't be depressed. can't be incel 4 points 4 hours ago Exactly. they can call us evil all they want but at least we are honest. The entire degenrate city of las vegas and everyone in it could die and it wouldn't affect my day in any way

The subreddit’s regulars found it much easier to identify with the shooter.

NutNotBusted 9 points 3 hours ago Mass shooters have very similar life experiences to incels. They felt anger, alienation and bullying on their skin. I agree with you. In two weeks the victims, boring normies, will be forgotten, the perpetrator will be studied by armies of psychologists and journalists for decades at least..

ItheItheVOLCEL/ANTI-DEGENERACY | ON YOUR SIDE 15 points 4 hours ago* Mass shooters and some serial killers are so incredibly interesting to many of us, mostly because we can relate to their despondent rage more than anyone can. And I agree. Someone who spends years and years being pushed to the edge is more of a victim than someone who enjoyed years of hedonistic debauchery only to have it cut short.

Still, it’s unlikely that Paddock, a 64-year-old retiree who apparently lived with a girlfriend, will be embraced by incels as another Elliot Rodger, the incel mass murderer celebrated as a “saint” and “supreme gentleman” by this despicable crowd. But that didn’t stop some from trying to posthumously recruit Paddock to inceldom, none more ingeniously than this fellow.

NutNotBusted 7 points 3 hours ago Yep exactly. But this time it seems it was a depressed and delusional former Chad turned to oldcel.

It’s a bit of a reach, given that pretty much the only things we seem to know for sure about Paddock is that he was neither a former Chad nor an incel. I guess the Incels subreddit regulars are a little hard up for, er, “heroes” these days.

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weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

Hahahahaha! I’m watching last night’s American Horror Story and they showed the villain (and Trump fan) reading a red pill website.

Brony, Social Justice Cenobite

@Skeptic
Just in case you are one of the confused social enablers out there in the milieu here I have an explanation for things here that I hope helps. Banning you matters (and that’s up to David and any people that he chooses to be persuaded by in what is their social space here at WHTM) and here is why.

You have a fundamental problem here. This is about what actually happens and what is required to fix the problem (lets use social behavior that leads to things like neglect of rape kits by governmental authorities). The people here are concerned with language that actually fixes the problem in it’s real-world manifestations. So any negative feelings you might have are secondary to the features of the problem and what is required to fix it.

This is literally a numbers issue and a social exposure issue (you are mucking with that last bit by filling the social space with criticism of victims, putting social pressure on people already under social pressure, and uplifting people who are at the very least adding to the culture that makes taking rape seriously hard). If one wants to change how society acts and believes one has to put pressure on their social space. So I and others basically think about what a rapist needs in social spaces in order to keep on raping and I deny them that. In this case this community will eventually put pressure on the social dynamics that lead to neglected and abandoned rape kits. Instead of relentless criticism for people that only seem to care for the social forces that enable rapists we need focus on rapists and how they are able to rape.

At some point a community like this will tell you that enough is enough and eject you if you don’t change your behavior. You can feel sorry for people that yearn for sexual contact, but how you choose to socially support them matters. Your contribution to our collective social spaces and our reaction to it matters. The people in the MRA, Incel, MGTOW and other toxic communities are actually out in society interacting with others. I get to strategically plan for that.

I’m saying this as a person who feels what they are feeling. I’m in a relationship and in the same situation but we’re dealing with it with therapy (individual and couples) and introspection about the problems we inherited from society. Yes depression is involved, depression does not excuse the behavior in the article above. Depression like PTSD is one of those natural parts of how brains make minds that we label an illness because that’s how we look at medicine. What you do while depressed matters. Stop continually socially uplifting the people that are literally contributing to the problem of taking rape seriously in society. How you work on depression as a problem matters. What you are doing is not how you do it.

Which leads us to humor. Humor is how minds twist feeling in a social context. It’s purpose is in part to make us feel better about something and much of social conflict is humor. Mockery, sarcasm, and many other things are social weapons. That’s why the racist, sexist, and other bigoted flavored jokes are an imminent social problem. If you actually care about this stuff and want the world to be different you will change your behavior. Look at the image weirwoodtreehugger posted. How do you plan on changing that?

Speaking, talking, texting, memeing (people just love their iconography), it all matters. Many of the 1:10 people in the general flow will be acting as predators towards others in the social flow of everything including the internet. We get to plan for that.

kupo
kupo
7 years ago

@wwth
Nice. I liked how the Ghostbusters movie had essentially a Nice Guy (TM) as the villain.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
7 years ago

Either you lack the basic reading comprehension required to participate in a conversation or you’re a shitposter yourself.

Shitposter. Look at the way Skeptic keeps bringing in non sequiturs, like the “attempted rape” bit. Nobody was talking about attempted rape! But Skeptic brings that in so as to stir the pot more.

The trolliness of this troll becomes more transparent with every post.

kupo
kupo
7 years ago

They like tragedies because emotions are already raw. Doesn’t take as much effort to inflict pain.

Brony, Social Justice Cenobite

I have to mention that I mangled this bit in my previous post.

Instead of relentless criticism for people that only seem to care for the social forces that enable rapists we need focus on rapists and how they are able to rape.

I’m not sure what I was going for there anymore.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

POM,

Yeah, I know. I’m just giving him the rope to hang himself with. Although I suspect he’ll just ignore the question. He’s ignored me this whole thread so far I think.

Jesalin
Jesalin
7 years ago

For some odd reason I’m reminded of an old cat food commercial. It went something like this: Meow meow meow meow, meow meow meow meow, can we please ban this jackass now?

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

I’m laughing so hard at the latest white house drama. Tillerson called Trump a moron during a meeting.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/04/politics/tillerson-trump-moron/index.html

It’s about the only bright spot so far this week.

Fishy Goat
Fishy Goat
7 years ago

@WWTH And now he’s seriously back pedalling. 😀

JoeB
JoeB
7 years ago

OT Update: Tim Murphy R-PA expected to resign after it was revealed he urged his mistress to get an abortion. That would bring the US House back down to 1 “pro-life” member who got their mistress pregnant and urged abortion, that we know of.

Schnookums Von Ghostface Fancypants Killer
Schnookums Von Ghostface Fancypants Killer
7 years ago

@Kupo

Nice. I liked how the Ghostbusters movie had essentially a Nice Guy (TM) as the villain.

I also appreciate that the stereotypical “dumb blonde” was Chris Hemsworth, and not just because I could seriously just watch that man read the phone book, assuming he also took his shirt off while doing it.

PaganReader - Misandrist Spinster

OT, but less so SkepticTheTroll keeps bringing up rape, this woman hunted rapists.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
7 years ago

Although I suspect he’ll just ignore the question. He’s ignored me this whole thread so far I think.

He’s ignored me since day 1. He’s ignoring most people, though – he seems to be just shitposting into the void most of the time.

PeeVee the (Tired of the Militant Plasticfaced) Sarcastic
PeeVee the (Tired of the Militant Plasticfaced) Sarcastic
7 years ago

JoeB: Murphy has announced he won’t seek re-election next year. Should resign, anyway, but.

Weird (thumper of trumpanzees) Eddie
Weird (thumper of trumpanzees) Eddie
7 years ago

@ PaganReader

Thanx for that story!

E.T.A. @ Brony

I’m not sure what I was going for there anymore.

I understood it to mean focus on the people committing the crime and not on their “rights” to brag about having committed it (putting too sharp a point on your point, here….)

Brony, Social Justice Cenobite

@weirwoodtreehugger, Policy of Madness
I think of things like that as talking to the group. That individual/group recipient difference in language can sometimes be more stark and obvious. I think there is strategy there when people want to fight.

Weird (thumper of trumpanzees) Eddie
Weird (thumper of trumpanzees) Eddie
7 years ago

Skeptic is an “armchair intellectual”…. They can recite the terms that the discipline uses, and can even string them together in sentences, but lacks the understanding of the discipline which would allow them to make a rational argument.

I’m reminded of Star Trek IV, Spock’s quote about simulating whale sounds… “we could imitate the sounds but not the language… we would be responding in gibberish!”

E.T.A. (corrected gendering)

kupo
kupo
7 years ago

@PaganReader
Thank you. I now have a new hero!

Victorious Parasol
Victorious Parasol
7 years ago

Thank you, David.

BritterSweet
7 years ago

Thanks, David!

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Brony, Social Justice Cenobite

@Weird
That feels possible. A long work day and weed are involved so my short-term memory is suspect.

Myriad
Myriad
7 years ago

Thank you, David. Hope you’re feeling better.

PeeVee the (Perpetually Ignored, Invisible but Noice) Sarcastic
PeeVee the (Perpetually Ignored, Invisible but Noice) Sarcastic
7 years ago

Thank you, David.

I hope you are better.

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