By David Futrelle
In the wake of every mass shooting, we hear the inevitable cries from NRA types not to “politicize” the tragedy by pointing out the obvious fact that stricter gun laws would make such tragedies less likely in the future. We watch the trolls and shitlords of the alt-right flood the internet with disinformation and conspiracy theories. These reactions are now as predictable as the reappearance of the sun on the horizon every morning.
The internet’s incels — the bitter fringe-dwellers who consider their “involuntary celibacy” to be a crime against their humanity — have their own predictable responses to such tragedies: they mock the victims as “normies” deserving death — and try as best as they can to adopt the latest mass killer as one of their own.
In the case of last night’s horrific mass shooting in Las Vegas — a massacre that at last count left 59 dead and more than 500 injured — Reddit’s incels did not disappoint on this front. In a number of different threads devoted to the murders, regulars on the Incels subreddit celebrated the death of “normies” and “chads” and even tried to claim that mass killer Stephen Paddock — a man with a girlfriend, and thus decidedly not an incel — was “a depressed and delusional former Chad turned to oldcel.”
For many in the subreddit, the news of the mass shooting was something of an inspiration. In a thread offering faux condolences for the dozens of “normies [who] just got fragged in Las Vegas,” several commenters had similar ideas:
Those calling for basic human decency got an earful from their fellow incels.
In another thread, Reddit’s incels lashed out at the “normies” expressing sympathy for the victims on social media — and at the alleged “degeneracy” of Las Vegas.
The subreddit’s regulars found it much easier to identify with the shooter.
Still, it’s unlikely that Paddock, a 64-year-old retiree who apparently lived with a girlfriend, will be embraced by incels as another Elliot Rodger, the incel mass murderer celebrated as a “saint” and “supreme gentleman” by this despicable crowd. But that didn’t stop some from trying to posthumously recruit Paddock to inceldom, none more ingeniously than this fellow.
It’s a bit of a reach, given that pretty much the only things we seem to know for sure about Paddock is that he was neither a former Chad nor an incel. I guess the Incels subreddit regulars are a little hard up for, er, “heroes” these days.
Hahahahaha! I’m watching last night’s American Horror Story and they showed the villain (and Trump fan) reading a red pill website.
@Skeptic
Just in case you are one of the confused social enablers out there in the milieu here I have an explanation for things here that I hope helps. Banning you matters (and that’s up to David and any people that he chooses to be persuaded by in what is their social space here at WHTM) and here is why.
You have a fundamental problem here. This is about what actually happens and what is required to fix the problem (lets use social behavior that leads to things like neglect of rape kits by governmental authorities). The people here are concerned with language that actually fixes the problem in it’s real-world manifestations. So any negative feelings you might have are secondary to the features of the problem and what is required to fix it.
This is literally a numbers issue and a social exposure issue (you are mucking with that last bit by filling the social space with criticism of victims, putting social pressure on people already under social pressure, and uplifting people who are at the very least adding to the culture that makes taking rape seriously hard). If one wants to change how society acts and believes one has to put pressure on their social space. So I and others basically think about what a rapist needs in social spaces in order to keep on raping and I deny them that. In this case this community will eventually put pressure on the social dynamics that lead to neglected and abandoned rape kits. Instead of relentless criticism for people that only seem to care for the social forces that enable rapists we need focus on rapists and how they are able to rape.
At some point a community like this will tell you that enough is enough and eject you if you don’t change your behavior. You can feel sorry for people that yearn for sexual contact, but how you choose to socially support them matters. Your contribution to our collective social spaces and our reaction to it matters. The people in the MRA, Incel, MGTOW and other toxic communities are actually out in society interacting with others. I get to strategically plan for that.
I’m saying this as a person who feels what they are feeling. I’m in a relationship and in the same situation but we’re dealing with it with therapy (individual and couples) and introspection about the problems we inherited from society. Yes depression is involved, depression does not excuse the behavior in the article above. Depression like PTSD is one of those natural parts of how brains make minds that we label an illness because that’s how we look at medicine. What you do while depressed matters. Stop continually socially uplifting the people that are literally contributing to the problem of taking rape seriously in society. How you work on depression as a problem matters. What you are doing is not how you do it.
Which leads us to humor. Humor is how minds twist feeling in a social context. It’s purpose is in part to make us feel better about something and much of social conflict is humor. Mockery, sarcasm, and many other things are social weapons. That’s why the racist, sexist, and other bigoted flavored jokes are an imminent social problem. If you actually care about this stuff and want the world to be different you will change your behavior. Look at the image weirwoodtreehugger posted. How do you plan on changing that?
Speaking, talking, texting, memeing (people just love their iconography), it all matters. Many of the 1:10 people in the general flow will be acting as predators towards others in the social flow of everything including the internet. We get to plan for that.
@wwth
Nice. I liked how the Ghostbusters movie had essentially a Nice Guy (TM) as the villain.
Shitposter. Look at the way Skeptic keeps bringing in non sequiturs, like the “attempted rape” bit. Nobody was talking about attempted rape! But Skeptic brings that in so as to stir the pot more.
The trolliness of this troll becomes more transparent with every post.
They like tragedies because emotions are already raw. Doesn’t take as much effort to inflict pain.
I have to mention that I mangled this bit in my previous post.
I’m not sure what I was going for there anymore.
POM,
Yeah, I know. I’m just giving him the rope to hang himself with. Although I suspect he’ll just ignore the question. He’s ignored me this whole thread so far I think.
For some odd reason I’m reminded of an old cat food commercial. It went something like this: Meow meow meow meow, meow meow meow meow, can we please ban this jackass now?
I’m laughing so hard at the latest white house drama. Tillerson called Trump a moron during a meeting.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/04/politics/tillerson-trump-moron/index.html
It’s about the only bright spot so far this week.
@WWTH And now he’s seriously back pedalling. 😀
OT Update: Tim Murphy R-PA expected to resign after it was revealed he urged his mistress to get an abortion. That would bring the US House back down to 1 “pro-life” member who got their mistress pregnant and urged abortion, that we know of.
@Kupo
I also appreciate that the stereotypical “dumb blonde” was Chris Hemsworth, and not just because I could seriously just watch that man read the phone book, assuming he also took his shirt off while doing it.
OT, but less so SkepticTheTroll keeps bringing up rape, this woman hunted rapists.
He’s ignored me since day 1. He’s ignoring most people, though – he seems to be just shitposting into the void most of the time.
JoeB: Murphy has announced he won’t seek re-election next year. Should resign, anyway, but.
@ PaganReader
Thanx for that story!
E.T.A. @ Brony
I understood it to mean focus on the people committing the crime and not on their “rights” to brag about having committed it (putting too sharp a point on your point, here….)
@weirwoodtreehugger, Policy of Madness
I think of things like that as talking to the group. That individual/group recipient difference in language can sometimes be more stark and obvious. I think there is strategy there when people want to fight.
Skeptic is an “armchair intellectual”…. They can recite the terms that the discipline uses, and can even string them together in sentences, but lacks the understanding of the discipline which would allow them to make a rational argument.
I’m reminded of Star Trek IV, Spock’s quote about simulating whale sounds… “we could imitate the sounds but not the language… we would be responding in gibberish!”
E.T.A. (corrected gendering)
@PaganReader
Thank you. I now have a new hero!
I’m giving Skeptic an indefinite time-out.
Thank you, David.
Thanks, David!
@Weird
That feels possible. A long work day and weed are involved so my short-term memory is suspect.
Thank you, David. Hope you’re feeling better.
Thank you, David.
I hope you are better.