John McCain says no: Today in Tweets

@Kat

I made two mistaken assumptions

So long as we can admit when we fuck up

That it would be obvious that, given that I’d like all people to join the fight against climate change, I believe all people have inherent value

Well, no. The only thing obvious from this is that you believe that cooperation is the best way to combat global warming. Yours is a statement of expediency and efficacy, not of value. Which…

That all readers of WHTM — except for some trolls — see the merit of mitigating climate change

I won’t say ‘all’, cos I don’t know. I would point out the… oddity of comparing this to the idea that you’d doubt all readers (trolls excepted) see the merit of mitigating racism, but… I suppose I just have. Anyway. This doesn’t, however, mean much except in relation. See, this is a double down on the thing I was nonplussed about in the 1st place. This is a perfect case of the ‘distraction narrative’, that other people’s issues (BLM, frex) are a distraction from one’s own issues (AGW, frex). Now, I don’t need to tell you why that’s a bit iffy, but for the benefit of others:
1)the implication that other people’s concerns are lesser than yours,
2)that other people caring about other things is an affront to you and your things, and
3)that people can’t care about both issues and still other issues.
4)the reality that the grievances of brown folk are often on the receiving end of lessening,
5)especially in relation to white/’everybody’ stuff,
6)the inherent assumption in which is that our stuff isn’t ‘everybody stuff.
7)and this has a particularly nasty side effect, in that your issue must be solved, while mine need only be handled…

You, inadvertently of course, made a not so good comparison of issues in your original comment. You placed the protests to the other side of climate change. Not BLM, not institutional racism, specifically the sportsball protests against same. This is… problematic. The implication here is that the climate change needs to be solved once and for all. But that racism only need be massaged til it’s no longer worth protesting/distracting over. So we can get back to shit that’s really important. Like… Green Lives Matter. Not a good look

Any questions?

-If you believe in peace, then let us keep it
-I think you’re confusing ‘peace’ with ‘quiet’
Thor and Ultron

“jeez it’s only 90 days it’s not like we’re asking for much-”

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/24/us/politics/new-order-bars-almost-all-travel-from-seven-countries.html?mcubz=1

WASHINGTON — President Trump on Sunday issued a new order indefinitely banning almost all travel to the United States from seven countries, including most of the nations covered by his original travel ban, citing threats to national security posed by letting their citizens into the country.

The new order is more far-reaching than the president’s original travel ban, imposing permanent restrictions on travel, rather than the 90-day suspension that Mr. Trump authorized soon after taking office. But officials said his new action was the result of a deliberative, rigorous examination of security risks that was designed to avoid the chaotic rollout of his first ban. And the addition of non-Muslim countries could address the legal attacks on earlier travel restrictions as discrimination based on religion.

Starting next month, most citizens of Iran, Libya, Syria, Yemen, Somalia, Chad and North Korea will be banned from entering the United States, Mr. Trump said in a proclamation released Sunday night. Citizens of Iraq and some groups of people in Venezuela who seek to visit the United States will face restrictions or heightened scrutiny.

@Alan

Speaking as part of the Brighton contingent, I thank you. I also don’t know whether to laugh or sigh.

Do we need to start keeping a list of landmarks that aren’t mosques? Westminster Cathedral, Brighton Pavilion, where next?

The Pavilion is well worth a visit, for any Mammotheers passing through Brighton. If you think the outside is ornate (and loaded with cultural appropriation), wait til you see inside!

Heat wave in Montreal continues. I couldn’t sleep that well – had to have a fan on all night. As @numerobis said, the marathon here on Sunday was canceled (although the half-marathon and other shorter running events happened).

Completely OT, but appears to be what one looks like when one is really committed to one’s work:

So, just in case anyone was tempted to believe that Ivanka was the kinder, gentler Trump…

http://dlisted.com/2017/09/26/ivanka-and-donald-trump-jr-once-tried-to-bump-tiffany-trump-out-of-daddys-will/#more-269937

More suffragette shenanigans, but this time has some interesting stuff from a US perspective:

https://www.wpr.org/fight-club-there-were-feminists

The Pavilion is a mishmash of cultural influences.

The Prince Regent: “I need somewhere discrete so I can meet my illicit wife without drawing any attention”

John Nash: “Hold my pint“

Prince Regent thought he was asking for discreet, but failed to clarify and got very, very discrete 😀 (as in separate, distinct, individual and utterly, beyond-bonkersly disconnected, I mean. Nash really went for it, didn’t he)

Come to think of it, isn’t the Brighton Pavillion the location of some rather unique items of “erotic” furniture?

@ redsilkphoenix

The more things change…

But imagine having to put up with Edwardian attitudes if you were a woman who was assaulted…

“People would say that these women who were filing these complaints weren’t telling the truth, that they were actually just flirting with the men and then trying to get back at them afterwards if they’d been denied. They were told that their flashy clothing was causing the problem, or that they were inappropriately looking at these men and baiting them. Women were basically told, if you’re going to be out in public, you need to avoid eye contact; you need to not talk to anybody,”

Re: Warren Farrell interview

…people in the men’s movement are so hurt, in such pain, that they’re shouting out. And when people don’t get heard, as in any relationship, they start getting meaner and meaner, and angrier and angrier, and saying things that are in the extreme.

Shut up Warren. MRAs get meaner and meaner, and angrier and angrier, because they’re abusive, entitled man-children. Repelling people with your bullshit is not the same as ‘not being heard’.

Slightly OT, but reading through the Ivanka Trump article I saw Trump Ice was a thing. Trump University, Trump Steaks, Trump Ice, yeeeeeergh. Why would any marketing department agree to put Trump in front of things like this, it’s a horrible sounding word.

I was saying yesterday that the NFL thing seemed like a lot of ‘you can’t tell me what to do’.

Seems a number of people have been thinking similarly:
‘Bigger than football’: NFL, long a conservative league, dodged activism. Then came Trump

Kaepernick was considered to have been blackballed by the league, failing to sign with any team in the 2017 season. When the issue was solely about him and the small set of players rallying to his side, Karpf said, “it was easy for most of the league to stay out of it.”

“And then Donald Trump calls them ‘sons of bitches,’ and the question is put before every single player: Are you going to stand with a guy who, whether you agree with the style of protest he chose, he could be on your team? And the president just called him a ‘son of a bitch’ because he exercised his right to peaceful protest?”

[…]

It may well be that part of the anger on the part of NFL management comes from the president meddling in their corporate affairs, he told the Times.

“It’ll be interesting if some owner signs Kaepernick now, just to show that Trump can’t engage in their business,” he said.

people in the men’s movement are so hurt, in such pain, that they’re shouting out. And when people don’t get heard, as in any relationship, they start getting meaner and meaner, and angrier and angrier, and saying things that are in the extreme.

Isn’t it cute how being in pain is always an acceptable excuse for men to be virulently misogynistic, even threatening, but when women don’t want to talk to men on the street or public transportation in part because of the fear that they might intend to hurt us than we’re vile manhaters? Or any other time we object – even if it’s politely – to male behavior based on experience with predatory men than it’s unacceptable and mean and not all men!

Maybe every woman who’s ever been hurt by a man should go on his social media and say that he is probably evil and a rapist because he is a man and then spit his own quote back at him and say “what? I’ve been hurt! I’m in pain! It makes me mean and angry!” See how much he likes that.