By David Futrelle
The stunted human beings known as Men Going Their Own Way love to imagine apocalyptic scenarios in which women are forced to beg them for help, offering sexual favors for cans of beans.
Now, with something truly apocalyptic barreling into Florida, they’re … well, doing the exact same thing, with Florida-based MGTOWs boasting of their preparedness and mocking all those allegedly hapless women they think will soon be beating a path to their home fortresses in search of food and shelter.
In a post on the MGTOW subreddit on Friday, one MGTOW Redditor seemed positively eager for Irma to do its thing to Orlando.
I would be surprised if even one “single woman riding the carousel” has approached him to ask for anything at all.
Naturally, cleats4u’s fellow MGTOW Redditors agreed that women are a bunch of helpless hypocrites who talk tough but then have the gall to … sometimes depend on other people.
![DangZagnut 98 points 2 days ago I'm in Florida too. I have noticed a reduction in feminist independent empowered women lately. permalinkembedsavereportgive goldreply [–]Paladin2903 84 points 2 days ago As soon as times get tough (war, natural disaster, economic crash, etc.), they immediately revert to the 1950's little helpless fawn/damsel in distress. This generally applies to even the most ravenous feminazi, unless she munches carpet and looks like a dude. As soon as times get good again (because MEN made them good) then they're "independent" and "empowered" women. Lol.](https://i0.wp.com/www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/mi2.png?resize=580%2C497&ssl=1)
I’m sure if an when these guys accidentally set fire to their homes with their balky generators they will steadfastly refuse the help of emergency services, because relying on others for help is for pussies.
This fellow, meanwhile, imagines a fun and kicky Mad Max scenario that for some reason involves a great deal of macaroni.
Another fellow fantasizes about trading sandwiches for sex:
I’m pretty sure most women would rather starve.
Which, apparently, is what most of those on the MGTOW subreddit would prefer for them as well.
![DagonNaxos 43 points 2 days ago Give them nothing. They deserve nothing. Let em starve. Be safe and lock and load permalinkembedsavereportgive goldreply [–]mthrowaway52 5 points 1 day ago They can get a lead sandwich if they trespass.](https://i0.wp.com/www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/mi5.png?resize=561%2C411&ssl=1)
And MGTOWs still try to convince people that their lady-hating cult is all about “self-improvement.” Nothing about these guys is new or improved.
@Pie
Fair enough, that’s a good point. I’d still rather have one than not have one. Then again, it’s largely academic for me – the East Midlands of England are not overwhelmed regularly by natural disasters (yet…). If I had to think about this for real I would certainly be a lot more careful about exactly what I needed. Hope you’re not in that sort of situation yourself; if you are, best wishes and please take care.
@ David F
If you can get it, it’s probably worth stocking up on a few bars of Kendal Mint Cake (We had a discussion about it a while back if peeps want more info).
It’s pretty last resort stuff; personally I’d rather do the ‘drawing straws’ thing. But it is a proven life saver and it lasts forever in storage.
Oh, and this is a hexamine stove as mentioned earlier. They’re two quid over here with a supply of the blocks. (Or just get the blocks and use some rocks)
I live in an area prone to earthquakes and typhoons, and the first rule they teach is don’t stock up on survival food that takes a lot of water to cook. The first rule of donating- besides send money instead- is don’t donate food that takes a lot of water to cook (around here in Taiwan that mostly applies to rice and instant noodles).
@ IP
That is such a perfect summation of the MGTOW’s approach that it should be on a T-shirt.
@ Pecuniam
You’re back! Great to see you again.
@ David
Things that are nutritious and pretty good straight out of the tin without heating up: sweetcorn, baked beans (some think so, anyway), refried beans, rice pudding. Tinned tomatoes cold I like too and they have a high vitamin C content I believe.
In Naples you can get “double baked bread” – basically a rough grain loaf which has been biscuited – and that with garlic, oil, dried herbs and some tinned tomatoes makes a very nice snack – typically what you eat when you come back from holiday and have nothing in. Pumpernickel in a packet keeps quite a long time too, and is delicious.
I just realised that “Dixie_Wehrwolf” means “Confederate_Nazi.”
Scratch an MRA, find a Nazi. Every. Bloody. Time.
How much of a horrible person do you have to be to actually hope people drown because they won’t fuck you?
I hope everyone stays safe. I hope everybody gets through this with as little damage as possible.
So they might be hard to come by during actual emergencies, but some army surplus stores carry military ready-to-eat ration packs, which are my favourite camping/emergency foods.
They have thousands of calories per box, all safely pre-cooked and canned/bagged to be tough and waterproof. Plus they keep for literally decades and (depending on their country of origin) are pretty tasty and can contain useful stuff like water purification tablets, tissues, candy, hot sauce and matches.
I’d go for high-energy, high-protein foods that have a relatively long shelf life, don’t require a lot of water or heat to cook, and can be rotated into your regular meals as they expire. Canned tuna, peanut butter (or sunflower seed butter if you’re allergic), canned beans, canned vegetables, canned soups, powdered milk, granola bars. Store inside airtight food-grade plastic buckets so the mice don’t get them.
Drinking water is essential too. Figure on a gallon a day per person. Bottled water keeps for a long time, though it’s bulky to store. If you have advance notice of an emergency, you can freeze water in Ziploc bags. That will fill airspace in your freezer and keep food cold longer, as well as provide extra drinking water.
Nice-to-haves: vitamins, hand sanitizer, plastic tarp (many uses, including solar still), plenty of batteries.
If we’re talking about EMP or other severe grid-down-indefinitely events, then start thinking flour, sugar, seeds, barter items, and survival skills.
When all is said and done, getting to know your neighbors is probably the best way of prepping for any emergency. Even if the apocalypse never comes, you’ll have some awesome new friends.
Getting acquainted with a good camping stove would be helpful for when the grid goes down for a couple days.
Plus then you can go camping.
The MSR dragonfly is great for simmering things, but sounds like a rocket; the whisperlite is quieter but you have a choice of either boiling your food or carbonizing it.
If you can simmer, get some giant bags of lentils and rice and eat from them normally. When they’re half empty, buy a new bag and you’ll be prepped for a big blizzard. Also, the bigger the bag, the cheaper per pound (yet another way being poor is expensive).
The Kelly Kettle – fantastic invention! One of the best things to come out of Ireland since Guinness.
You can make a large pot of tea with just a few twigs for fuel – and you can cook your beans and eggs over the top at the same time. It even comes with a stand so you can have it going in a boat.
https://www.kellykettle.com/
David Futrelle,
For survival food you can’t beat pemmican and portable soup. You do have to do some work to make both but both will keep for decades (or centuries, in the case of pemmican). For the pemmican:
http://outdoorchannel.com/article.aspx?id=23213
Fair warning, pemmican is very bland but calorie packed with several hundred calories an ounce. It is survival food, not pleasure food. In my experience it isn’t very difficult to make and requires no heat or clean water to prepare once it is finished and stowed – you eat it as is.
For something more palatable, I would suggest portable/pocket soup.
This takes a little bit of skill to make. I messed it up a few times but eventually managed to get it right. The big issue is you will be tempted to use heat to “dry” it up but that will just burn it.
The great thing about it is you can keep it in an old Altoids tin and it is quite good. You can even mix in vegetables either that you grow or find during a disaster (e.g. wild mushrooms, onions, etc – just be really careful to use a guide to determine what is safe to eat and what will have you shitting out a third of your body weight if you eat it, especially with mushrooms).
I had some thoughts about the nature of the disconnect (because the sweetie/honey/baby/boy/son issue isn’t new), but having read all comments I see Dave has weighed in, and shall hold my fire.
Re pasta recipes, this is a quick and easy sauce.
12 oz sour cream
~4 oz prepared mustard (I like Maille dijon, but find one you like)
Salt, to taste.
That’s the base, vary to taste, with herbs, etc. My default is to toss in a fair number of non-pareille capers, and some fresh herb (tarragon is good, so to minced rosemary. Basil doesn’t do as well as one might think).
Dried herbs, such as herbes des provence, or crushed peppers are also just fine.
What to stock for emergency?
1: How long do you expect it to last.
2: How severe is the level of cut off?
My model is “The Big One”, because I spent 35 formative years in Calif. So loss of power, loss of gas was always a concern (My folks lost gas, and power in Northridge, I lost power in Big Bear), though for losing both for more than a week was never really a big concern.
Food you can eat cold. Ideally something neither too carby, nor to proteinacious. You want to keep your blood sugar balanced. Worry about “healthy eating” (however you define it) later. The point now is to keep body and soul together.
I favored canned/MRE sorts of things over freeze dried, because water. That said, Calif. has lots of swimming pools, and in a pinch you can use pool water, esp. if you cut it 50/50 with water you aren’t sure of from the tap.
So tuna, canned beans, canned veggies. Condensed soup, yes it takes 12 oz of water, but you need to drink and cooking it will reduce the risk of bacteria. Also has salt.
Bascially, stock about 2,000 calories, per person; per day, for the period you think the emergency to last; then add 50 percent (you might have guests, it might run long).
Your cupboards probably have perishables, eat them first.
Most of us can be stocked for a week without too much trouble. If you have food issues, you already know, and are already mostly set to deal with them.
What screws most people up is thinking post event = apocalypse, and they go into panicked prepper mode (see the OP, who forgets that hurricanes aren’t an unknown, folks have been coping with them all their lives and thinks this is going to be the tipping point to Florida Man Goes Mad Max).
Re camping stoves: They are handy BUT…
They can break your pots, esp. if you use cast iron. They generate a very high heat, in a very small area. Cast Iron has a high latency, but isn’t as conductive as you think. I’ve had pans broken when car-camping, because what was meant for the fire, got used with the stove.
I would also discommend them for pure aluminum (clad ware is probably ok), because the melting point is pretty low, and aluminum has some interesting properties; which are not predictable unless you know which of several hundred alloys it is.
That said most aluminum cookware is in the upper 5000/lower 6000 series, and when sandwiched in stainless steel isn’t likely to have major problems, i.e. there won’t be catastrophic failure; though the pan may need to be replaced afterwards.
If it’s MSR stove vs starving and all you have is cladware, fire up the stove, and don’t worry about the pan.
re MRE/Compos/Ration Packs.
They are good for what they are, BUT… they are heavy. They are bulky. A case of MREs is 24″x”12″x14″; weighs about 18lbs, has 12 meals, and in theory is four days food in combat, 6 days food for normal activity, and 12 days if doing not much. Each meals is between 1,200 and 3,000 calories.
They are salty.
You are not going to be sure what allergens are in them.
@Violet:
Not OT at all. Migtoes are something my conscious mind already had a low opinion of, long before the logistics of cooking KD during a hurricane and catching sex slaves with it ever became a topic of discussion.
The other alternative is to put stones around a fire and then sequentially drop them into the liquid in the pot. I was amazed how quickly that got water boiling.
Warning though, every now and then one of the stones cracks, they didn’t go shrapnel but it does make you jump.
Also, LOL @ DangZagnut and his “reduction in feminist empowered women lately”. Yeah, dude, no shit they’re gone. They packed up and sped off as soon as they got the evacuation order, and you’re still around, hoping to catch a straggler to ride your widdle cock, which ain’t no carousel.
See why my opinion of migtoe intelligence is so low?
I have done the stones in a pot. Only real problem is, you can’t cook things that are full of water that way.
I’m continually amazed at people who see natural disasters as a golden opportunity for Darwinian ethnic cleansing. They get positively giddy at the idea of a category 5 storm selectively wiping out vulnerable segments of the population. They imagine the hurricane anthropomorphically doing exactly what they themselves wish they could do: wreaking vengeance from the sky, punishing people they don’t like, weeding out the weak and the “degenerates”, leaving behind nothing but white men and their concubines. They imagine the disaster will leave behind a Lord of the Flies wonderland where the rules no longer apply. In order for that fantasy to work, they have to believe that women, the disabled, and PoC are stupid sheep, dependent on modern conveniences and unable to fend for themselves.
In reality, disasters blindly target everyone, even the prepared. All the mac and cheese in the world isn’t going to prevent a tree coming through the house at 155 mph. Bullets aren’t going to save them when the house catches on fire from the camp stove and the fire department can’t come put it out because it’s too windy.
Broken people, spending $400 on tactical hunting knives to stab humans with but having no idea which of their neighbors has diabetes or knows how to do small engine repair.
Sorry, these people make me really ranty. Their antisocial attitudes and consumerist approach to prepping (stockpile STUFF, THINGS, and MOAR STUFF! Corner the market now!) are making the apocalypse more likely, and guaranteeing the aftermath will be a lot more unpleasant. If modern civilization is so chafing and restrictive, they should go live on an island somewhere and leave the rest of us in peace.
@Bina
Haha my conscious mind does as well! That is what they are! I just didn’t realise it had penetrated to such a deep level.
I clearly see them as weak, ineffectual and not scary at all, which is hilarious considering how hard they try to be alpha males.
This little guy I dreamt couldn’t even break the skin when he bit my knee however hard he tried, and I eventually picked him up by the scruff of the neck like a less adorable kitten. My main thought, in the dream, being that it was a bit annoying that I now had to figure out what to do with him. All the while he was telling me how powerless and crap women were, while the people round the table stared at him as he dangled from my hand kicking his tiny legs
aren’t full of water.
@Buttercup
As the eye wall of hurricane Isabel crossed over my family home, she brought four trees down. I mean, she’d been bringing trees down all night, but these four were special.
These four struck our home.
In such high winds, once those trees started falling, they could have landed anywhere. Perhaps the second most devastating hit would have been a single tree bisecting both the living room and the kitchen, simply because that would have blocked the stairs up from the basement.
Instead, all four trees landed in a single room, in a way that didn’t intersect any other rooms, and didn’t damage the wall between the sun room and the rest of the house.
This still could have been disastrous. The sun room was directly above the garage. We keep our tools there, and dad had made sure to store a car and the generator and extra gas in there. The garage could have easily collapsed, burying or destroying the tools we needed. But even the weight of four trees – and the shock of impact – did no damage to the garage and lower floor my grandfather had built to resist cold war bombs.
We were prepared. We had a generator that we knew worked, we had gas, we had a car that we knew would probably be safe from the storm (Isabel destroyed the rest of our cars at that time), we had a chainsaw, we had food that could be cooked over a fire or an electric skillet, we had a clean water supply that wouldn’t be interrupted no matter what happened to the rest of the town. We knew our neighbors, too.
But as prepared as we were, if one of those trees had fallen in the kitchen we would have had difficulty cooking most of the food we had. If one of those trees had blocked the stairs, we would have needed to go out through the garage to get into the upper floor. If those trees had crushed the garage, we would have gone to our neighbors for help, instead of them coming to us because we had power and water.
Prepare, yes, but catastrophes can destroy even the prepared. It’s better for the entire community to be mostly prepared and willing to work together.
Buttercup says it best like she always do. May your pants always be skully <3 These guys read Lord of the Flies and thought it was actually a pretty awesome idea. They get to kill and fight and rule a tribe, and finally kick those losers that the teachers stopped them from kicking when they were kids! As with everything, their worldview is built around fantasies they would like to be true and not the way things actually work.
@Pecunium, hi! Welcome back mushroom friend.
@Alan, you missed one! I’m shocked that you aren’t taught the other rule:
3 minutes without oxygen, 3 hours without heat, 3 days without water, 3 weeks without food.
Specifically, once the outside temperature drops below zero C (outside of being in water), you’ve got about three hours to secure a heat source before hypothermia will immobilize you. That’s very rough obviously, depending on clothing and activity levels, but in general you have a couple hours to get a heat source. And it certainly applies for sleeping – without an external heat source of some sort, or some excellent insulation, you’re going to be punch-drunk and incoherent in about that long at night in the cold.
If you’re wet, that number drops rapidly as well. Ironically, keeping warm in bitter cold is as much about sweat regulation and avoiding getting too hot as it is about getting that heat source.
Best thing to do is to secure insulation. Most insulation is also flammable, so you’ve got firestarter there as well. Avoid sweating too much, and pay attention to your body temperature – if you’re starting to sweat, open up layers to cool down. You are working against the clock, so get cracking!
@ scildfreja
I was thinking there was another one, but I couldn’t remember it. (Smoking? Something to read? Complaining about the traffic…?)