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Check out my The Cut piece on Betsy DeVos and her terrible campus rape announcement

Betsy DeVos: An education crisis all by herself

By David Futrelle

Sorry I was out of commission yesterday! This is part of the reason why: my latest piece on The Cut about education secretary Betsy DeVos’s new campus rape policy, which turns out to be not really much of a policy at all.

Here’s the basic argument, minus most of the fun details about the terrible Men’s Rights activists and other reactionaries whose bad ideas she’s basically absorbed.

DeVos had been widely expected to use her speech today at George Mason University in Arlington, Virginia to announce a rollback of the Obama administration’s guidance on how colleges should deal with accusations of rape. This she did, declaring the 2011 “Dear Colleague” letter — requiring that colleges take rape accusations more seriously — basically null and void. …

So what does DeVos propose as a replacement for this “failed system?” She’s got nothing.

That’s right. After torpedoing the “Dear Colleague” letter, she offers college administrators precisely zero guidance on how the Department of Education expects them to fulfill their Title IX responsibilities. …

Instead of guidance, DeVos offers only a promise that her department “will launch a transparent notice-and-comment process to incorporate the insights of all parties in developing a better way.”

So the “era of ‘rule by letter’” is over, but the “better way” is yet to come. What exactly are college administrators expected to do in the in-between days? More to the point: what are victims of sexual assault on college campuses supposed to do?

Betsy DeVos literally has no answer.

It’s going to be a mess.

Naturally, the MRAs are thrilled. More on that tomorrow.

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Gussie Jives
Gussie Jives
3 years ago

A misogynistic religious zealot? Never heard of that…. /sarcasm

*sigh* These people cling to rape myths like they’re going out of style. Meanwhile a judge in Canada pulled this crap: https://www.vice.com/en_ca/article/qvv5zv/a-hockey-players-assault-sentence-was-postponed-so-it-wouldnt-hurt-his-internship

Kittens for all who need ’em.

Fishy Goat
Fishy Goat
3 years ago

@Moggie re: ‘Irish’ slogan: BWAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!

Thanks for the laugh. <3

Still Fiqah
Still Fiqah
3 years ago

I’m going to make this as brief as I can – hurricane barreling towards me and mine and all, you understand – but.

@Schadrach: I say this as the niece of two Black men who were lynched decades before my birth, and the descendant of countless Black women who were raped by White men with total impunity for CENTURIES. Comparing the thousands of innocent Black men (and WOMEN) who were lynched in this country with the flimsiest of legal pretexts and/or accusations of ANY crime to our contemporary judicial climate and its treatment of rape is…are you kidding? No. Stop it. You DO NOT get to EVER make your fucked-up rape-culture-cheerleading arguments invoking this. YOU. DO. NOT.

Your lack of empathy and inability or unwillingness to see everything that is wrong with what you’re saying is alarming. You’re either ignorant or an extraordinary asshole. PLEASE have the decency to be ashamed of yourself, and shut the fuck up forever with this angle.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

There are trees in the South notorious for being used to enforce policies that made it harder to rape and get away with it, by simply stringing up the accused without trial. Though I suspect you have a problem with it in that case because those were black men.

Fuck you. Lynching was about racism. Not misandry and false rape accusations. It’s a myth that rape was used as a pretext for most lynchings.

Also, trying to get universities to take rape accusations more seriously is not the same as advocating for a lack of due process when it comes to the criminal prosecution of rape.

Hell, most of us here would just like the criminal justice to actually properly investigate rape cases rather than just victim blaming and putting the rape kit in storage, never to be tested.

A T,

Sometimes rape victims also commit suicide because nothing was done to punish the rapists. Isn’t it curious how local police seem to always be unable to investigate rape when the accused are football players?

http://www.espn.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/12507869/sasha-menu-courey-death-investigation-closed-columbia-missouri-police

Seconding the not wanting conservatives on board. They are pro-rape except for when it comes to a stranger attacking a white virgin with a weapon type of rapes. AKA “legitimate rape.”

Pie
Pie
3 years ago

Yeah, I’m pretty fucking tired of this “we need to get the conservatives on board” shit. How we’re supposed to be nice, and reasonable, and polite, and make compromises, and extend hands of friendship and all the rest.

You didn’t hear the republicans telling each other that they needed to be more reasonable and to build more bridges with the democrats after obama took office, did you? You didn’t see the hordes of moderates and fence-sitters being turned away from voting republican by the sheer awfulness of the party and its hard core supporters, did you?

Given that we’ve already established that a) you can regain political power whilst holding your opponents in total contempt and attempting to sabotage their every move, regardless of merit and b) the conservatives have shown absolutely not one iota of any intent to be reasonable or make compromises, it seems quite reasonable to just tell em all to go fuck themselves.

So please feel free to rephrase your argument in a way that doesn’t require kissing regressive’s asses, mmkay?

Pie
Pie
3 years ago

@Schadrach

Remember, more than 2/3 of the people exonerated by the Innocence Project were convicted of sexual assault, and those are people who now have been proven not to have been the guilty party, by virtue of being excluded from the possibility of being guilty due to DNA evidence.

I look forward to hearing about how much more effort will be put towards testing rape kits under the current conservative government, and not simply destroying as soon as possible. For the good of all those falsely accused men.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

Lol. Schadrach’s name sounded familiar so I Googled to see if he posted here before. Looks like he has a little hate crush on David.

Oh, and the name sounded familiar because he posted in support of MRAs falsely accusing David of doxxing an MRA

https://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/11/10/mra-jack-barnes-is-trying-to-silence-me-with-increasingly-explicit-threats/comment-page-3/#comment-570796

Love how MRAs are soooooo against false accusations but have no problem making false accusations themselves.

dslucia
dslucia
3 years ago

Possibly not the name person, but “Schadrach” (same spelling and everything) is also the name of a hardcore gator-type user on a gaming forum I’m a part of.

PreuxFox
PreuxFox
3 years ago

@Schadrach

None of those legal systems made it easier for rapists, in particular, to avoid legal consequences. They apply equally to all crimes.

This conversation, and the sentence you quoted, are regarding Betsy DeVos’s decision to remove consequences (or the necessity for consequences to be enacted within a particular scope, that being as far as the responsibilities of a school administration when a student is accused) for rape in particular.

She did not make any change to how schools are advised to handle other types of assault, murder, theft, or non-criminal ethical violations like cheating on exams. She is only concerned with reducing consequences for rape.

Maybe you are lost, or didn’t read the article or the rest of the comment you are attempting to respond to.

If you think lynchings were instigated by women accusing black men of rape or were intended to reduce incidents of rape, you are severely lacking both facts and historical context.

Gussie Jives
Gussie Jives
3 years ago

Also, trying to get universities to take rape accusations more seriously is not the same as advocating for a lack of due process when it comes to the criminal prosecution of rape.

Hell, most of us here would just like the criminal justice to actually properly investigate rape cases rather than just victim blaming and putting the rape kit in storage, never to be tested.

Just to second what WWTH has said, due process is merely one aspect of resolving what MRAs so often dismiss: rape culture. Reflecting on a recent story in nearby Hamilton, it struck me how much the “cover-your-ass, preserve institutional reputation” bullshit permeates not only Fraternity culture, but college football culture in the US. There’s a reason Joe Paterno’s name is mud now; it’s not that he actually committed assaults personally, but that he knew about what Jerry Sandusky was doing and did nothing about it. Art Briles from Baylor pulled the same crap and last week gave me another reason to loathe the Ti-Cats for even considering hiring that little shit: https://www.thestar.com/sports/football/2017/08/28/ticats-hiring-of-former-baylor-coach-shows-some-things-never-change-arthur.html

Administrators definitely need to step up their game, but there’s plenty that the ordinary student and faculty member can do, and it’s break this culture of silence that allows sexual abusers to operate.

Gijoel
Gijoel
3 years ago

@Kat, Treeperson and Alan. Hugs are always good.

Gussie Jives
Gussie Jives
3 years ago

Possibly not the name person, but “Schadrach” (same spelling and everything) is also the name of a hardcore gator-type user on a gaming forum I’m a part of.

To me, Schadrach will always be the Hakeswill-replacement in Sharpe’s Challenge, played by Peter Hugo-Daly. Since the latter India-set TV movies were based on the prequel books and Pete Postlethwaite’s vile Obadiah Hakeswill was already killed off, they basically had to throw in a Hakeswill-like character into Sharpe’s Challenge and Sharpe’s Peril. So Sharpe’s Challenge featured Sergeant Schadrach Bickerstaff betraying Sharpe and doing all the stuff Hakeswill did to him in the book series.

First thing Sharpe does it beat Bickerstaff so hard it knocks out his two front teeth (after the latter was harassing a sepoy), then after all the betrayals, Harper blows his ass away with a Nock Volley Gun at point-blank range.

Oh Harper, you are the living end!

Scildfreja Unnyðnes
Scildfreja Unnyðnes
3 years ago

Reminder: Universities are unable to press criminal charges. They aren’t law enforcement entities. This is all about preserving the learning environment. A large part of that is about ensuring the safety and comfort of the students.

This is the point where assholes pipe up about special snowflakes needing safe spaces. Goa head and rant at your screen for a moment if you feel the need, libertarians and conservatives.

Got that out? Good.

People can’t learn when they’re distracted. Distracted by worrying where their next meal’s coming from, by fourty hours of work buzzing through their skulls, by family conflict, by the horrible nausea of how that guy made them feel last Friday. It’s about creating a space where people can learn effectively. Telling someone to toughen up and deal with it is macho bullshit that’s been shown to not work. Telling them date rape isn’t real rape is equivalent to saying I don’t care what you think happened, it isn’t an argument, just an erasure.

We protect students from extraneous conflict in the classroom so they can learn. The courts, as awful as they are, are where criminality is decided. The school’s role is to create that learning environment, and DeVos failed in that regard (because she’s interested in profiting off of students, not educating them). I mean for goodness’ sake, we will kick a student out of a classroom for being too noisy, but we can’t separate an alleged rapist from their victim? Ludicrous on its face.

@Schadrach, your argument boils down to “we are unable to attain perfect justice, therefore we should not strive for any.” You’re an authoritarian. Push off.

John Halaway
John Halaway
3 years ago

Well it looks like the author of this site made “the cut” once again. I still cant decide if this site is for real or not, especially after reading the comment section. Being an old geezer who was around when title ix was supposedly about sports, even though it was really about money it’s strange to see how this supposedly helpful ruling for women in sports is now in the judge, jury and executioner business.

To put things into perspective a college is a place where people pay for a service or product, in this case to learn a skill that will earn them a good wage. If you go to the grocery store to purchase products and you’re attacked by another shopper the police are called. So far no one has ever called for the Kroger court of appeals to decide the case.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
3 years ago

@John Halaway

Cool story, bro.

Viscaria the Cheese Hog
Viscaria the Cheese Hog
3 years ago

Well it looks like the author of this site made “the cut” once again.

What tipped you off, super sleuth? Was it the bit in the title where he says he wrote a piece for The Cut?

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

If you go to the grocery store to purchase products and you’re attacked by another shopper the police are called.

And if shoppers are routinely attacking other shoppers, a grocery store will likely take steps to protect the non-violent customers. For example, the attacker will probably be banned from coming in the store again. They might hire private security. Retail establishments take steps to prevent theft and protect customers beyond just calling the police after a crime occurs all the time. Your analogy is very full of fail.

I think I stumbled on an idea for a new MRA human rights campaign though!

Mall cops = false shoplifting accusations = lynching!

Jeyne Doe
Jeyne Doe
3 years ago

In other OT news, this is kind of hilarious:

https://thegeekygaeilgeoir.wordpress.com/2017/09/06/even-racists-got-the-blues/

Summary: US racists make T-shirts supposedly saying “Blue Lives Matter” in Irish (because reasons), but the word they chose for “blue” actually means (in this context)… “black”. Owned!

This made my day! An added bonus: the first comment I saw on the article literally suggested the author was a “childless cat lady.” She replied that she has one child and no cats.

kupo
kupo
3 years ago

@Alex
Welcome! I hope you enjoy your stay in our little corner of the web.

@Schadrach
May you always discover the cat puke in your slippers as you’re putting them on.

TreePerson
TreePerson
3 years ago

@kupo
Make that after they put them on.

Nanny Oggs Bosom
Nanny Oggs Bosom
3 years ago

@Gussie

I knew I recognised the name ‘Shadrach’ from somewhere. I enjoyed the Sharpe’s Peril and Sharpe’s Challenge, but because I’d read the books they’re based on I couldn’t help comparing the two.

kupo
kupo
3 years ago

@TreePerson
The idea being, they discover is as they’re putting them on because it’s now all over their foot. Probably could have been better stated.

Schadrach
Schadrach
3 years ago

@Dimmy:
“You actually compared protecting rape survivors to murder.”

Actually, I said that taking the approach that discarding anything that “makes it easier to rape and get away with it” as being inherently evil leads you down that road. Whether or not you reach the hanging tree at the end depends on how far you’re willing to go.

*ANYTHING* that falls under due process or rights of the accused by definition “makes it easier to rape and get away with it” because it puts obstacles between accusation and punishment. I invoked lynching because it’s one of the most evident, modern, and American examples of going straight to punishment on the flimsiest of accusations.

People act like Obama-era application of Title IX to sexual assault wasn’t what led to some of the frankly ridiculous policies various colleges have taken up, or that it’s necessary to have a setup where guilt is presumed, the accused isn’t given time to prepare a defense, the accused doesn’t necessarily get access to the evidence against him, the accused doesn’t get to cross-examine testimony against him, there is no appeal, and he has no right to counsel in order to protect alleged survivors. Because anything that sits between a woman pointing her finger and a man being punished “makes it easier to rape and get away with it.” And I’m specifying woman and man there because there’s at least one case that led to a lawsuit where a man accused a woman, so in response she accused him and they dropped *his* case as “retaliatory” before putting him through the usual wringer.

@weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

“Also, trying to get universities to take rape accusations more seriously is not the same as advocating for a lack of due process when it comes to the criminal prosecution of rape.”

You’re right, but mostly in that all the college can do is wreck his future educational and career opportunities, rather than having the power to lock him in a cell. I’d throw in the possibility of vigilante violence against him too, but any vigilantism isn’t on the hands of the school. The premise is no different, just the stakes.

“Sometimes rape victims also commit suicide because nothing was done to punish the rapists. Isn’t it curious how local police seem to always be unable to investigate rape when the accused are football players?”

No, no one is surprised that very wealthy or high status people can get away with basically whatever the fuck they want, without a whole lot of exceptions. It’s not unique to football players, nor is it unique to rape.

“Oh, and the name sounded familiar because he posted in support of MRAs falsely accusing David of doxxing an MRA”

I didn’t say David doxed Jack. Actually said someone doxed Jack and threatened him and his kid and expressly named David as to why he/she/etc would do such a thing, and I suggested that David might want to look at himself, his platform or his audience if people are using his writing as a reason to threaten children. Also that I wasn’t too shocked that Jack went after David over it because people have a bad habit of getting irrational and aggressive when someone threatens their children (which is why threat narratives involving children are quite effective at manipulating people). There are plenty enough reasons to hate Jack Barnes if you pay attention to him at all (really, the guy’s quite the asshole), but the person who did this invoked David writing about him as his/her/etc impetus.

@PreuxFox:

“None of those legal systems made it easier for rapists, in particular, to avoid legal consequences. They apply equally to all crimes.”

They help all those accused to avoid legal consequence, but no one talks about removing any kinds of protections from people accused of anything else.

The Obama-era policy that DeVos is tossing primarily worked by specifically lowering similar barriers in college processing of rape and sexual assault accusations. I get the sneaking suspicion that people think DeVos just said “colleges, feel free to cover up rape and sweep it under the rug all you want” rather than what was in the Dear Colleague letter (for example, mandating that the standard of evidence be no higher than a preponderance).

Have you actually looked at what college policies for dealing with accusations of misconduct look like at a few schools? Many of them have specific exceptions for sexual assault where protections granted for other accusations don’t apply any more, and most are pretty terrible to begin with.

“This conversation, and the sentence you quoted, are regarding Betsy DeVos’s decision to remove consequences (or the necessity for consequences to be enacted within a particular scope, that being as far as the responsibilities of a school administration when a student is accused) for rape in particular.”

She didn’t remove consequences for rape, she removed requirements that it be treated according to guidelines that are notably different than are used for accusations of other misconduct.

“She did not make any change to how schools are advised to handle other types of assault, murder, theft, or non-criminal ethical violations like cheating on exams. She is only concerned with reducing consequences for rape.”

Rape/sexual assault are the only accusations for which special requirements were placed in the first place. She can’t remove special requirements for other sorts of misconduct because there weren’t any. This isn’t “reducing consequences for rape” this is “not requiring rape have special rules to make it harder for the accused to defend themselves.”

“If you think lynchings were instigated by women accusing black men of rape or were intended to reduce incidents of rape, you are severely lacking both facts and historical context.”

Yeah, rape was the third most common excuse for the primarily black lynchings in the Southern US, after homicide and “other.” Lynchings in the Western US by comparison were mostly white folks and the most common excuses for those were homicide and cattle theft. In all cases it was an excuse to run roughshod over any kind of fairness or justice in order to go from accusation to punishment as directly as possible. It wasn’t about justice, it was about punishment for perceived misdeeds (which may or may not have been the ones accused in any given case). I didn’t pick the example out of a hat.

@Scildfreja Unnyðnes

“@Schadrach, your argument boils down to “we are unable to attain perfect justice, therefore we should not strive for any.” You’re an authoritarian. Push off.”

Not quite. Rather, that we shouldn’t dismantle the barriers that keep attempts at justice from harming the innocent just because we find the crime especially abhorrent.

From your perspective, striving for justice means not giving the accused the same protections in rape cases as in other cases, that we shouldn’t (for example) presume innocence or allow the accused the capacity to build a defense *because* of what the accusation is.

Makroth - cowboy Jacobin from Hell
Makroth - cowboy Jacobin from Hell
3 years ago

@Schadrach

What’s your replacement?

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

No, no one is surprised that very wealthy or high status people can get away with basically whatever the fuck they want, without a whole lot of exceptions.

And by your logic, the rational response to this is to continue to let them get away with it. Seems legit.

*ANYTHING* that falls under due process or rights of the accused by definition “makes it easier to rape and get away with it” because it puts obstacles between accusation and punishment. I invoked lynching because it’s one of the most evident, modern, and American examples of going straight to punishment on the flimsiest of accusations.

You went straight to it because it is hyperbolic. You went straight to it because you wanted to imply that feminists want to falsely accuse black men of rape and then lynch them for it. A little bit hypocritical though considering that you participate in a movement that has as much racism as misogyny. It’s pretty damn common for manurespherians to call black men “thugs,” obsess about cuckolding and refer to refugees as “rapefugees.” Your side is a hell of a lot more toxic and dangerous to black and brown men than feminism is.

Anyway, I’m wondering if you entirely oppose schools disciplining students whether or not law enforcement is involved? Are you against suspending or expelling students for fighting? How about cheating or plagarizing? Or is it only in cases of sexual assault in which you think the offender should get off lightly because we wouldn’t want to ruin his future.

Gussie Jives
Gussie Jives
3 years ago

I knew I recognised the name ‘Shadrach’ from somewhere. I enjoyed the Sharpe’s Peril and Sharpe’s Challenge, but because I’d read the books they’re based on I couldn’t help comparing the two.

Yeah, Challenge in particular had all the same story beats as Sharpe’s Tiger. I’ve always wanted to see the Jetti fight on screen, so that was fun to finally watch. It wasn’t the best Sharpe film by any stretch, but it was well-cast (with the exception of Padma Lakshmi, who is a terrible actress) and held its own for the most part.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
3 years ago

*ANYTHING* that falls under due process or rights of the accused by definition “makes it easier to rape and get away with it” because it puts obstacles between accusation and punishment.

You’re dishonest and you’re an idiot, because we have due process in between accusation and punishment in order to determine whether someone is guilty. It’s not to make it more difficult to punish rapists. It’s to make sure we are punishing rapists and not innocent people. No justice is served to a rape victim if some random person is punished and the actual rapist goes free. So your whining about lynch mobs is not only ahistorical and racially offensive, it’s a red herring.

But this is neither here nor there, because you’re dishonest and an idiot in another way, which is that you jumped straight to capital punishment when the system actually in play is the student code of conduct system in higher education. Nobody ever went to jail from a college tribunal, let alone was hung. That’s a gross mischaracterization of the issue on your part.

In short, you’re a dishonest idiot and you should feel bad.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

I didn’t say David doxed Jack. Actually said someone doxed Jack and threatened him and his kid and expressly named David as to why he/she/etc would do such a thing, and I suggested that David might want to look at himself, his platform or his audience if people are using his writing as a reason to threaten children.

I never said you, personally falsely accused David of doxxing. I said you defended the people who falsely accused David of doxxing.

Also, are you saying that it’s okay to falsely accuse if they things that can be deemed inflammatory? For example, since Paul Elam calls women cunts and bitches, he should take a look at his own behavior if a woman falsely accuses him of rape?

If MRAs are going to position themselves as fighting against false accusations because they’re the worst, most life destroying things ever, you need to be consistent in that position and defend even people you don’t like against them.

Dimmy
Dimmy
3 years ago

Ooh, looks like Shadrach noticed me! Permit me a rebuttal:

THBBBBBPPPPPPPPPPHHHHHHT

Once again — you reeeeeeeally need to run this kind of thing past Meshach and Abednego. Could have saved yourself some carpal tunnel, with all this backtracking you’ve got to do now. “Oh, I didn’t REALLY mean feminists/Democrats/whoever were a lynch mob out to murder innocent people, I was just doing my best Maude Simpson ‘think of the children’ impression, honest! Buuuuuuuut I’m still going to act like a YUGE racist by deliberately ignoring Still Fiqah, and only Still Fiqah.”

Oh…you thought you could just sneak that one in under the radar? Cute, but: nah.

PeeVee the (Perpetually Ignored, Invisible but Noice) Sarcastic
PeeVee the (Perpetually Ignored, Invisible but Noice) Sarcastic
3 years ago

Have you actually looked at what college policies for dealing with accusations of misconduct look like at a few schools? Many of them have specific exceptions for sexual assault where protections granted for other accusations don’t apply any more, and most are pretty terrible to begin with.

You stupid, stupid person, these universities are under NO obligation to abandon the policies they put in place due to Obama’s Title IX guidelines. Fucking shove it with your goddamned duplicious nonsense.

Have you any idea what colleges and unversities USED to do? Look the other way. When rapes were called into the town PD, people were told to contact campus police. It was swept under the rug as a “campus crime.” And most of the time, campus police did nothing. THIS IS WHY CAMPUS ASSAULTS WERE THRUST INTO THE NATIONAL SPOTLIGHT IN THE FIRST PLACE.

Yanno, I can’t even with you. So tired of the people who pretend sexual assaults are a part of “the campus experience,” and every action taken address this is met by hostility from those denialists who think while campus rapes are non-existent, false rape accusations are somehow at some fucking all-time high.

I can’t, I can’t with this person. Mammotheers, carry on the refutation; this one is making me feel physically ill.

Dimmy
Dimmy
3 years ago

Also, commentariat: I’m sorry for asking a question you have, no doubt, fielded several dozen times…but how do you embed images in this forum? There’s a page from Gunnerkrigg Court that applies to our latest troll, here.

Dimmy
Dimmy
3 years ago

PeeVee: have you tried [nyoom]? Center yourself in the [nyoom]. Let the absurdities and the enormities of the outside world just [nyoom] away.

Lea
Lea
3 years ago

TW: rape and stalking.
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In spring of 1994 a student was gang raped by members of my college’s football team.
She went to the police.
They arrested the rapists, all 8 of them.
The football coach bailed them out.
In court they said the violent gang rape over a toilet was consensual sex. The judge said it must have been, because all 8 of them said so.
The victim dripped out. The rapists continued to live on campus and get cheered at every game.
That fall a man began stalking another student. She told the police. They told her that even though he’d pretended to be a student and sat in class in order to follow her, he’d broken no laws.
He tried to abduct her and broke her wrist in the struggle. She got away. She called the police. They told her never to go anywhere alone. Her sorority sisters began taking turns walking her to class. When they weren’t available, she had to call campus security to escort her. Once she drove herself. She parked under a street lamp only feetmfrom the door of her dorm. He was waiting. He raped her in the parking lot. She called the police. The rapist produced a movie ticket for a movie that played during the rape. They let him go. She dropped out.
A student was jogging in the basketball court. (because that was the safe place to run) A naked man in a clown mask jumped out at her and chased her. She called the police. Her sorority sisters thought it was so funny that they filled her bedroom with clown dolls. She dropped out.
At one point a man was cutting women with a box cutter when they walked home from class. We were told to be careful. Every women’s bathroom stall had instructions on how not to be raped on the door. It was a constant reminder that it was our job to not let men rape us and that we weren’t safe anywhere near that campus.
I had a stalker in ’95. My boyfriend started driving me to my night classess. I found out the stalker had actually lived in my hometown. He found out where I lived on campus and where my parents house was. He’s stalked and tried to assault various girls years before ’95. I was not his first, 3rd or 5th target. One was a cheerleader who cleaned his clock when he grabbed her. He’s done it at other schools too. His parents just kept moving him somewhere else.
My dad gave me a knife. I carried a body alarm. I told the school. They told him I was complaining about him. A professor told me he knew I was making trouble for him and to watch out. I decided not to go back in the fall.
He used to hang out at a local coffee shop and asking women to drive him home. A student I knew scared him off.
He started stalking a professor.
They finally kicked him out of school.

Do you see the pattern? Because that’s the end goal of this policy. They don’t want women seeking higher education.

That school? It advertised itself as the safest school in the south. Still does. And do you know how it does that? No convictions = no rapes, no stalkers, no assaults. They were never invested in keeping us safe. They were invested in keeping their reputation as “safe”.

This administration wants women back in the kitchen. No abortion. No contraception. Single mothers cannot file their taxes as breadwinner. Women can be paid less than men.

This is all by design. Don’t doubt for a second that they know what they’re doing. The right learned its lesson fighting abortion rights.They can’t just force women into unwanted marriages, unwanted motherhood and unwanted domestic servitude. So, like abortion rights, they’ll come at it from the sides. They’ll chip away and chip away until they get the outcome they want. They’re doing the same with ethnic cleansing and eugenics. We’re being gaslit the whole way. Don’t fall for it.

Lea
Lea
3 years ago

Schadrach,
Fuck off, you disgustingly dishonest piece of trash.

Fuck all the way off and keep fucking off until you find yourself on another plane of existence and then fuck off some more.

You aren’t worth any other response.

PeeVee the (Perpetually Ignored, Invisible but Noice) Sarcastic
PeeVee the (Perpetually Ignored, Invisible but Noice) Sarcastic
3 years ago

Dimmy, I am reaching for my inner [nyoom] right now, but I’d much rather Schadrach zoom off into the night, never to be seen on these hallowed pages again.

Austin Loomis
3 years ago

You aren’t worth any other response.

I don’t know, Lea. I think he’s worthy of my old S!N standby “Eat literally all the shit and die in a penis fire.”

PaganReader - Misandrist Spinster

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Still Fiqah
Still Fiqah
3 years ago

@Dimmy: I SAW that! I thought it was just me…alors, qu’est-ce qu’on fait? Racists are gonna racist.

SpukiKitty
SpukiKitty
3 years ago

Lea
September 8, 2017 at 5:26 pm

TW: rape and stalking.
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In spring of 1994 a student was gang raped by members of my college’s football team.
She went to the police.
They arrested the rapists, all 8 of them.
The football coach bailed them out.
In court they said the violent gang rape over a toilet was consensual sex. The judge said it must have been, because all 8 of them said so.
The victim dripped out. The rapists continued to live on campus and get cheered at every game.
That fall a man began stalking another student. She told the police. They told her that even though he’d pretended to be a student and sat in class in order to follow her, he’d broken no laws.
He tried to abduct her and broke her wrist in the struggle. She got away. She called the police. They told her never to go anywhere alone. Her sorority sisters began taking turns walking her to class. When they weren’t available, she had to call campus security to escort her. Once she drove herself. She parked under a street lamp only feetmfrom the door of her dorm. He was waiting. He raped her in the parking lot. She called the police. The rapist produced a movie ticket for a movie that played during the rape. They let him go. She dropped out.
A student was jogging in the basketball court. (because that was the safe place to run) A naked man in a clown mask jumped out at her and chased her. She called the police. Her sorority sisters thought it was so funny that they filled her bedroom with clown dolls. She dropped out.
At one point a man was cutting women with a box cutter when they walked home from class. We were told to be careful. Every women’s bathroom stall had instructions on how not to be raped on the door. It was a constant reminder that it was our job to not let men rape us and that we weren’t safe anywhere near that campus.
I had a stalker in ’95. My boyfriend started driving me to my night classess. I found out the stalker had actually lived in my hometown. He found out where I lived on campus and where my parents house was. He’s stalked and tried to assault various girls years before ’95. I was not his first, 3rd or 5th target. One was a cheerleader who cleaned his clock when he grabbed her. He’s done it at other schools too. His parents just kept moving him somewhere else.
My dad gave me a knife. I carried a body alarm. I told the school. They told him I was complaining about him. A professor told me he knew I was making trouble for him and to watch out. I decided not to go back in the fall.
He used to hang out at a local coffee shop and asking women to drive him home. A student I knew scared him off.
He started stalking a professor.
They finally kicked him out of school.

Do you see the pattern? Because that’s the end goal of this policy. They don’t want women seeking higher education.

That school? It advertised itself as the safest school in the south. Still does. And do you know how it does that? No convictions = no rapes, no stalkers, no assaults. They were never invested in keeping us safe. They were invested in keeping their reputation as “safe”.

This administration wants women back in the kitchen. No abortion. No contraception. Single mothers cannot file their taxes as breadwinner. Women can be paid less than men.

This is all by design. Don’t doubt for a second that they know what they’re doing. The right learned its lesson fighting abortion rights.They can’t just force women into unwanted marriages, unwanted motherhood and unwanted domestic servitude. So, like abortion rights, they’ll come at it from the sides. They’ll chip away and chip away until they get the outcome they want. They’re doing the same with ethnic cleansing and eugenics. We’re being gaslit the whole way. Don’t fall for it.

Makes sense!

Women need to fight and to bring this up.

In the meantime, women need to learn self-defense so that males can be totally owned by the stronger, superior female.

In prehistoric times, women were strong! Women fought the mighty sabretooth cat to protect her young.

Women need to regain their birthright. Women are just as strong as men….and him having more brawn means nothing when SHE HAS SPEED, FIRE AND SHAKTI!

Heed the lesson of the She-bear, folks….The male bear is TECHNICALLY bigger and stronger….but the female bear is still capable of owning him in a fight. Threaten her cubs and it’s GAME OVER, BOY!

This is a trait in ALL mammals! Women are primates! Primates are mammals! An angry ape is a SCARY ape!

If the authorities refuse to protect us, it is UP TO US to kick ass ourselves!

Males may technically have more physical strength but THAT MEANS NOTHING! It’s not the size of the dog in the fight but the size of the fight in the dog.

YES! We need to change the culture, fight the system and teach males to be real men and not misogynists….but women and girls still need to learn how to knock a rape-boy’s face into the pavement!

Women seem incapable of fighting men because we’ve been mentally primed with the lie for centuries that males a so much more powerful and we’re so weak and it messes up our psyches that we turn to jello when threatened by a guy who’s scrawny and the exact same size as us! How pitiful is that?! A strong, physically-fit woman who’s 5’8 being super-overpowered by a scrawny 5’8 guy!

LADY! HE’S JUST ANOTHER HUMAN BEING, NOT A RAMPAGING RHINO! HE’S NOT THAT INFINITELY STRONGER!

We need to get over the centuries of misogynist social programing and regain our inner-Xena!

We also need to hit the polls and vote those misogynist jerks out of office!

We need to have Feminists of all sexes run for office!

We need to accept Feminist male allies (and figure out a way to see if he’s ‘genuine’ or not)!

We need to stay the hell away from Frat Boys and Dumb Jocks! Deprive them! Don’t attend their dumbass parties! Go Lysistrata on them. Band together in all-girl cliques! Don our “Pussy-hats” and PROTEST AND DISRUPT UNTIL OUR NEEDS ARE MET!

We need SHAME bimbos like Betsy DeVos! SHAME HER! DEGRADE HER! DECLARE CHICKS LIKE HER NOT REAL WOMEN!

Finally: FEMINISTS NEED TO TAKE A PAGE FROM THE LGBTQ PLAYBOOK! I can’t stress this enough! They’re succeeding yet Feminists are faltering! It shouldn’t be that way! Since Homo/Transphobia and Misogyny are linked, Feminism should be thriving as much as as LGBTQ Rights….yet it isn’t! We need to copy what the LGBTQ is doing!….
https://mic.com/articles/52423/5-winning-strategies-feminists-can-learn-from-the-gay-rights-movement#.7e9PWWZZG
….an old article but still a good one!

Time to stop “playing nice” and being “lady-like”….TIME TO PUT THE FEAR OF THE FEMALE IN THE MISOGYNISTS TINY BRAINS!….comment image
….Even the heavily Patriarchal culture of India recognizes the POWER & FIRE INHERENT IN THE FEMININE! They most POWERFUL deities are FEMALE! The male deities’ are mere powerless corpses without the POWER of the FEMALE!

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I hope the tone of the above wasn’t too ridiculous but I’m ANGRY and ON FIRE! Ladies; WE are so much stronger than we think! We need to use our full power, embrace the true awesomeness of the Feminine, demand males (even masculine ones) embrace androgyny, reject the hulking macho guys, teach our sons to be feminists. Treat misogynist women like shit!

Macho Guys and Stepford Bimbos need to be made OUTCASTS! SHAMED! REVILED! RENDERED UNCOOL!

If guys are to “get with us”, they need to reject machismo!

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P.S. Dear misogynist rape-boys; Y’know….we ladies, too, are perfectly capable of drugging you to near-unconsciousness and raping you.

Just be thankful that we’re noble enough to NOT stoop that low!

epitome of incomprehensibility

I hope the tone of the above wasn’t too ridiculous

I’ve no problem with the tone, but I don’t want to say that Betsy De Vos isn’t a “real” woman; that’s what transphobic people say about trans people, and I don’t think we should echo that, however inadvertently. She’s a real woman. She’s also a terrible leader promoting terrible policies.

Anyway, there’s truth to what you’re saying, for example about social programming and how women are taught to be deferential.

Sorry if I sound picky (all work and no play makes me grouchy and prone to overuse semicolons; that’s a fact). 😉

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
3 years ago

@ epitome

prone to overuse semicolons

Nah, that’s like saying ‘too much garlic’; it’s innately illogical. 🙂

tim gueguen
3 years ago

And in Canada one of the major anti-feminist groups is REAL Women. Capitalisation is theirs.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
3 years ago

Macho Guys and Stepford Bimbos need to be made OUTCASTS! SHAMED! REVILED! RENDERED UNCOOL!

I think it’s time for you to calm down and think about what you’re typing before you hit the submit-comment button.

P.S. Dear misogynist rape-boys; Y’know….we ladies, too, are perfectly capable of drugging you to near-unconsciousness and raping you.

Just be thankful that we’re noble enough to NOT stoop that low!

This, for example, is so incredibly uncool that it makes me wonder about your motives.

kupo
kupo
3 years ago

In addition to what PoM said, don’t tell me how to be a woman. Don’t assume that I don’t know how to be strong or that I don’t recognize my own strength. Don’t yell at me in ALL CAPS about shit I’ve been dealing with for decades that’s not new or even particularly interesting after wading through the cess pool that is the manosphere day after day.

And whatever the fuck you do, don’t call me a motherfucking lady.

dr. ej
dr. ej
3 years ago

We need SHAME bimbos like Betsy DeVos! SHAME HER! DEGRADE HER! DECLARE CHICKS LIKE HER NOT REAL WOMEN!

This is also not cool. This is an insult that is frequently used against trans women and using it in this context implies that women who don’t meet some arbitrary standard are somehow inferior. Speaking up against reprehensible ideas is necessary, but we need to do it in a way that doesn’t hurt others.

SpukiKitty
SpukiKitty
3 years ago

Sorry for some of the stuff I said. Sorry for using the word “lady” (I had no idea it was sexist). Sorry for that last bit about women raping men in revenge. Sorry for saying that misogynist women are not true women (though it didn’t mean that literally). Sorry for the overall over-the-top tone and words.

My motives are the same as most here. I’m a woman who’s a feminist who hates misogyny.

I’m a regular poster at FSTDT so anyone here who knows me from there knows I am “fer reals”.

I also have some mental and anger issues. Sorry.

kupo
kupo
3 years ago

*Sigh* I didn’t say the word ‘ladies’ is sexist. I said not to call me one. Don’t put words in my mouth.

SpukiKitty
SpukiKitty
3 years ago

kupo
September 9, 2017 at 11:43 pm

*Sigh* I didn’t say the word ‘ladies’ is sexist. I said not to call me one. Don’t put words in my mouth.

I misunderstood. Sorry.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
3 years ago

My motives are the same as most here. I’m a woman who’s a feminist who hates misogyny.

I don’t really know you so I can’t know if this is true except by your behavior.

You come across as feeling so passionately about some things that you don’t think very hard about what you’re actually saying. You apologize very freely but I’m not sure that you always understand why what you said was questionable. I’m not here to tutor you, and I’m not going to quiz you on it like a grade school teacher, but I will say that sometimes your screeds are harmful to your stated goals and frankly make my side look bad, and I’m not convinced that you grasp that.

I think both you and feminism would be better served if you would take a brief breather before you post to re-read what you’ve typed and think about what it says. Gender essentialism is one of the hardest habits to kick, and sometimes kicking it requires a lot of self-reflection and work. Please put in that work, for the sake of yourself and feminism both.