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Is this buxom fictional slattern the very first rider of the infamous “cock carousel?”

I’m not sure I want to know what a broken cock carousel looks like

By David Futrelle

For years I’ve been chronicling the manosphere’s obsession with the so-called “cock carousel,” that wondrous merry-go-round of endless zipless sex allegedly enjoyed by every twentysomething Western woman, but off-limits to all Western men except the Chadliest top twenty percent.

Well, it looks like I’ve finally found the first rider of this sex-go-round, and she’s a bosomy fictional slattern named Elaine, brought to life in the 1963 pulp novel This is Elaine by someone called Jason Hytes. If the front cover is any indication, Elaine was not really that into shirts.

I have not read the book — which you can purchase used for $28.50 on Amazon — but the back cover gives a bit more detail on the perverse world of Elaine and her naughty friends.

Wait, wouldn’t the carousel have to still be working for anyone to get off?

H/T — @pulplibrarian, whose tweet was pointed out to me by former regular WHTM commenter @pecunium; I found the back cover on Pop Sensation.

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Pie
Pie
3 years ago

@dcfcfan1

Now it has turned into a women-hating sham

Can you point at when this happened? You talk of “a generation of bitter young men”. How long do you suppose MGTOW has existed for?

It was meant to be about self improving and not feeling ashamed of not getting a gf/married/living up to “societies” standards.

The road to hell might not be paved with “it wasn’t meant to be about x”, but I think it makes up quite a lot of the signage on the way. In this case though, I don’t think it was ever meant to be about positive things. From day 1 it was “i’m not getting what i want, so fuck you, i’m going on man-strike”. There was no self-improvement; it was meant to punish the feeemales who’d soon come crawling for the manly mans who make society go.

You can wring your hands and wish it were otherwise all you like, but you’d be better off dumping the toxic brand and its malignant followers and doing something new.

Robert Walker-Smith
Robert Walker-Smith
3 years ago

Eastport, Maine? Given the geography, wouldn’t a port there have to be East?

Regarding porn novels trying to qualify as non-porn – there was a period during which ‘redeeming social value’ was the legal fig leaf. The pulp novel would have an earnest forward describing the r.s.v., which was often unintentionally amusing.

“Political oppression, legally sanctioned abuses of power, corrupt officials – all these can turn incarceration from a necessary function of organized society into a nightmare in which the innocent and naive can be exploited by the wicked and cruel. ‘Punished Prison Punks’ – a gripping tale of man’s inhumanity.”

I also read one that was clearly Jean-Michel Basquiat fanfic, which was just bizarre.

Weird (thumper of trumpanzees) Eddie
Weird (thumper of trumpanzees) Eddie
3 years ago

@ dcfcfan1

It was meant to be about self improving and not feeling ashamed of not getting a gf/married/living up to “societies” standards. Now it has turned into a women-hating sham

And the Tea Party was meant to be a revolt against bailing out the financial institutions, and that lasted just about as long. Not meant literally, I really don’t have a sense of when “pua… mra… mgtow (mickey moouuuse… mickey…) really started. I remember the “Charles Atlas body-building course” ads in comix when I was a kid (early-mid-60s), and this HAD to be at least an element of the culture (the ads, anyway), and, of course, there was the literary masterpiece “How to Pick Up Girls” from the same comix, circa late-60s

Much of the current incantation of this nonsense was in place, but it really increased in volume and abrasiveness after Gator-Game… er, Gamer-Game… uh, Gamer-Gate, which was a kerfuffle which turned out to be NOT about a woman’s sex life, OR about games, gamers, or gates, but about gamer-ettes intruding on the last refuge available to immature gamers.

I think it’s been around a while, maybe since social awkardness has been around and since the socially awkward needed a target for their frustration….

ETA: added link to “How to…”

p.s., gotta love google, I checked “How to pick up girls” 1960s, got a bunch of ads for 1960’s era pickup trucks… 🙂

Weird (thumper of trumpanzees) Eddie
Weird (thumper of trumpanzees) Eddie
3 years ago

Wise words from Our Lady of San Francisco…

🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

The tea party comparison actually works. It was always an astroturf movement, not grassroots. Just as MGTOW claims it’s about men being happily single when really it’s all about misogyny.

Weird (thumper of trumpanzees) Eddie
Weird (thumper of trumpanzees) Eddie
3 years ago

@wwth;

And the T.P. got hijacked instantaneously by a cartel of wealthy (ish) conservative vultures looking for some “white-man-frustrated-feels” to feast upon… the rest is history… see Faux News. On second, thought, don’t.

Speaking of “don’t”, I read a bit of the SplinterNews review of “HtPUG”. the tome referenced in earlier post. I didn’t get far into it. The review, not the book. The review. Yeesh, if any of the mra’s actually DID read it, it certainly goes a long way to explaining their attitude. EXPLAINING it, not justifying or excusing it. Damn, what 1950’s Madison Avenue nightmare DRIVEL.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

Well, no. It never got hijacked by the wealthy because it was the wealthy that started it in the first place. Just as MGTOW never got hijacked by the misogynists because it was always a misogynist group. That was my point.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
3 years ago

The Tea Party originated as a plausible way for mainstream Republicans to attack Obama from behind a shield of angry racists. It actually kind of got away from them eventually, running primary races in safe Republican districts, and turned into the Freedom Caucus, which today causes no end of headaches for House Republicans.

So you have it exactly backwards there, Weird Eddie.

JS
JS
3 years ago

Look, gamergate was really about ethics in game journalism!!!111!1!1!!1!1 (/sarcasm)

That, and the “Sad/Rabid Puppies” Hugo hijack were what started me seriously thinking something was really wrong with social media. I’d thought it was just a waste of time before. Now it looks like the opposite of an “internet immune system”, where people with all sorts of odd beliefs can easily find people who agree with them. Partially a good thing, but so much has gone utterly wrong with it these days.

Then Pizzagate (and other similar “chase the wrong thing” stories) came along, and showed me just how wrong reddit can be.

Twitter’s covered in bots and people who apparently think Trump is wonderful.

Weird (thumper of trumpanzees) Eddie
Weird (thumper of trumpanzees) Eddie
3 years ago

@ PoM, wwth;

So you have it exactly backwards there, Weird Eddie.

semitemos taht od I…

Yes, that adds up. I remember from the early days of the bank bail-out, a bunch of angry-conservative-types commenting on conservative sites against the bank bailout, and I’d counted that as the “genesis” of what became the T.P. It could have been that, and then been co-opted (or hijacked… 🙂 ) by a cartel of mega-churchies, Koch Brothers politicians and Silly Sarah Palin for comic relief..

Do you all think it was planned all along to be turned toward right-wing big-machine politics?? I’m not on a conspiracy bent, here, but if anyone WAS to conspire, the Koch Bros. would do it!

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
3 years ago

Do you all think it was planned all along to be turned toward right-wing big-machine politics??

Yes, but not in the way it actually did. It’s a monster that bog-standard Republicans created as an outlet for the Republican id, and it’s evolved beyond their control.

Weird (thumper of trumpanzees) Eddie
Weird (thumper of trumpanzees) Eddie
3 years ago

monster that bog-standard Republicans created as an outlet for the Republican id, and it’s evolved beyond their control.

Indeed, Dr. Frankenstein’s creation is on it’s own… and it’s turned out to be not the gentle intellectual giant from Dame Wollstonecraft’s novel, but rather Karloff’s terrifying monster.

I hesitate to say we’re in this mess with the ‘publican’ts, but I fear we are. The monster could well destroy the ‘publican’t party, but it could also destroy our democracy (such as it is) at the same time.

Unfortunately, no one can un-ring that bell.

CS
CS
3 years ago

@ dcfcfan1

It’s fairly possible to get into a toxic community like MGTOW or Gamergate because someone who either believes it or is really good at selling it tells you it’s about “it’s okay to be single”(?) or “ethics in games journalism”. Sometimes, you even get pocket communities that are less about hating women and largely behave as though the media-friendly version of their message is the real one, at least for a while. Then you start talking to people from the larger community, or it starts seeping into your group, and they start talking more about SJWs and hating on women and feminists, and it can look and feel like toxic voices are taking over your beloved community instead of that you’ve just peeled back the surface and discovered what was always there.

It’s like how you can have people who are nominally Republican or of a very conservative Christian sect but not hate racial minorities or gay people. I’ve had acquaintances and colleagues in men who peripherally support gamergate but don’t hate women. I haven’t really known any non-women-hating MGTOWs, but by definition they would probably have avoided socializing with a woman. That doesn’t mean these movements are about what a less toxic subsection of them wishes they were, and if the subsection stays in the movement and ignores those issues instead of breaking off to form their own, they aren’t *against* the hate either, and their support is taken as implicit agreement. I’d love for it to be possible that some of them are staying to try to make the movement live up to what it was sold to them as, but they can only go so far before they have to be willfully ignorant that the movement is, at its core, about those toxic views and to try to change that would mean a complete takeover.

You can mourn the idea of the community/movement you thought you had, but even if some part of the MGTOW community that wasn’t about hate existed, it now has rabies and needs to be put down.

Victorious Parasol
Victorious Parasol
3 years ago

Speaking of toxic communities, I found this look at the so-called “alt-right” interesting:

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/09/was-charlottesville-a-turning-point-for-the-alt-right/538824/

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
3 years ago

@ vicky p

I found this look at the so-called “alt-right” interesting:

That was interesting. Although must confess I don’t share all her inferences and conclusions. There may be some ‘in it for the lulz’ types who now wish to dissociate from the far right because the reality of what they were supporting and facilitating has smacked them round the chops; but from my, admittedly limited, observations I’d say the main reaction is to be emboldened.

I think for most of them, the events of Charlottesville were less shocking than exciting. It’s their apocalyptic ubermenschen fantasies being played out for real. It may be a vicarious enjoyment, but it’s positive reinforcement nevertheless.

Other opinions equally valid, and probably better reasoned, of course.

Dalillama: Irate Social Engineer

@Ellesar

It is very telling that both slattern and slut actually refer to dirtiness and an unkempt appearance in women, but are both almost exclusively used now to insult a promiscuous or presumed promiscuous, or indeed ANY woman or girl, regardless of her appearance.

The transistion being via classism mixed with misogyny; ‘slattern’ at one time meant scullery maid/female menial. Anf of course such folks, being poor and at rhe bottom of the class structure, were routinely sexually abused by male employers and indeed coworkers and had no recourse. Cue victim blaming.

Victorious Parasol
Victorious Parasol
3 years ago

@ Alan

Yes, I agree that all the inferences and conclusions may not be quite as solid as the author has constructed them, and certainly I can believe that certain segments of the far right have taken inspiration from Charlottesville. Though I can also believe that the more casual far right types may have decided to distance themselves from the movement (and if so, groovy) – but remember how the Isla Vista shooting gave the incel movement a new martyr-saint?

I’m still digesting the article, so I may think something else later.

Weird (thumper of trumpanzees) Eddie
Weird (thumper of trumpanzees) Eddie
3 years ago

Ahh, shit, can I say something about “P.C. culture”, or rather about the phrase “P.C. culture”?

“Political Correctness” is a strawman, invented by people who like to swear in public. The purpose of the term is to denigrate the perfectly acceptable idea that ITS RUDE TO SWEAR IN PUBLIC!

I hate that phrase with seven purple passions!! What it means, what “Political Correctness” means, at least the way trump, the trumpanzees, and other mean-spirited people use the phrase, it means TREATING OTHERS WITH DIGNITY!

THAT’S ALL!

It means, “no, it’s not acceptable to demean someone because they don’t look like me, aren’t a member of my church, aren’t as able as me, and on.”

My father taught me that when I was THREE!!! WHEN THE FUCK DID IT BECOME “OK” TO BE RUDE???

My go-to response to being accused of “going all P.C.” is to point out that I’m not objecting to the other person’s politics, I’m objecting to their rudeness.

kupo
kupo
3 years ago

@Eddie
It’s literally the same as “polite.”

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
3 years ago

@Weird Eddie
It’s Plain Courtesy.

In my recollection, this term (which smacks of Soviet-speak) was used jokingly by the left. Then Bush the elder got hold of the term — and so did the rest of the right, most of whom are CA (complete assholes).

(((Podkayne Lives)))
(((Podkayne Lives)))
3 years ago

TBH, Wonton Behavior sounds like an awesome name for a Chinese restaurant.

I once had a student turn in a paper in which, due to a spellcheck problem, she told me that Act 4 of Much Ado About Nothing ‘descends into wonton violence’.

Dalillama: Irate Social Engineer

descends into wonton violence’.

FOOOOOOD FIIIIGHT!!!!!

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

Wontons are too delicious to use as weapons. As are bonbons.

Troubelle: Moonbeam Malcontent + Bard of the New Movement
Troubelle: Moonbeam Malcontent + Bard of the New Movement
3 years ago

I prefer dumplings, on the whole.

Fishy Goat
Fishy Goat
3 years ago

@(((Podkayne Lives)))

she told me that Act 4 of Much Ado About Nothing ‘descends into wonton violence’.

Now I’m visualizing Kenneth Branagh, Emma Thompson, Denzel Washington, Keanu Reeves, Brian Blessed, Kate Beckinsale and the rest of the main cast having a food fight at a local Florentine chinese restaurant. 😉

EJ (the Scheming Liberal Race-Traitor)

Bonbons are redeemed as weapons by the fact that they can often survive impact, meaning that if you’re fighting in a fairly clean space then you can eat them afterwards.

Zephkiel
Zephkiel
3 years ago

@fishy goat

I am 100% sure Brian Blessed wins that fight. If only because he chews everything flung at him.

Also, who back in page 1 came up with the idea of “Cock Dodgems”? Because I am still giggling about it and will be giggling about it for days to come.

kiki
kiki
3 years ago

mgtow (mickey moouuuse… mickey…)

Who’s the gang of assholes
That are toxic through and through?
Em! Gee! Tee! Oh! Dou-ble Yew!

Pie
Pie
3 years ago

@Weird Eddie

My go-to response to being accused of “going all P.C.” is to point out that I’m not objecting to the other person’s politics, I’m objecting to their rudeness.

A quick look at the modern political climate suggests that in order to go be correct from the general point of view of the electorate you’ll need to work on your unreasoning bigotry and general white nationalism. People who whine about political correctness seem not to have noticed this, and so have it all backwards…

Moggie
Moggie
3 years ago

Zephkiel:

Also, who back in page 1 came up with the idea of “Cock Dodgems”? Because I am still giggling about it and will be giggling about it for days to come.

My work here is done.

Also, Eastport sounds like such a generic name: I’m guessing that it’s meant to be an Everytown, not the real Maine town. Like Springfield or Townsville (Townsville is a real place in Queensland, which is not protected by the Powerpuff Girls).

Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
3 years ago

@Moggie

Townsville is a real place in Queensland, which is not protected by the Powerpuff Girls

But how do they deal with the monster attacks?

dslucia
dslucia
3 years ago

@Axe “Danger” Calibur:

But how do they deal with the monster attacks?

They’re from Australia.

They’re raised to deal with monster attacks.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
3 years ago

Peripherally related to the ‘women at work’ theme, someone just sent me this and I thought it might make a nice trivia quiz for you.

What was this woman’s profession?

(She’s at work in the picture)

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Croquembouche, extrenely mamal omen
Croquembouche, extrenely mamal omen
3 years ago

Townsville is a real place in Queensland, which is not protected by the Powerpuff Girls

But how do they deal with the monster attacks?

Trap and relocate, generally.
(CW for photo of 4.8 metre python)
http://www.townsvillebulletin.com.au/news/townsville-snake-handler-wrangles-monster-48m-scrub-python/news-story/118c1f30dd95e77e3ff5b58cd6dc0ef0

Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
3 years ago

@dslucia
Yeah, you right. Spiders with health bars, giant possums who can kickbox, Imorton Joe’s War Boys. Stay strong, Aussies!

@Croquembouche
O.o I’d be afraid to look that thing in the eyes. Might turn me to stone…

Dormousing_it
Dormousing_it
3 years ago

@Weird Eddie

You’re 100% correct about the P.C. culture thing. When did it become acceptable to be rude to others? It’s almost as if, today, common courtesy towards others is taken as a sign of weakness.

It reminds me of an old NYT Cheeto interview I read awhile back. Anyway, His Orangeness mentioned that, in his opinion, “most people simply aren’t deserving of respect”. I suppose it’s a sign of my age, quaint beliefs, and liberalness, that this truly shocked me. I’ve always felt that everyone deserved a certain –
rock-bottom in some cases – degree of respect.

Sorry to bring up the Tangerine. I’m obsessive by nature, and I can’t stop ruminating about the disaster that he is for the US and the world.

Croquembouche, extrenely mamal omen
Croquembouche, extrenely mamal omen
3 years ago

S@ Axe, our pythons are pretty chill actually, as long as you are larger than a wallaby or toddler. I’m pretty sure one is living in our ceiling right now, and that’s why rats aren’t chewing through our wiring up there any more. I refuse to consider the possibility the large heavy slithery thing I hear moving up there is a venomous, aggressive snake.
ETA: Alan, I assume I heard about knocker uppers via Pterry Pratchett, but didn’t realise some used peashooters. Would not work for me.

Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
3 years ago

@Croquembouche

I refuse to consider the possibility the large heavy slithery thing I hear moving up there is a venomous, aggressive snake

Of course it’s not. Ceiling snek is just nice, shy snek 😀

Dormousing_it
Dormousing_it
3 years ago

@Croquembouche

Reminds me of a situation in Florida, years ago, where a very large snake, a python or boa constrictor, I don’t remember, was removed from underneath someone’s house. The snake was an escaped pet. I seem to remember it as being thicker than the snake in your link. Cats were missing from the neighborhood. I wonder if small children were missing, as well, seeing how huge that thing was.

The “snake catcher” who finally captured it was thrilled. He talked about it like he’d won the lottery, or had the sexual experience of a lifetime.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

I remember reading an article about how in the 18th or 19th century (this was years ago so I’m fuzzy on details), a trendy game for young upper class people was to find inventive ways to tease and harass homeless disabled people.

Anyway, point is, it’s tempting to engage in nostalgia for a past when people were more polite and to view people these days as more mean, but it’s a total myth.

I don’t think whines about PC culture have much to do with people not wanting to be polite. It’s a backlash against hateful language becoming much less socially acceptable. People aren’t mad that they have to be polite. Most of the people who complain about PC are perfectly willing and able to be polite to people they perceive as either their equal or their better. People are mad that they have to disguise their bigotry a little bit.

Big Head
Big Head
3 years ago

@ Weird Eddie:

“What it means, what “Political Correctness” means, at least the way trump, the trumpanzees, and other mean-spirited people use the phrase, it means TREATING OTHERS WITH DIGNITY!

THAT’S ALL!

It means, “no, it’s not acceptable to demean someone because they don’t look like me, aren’t a member of my church, aren’t as able as me, and on.” ”

I totally agree.

What I don’t get, however, is where the connection with the concept of Free Speech is derived.

I mean, as far as I seem to understand it (please correct me if I am mistaken) doesn’t the Free Speech concept apply only to the restriction of the U.S. Government from dictating what an American citizen should hold as personal opinion, or speak about publicly?

Or does it have something to do with more than individual liberties vs. Government directive?

Or, to put it another way, can one individual (in a wholly private capacity) impinge or restrict the Free Speech of another?

Big Head
Big Head
3 years ago

Sorry, that should read:

“impinge upon or restrict the Free Speech of another?”

opposablethumbs
opposablethumbs
3 years ago

@WWTH,

… in the 18th or 19th century (this was years ago so I’m fuzzy on details), a trendy game for young upper class people was to find inventive ways to tease and harass homeless disabled people.

Unfortunately it never went out of fashion (see: “Bullingdon Club”)

seconding Croquembouche re knocker-upper.

Gussie Jives
Gussie Jives
3 years ago

There may be some ‘in it for the lulz’ types who now wish to dissociate from the far right because the reality of what they were supporting and facilitating has smacked them round the chops; but from my, admittedly limited, observations I’d say the main reaction is to be emboldened.

I personally never bought “for the lulz” as an excuse for any of these chucklenuts’ behaviour. It’s always been a figleaf of plausible deniability, basically just another way of saying “The normies can’t prove I was serious, so I’m going to just tell them it was a joke, even though my fellow Pepes know I was pretty much serious about my contempt for those different than me! So long, suckers!”

What’s key is how much they’re willing to risk in whatever lives they have. It’s never a good sign when they’ve been emboldened to the point of marching in broad daylight, but now that a lot of them are feeling the heat in their lives, I think the social ostracism will have them questioning whether its worth it.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
3 years ago

@ croquembouche & opposablethumbs

I heard about knocker uppers via Pterry Pratchett, but didn’t realise some used peashooters. Would not work for me.

Congratulations!

Maybe it’s like those alarm clocks that get progressively louder. She starts with the pea-shooter and if that doesn’t work she just lobs a brick?

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
3 years ago

@ big head

Or, to put it another way, can one individual (in a wholly private capacity) impinge or restrict the Free Speech of another?

In human rights law there’s a distinction between ‘vertical effect’ and ‘horizontal effect’. The former is where a government body restricts the relevant freedom. That’s always actionable.

The latter is when a right is inhibited by a non state actor. That’s less vigorously scrutinised by courts; but it can be subject to judicial review.

I can’t think of any first amendment applications off hand though. It’s usually stuff like one group of citizens killing or persecuting another group. Then you can bring a claim against the government for infringing your rights by omission as a result of them not intervening to prevent that.

Moggie
Moggie
3 years ago

Alan:

Maybe it’s like those alarm clocks that get progressively louder. She starts with the pea-shooter and if that doesn’t work she just lobs a brick?

Can’t swipe left on a brick.

Dormousing_it:

The “snake catcher” who finally captured it was thrilled. He talked about it like he’d won the lottery, or had the sexual experience of a lifetime.

Could this be the answer for incels?

Gussie Jives
Gussie Jives
3 years ago

People are mad that they have to disguise their bigotry a little bit.

I actually think it goes deeper than that. People like to think they have life figured out by a certain point. They settle into a rhythm where they can say to themselves that they’re fundamentally “good people.” But then here’s a bunch of people coming along to say “yeah, life’s rhythm ain’t so good for us and you’ve been participating in a system that’s been oppressing the shit out of us.” What they hear is “white people are evil” and that’s perceived as an attack on that sense of goodness they’ve built up. The default reaction is to dismiss this new information in a kind of “Don’t you tell me what to do!” whine. Unfortunately, there’s an entire apparatus willing to exploit that default reaction and that’s what gives rise to deplorables, but my point is that more than just the need to express bigoted thoughts, their fragile senses of selves feel under attack by the mere existence of those they’ve felt license to ignore for all this time.

Dormousing_it
Dormousing_it
3 years ago

@Moggie

Heh. Poor snakes! No one should have to put up with those guys.

Jimbtho
Jimbtho
3 years ago

I find the whole idea of the ‘cock carousel’ to be one of those points where the Manosphere just parts company with morality. I saw it in some Red Pill glossary once: the idea is that women in their prime years (generally assumed by these assholes to be under 30, if not younger) will bounce from one ‘alpha’ to the other (as many as possible) before either snagging a ‘beta provider’ and settling down, or hitting ‘the Wall’ and living out some half-life as a used-up…ya get the picture. As with lots of these attempts by Manospherians to describe Reality, it’s important to remember that ‘women’ does not describe actual real women, but ‘how the guy who wrote this thinks the women he finds attractive behave, in his head’.