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Labor Day Tribute to the Grotesque Old Party

Donald Trump: U mad, bro?

By David Futrelle

Happy Labor Day, insofar as this can be a happy day considering all the horrendous things going on in the world at the moment. I’m foregoing a regular post today to put up this visual tribute to the Party of Trump. Consider this an open thread to discuss what shits these people are.

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MrsObedMarsh
MrsObedMarsh
3 years ago

Piers Morgan bragged about “manning up” by doing his show with three broken ribs on Twitter:
https://twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/904389024697200643?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fforums.somethingawful.com%2Fshowthread.php%3Fthreadid%3D3751104%26userid%3D0%26perpage%3D40%26pagenumber%3D1172

The comments are mostly people talking about how they’ve done way harder stuff than sitting and talking with relatively minor injuries.

Weatherwax
Weatherwax
3 years ago

@MrsObedMarsh

Piers Morgan bragged about “manning up” by doing his show with three broken ribs

So far as I can tell, Piers Morgan’s job is to sit still on a sofa and hold forth on topics of the day in front of a woman humouring him. How is this different from what he would be doing at home?

ETA Maybe the woman at home is less inclined to humour him, as she isn’t on camera.

KindaSortaHarmless
KindaSortaHarmless
3 years ago

Are broken ribs not as serious as they sound? I’ve never broken a bone, but from what I’ve heard they’re very painful.

Paradoxical Intention - Leader of the Deathclaw Damsels

Man, it’s fucking telling that we have a day where office workers can take off, but minimum wage workers are still expected to show up on time so the office workers can have their day-off coffee.

Also, Story Time:

I had an interview scheduled for a temp agency today, so I was really nervous and couldn’t sleep. In fact, I only got like five hours sleep, and most of it was really restless since Sheogorath was kicking my ass with anxiety.

So, I manage to get up, and my roommate (who had the day off solely because it was Monday, not because it was Labor Day), takes me to the office which is a five minute drive away.

Turns out their fucking office was closed and there was no one there.

So I have to call them tomorrow and ask the lady who scheduled me what the fuck was up with that, scheduling me for a day she KNEW the office would be closed for, and I had no idea that it would be.

Of course, I’m going to be polite about it, but I lost sleep and had a huge anxiety episode over this, so I’m a bit salty.

PeeVee the (Perpetually Ignored, Invisible but Noice) Sarcastic
PeeVee the (Perpetually Ignored, Invisible but Noice) Sarcastic
3 years ago

PI,

Well, that was shitty…I know about the “night before” anxiety sleeplessness all too well. Sympathy to you.

KindaSorta,

Yeah, broken ribs hurt, and it’s painful as all one can do is wrap them and watch how one breathes, but I tend to think it was his “For the more fragile snowflakes among you, this is called ‘manning up'” that rankled people, because, well, Piers is awful.

Virgin Mary
Virgin Mary
3 years ago

I can’t figure out Piers Morgan, whether he is a paid up establishment shill or not, because he tends to blow with the wind. He appeared in Keith Allen’s documentary ‘Unlawfull Killing’ about the death of Princess Diana, which makes me think maybe he’s not as cut and dried as he seems. Diana, I believe was murdered, the crown did not want an independent woman liaising with a non white man. I think that Piers has MI6 connections, he isn’t just a talk show buffoon.

Iseult The Idle
Iseult The Idle
3 years ago

Broken ribs are painful, but if you’re not moving around too much or breathing too deeply you can sit up and talk.

Mind you, I don’t know what else Mr. Morgan’s job entails, any more than I understand why working in pain is a “manning up” thing. Women do it all the time.

BritterSweet
3 years ago

Please let the creepy pictures do their work. Get them all fired! Please!!

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
3 years ago

Echoing BritterSweet: Katie, recall these individuals from their posts. Bind their power. Place them where they can never hurt anyone or anything again.

Antarctica springs to mind. They can bunk down there with the scientists, maybe bring them hot tea and such. Just a thought.

Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
3 years ago

@Weatherwax:

Maybe the woman at home is less inclined to humour him, as she isn’t on camera.

Or being paid some ridiculous sum of money to do so…

@Paradoxical Intention:

Man, it’s fucking telling that we have a day where office workers can take off, but minimum wage workers are still expected to show up on time so the office workers can have their day-off coffee.

This suggests an obvious tactic: food service employees hold a strike on Labor Day. It would make a strong point. Labor Day should be for the working class, not the freaking bourgeoisie!

Sheogorath

Who?

@Brittersweet, David:

Please let the creepy pictures do their work. Get them all fired! Please!!

I hear the Mueller investigation is closing in, getting more details about the Russians meeting Trumpies during the primaries to exchange “information damaging to Clinton” and about Kushner’s shady business dealings and assorted bits of underwater real estate. I think Kushner’s up to his eyeballs in this, probably owing money to the wrong people (Russian mob etc.) amongst other things. Mueller is bringing in forensic accountants and an IRS task force that focuses (naturally) on tax evasion investigations. They’re following the money.

David, do you take requests? I’m curious to see what that app will do to pictures of Trumpies if the template is Edvard Munch’s “The Scream”. 🙂

Dormousing_it
Dormousing_it
3 years ago

@Paradoxical Intention

I can commiserate, about minimum wage workers always having to work on Labor Day, Memorial Day, etc, and only the office workers getting these days off. This always bugged me too, when I was a fast food worker or a supermarket cashier, decades ago. As I remember, businesses used to always get mobbed on these days, and we were always understaffed.
Now, I’m grateful to get these days off. The last place I want to be, is in a department store shopping on a beautiful late-summer day.

That sucks about your job interview.

RosieLa
RosieLa
3 years ago

Totally unrelated, but this thread reminds me of how difficult it was for me to reach up into the cupboard to get a cup when someone broke/bruised my ribs. The day my cup disappeared from the counter (since I could reach it there) was totally devastating.

Bobbie LobBomb
Bobbie LobBomb
3 years ago

I mean, broken ribs are painful and all, but I think the doctor’s advice is “Don’t do any heavy lifting”, not “Stay off the sofa”. LOL

Scildfreja Unnyðnes
Scildfreja Unnyðnes
3 years ago

I’m so sorry about that interview, Paradoxy, that’s awful! You dun wanna work for those people 😐 I mean, any income is good, but wowww.

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
3 years ago

@RosieLa

Totally unrelated, but this thread reminds me of how difficult it was for me to reach up into the cupboard to get a cup when someone broke/bruised my ribs. The day my cup disappeared from the counter (since I could reach it there) was totally devastating.

I’m sorry to hear that someone hurt your ribs. I hope that it was an accident.

I can relate to the difficulty of moving through life when a bone is broken. I’m getting over a broken wrist and am really happy that I can now lift heavy pots and otherwise fend for myself.

Stay well.

Zephkiel
Zephkiel
3 years ago

Do workers in the US get paid more for working on a public holiday? Here if you work on Labour Day you get paid time-and-a-half plus get a paid day off in lieu.

Since I work in an office, but I’m a contractor rather than an employee, I have to take the day off since the office is closed, but I don’t get paid since I can only bill the hours which I work. Frankly I’d rather get paid than have the day off.

iknklast
iknklast
3 years ago

Do workers in the US get paid more for working on a public holiday

Depends on the office. I never did; my brother-in-law does. But then, he works in a hospital, where he makes gadzillion dollars an hour for handing out breathing treatments and standing in the room while the person uses the inhaler. I was working fast food.

I will say this about getting the day off: when I was working manual labor, I did not want the day off. I did not get paid when I had the day off. December was particularly hard, being closed so frequently. Until hourly employees get paid time off for holidays, it is often a bad thing for them when the business is closed; I was trying to raise a teenager on my own with no other income, and losing a day made it impossible. So the problem is that we don’t treat hourly labor well in any way at all – no paid leave, no paid holidays, often no insurance, rarely overtime (I found when working for Taco Bell that there are ways you can count time that can allow you to work people overtime without actually paying any overtime. It depends on how you count the hours).

Bobbie LobBomb
Bobbie LobBomb
3 years ago

You used to be able to reasonably be expected to get a bonus, time and a half, or something for working on Labor day. No more. ‘Cause, Capitalism.

numerobis
numerobis
3 years ago

No paid holidays? What manner of barbarism is that! Quebec law is pretty clear that employees get paid holidays (which by and large means you get paid for the holiday — and if you work on the holiday, you also get paid to work.)

PaganReader - Misandrist Spinster

Do workers in the US get paid more for working on a public holiday

Depends on the job. My mother has in home health care workers come in three days a week, she didn’t have one come in today since the company doesn’t have holiday pay.

iknklast
iknklast
3 years ago

You used to be able to reasonably be expected to get a bonus, time and a half, or something for working on Labor day

Not in my lifetime. For the past 40 years at least, hourly workers were at the mercy of their boss as to whether they got anything extra for Labor Day. And I can tell you from personal experience that none of the following did then (and almost certainly do not now): McDonald’s, Wendy’s, Taco Bell, Pizza Hut, Sirloin Stockade, or Dillard’s. In addition, I never knew a small mom and pop business to pay time and a half for labor day, and in many cases didn’t even pay minimum wage because they had an exemption. And that was in non-tip jobs, so there was no “make your minimum wage from tips”. You made $1.65 an hour, and that was that. (Minimum wage at the time was, I think, $3.50).

Hospitals often give generous bonuses for working on holidays, because they have to be staffed. But they make up for it by the enormous costs they pass on to the patients.

Weatherwax
Weatherwax
3 years ago

Apologies all. I did not mean to make light of the pain of broken ribs. I meant to make light of being Piers Morgan.

ETA See also making Susanna Reid (if I’ve got her name right) sound vain. She deserves every penny she earns for her astounding self-control in the face of awfulness.

abars01
abars01
3 years ago

Folks, what do you suppose will be the ultimate direction or fate of the Republican Party in the next few decades? Do you believe that we really are in the midst of an extinction burst? That the West-wide outburst of right-wing vitriol since 2008 is because they know that their days are unstoppably numbered? That it’s true that the decline of white rural areas and the growth of the Latino and Millennial voterbases will eventually render it unelectable? And if so, do you believe it will try to reform itself in order to become viable again?

Or, do you believe that it’ll exploit gerrymandering and voter suppression to remain in power indefinitely, suppressing progressivism and gradually eroding taxes and regulation until America has essentially became a Gulf state oligarchy? Or, even worse, do you suppose it’ll become fully infiltrated by the neo-Nazi/white nationalist/MRA/MGTOW/PUA/incel/gamergater/alt-right/edgelord/neoreactionary/tradcon crowd and transformed into a full-blown fascist party, that not merely implicitly but explicitly endeavors to either kill or expel non-whites and repeal women’s rights, instigating a Handmaid’s Tale-esque society?

By all means, have a tab in your browser open to r/Resist, but it might also be wise to have one open to the Canadian office of immigration…

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
3 years ago

@abars

They’ll try for the second (with their unstated goal being the third), and’ll even succeed in the short term, but given that everyone from Pence to Priebus is increasingly on the hook for their parts in Trump-Russia, in the long term, the only direction the GOP is headed is towards Leavenworth and the history books.

Pie
Pie
3 years ago

@Virgin Mary

I can’t figure out Piers Morgan, whether he is a paid up establishment shill or not, because he tends to blow with the wind.

He’s a fraud and a liar and presided over a huge amount of illegal phone hacking during his time running a british tabloid before running away to america to a new audience who wasn’t so contemptuous of him. He’s an awful person regardless of whether or not he’s an “establishment shill”.

He appeared in Keith Allen’s documentary ‘Unlawfull Killing’ about the death of Princess Diana, which makes me think maybe he’s not as cut and dried as he seems. Diana, I believe was murdered, the crown did not want an independent woman liaising with a non white man.

Do you also believe that fluoride in water is there to pacify you, jet aircraft spray population controlling chemicals into their air behind them, or that members of the democratic party run a child sex ring from the basement of a pizza place?

I think that Piers has MI6 connections, he isn’t just a talk show buffoon.

Its funny that you think he has any value at all, let alone as a government asset.

Nothing is Permanent But Woe
Nothing is Permanent But Woe
3 years ago

Regarding Piers Morgan, I did occasionally read the Mirror under his editorship when it was the only tabloid to oppose the war on Iraq. That said, I also have a broken watch that’s right twice a day, so…

I’m not DanHolme anymore; I re-read ‘Fungus the Bogeyman’ for the first time in 30 years last week and was reminded that my spiritual home is a terraced street in a cold, quiet, dark, rainy northern town miles below the feet of humankind. Or Buxton, as some people call it.

Hi everyone.

Zephkiel
Zephkiel
3 years ago

To be fair, Morgan does have a long and undistinguished history of being a tool with broken ribs.

https://youtu.be/RCgAqNSAD1U

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
3 years ago

Same as Pie about that whole Diana conspiration theory. I think there is no rational reason to believe it was anything but an accident. Especially since she did not have any link with the Crown anymore.

Pie
Pie
3 years ago

@Nothing is Permanent But Woe

Regarding Piers Morgan, I did occasionally read the Mirror under his editorship when it was the only tabloid to oppose the war on Iraq. That said, I also have a broken watch that’s right twice a day, so…

He’s had a few sensible moments. He is pro-gun-control, for example. Its almost all buried under a landslide of awfulness though.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
3 years ago

The Diana thing was very comprehensively investigated at the inquest.

I can see why people were suspicious, but perhaps it should be noted that Al Fayed’s own barrister abandoned the claims of conspiracy and accepted they were completely without foundation once the evidence was heard. And that was well known radical Mike Mansfield, hardly a pillar of the establishment.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
3 years ago

@ pie

He is pro-gun-control, for example

That’s hardly a radical position for a Brit though; you might as well say “He quite likes tea.” 🙂

occasional reader
occasional reader
3 years ago

Hello.

Off topic, sorry.
This time, it is not against women in video games, but it seems that gamegaters are still hating people.
The article is about the backlash a journalist, Dean Takahashi (of VentureBeat), get for having posted a video of him failing while playing a video game. Your dear Gamergate friend Ian Miles Cheong was notably one of the first to criticize, saying that being bad at one video game disqualify the person to be a video game journalist.
Yeah. I mean, i am pretty sure every war reporter can beat with a single hand any commando trooper, because if the reporter can not, that disqualifies the reporter to be a war journalist. And with the same logical fallacy, if a journalist can not draw, paint, take artistic photoshoot, write poems and novels, shoot movies and so on, the person can not be an art journalist.
There are journalism schools, but it is probably to make journalism journalists and certainly not any other topic journalists.
Of course, many “gamers” and, sadly, some other videogames journalists, jump in the bandwagon of acid critics.
Let us remember that they have also welcomed Yannopoulos as a techno journalist.
Alas, like the nazis, the Gamegate beast is not dead yet…

Out of topic 2
Does someone know a good free software to write music sheets ?

Have a nice day.

SomeGuyInAWaistcoat
SomeGuyInAWaistcoat
3 years ago

@occasional reader
I hear good things about MuseScore from a couple of friends. Open source, available in Mac, Windows, and Linux flavours, and I think there’s an ARM version as well.

(After so long lurking, you’d think my first post around these parts would actually be on topic…)

Moggie
Moggie
3 years ago

occasional reader:

Your dear Gamergate friend Ian Miles Cheong was notably one of the first to criticize, saying that being bad at one video game disqualify the person to be a video game journalist.

Good grief. Penny Arcade has been commenting on gaming for nearly twenty years, blossoming into much more than a webcomic, and yet Jerry Holkins (Tycho) readily admits to sucking at many games. Does that make him a fake gamer?

Dalillama: Irate Social Engineer

@occasional reader

Lilypond shpuld work

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
3 years ago

I broke two ribs at a company picnic a few years ago. It was uncomfortable, and I had to be careful how I moved for a couple of weeks, but it didn’t prevent me from working or going about my daily activities. There’s nothing “manly” or otherwise about getting on with things when you’re not in 100% physical shape. It’s just what life is. That being said, it’s dangerous and irresponsible to shame people into ignoring pain and pushing themselves. That’s what leads to boys playing football with concussions, and men not seeking help when they’re depressed.

As for the GOP, they’re within reach of their decades-long endgame to consolidate power and create a permanent Republican majority. They control the presidency, the Supreme Court, Congress, almost 3/4 of state legislatures and governorships, and a sizeable chunk of the military and police. The US electorate is starting to wake up to that and resist, but it may be too late. A lot of outside factors like climate change, peak oil, and NK becoming a full-blown nuclear power are now converging that threaten to create chaos, uncertainty, and social unrest within the next couple of decades – and that’s exactly what authoritarianism needs to thrive.

On the other hand, there are more of us than there are of them, and what we’re fighting against is actually real. The alt-right is fighting against bogeymen, fueled by fake news and manufactured outrage. I don’t for a minute doubt the power of the Big Lie to persuade ordinary people to commit violence, but by and large the alt-right is made up of selfish, venal cowards in khakis who prance around in their fantasies, but snivel on camera the moment they have to pay any real-world consequences for their horrendous beliefs. Push back, and they wilt. Whether any of them would put their own lives on the line for their infantile orange god-emperor remains to be seen.

occasional reader
occasional reader
3 years ago

> Dalillama
Thank you ! It was in the first page of results, but many have good comments, so i was hesitating. I am going to give it a try this week-end.

bluecat
bluecat
3 years ago

The one of Trump backed by the Trumpkins is straight out of George Grosz.

Paul Ryan seems to be decaying along with the corpses of butchered horses, yet still look smug.

May the work of these images be done swiftly.

And to all of you, if you have a Labor day, have a happy one.

Pie
Pie
3 years ago

@Alan Robertshaw

He is pro-gun-control, for example

That’s hardly a radical position for a Brit though; you might as well say “He quite likes tea.” 🙂

Not a radical position for a brit, perhaps, but somewhat more unusual for someone who seems keen to ingratiate themselves with the (US) republican establishment. I guess that means it is possible to say something nice about him: he’s not a totally unprincipled mercenary shit.

Virgin Mary
Virgin Mary
3 years ago

@pie

On the gun control thing, I was quite happy too see Piers take Alex Jones to bits.

As far as conspiracy theories go, I do not believe fluoride in the water is there to pacify us. I live in an area with no fluoride, and I’m glad about that because it makes water taste funny. I do not really want to drink fluoride, but I don’t believe some neo nazi’s conspiracy.
The death of Diana was different. There are a lot of things which do not add up. She was popular and that made her powerful, even after she lost her HRH title she was still more popular than Charles, and certainly more popular than Millie, because no one wants her as queen. The royal establishment are misogynists, and only view their women as breeding stock, seeing their prize heifer with a coloured man made them very angry indeed. I think it was terrible that they removed her protection and let her be brutally harassed by the press, but I don’t think the paparazzi caused the accident. The car she was travelling in could easy outrun a few scooters. There was something else going on there, maybe one day it will all come out.

Gussie Jives
Gussie Jives
3 years ago

I think it was Alan Rickman who upon being asked how he can portray such compelling villains, replied “Villains don’t wake up in the morning and say ‘Gee, what kind of evil can I do this morning?'” As despicably evil as Republicans are, they aren’t Snidely Whiplash; clearly they need the esteem of friends and family in order to go to sleep at night and look themselves in the mirror without walking in front of a bus. So I’m wondering what it takes to actually shake these guys out of the self-reinforcing Ayn Rand Chicago School Reaganomics bubble they’ve retreated to.

I mean, which of Paul Ryan’s kids needs to come home and ask him why one of her friends is losing health insurance or is scared about ICE agents busting down the door in the middle of the night? I realize I’m fantasizing insofar as the children of a wealthy Republican being in a public school and interacting with poor people, but certainly somebody these people interact with and care about the opinion of must have a conscience. Whoever that person is… they’ve gotta step up, because whatever “good” these monsters think they’re doing is hurting a lot of vulnerable people and there’s already been too much death and suffering one can place squarely at the feet of GOP greed and incompetence.

The whole party needs to be burnt to the ground and the earth salted.

Fishy Goat
Fishy Goat
3 years ago

@occasional reader I use Musescore . 🙂 I might have to try out the other recommend, though. I hadn’t heard of it….

Fishy Goat
Fishy Goat
3 years ago

@Zephkiel re: Piers: If even Jeremy Clarkson wants to punch him in the face…. 😉

pk1154
pk1154
3 years ago

@occasional reader

Interesting link.

WTF, gamergaters?

That reviewer demonstrates exactly the sort of information I want from a game review. I love playing video games, but my 63-year old hands are not up to lots of finely-timed button pushing combinations. (I want to throw in a rant about “magic spot-ism” but…no.)

I did find this bit of news interesting: Arnold Schwarzenegger wants to terminate gerrymandering.

http://www.sfchronicle.com/politics/article/Schwarzenegger-s-bipartisan-next-political-act-12170898.php

Pie
Pie
3 years ago

@Virgin Mary

The death of Diana was different.

No.

There are a lot of things which do not add up.

No.

The royal establishment are misogynists, and only view their women as breeding stock, seeing their prize heifer with a coloured man made them very angry indeed.

This is exactly why queen liz stepped down and handed over the reins of, uh, her reign, to a man, her son. Because the misogynist establishment wouldn’t want her at the top, right?

And seriously, “prize heifer”? Dude.

Virgin Mary
Virgin Mary
3 years ago

@pie

There are other reasons why Liz hasn’t handed over the reigns to her son, firstly that a reigning monarch is not supposed to dally with political lobby groups. He has been doing this for years, and it could disqualify his from ever taking the crown. Prince Phillip could not be king as he is not British.

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
3 years ago

I concur: everything actually add up for the official, and true, version.

Pie
Pie
3 years ago

@Virgin Mary

Ahh, so its a misogynistic establishment in the same way that the US is misandric and run by women and homosexuals, eg. not at all, except in conspiracy theories?

Moggie
Moggie
3 years ago

It’d be nice if we could leave the weird conspiracist thinking to the right wing. Living in reality rather than fantasy will help us defeat the right.