By David Futrelle
The “Incel” cult not only encourages so-called “involuntarily celibate” men to hate and blame women; it also teaches these men to hate themselves, obsessing endlessly over alleged physical flaws and other imaginary impediments that they think make them undateable and fundamentally unlovable.
One of the most insidious ways in which the Incel cult harms those in it is by discouraging clearly depressed men from seeking the psychological and psychiatric help it is clear so many of them desperately need.
Some incels dismiss therapy and medication as frauds, convinced that nothing will work for them. This is self-defeating but at least understandable. Therapy is hard work, and meds. while generally effective in helping most people, aren’t a panacea, and when you’re deeply depressed it’s hard to believe anything will help.
But there are plenty of incels who reject therapy and meds not because they think they won’t work, but because they’re afraid they will. These deeply miserable men don’t want to be cured of their misery because they don’t believe they deserve to be happy. Or even to live.
In a recent post on the Incels subreddit, someone calling himself StarvedOfHumanTouch argues bluntly that “[t]reating incels for depression should be illegal.”
“Some anti depressants and anti psychotics are too fucking effective,” he writes.
They have the ability to turn even the most suicidally depressed men into tax contributing good goys.
So far, if we ignore the not-too-subtle hint of anti-Semitism at the end there, StarvedOfHumanTouch is rehashing an old and silly argument put forth by some social critics who wrongly think that antidepressants turn everyone into “shiny happy” conformists. But his argument quickly gets much darker.
Depression like all other state of minds has a purpose. It is meant to hurt, weaken, and ultimately kill you. Trimming the fat from society so to speak. It is in the benefit of all to let the weak and disabled die off.
He’s including himself in this group.
So why keep us around? Is it compassion? Sadism? Or are we just a buffer to keep around to take the blow when shit hits the fan in society every other decade?
As far as I can figure out the logic here, StarvedOfHumanTouch apparently think that “normies” conspire to keep incels and other alleged “undesirables” around as, I guess, designated sufferers when crises roll around. It doesn’t make much sense to me either.
But StarvedOfHumanTouch’s fellow incels seem to have little trouble understanding what he’s getting at.
“[W]e subhumans exist so chads and staceys can feel better about themselves that they arent subhuman like us,” writes PM_ME_STRIPPERS.
“Yes, and conning them into “therapy” should also be a stoneable offense,” adds Thizizwhyimincel,” whose flair for the subreddit suggests that his “[m]other deserves to be raped by ISIS.”
Any normie, or whore, who recommends therapy for an incel, is intentionally trying to steal money from an inferior man. They absolutely deserve the rope for even suggesting this.
3K-caloriespurple-pilled non-incel is of the opinion that”letting people suffer is [un]acceptable.” But instead of suggesting that sufferers get treatment to ease their suffering, he thinks that “euthanasia should be legalized for people with severe depression or mental issues.”
As someone who has struggled with depression for decades now, I can tell you that this sort of bullshit is the last thing any depressed person needs to hear. Treatment is available; meds help. Incel is, as I’ve said many times before, poison. It makes everyone it touches worse off. It’s suicide fuel.
they are just fucking ugly tbh hahahah., they just get salty about it
Can we get rid of this person? They’ve added nothing productive. Just falsehoods like this, even after this issue is discussed earlier in the thread.
Why?
Not said anything offensive, or degrading. Its true, they are not attractive (like me) and struggle massively with women. Thats Ok, no shame in that. Problem is they blame their whole failures on women and have an awful mindset. Not only that they drag other people down too. They deserve to be made fun of, even if they do have depression
Yes, you have.
It’s actually not true. For one, attractiveness is subjective, not a fact or truth. Second, when they post photos of themselves they’re usually not what mainstream media considers unattractive, which is the scale I assume you’re using for your “true” statement about attractiveness.
There shouldn’t be shame in it, but it’s fucking low to attack someone based on their appearance.
They deserve to be made fun of for being horrible people. We don’t condone making fun of people for their appearance here. If for no other reason, don’t do it because it’s against the comment policy.
TIL calling people you’ve never seen before ugly because they’re virgins is not offensive or degrading. I’ll resist the urge to go ranting about my own virginity and body issues and, instead, just say
What have I said that has offended you?
Maybe the attractiveness is coming out from me, because I can relate to being ugly and I can emphasise with them (TO SOME DEGREE, not condoning their actions). I just feel that INCELS would be better off accepting their situation and forgetting about getting laid (like I have) rather than obsess over it
I have never attacked someone intentionally for their appearance (I use the word ugly a lot as a descriptive not to make fun).
After all I look at susan boyle, isaac newton for inspiration, if they can live a happy and decent life , why can Incels?
dcfcfan1: “I use the word ugly a lot as a descriptive not to make fun”
Also dcfcfan1: “they are just fucking ugly tbh hahahah”
I was making fun of their situation , not the fact that they are ugly. And I still feel that they are all unnattractive which has caused them not to get laid, but no excuses for their shitty mindset.
I feel like I can help them a lot if they are willing to engage and listen to me. Im an unattractive beast, but doing well in life, play sports, read books, go gym. Never got laid or will ever get laid but confident of living a fullfilling life with plenty of goals. If I could just help one of them, I would be delighted
@Axe
Sorry for Hijacking this thread and making it all about me, but when I was 17, I was ranting about how I couldnt get a date, or a girl to like me ect ect.
As I matured, I realised its not the end of the fucking world and I made peace with it. Sounds cheesy but plenty of people would kill to be in my position; healthy, supportive family, nice upbringing. Perspective is everthing
@dcfcfan1
Except you define their situation as being ugly in literally the next sentence, as well as this one.
See? Also, it’s telling that you “still feel” this situation is a certain way despite multiple women and Axe cluing you in that it isn’t like that.
Evidence you haven’t been listening to us at all part 9002: You think it’s possible to help people who aggressively refuse help. Why don’t you go over there and post stuff about self-improvement, see what happens?
Last I heard, they’d set up a bot to scold anybody who even suggests actually trying to do better or be better.
Thanks for the irrelevant boner update, random dude. This is, like, the 12th time you’ve told us your dick is dry?
So since it’s pretty clear you are making fun of them for being ugly though most of them actually aren’t, here’s a quote for you:
kupo said:
@Axecalibur
Solidarity for body issues and weirdness about sex. Part of the reason I’m even involved in Rocky Horror is to work through some of those.
@Sandra
That’s awesome, I love that you’re using Rocky Horror to work through those issues.
@Kupo
Yeah, I’m glad I can get on stage and wear fishnets and shake my ass and do preshows that involve miniskirts and high kicks. It’s different as part of a shadowcast. It’s like doing it but without all the risks that make me hyperventilate.
Pardon my ignorance, but what’s a shadowcast?
@Alan Robertshaw
It means we’re performing the show while the show is on screen behind us.
It’s not appropriate to call it a play because while we have props and extras and costumes, we don’t do any writing and we don’t expect to be heard. We lipsync to the show, and dance, and try to add humorous elements here and there based on the callbacks and the inherent ridiculousness of the movie.
Like sometimes Frank does the Macarena while Tim Curry is making Rocky, and transylvanians hold up scorecards during the pool scene and act as windshield wipers during the car scene.
A lot of the difficulty of what we do is because we work to the movie’s pace so we have a very limited time to do technical changes.
Oh wow that’s brilliant!
Are there any other films with shadowcasts? I can see how RHPS lends itself to that; but now I’m wondering what else I’d like to see.
@Alan Robertshaw
I’m not aware of any, though I know there’s a LOT of Rocky Horror shadowcasts around the USA. There’s probably one in or near the closest major city to you.
As far as other movies go, I’m not aware of any. But I know my cast is going to try and do Reefer Madness: The Musical next April. And Clue sometimes.
I wouldn’t be surprised if people sometimes do everything from Little Shop of Horrors to Heathers to Clue, but as far as I’m aware it’s only Rocky that gets the 37 years of constant performing my cast has a history of.
@ ignoresandra
The nearest city to me is Truro; so they’re probably still waiting for the original film to turn up at the cinema.
*breathes deep* OK… Hey, incels! Yes, even the ones who don’t call themselves incel. Yes, even the ones who reject the worst tenants of inceldom (while still wallowing in and spreading the same toxic misery that forms the group’s foundation). Yes, even the ones who like to think of themselves as feminists or allies. Sort yourselves out. It’s gross…
@dc
Yes, that was our problem. Jackass
When I was 17, I was silently empty inside cos girls didn’t seem interested in me (on reflection tho, a combo of fear of rejection and latent asexuality/aromaticism probably led to fewer dates than anything). However…
To paraphrase Batman: ‘we both looked into the abyss, but you blinked’. You haven’t matured, you haven’t made peace with it. Just saying you have don’t make it so. You’re an incel in all but name. Stop it. Or don’t, whatever. I’ve got my own shit to deal with
@Sandra
Thanks, fam! It’s a trip definitely. I’ve said before, finding out I’m aspec didn’t make my ‘incel’ days any better for my self esteem. Still fucks me up and in new, ever surprising ways 😛
Great to hear you’re doing your thing. Sounds like a fun time. Confidence builds too slow, but what little I’ve cultivated, I never wanna be without again. Best of luck! With everything, ya know? <3
OMG, shadowcast RHPS sounds like so much FUN!!!!
*Opens Google*
@Alan Robertshaw
Ah. Then you’re probably better off searching via the internet. The two casts I know of in my state are near Norfolk naval base and in Fredericksburg.
@Axecalibur
Gonna second this. I can’t and won’t be emotionally available for everyone, especially folks who think they have nothing to work on.
It really is. I hate me and wanna break mirrors, then I think I look fucking cute, then I’m on stage and I can’t afford to think about how bad I look, and then people compliment me on my costuming and I just…it’s tough. I wanna be up there in slinky dresses but I feel more like I deserve to be in a potato sack.
I kinda googled, but I didn’t get a convincing definition for aspec. Asexual spectrum? Autistic spectrum? I’m on both of them.
Topic of incel crap: I haven’t gone on a date since I was 17. The sex I’ve had, I wish I didn’t have. It used to eat me up inside while I was younger, but not because I actually wanted a relationship. Because I felt like I had to be in one to be valid in my existence, that relationships and children were the only point to life. I no longer consider that true.
I stared into the abyss, saw it for what it was, and stepped back. I’ve done this a thousand times on a thousand topics, this one was just a lot more painful than others, and echoes of it keeps carrying forward.
So when I see some incel dilettante come along and say that he’s dateless because he’s ugly, it angers me. Not a wildfire anger, difficult to control, but a personal white-hot rage like the furnace of a smelting plant. Because effectively what he’s saying is that people who don’t date don’t do so because they look bad, and I know that isn’t true. I’m 6’6, with makeup and the right clothes I could compete with literal fucking models. But I was mostly single in the past because of my social issues, which included learned abusive behavior and misogyny, not because there was anything wrong with the way I looked. Same is true for the “incels”.
They’re voluntarily celibate, because maintaining that kind of loathesome personality without it collapsing on itself is a choice.
@Peevee
It really is! Show up slightly tipsy, with one or three of your friends, and be prepared to shout at the screen and performers, and dance a bit.
Some theaters, like the one my cast performs at, even let you throw things. You might like it, you might not, but it’s definitely an experience.
Is this one a sock for that incel troll Afroway? The one who kept saying that posting there doesn’t make you a misogynist? Since he said he craved attention and had to ask to be banned, I always figured he might be back under a new name.
IgnoreSandra,
I used to go to Midnight screenings when I was younger…I would LOVE to find one near me! (The one theater who held midnight screenings for 35 years closed down in 2010. Boo.)
@Peevee
Even my cast doesnt do midnight screenings anymore. Just on halloween for that. It’s kind of our christmas.