By David Futrelle
The “Incel” cult not only encourages so-called “involuntarily celibate” men to hate and blame women; it also teaches these men to hate themselves, obsessing endlessly over alleged physical flaws and other imaginary impediments that they think make them undateable and fundamentally unlovable.
One of the most insidious ways in which the Incel cult harms those in it is by discouraging clearly depressed men from seeking the psychological and psychiatric help it is clear so many of them desperately need.
Some incels dismiss therapy and medication as frauds, convinced that nothing will work for them. This is self-defeating but at least understandable. Therapy is hard work, and meds. while generally effective in helping most people, aren’t a panacea, and when you’re deeply depressed it’s hard to believe anything will help.
But there are plenty of incels who reject therapy and meds not because they think they won’t work, but because they’re afraid they will. These deeply miserable men don’t want to be cured of their misery because they don’t believe they deserve to be happy. Or even to live.
In a recent post on the Incels subreddit, someone calling himself StarvedOfHumanTouch argues bluntly that “[t]reating incels for depression should be illegal.”
“Some anti depressants and anti psychotics are too fucking effective,” he writes.
They have the ability to turn even the most suicidally depressed men into tax contributing good goys.
So far, if we ignore the not-too-subtle hint of anti-Semitism at the end there, StarvedOfHumanTouch is rehashing an old and silly argument put forth by some social critics who wrongly think that antidepressants turn everyone into “shiny happy” conformists. But his argument quickly gets much darker.
Depression like all other state of minds has a purpose. It is meant to hurt, weaken, and ultimately kill you. Trimming the fat from society so to speak. It is in the benefit of all to let the weak and disabled die off.
He’s including himself in this group.
So why keep us around? Is it compassion? Sadism? Or are we just a buffer to keep around to take the blow when shit hits the fan in society every other decade?
As far as I can figure out the logic here, StarvedOfHumanTouch apparently think that “normies” conspire to keep incels and other alleged “undesirables” around as, I guess, designated sufferers when crises roll around. It doesn’t make much sense to me either.
But StarvedOfHumanTouch’s fellow incels seem to have little trouble understanding what he’s getting at.
“[W]e subhumans exist so chads and staceys can feel better about themselves that they arent subhuman like us,” writes PM_ME_STRIPPERS.
“Yes, and conning them into “therapy” should also be a stoneable offense,” adds Thizizwhyimincel,” whose flair for the subreddit suggests that his “[m]other deserves to be raped by ISIS.”
Any normie, or whore, who recommends therapy for an incel, is intentionally trying to steal money from an inferior man. They absolutely deserve the rope for even suggesting this.
3K-caloriespurple-pilled non-incel is of the opinion that”letting people suffer is [un]acceptable.” But instead of suggesting that sufferers get treatment to ease their suffering, he thinks that “euthanasia should be legalized for people with severe depression or mental issues.”
As someone who has struggled with depression for decades now, I can tell you that this sort of bullshit is the last thing any depressed person needs to hear. Treatment is available; meds help. Incel is, as I’ve said many times before, poison. It makes everyone it touches worse off. It’s suicide fuel.
“Good Goys”?
If therapy’s off the table, may I suggest dick-punching?
In 2003, I finally got on an SSRI, after five years with constant low-level electrical activity in my brain that had my temper on a hair-trigger. The difference was day and night, like somebody unlocked the phone booth after the angry bees got out of the storage bag. I also got into therapy, which has helped nearly as much as the meds. I would invite StarvedOfHumanTouch to end his starvation by sucking all my dicks, especially the three prehensile ones, except that most of them are in the fourth dimension.
EDIT: Or Bobbie’s idea about dick-punching works too. Whatever they’d enjoy more.
I know of some people who think assisted suicide is the solution to all of society’s problems and they have extreme disdain for anyone with mental or physical disabilities or issues. It’s a really poisonous mindset.
Assisted suicide for terminally illness is complex and I’m undecided at this point, but those people want assisted suicide to be legal for anyone with a disability or serious life problem.
Reminder: These people hate women, but they definitely hate men too, judging from how they consistently want men to suffer.
I have a little nephew and I worry a lot about this toxic masculinity garbage. If he stays a gentle and rather sweet-tempered person, I want him to be able to be himself and be happy without being policed for it.
Meanwhile, I want to be able to clearly express anger (politely) without being policed for it. And I want people to stop telling me to smile, and that all my problems are imaginary.
Murder/suicide fuel. FTFY. After all they’re usually dizzy with glee whenever a incel linked mass shooting occurs.
At first glance this just seems to be another manifestation of the Incel ‘bucket of crabs’ mentality.
However I’m not entirely convinced by their claims of depression anyway. I don’t wish to sound unsympathetic to genuine sufferers of mental illness; but it’s a pretty standard tactic of incels to appropriate things like Aspergers and social anxiety as both a justification for their vile behaviour, and to elicit sympathy. But of course they don’t actually want sympathy; they just want the opportunity to enjoy rejecting it in the most vicious way. It’s the same with any offers of help generally.
It’s all a game to them. It’s rather like their bizarre claims that incels have it worse than holocaust victims. They claim the status of the ultimate underdog, but spurn any attempt at help, because they don’t want help.
The last thing an incel wants to do is change, because being a vile person is not a symptom or by-product of some underlying condition; it’s their entire raison d’etre.
To be honest, personally I don’t just think compassion is wasted on them, it seems almost insulting to people who are actually suffering.
I lost two male friends to suicide in their thirties, so I am absolutely disgusted at these Incel shit nuggets. 🙁
I have a…certain borrowed character with several elements of this mindset brewing in him by default, save the various bigotries.
I immediately thought of the fellow upon reading this. Quite sad, if you ask me.
On a lighter note.
@Austin Loomis
I’m going to have to borrow and slightly alter that one (lacking a dongus).
As i see it selfhate and the pain they feel are the substance of being an Incel. If Incels stopped with this shit, their justification to hate and hurt others would be lost.
They rather want to stay miserable than to stop hating other people. It’s such toxic bullshit, their philosophy has to die.
How does it benefit all to let people with mental illnesses suffer untreated? Even if you set aside empathy and compassion, I can’t think of a single societal benefit. Mental illness puts strain on the entire family of the person suffering. People with untreated mental illness often self medicate with narcotics or alcohol so there’s a public health and safety component to making treatment accessible even beyond what benefits the mentally ill person. People with untreated mental illness are less productive at their jobs or are unable to work at all so it’s better for the economy to provide treatment.
Seriously, what exactly is the benefit to denying treatment for mental illness?
Incels hate themselves and other people. Their ideology is really fertile for murder-suicide.
brain bleach
https://i.imgur.com/1T57RWb.mp4
Redditor incels are desperate for attention. The only reliable way they know to get it is to be more disgusting than the guy who posted before them. Good going, guys!
They are also — to steal a term from Keeping Up Appearances — bone-idle. They can’t be bothered to do any work to bring about changes in their lives. No, they’ll stick with moaning, complaining, and viciousness.
I’m having a hard time feeling bad for them.
They are too ugly to get laid.. so take out their hate on everyone else.. no sympathy
@ kat
Were you not familiar with the term before? It’s a pretty standard northern one. Brings back happy memories of schooldays.
On a related note, there’s an area in my home town called Idle. Which results in this nice bit of irony.
@History Nerd
This somewhat off topic but assisted suicide for *anyone* regardless of physical, medical , or social standing should be legal. The only controls needed are standards that the person seeking assisted suicide is rational and undertaking the action voluntarily. It’s complex but if you favor the non-substantial bodily autonomy (the requirements of respecting it are desire neutral and choice conditions are checked against formal benchmarks) that most feminist ultimately favor that’s the only logically tolerable position.
I don’t have any major medical issues. I’m still going to die by my own hand at some point because of my philosophical commitment to having my death on my own terms. This is, hopefully, many years off through.
Ill admit, I am a male who cant get laid to save his life, but fuckkkk me, these incel guys are in a mess. I just accept it and get on with it, after all., Im healthy, have nice friends and family, is it that important that Im not good enough to “get” a girl to want to have sex with me?
I just dont see why you would label yourself with something you dont like about yourself, seems barmy. And it really isnt the end of the world if you cant have sex. It really isnt
‘So why keep us around?”
Because we don’t live in a nazi fucking country, you shrivelled-up angry fucking goblin!
The last time I got off my meds, after a job/insurance loss, I had to constantly remind myself that I really didn’t want to die. Some days, I compromised by picking something that would kill me eventually, but only if I stuck with it, like staying outside in freezing weather.
So, basically, fuck these guys.
As a life-long sufferer from depression, I wanted to feel empathy here, but… no.
Depression lies. It tells you you’re worthless. It tells you that nothing will help. It tells you that you don’t deserve happiness anyway, you piece of shit. And if you make the mistake of entertaining the possibility that treatment might help, it points out that this could only be true if treatment changed you so much that you were effectively a different person, which is a kind of death, so why not speed things up and kill yourself anyway?
Depression makes you hate yourself, but it doesn’t, in my experience, make you hate other people, least of all the towering, incandescent rage that these guys exhibit for a large fraction of the human race. And it doesn’t encourage you to indulge in a circle jerk of competitive violent fantasies. Shit, some days I barely have the energy to properly hate myself; these guys are the Energizer Bunnies of loathing. They appear to live in a spoon-rich environment.
If they’re hurting, and that’s not an act, yeah, I feel sorry for them about that. But hurting doesn’t justify wanting to hurt others. Being a jerk is not a mental illness.
@Alan
No, I had never heard of “bone idle” before — but I figured it was a British expression. I hadn’t guessed that it was a Northern British expression.
Around my house, we’re pretty amused by the term.
People with mental illnesses are not weak.
People are not only worth what they can do or provide.
That said, his logic is entirely circular.
If the weak shouldn’t survive because they cannot endure and be of benefit to society then how is becoming healthy enough to endure and contribute wrong? If contributions to society are wrong, then why shouldn’t people who don’t contribute survive and thrive too? He fails to be even slightly cogent.
Why is their answer to everything to murder somone? Seems to me these guys are more dedicated to looking for an excuse to kill than anything else. Lack of access to women’s bodies and what it represents for them: success, status, and dominance are just excuses for what they really want. They want an excuse to kill. They’re after what they see as the ultimate power trip. They all sound way too much like Richard Ramirez to me.
It’s frightening to think that people who are suffering from depression, anxiety, or feelings of pointlessness and low self-worth might find themselves turning for advice to this nest of … turds.
(Was going to say vipers, but snakes are awesome).
Advice seems to be:
“Absolutely don’t try to get help whatever you do.”
“Anyone who offers or advises you to seek help is out to get you and can’t be trusted at all.”
and “Hey, violence is a great option. Turn it on others or turn it on yourself – yay!”
I’ve struggled with depression and suicidal thoughts since I was small, but have only recently been able to talk about it with anyone, let alone seek any help for it.
Well, it fluctuates (not bad right now), but there have certainly been times in my life when getting that kind of support and validation of all the worst possible feelings in my repertoire would have been absolutely the most dangerous thing I could possibly have encountered.
And then – I’m not armed, and know of no way I could arm myself if I wanted to. The incels, on the other hand, may be.
@ kat
This would suggest it’s not exclusively Northern; or at least there’s an East Anglian variant.
http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/bone-idle.html
@Mike Smith
States like Oregon where assisted suicide is legal limit it to terminally ill people to try to prevent abuse. The issue of whether a socially disadvantaged person can truly make voluntary choices is really thorny.