AntiFa ate my baby: Today in Tweets

@Jenora

So…I followed the Wikipedia link. Now I have five other Wikipedia pages up.

Aaaaand not all of them are making me optimistic about things…The lot of a compulsive wiki-walker.

ETA: I also found an article about the Cincinnati subway system, which was abandoned. I didn’t know that this was abandoned nearly ninety years ago, though–I just knew about it from a dude doing traffic stuff in Cincy that told me and my mom about things when we were about to go to a production of Porgy and Bess.

Catching up with the thread, more posts to follow:
@WWTH

The Democratic party will just never learn, will it?

The Democratic party are a white supremacist organization and always have been. Not as virulently so as the Republicans, obviously, but that is nevertheless what they are.

This. I oppose violence that isn’t in self defense. The vast majority of progressives are the same way in my experience.

Violence towards fascists is automatically self defence. They represent an existential threat to any pretense of a free an open society and a physical threat to many members of it.

@Oogly

“maybe we should take the middle road. We remember the old days of bipartisanship, maybe if we condemn both side we’ll get all the peoples and finally go back to a bipartisan political culture”?

‘Bipartisan’ is another of those lovely words that actually means ‘white supremacist’. I don’t mean to sound like a broken record here, but seriously, the entire fucking edifice of U.S. society, economy and politics is not just riddled with but founded upon white supremacy. And people who don’t like white supremacy (this particularly goes for my fellow white people here) need to look that in the face and stop wringing hands about why ‘well-intentioned’ Democrats are so ineffectual and recognize that it’s because they don’t actually want to acheive anything that might change the white supremacist capitalist system. (Relevant article here
@Violet

I do agree, in principle, that violence is not the answer. At all. Ever

And you’re wrong. Sometimes, it’s the only possible answer, and staring genocide in the face is one of those times.

@Rugbyyogi

I hope we’re not there yet.

Where do you consider ‘there’? When it’s white people who’re being dragged out of their homes by stormtroopes (ICE raids, and the drug war come to that, if you’re not clear what I’m talking about)? When the armed marching Nazis succeed in burning down a synagogue? When black churches burn every week instead of every couple months? If they’d beaten DeAndre Harris to death, would that be enough for you? Where’s your fucking line?

@Spukikitty

That said: I JUST HAD A THOUGHT….What if Pelosi’s statement is “Fake News” and rumor-mongering meant to divide and conquer The Resistance? WE NEED TO KEEP THAT IN MIND!

What the entire fuck is this bullshit? Seriously.

@Scildfreja Unnyðnes

I really don’t know what to do about it, guys. They’re legitimizing fascists with this “both sides” nonsense. That can’t stand. But I don’t know what to do about it.

The next step would appear to be burning them in effigy on the capitol lawn.

@LaurelG

The non-fascist pro-Trump

There is no such thing. Trump is a fascist, supporters of Trump support fascism, supporters of Trump are fascists. Full stop. The may not be Nazis as such, but it’s a distinction without a difference.

@History Nerd

AntiFa and the black bloc folks use bad tactics and violence is not the solution, yes

What’s your solution then, pal? How do you think people should respond to Nazis with torches marching on a synagogue. Please explain, in detail. Or better, don’t, just go use your perfect peaceful solution on the fascists. I’ll watch.

Dali,

What solution do you suggest to “Democrats are (also) white supremacist”?

Sounds like you’re agreeing with the alt-reich, who’ve been saying the Democrats are the “party of the KKK” for quite some time now.

@Axe

If there’s any time for participation trophies, it’s when fighting nazis. And winning!

Yes and no. Thing is, very few of the people fighting the Nazis then were doing so out of any particular opposition to killing Jews, queers, Roma or disabled folks. They simply objected to German territorial acquisiton at the expense of other European powers. So I dunno how many points I actually feel like awarding them.

@Egret

Antifa never showed up downtown in SF,

That’s news to the SF Antifa folks I know, I tell you what.

However, the cops stood down and left the park entirely with no violence- a victory of sorts.

I’d count the cops leaving without brutalizing anyone as bordering on miraculous, frankly.
@This Handle

Unfortunately the Berkley rally in which a fascist (who was unarmed

You mean the guy who teargassed a couple counterprotesters and then fled back to his camera toting buddy? That ‘unarmed fascist’?

and part of groups that had peacefully assembled)

There is no such thing as a peaceful assembly of fascists. They are an active threat to the physical (and mental) safety of members of oppressed groups. A fascist march is an act of terrorism.

(the same way riots at a number of BLM protests killed the brand).

But of course this shows what kind of scum you actually are, and I haven’t much more energy to waste on you.

@Still Fiqah

I just…is this a White People Thing?

Yeah, it pretty much is. White people who aren’t actively white supremacists hate being reminded that passive participation in U.S. society (i.e. being ‘apolitical’, ‘centrist’, ‘bipartisan’ etc.) is in and of itself an act of white supremacy.
@Treeperson

agent provocateurs have been sited at a number of anti-police brutality rallies so it kinda goes:

Also this. Been going on since forever. (not always police; in the days before everyplace had a formal police system it was private agents, but nevertheless)
@Dan Hoan

I think nonviolence is an incredibly important and useful tactic during protests and movements.

@Ellesar

“aroused the world and the people of Germany to Hitler’s violence”.’

It wouldn’t have, though. Because the world didn’t actually give a shit about Jews. There’s a relevant quote from one of our American heros in the battle against white supremacy that applies equally well I think:
Kwame Ture had something to say on that topic which I think mi
“Dr. King’s policy was that nonviolence would achieve the gains for black people in the United States. His major assumption was that if you are nonviolent, if you suffer, your opponent will see your suffering and will be moved to change his heart. That’s very good. He only made one fallacious assumption: In order for nonviolence to work, your opponent must have a conscience. The United States has none.”
-Kwame Ture

@Zephkiel

So… Fuck the high horse. Get off it. Be as violent as the Nazis – it’s the only way to get them to go back into their holes. You’re going to get “both sides” bullshit anyway, so why not be as effective as possible in destroying the actual Nazis? If they know stepping out in their polo shirts and tiki torches is going to get them beaten to a pulp every time they do it, they’ll stop stepping outside. Look at how they’ve cried about facing the most minor consequences to their hateful actions – they’re cowards.

If it helps, think of it as pre-emptive self defence. If the Nazis win, they’ll have no compunction about killing you.

Quoted for extreme truth.

@ MrsObedMarsh

And I know that Nazis won’t come after a white woman like me unless she actively opposes them, but PoC are in danger just for existing. I wish more people understood that.

I assume you’re also cis, het, and abled, cos if not, you’re on their list along with the rest of us.

ETA:
@This Handle
Don’t let the door hit your ass on the way out.

@JS

Sounds like you’re agreeing with the alt-reich, who’ve been saying the Democrats are the “party of the KKK” for quite some time now.

Oh for fuck’s sake. What part of ‘The political system of the U.S. is fundamentally white supremacist’ was fucking well unclear to you? Politics as usual=white supremacy as usual. The Democratic party advances subtly white supremacist policies, because that is the default for American policy making, and thus anyone not working towards radical (in the most literal sense) change is perpetuating a system of white supremacy. The Republican party, by contrast, advances openly white supremacist policies and actively embraces white supremacy. That’s why they’re worse, see?

@Dalillama: Irate Social Engineer

‘Bipartisan’ is another of those lovely words that actually means ‘white supremacist’. I don’t mean to sound like a broken record here, but seriously, the entire fucking edifice of U.S. society, economy and politics is not just riddled with but founded upon white supremacy.

You don’t sound like a broken record, especially now of all times where our supposed “allies” have once again made it clear that they don’t give a fuck about us.

@Spukikitty

That said: I JUST HAD A THOUGHT….What if Pelosi’s statement is “Fake News” and rumor-mongering meant to divide and conquer The Resistance? WE NEED TO KEEP THAT IN MIND!

I don’t ask this to be a smartass, I’m asking from a place of curiosity and bewilderment; what are you even talking about? You had a thought that Nancy Pelosi’s bothsideism statement is propoganda meant to break down people who are against fascists? What am I supposed to make of that? That Pelosi is also a fascist? Please explain, I’m not even mad, just unable to understand what you’re saying.

@JS

Sounds like you’re agreeing with the alt-reich, who’ve been saying the Democrats are the “party of the KKK” for quite some time now.

The Nazis open outright bigotry. The Dems are keeping the status quo which is also intent on keeping subtle bigotry in place. Why would you type this sort of “gotcha” post?

@Test
I hope you do great in helping others. make of that what you will

White fragility is when you finally start to realize your high horse was gifted to you by people of vile principles and you choose to ride it into the sunset rather than dismount.

I don’t know how to solve this, and it’s made me really cranky. Sorry.

Jumping on people who aren’t even IN the alt-right, I’m terribly sorry.

Hugs to numerobis.

@Numerobis
Many hugs

@A. Noyd

White fragility is when you finally start to realize your high horse was gifted to you by people of vile principles and you choose to ride it into the sunset rather than dismount

Perfect

@numerobis
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@numerobis

re: horse metaphor

I like it too, but then literal mind wonders what the horse is to do.

Off topic, but this jut popped up in my youtube subscriptions. It’s Pop Culture Detective going over misogyny among “nerds” in media and especially The Big Bang.

@Chimeric
There’s a difference between literal fuckin nazis and the Dem party. There’s a difference between fighting Proud Boys and firebombing Democratic headquarters. These things are not equivalent. They’re not in the same ballpark. They are not, or they should not be in any case, difficult to discern. We aren’t giving @Dali a pass on threatening users on the basis that she’s a regular. We’re not giving her a pass at all, cos that’s not what she did. More pertinently, please, if you have a problem with what she said, tell her you have a problem with what she said. This weird ‘I’m worried about your friend’ thing is pretty uncool, ya know? This ain’t an intervention. Oh, and try to refrain from assuming what people will do in response to your criticism. It’s unnecessarily antagonistic. Thanks