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Vox Day hails fake meme smear campaign against AntiFas, touts lying as “effective rhetoric”

Vox Day, broadcasting live from the eighth circle of hell

By David Futrelle

That /pol/ campaign to smear the anti-fascist left with fake memes suggesting AntiFas support domestic violence against women, children, and the elderly? The one that I and others exposed yesterday as nothing more than a political dirty trick?

Racist fantasy author and all-around terrible person Theodore “Vox Day” Beale thinks it was a smashing success — and something to be proud of.

In a post today, Beale hails the supposed “brilliance” of the fake-meme Tweeters — despite their meme campaign being so transparently dishonest it was recognized as a fraud almost instantly. In Beale’s mind, this is “rhetorical meme magic” at work.

“Remember,” he writes,

the most effective rhetoric communicates truth without necessarily being literally truthful in the details. It persuades through emotion, not reason … .

This from someone who wrote an entire book complaining that “SJWs always lie.”

To those on his side who worry that all this constant lying might backfire, destroying the credibility of the alt-right and its fellow travelers, Beale has nothing but contempt, denouncing what he calls “dialectic-speaking spergs” for “cling[ing] to the belief that  ‘credibility’ is the key to successful persuasion.”

Beale, who evidently isn’t much worried about his own credibility, has done his part to push the fake memes, urging his followers to spread the memes around and even posting several on Twitter himself, alongside such comments as “[t]here is no place for the violence and savagery of the #AltLeft in civilized society.”

Never mind that the particular “savagery” he is denouncing here —  AntiFa’s supposed support of domestic violence — is something his 4chan pals have simply made up.

Naturally, Beale’s followers are enthusiastic about this particular form of “persuasion.”

“These meme wars are, from a sales perspective, BRILLIANT,” declares someone called  dc.sunsets.

They’re the poster child of how Madison Avenue does product packaging in order to manipulate people into buying landfill-filling crap they don’t need.

Huh. What does that say about the ideology they’re trying to sell?

In a followup comment , dc.sunsets adds that

literal truth, veracity or “evidence” doesn’t matter. All it takes is a grain of truth, even a seed of plausibility, to leverage POWERFUL, emotion-level, irresistible re-framing.

Re-framing. That’s my word of the month, possibly year, and perhaps decade.

Reaching into people’s subconscious and turning them like pancakes. (heh, heh, heh.)

A commenter called Cail Corishev, meanwhile, has some advice for those wanting to make their own fake memes.  “[I]f there’s a man’s fist in the image,” he writes, “try to make it a fat or wimpy, liberal-looking fist, not a real man’s.”

Ah yes, the good old “liberal-looking fist” ploy. Sixty percent of the time, it persuades every time!

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Jesalin
Jesalin
4 years ago

Totally off topic, but:

I finally got my confirmation yesterday! My surgery will be one month from today! I just need to figure out the travel arrangements.

It’s kind of amazing just how much a person can look forward to being knocked out and cut in various ways.

Ooglyboggles
4 years ago

@Jesalin
That’s great news, congratulations 😀 !

Myriad
Myriad
4 years ago

Congratulations, Jesalin. Your news is much more preferable than the dreck these guys call memes. May you have an uneventful surgery and swift recovery.

JS
JS
4 years ago

Ah, the classic Teddy Beale method. Whatever happens, whoever gets hurt, declare “Victory!!1!” afterwards. He’s never met a loss he can’t claim as a win.

This appears to be a common alt-reich delusion, that everything can be seen as a win from a certain point of view, and the other views don’t matter at all.

IgnoreSandra
4 years ago

Hell yeah, Jesalin!

Your victory is imminent <3 I'm so happy for you!

misophistry
misophistry
4 years ago

Fucking hell what a complete and total nazi. I would not spare vox a punch that’s for sure. He sounds just like hitler.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

the most effective rhetoric communicates truth without necessarily being literally truthful in the details. It persuades through emotion, not reason … .

So, Teddy is admitting that the manosphere, the alt-right, and the white male dudebros they see as persuadable are emotional, irrational and easily swayed. Not the uber rational masters of STEM that they make themselves out to be.

Good to know.

Scildfreja Unnyðnes
Scildfreja Unnyðnes
4 years ago

:O

@Jesalin! I’m so happy for you! I hope you can get the travel arrangements sorted! One week, that’s so fast! Go get’em!

Troubelle: Moonbeam Malcontent + Bard of the New Movement
Troubelle: Moonbeam Malcontent + Bard of the New Movement
4 years ago

So…bragging about being a liar, pretty much.

Fucking amazing.

Who?
Who?
4 years ago

So VD is no admitting that he is lying.
This from someone who proclaimed before that he “never lies on the internet”. (somewhere on File 770)
The sad thing is. People are following this guy and spend their money to hurt his imaginary enemys.

Scildfreja Unnyðnes
Scildfreja Unnyðnes
4 years ago

Aheh. White dudes overinflate their intelligence and consider everyone else gullible, story at 11.

The channers seem to think they’re movers and shakers because of Trump, as if their meme magic were responsible for the election. Nevermind that the actual win was due to for-profit actual-fake-news campaigns that were doing it to pursue ad dollars and donations, a la Rebel Media and Breitbart. Similar strategy, but the chanlords are far to disorganized and, frankly, dumb. They know how to lie, but they’re terrible at doing it convincingly.

Which is how we get Vox Day bragging about the lies on the public never-forgets-anything internet, with a campaign of stupid hate from some wannabe social engineers who think that chubby-fingered-fists and bruised women make a compelling argument for fascism. They’re just free-riding on the success of actual organized misinformation campaigns.

I’m basically calling them parasites, yes.

We have a problem with lies and misinformation right now, but it ain’t the chanlords that are the cause. They wish they were the cause.

Arctic Ape
Arctic Ape
4 years ago

“[I]f there’s a man’s fist in the image,” he writes, “try to make it a fat or wimpy, liberal-looking fist, not a real man’s.”

Dude, just photoshop the antifa logo on the back of the palm, like a tattoo. That’s easier and sends a clearer message. Or better yet, put a text label like in rightwing political cartoons.

Scildfreja Unnyðnes
Scildfreja Unnyðnes
4 years ago

@David, was there something malformed or wrong in my recent post on the Old Man Yells at Crowd post? It no posto :C

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
4 years ago

@ Jesalin

Adding to the best wishes!

MrsObedMarsh
MrsObedMarsh
4 years ago

“[I]f there’s a man’s fist in the image,” he writes, “try to make it a fat or wimpy, liberal-looking fist, not a real man’s.”

Thus, by a continuous shifting of rhetorical focus…

(Look up “Ur-Fascism.”)

Fujimoto
Fujimoto
4 years ago

I read a little of this shithead’s SJWs Always Lie. Reading between the lines, it stemmed entirely from his being thrown out of the Science Fiction Writers of America. It went on and on about how if you offend someone you’ll get campaigns dedicated to getting you fired. Naturally he didn’t say how being an openly racist misogynist tends to get one ostracized, and recommends doubling down on being an asshole. He claims he’s now working on SJWs Always Double Down, and the projection just gets funnier.

Jesalin
August 25, 2017 at 11:39 am
Totally off topic, but:

I finally got my confirmation yesterday! My surgery will be one month from today! I just need to figure out the travel arrangements.

It’s kind of amazing just how much a person can look forward to being knocked out and cut in various ways.

So happy to hear that, Jesalin!

Jayne
Jayne
4 years ago

Excellent post, but I believe that Vox Day isn’t in the eighth circle of hell, but rather the fifth, a swamp pit for the wrathful and sullen.

Gussie Jives
Gussie Jives
4 years ago

Yay Jes! 😀

*sigh* And then on to the awful….

literal truth, veracity or “evidence” doesn’t matter. All it takes is a grain of truth, even a seed of plausibility, to leverage POWERFUL, emotion-level, irresistible re-framing.

Congratulations, you’ve just described all that Gamergate ever was.

Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
4 years ago

They’re the poster child of how Madison Avenue does product packaging in order to manipulate people into buying landfill-filling crap they don’t need

Minor quibble, but the Mad Men haven’t really been a huge thing for decades. Any large corporation that woulda gone to them back then now has multimillion dollar, in house marketing and sales departments. Continuing from a previous thread, very few of these guys were born before or during the 60s. Neither was I, not even close. But I don’t think Mad Men is nonfiction, let alone contemporary. This is how these people know the past, from escapist TV shows. Just deify the mayuns, hate wank over the women, and assume that’s how anything works or should work. I shudder to think of these guys’ relationship with Walking Dead

@Jesalin
http://pa1.narvii.com/5766/fa6428978742aa4ade7c5386877fc3841fe32096_hq.gif

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
4 years ago

Congrats, Jesalin!

They’re the poster child of how Madison Avenue does product packaging in order to manipulate people into buying landfill-filling crap they don’t need.

The irony is, these guys are the epitome of the easily-visually-manipulated. They’re born Madison Avenue fodder, unable to think in terms any more complex than a crude, primitive meme. Over and over again, I see them arguing that whichever side has the better optics will win the war of ideas – fashier haircuts, sexier women, manlier fists. All it takes to persuade them is an image. Whether it’s true or not doesn’t matter (though they do get outraged when women “lie” with makeup).

And speaking of landfill-filling crap, these same guys are marching with Home Depot citronella torches and $400 worth of body armor and $2000 guns and all manner of other prepper shit, and spending who knows how much on plane tickets to fly to MAGA rallies and white supremacist marches, and buying obnoxious T shirts and hats, and spending $6000 to modify their Ford F-350s for coal-rolling. But they’re totally not susceptible to emotion-driven advertising, these brave independent thinkers who don’t need “stuff”. (And sooo oppressed…it takes a lot of money to fund all this)

Victorious Parasol
Victorious Parasol
4 years ago

I’m going to join in the Jesalin celebration. Vox Day can go suck a lemon.

Scildfreja Unnyðnes
Scildfreja Unnyðnes
4 years ago

I shudder to think of these guys’ relationship with Walking Dead…

Bingo.

These guys have been gushing about how cool the Nazis were for years. Like, I used to draw art on commission, and got more than a few “My character, but put them in an SS uniform – what do you mean you don’t want to do that? it’s just a character/It’s just for fun/It’s just a joke.”

It was never just for fun, was never just a joke. It was a way for them to express something that wasn’t socially acceptable. Now they think it’s acceptable because something-something-Trump, so they’re being sincere all of a sudden.

Zombie shows/video games? Fightin’ off the immigrants and the POCs, bein’ the lone hero. They frame it as “not conforming to globalist society”, as if that weren’t dog-whistl’y enough, but it’s really just about dehumanizing people they don’t like. Self-indoctrinating SS brigades.

Very sorry. I’m sorta twiggy about this today! Border control assholes are using a natural disaster to snare fleeing immigrants at the Mexican border, making them choose to risk their lives with the storm or risk deportation and separation of their families. Twitter egg asked how CBE could possibly do such a thing, and I replied that that’s just the sort of person who applied to work in CBE is. Ruining the lives of immigrants is the job description.

More entertaining news on the home front, though. The local Alberta United Conservative Party, after having shed the last vestiges of progressivism in a merger with the far-right Wild Rose Party, has been hammering away at the NDP (moderate left) government for wasteful spending and bloating the government with huge numbers of public jobs. Not only have the statistics shown these to be lies (of course), but … just today it was announced that they’re a quarter-million over their own party budget! and it’s due to … having too many staff! They’ve got more staff than the actual government!

I have had nothing but giggles over that since I found out this morning. Made even better by the fact that their former Finance guy was found to be skimming money and sub-letting government offices, then pocketing the rent for himself. Resigned in shame!

AND – they’ve been hammering the NDP for their carbon tax – while their own policies have a nearly identical carbon tax! It hasn’t been so bad up here, I guess.

And they think they can handle governing! My big fear (and it is big) is that their fear-mongering and Rebel Media support will actually propel them into power next election, based solely on Trump-style nativism. We have a lot of nazi assholes in this province and I can’t really deal with it. I’ll tell you what, though – I’ll be volunteering to keep the NDP in power when the election shows up.

That’s my story! I hope you are all well.

Citizen Rat
Citizen Rat
4 years ago

I prefer to refer to Theodore Beale as “voxman “, being that it was granted to him by the much more talented and socially aware (not to mention two-time Hugo Award nominee!) author Dr. Chuck Tingle.

Gussie Jives
Gussie Jives
4 years ago

@Scildfreja

The channers seem to think they’re movers and shakers because of Trump, as if their meme magic were responsible for the election.

I remember seeing a video on Majority Report I think it was where one of those dillholes with the “Kekistan” flags showed up at a Trump/white nationalist rally with a bunch of Pepe placards and was immediately tossed out for not taking their white supremacy seriously enough.

“But these are good memes, man!” the poor dope protested.

Jenora Feuer
Jenora Feuer
4 years ago

@Scildfreja:
Gah. I buy art commissions, and I would never ask for something like that. Just… gah. As you say, it’s all about trying to do something socially unacceptable with just the faintest of veneers of deniability.

Then again, I tend to go for ‘the artist should have fun, too’. So I tend to show a basic character reference, and then say ‘draw my character, dancing; whatever dance you want, whatever clothing you want, because I like seeing what people come up with.’

Life would be boring if I only got exactly what I asked for down to the last detail. More fun to give some leeway and get things I would never have thought of.

Bobbie Loblaw
Bobbie Loblaw
4 years ago

What worries me here is: yes, it’s ridiculous with any perspective, but this sort of thing works and shows that the far right really has a significant understanding of how to manipulate people online. We can laugh, but their ranks are building nonetheless.

Gussie Jives
Gussie Jives
4 years ago

I have had nothing but giggles over that since I found out this morning. Made even better by the fact that their former Finance guy was found to be skimming money and sub-letting government offices, then pocketing the rent for himself. Resigned in shame!

These people are making Ralph Klein look like Peter Lougheed.

Sinister Pigeon: Sombrero Golem
Sinister Pigeon: Sombrero Golem
4 years ago

It’s honestly somewhat telling how little perspective they have.

Channer: I am going to use emotionally charged manipulation and lies to convince the idiots to take up our cause! Those weak willed maroons are sure to fall for our propaganda!

Logic: And how did you get involved in the movement?

Channer: Someone told me that some feminist slept with some guys for reviews and it made me feel very emotionally charged to stop them!

personalpest
personalpest
4 years ago

1. Even more congrats, Jesalin!

2. Sorry, Vox, but Stephen Colbert said it all before–and better.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truthiness

Scildfreja Unnyðnes
Scildfreja Unnyðnes
4 years ago

@Gussie, my dad lost his job in the first round of Klein government cuts, and my family never really recovered from it. Hiss, boo, Klein.

@Jenora, Gussie, I know right? I played an MMO for awhile and the Goons were big into it, and they of course had their ironic-fascist look and feel. They were the ones asking for the Nazi-clone artwork, and where shocked at my thin-skinned refusal to draw their fascist-fetish-biopics as heroes.

I left the game largely because of them, too, them and their general attitude which had seeped into every corner of the game. Looking back it’s creepy how blatantly fascistic their organizations were. Charismatic leaders fronting for old-boys’-club leadership cabals, following orders as the ultimate virtue, any sense of fun or fair play being seen as weakness. Just awful. Great nazi training grounds.

Jojo Mojo
Jojo Mojo
4 years ago

I don’t know what’s happening but ill him in on cheering on Jesalin

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Also i can’t believe how dc.sunsets missed there opportunity to say pan-keks

Jojo Mojo
Jojo Mojo
4 years ago
misophistry
misophistry
4 years ago

Congratulations Jesalin. I understand how you can feel good going under the knife. I did too. xxx

SpukiKitty
SpukiKitty
4 years ago

@Jesalin
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….A CELEBRATORY HUG FOR YOU!

PeeVee the (Perpetually Ignored, Invisible but Noice) Sarcastic
PeeVee the (Perpetually Ignored, Invisible but Noice) Sarcastic
4 years ago

Yay, Jesalin! Congrats!

On topic:

I don’t ever, EVER want to hear about fake news from these assholes, ever again. Not when their worldview involves

Remember, the most effective rhetoric communicates truth without necessarily being literally truthful in the details.

“It’s okay to lie if it confirms my truth!” should never be considered something noble to aspire to.

Fuck Teddy and his ignorant sychophants.

Molloy, Moran, Malone
Molloy, Moran, Malone
4 years ago

Yeah, all this open, brazen Nazi shit has been fermenting for quite some time in just about every large community on the internet. It’s popped up everywhere, even a few furries, for god’s sake!

Speaking of, I am shocked, shocked, shocked I tell you, that the large forums which accrued substantial amounts of their popularity and base of users by rooting around the internet to find individuals and communities that were, in their estimation, below them on the social ladder, and subjecting them to targeted mass abuse, ended up contributing more than their share to the alt-reich and kindred movements. I don’t mean furries engaged in this sort of a behavior; I mean the forums which used them, for more than a decade, as a ludicrously low-hanging punching bag for bullying raids and the like. Shocking. Who could have guessed that people who got off on this kind of bullying and online would ever feel justified and proud of doing the same things in “real life”?

e: I was responding to what Scildfreja mentioned about goons & fascism.

Congratulations to Jesalin, too! I don’t know you, or what kind of surgery you’re getting, but it’s obvious that it’s good news all the same.

Rhuu - apparently an illiterati
Rhuu - apparently an illiterati
4 years ago

Congrats, Jesalin! May all your travel arrangements and subsequent plans go smoothly.

@Scildfreja: omg omg omg. That news is pretty hilarious, thanks for sharing. I’ll be back in the ol’ AB for a week in a week, so it’s nice to have a bit of knowledge of what the conservatives are doing.

(also I’m going to definitely buy some Purple Gas beer if I can find any, because SASKATOONSSSSSSSS!!!)

I also learned that purple gas is not an everywhere thing? Maybe just an Alberta thing?

Re: the article… I hate that some people will see these obviously fake memes and not dig any deeper, because they confirm ideas they already have.

Angi
Angi
4 years ago

Congratulation Jesalin

So Vox Day gives a lesson in propaganda and confirmes that the shitty things he says are nothing more than dirty lies.
I am not surprised.

Jesalin
Jesalin
4 years ago

Thanks!!

I was impatient before, but now that I have a solid date…*sigh* (lol)

MrsObedMarsh
MrsObedMarsh
4 years ago

Yay Jesalin! :clap:

Scildfreja Unnyðnes
Scildfreja Unnyðnes
4 years ago

Basically if you aren’t from the Canadian Prairies, you basically don’t know what a saskatoon is.

People! Saskatoons are berries, and they are delicious. They are like turbo blueberries. They’re tasty. They’re good for you. You should eat them.

I like Saskatoon ice cream. You should find some when you’re back! I know Fresons has some sometimes. Same with Co-op. Go get somes!

brian
brian
4 years ago

fat, wimpy, liberal-looking FISTS?
never mind the obvious question of “how does one make a FIST look “liberal”), this is one of those weird contradictions they always stumble into. this whole meme campaign is about making antifa look violent and scary… but this person simultaneously wants to make sure they don’t look like quote-unquote “REAL men.”
pick a fucking message. are antifa violent abusers to be feared and reviled, or pathetic beta cucks to be ridiculed?

Bina
4 years ago

@Jesalin, yay! Stay well until then, and get better quickly thereafter!

As for Teddy Boy, I guess lying is just “alt-truthtelling” to him, no?

SpukiKitty
SpukiKitty
4 years ago

I love the Alt-Reich’s “logic”….

* Propose stupid propaganda scheme.
* Scheme is a huge bust.
* “Great job, guys! It totally worked even though it didn’t! We’re such Übermensch!”

@Rhuu & Scildfreja
I have a soft-spot for Canada. They’re like a kinder, less ridiculous USA only with Friend, The Metric System and a HOT guy as the PM.
Also; I grew up across the river from Canada and have been there many times and grew up with plenty of Canadian TV.

Ahhhhh….The Hilarious House of Frightenstein.

SpukiKitty
SpukiKitty
4 years ago

They’re like a kinder, less ridiculous USA only with Friend, The Metric System and a HOT guy as the PM.

FRENCH! I meant “French”.

Darn timer thingy!

Banananana dakry: Fat, Short-Haired, and Deranged
Banananana dakry: Fat, Short-Haired, and Deranged
4 years ago

Of all the good stuff the USA missed out on, saskatoons and Purple Gas and all things related seem to be another few. Along with not having their heads so far up their asses WHY DO YOU MAKE ME ENVY YOU SO ahem.

All the luck, Jesalin! May it go well and may your recovery be smooth and not too obnoxious.

SpukiKitty
SpukiKitty
4 years ago

Banananana dakry: Fat, Short-Haired, and Deranged
August 26, 2017 at 2:40 pm

Of all the good stuff the USA missed out on, saskatoons and Purple Gas and all things related seem to be another few. Along with not having their heads so far up their asses WHY DO YOU MAKE ME ENVY YOU SO ahem.

All the luck, Jesalin! May it go well and may your recovery be smooth and not too obnoxious.

I never heard of Purple Gas and had no idea Saskatoon was a berry.

But I did get enjoy the pleasure that is….comment image
….NOW WHY CAN’T THEY SELL THIS IN THE STATES?!

SAVAGES!

Dalillama: Irate Social Engineer

A little late, but congratulations, Jesalin!

Rhuu - apparently am illiterati
Rhuu - apparently am illiterati
4 years ago

@SpukiKitty: wait, the US doesn’t have coffee crisp? Well I never!

(doesn’t even like them, haha, but is still mildly offended)

I just realised i never explained what purple gas is. It’s gas or diesel dyed purple for use on farms, that is taxed a little less. It’s purple so the government can track where it is being used, if they suspect it is being sold nefariously.

@Scildfreja: omg i’m sure i’ll be near both a co-op and a Fresons, i’ll see if i can find this ice cream!!

I learned that sometimes we have saskatoons out east, but they are called ‘service berries‘ which is way less appetising.