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Return of Kings decries “digital rights Kristallnacht” after The Daily Stormer is tossed off the internet

The Daily Stormer’s Andrew Anglin: Misunderstood satirist?

By David Futrelle

It’s not altogether surprising to see a writer at the far-right internet shitsheet Return of Kings crying “censorship” in the case of The Daily Stormer, the notorious neo-Nazi hate site that has been banished to the so-called Dark Web.

What is a little surprising is the language Return of Kings contributor “Jimbo Jones” used in his defense of the neo-Nazi site. “Years from now, ” Jimbo wrote in a post yesterday, “the ‘Unite the Right’ event in Charlottesville, Virginia may be remembered—oh so ironically—as a digital rights Kristallnacht” ushering in a new era of internet censorship.

Wait, what?

Kristallnacht (“The Night of Broken Glass”) refers, of course, to the Nazi-orchestrated orgy of anti-Jewish violence in November 1938 that destroyed thousands of Jewish homes, businesses and synagogues and led to the deaths of hundreds of German Jews. To use the terms to describe the booting of a neo-Nazi site from the public internet is, well, pretty fucking egregious.

Jimbo also repurposes “First they came,” that famous poem from German Lutheran pastor Martin Niemöller lamenting the cowardice of German intellectuals in the face of Hitler, in his defense of the neo-Nazi site. Classy, dude.

Similarly egregious is Jimbo’s attempt to disguise the truly vile nature of The Daily Stormer, which he described as

a satirical website that the mainstream media labels as “neo-Nazi,” “anti-semitic” and “white supremacist,” among other arbitrary, self-serving descriptors .. .

Not even close. The writers and commenters at The Daily Stormer may make a lot of obnoxious jokes, but there is nothing satirical about the site; it’s run by a self-described neo-Nazi who is sincere in his hatred of Jews and people of color as Hitler himself was. Judging from their comments, most of his readers are equally sincere in their hatreds. Nothing ironic about these Nazis.

Indeed, the Daily Stormer sent a contingent to the “Unite the Right” march in Charlottesville, with one of the site’s regular contributors telling Vice News that the rally

means we are showing to this parasitic class of anti-white vermin that this is our country, it was built by our forefathers, and it will remain our country … At some point, we will have enough power that we will clean them from our streets forever! That which is degenerate in white countries will be removed!

Hilarious, right?

Ironically, most hardcore alt-right neo-Nazis — like the kind who read and write The Daily Stormer — consider Return of Kings publisher Roosh Valizadeh, who is of Persian and Armenian descent, one of those “parasites,” and would boot him from their utopian white ethnostate even more quickly than The Daily Stormer was booted off the public internet after Charlottesville. That is, if they didn’t simply kill him outright.

At this point my Irony Meter has been broken so many times I think it’s probably beyond repair.

 

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Ooglyboggles
Ooglyboggles
4 years ago

Digital Kristallnacht

As opposed to the actual Kristallnacht. Which actually happened. Where alot of actual people died.

IgnoreSandra
4 years ago

The existence of the Daily Stormer is an argument for censorship of the internet, tbh.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
4 years ago

“First they came,” that famous poem from German Lutheran pastor Martin Niemöller

That poem is probably particularly apposite in the cases of people like Roosh or Milo and their non Aryan, non straight, non whatever fellow travellers in the alt-right.

Niemöller himself was an avid supporter of the Nazis when they were attacking people who weren’t him. But he came to learn the hard way that previous enthusiastic collaboration provided no immunity when it came to his turn.

(Personally I’m of the opinion Niemöller only wrote that poem to save his own skin when the Allies had won. Wonder if Milo will similarly play the prodigal son card when they turn on him?)

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

Hitler killed 6 million people satirically so it totally doesn’t count. If you SJWs weren’t so uptight and PC, you’d laugh at the holocaust too!

I mean, really. What do these assholes have to do for these other assholes to stop using the satire defense. At this point, I would not be surprised if there was someone out there who has actually said my first paragraph word for word. Only seriously.

Victorious Parasol
Victorious Parasol
4 years ago

I’m remembering my ol’ German professor now. He was involved in the liberation of the camps, and his scholarly passion was dealing with Holocaust deniers. When I was working as his student assistant, that meant I had to help catalog and file all of the Holocaust-denier material he’d collected. He was a very sweet man, but he’d get passionate about the Holocaust. It *had* happened. He’d seen the evidence for himself. He wasn’t a swearing man, but I saw him come close a couple times.

I’m tempted to say that the Daily Stormer would break his heart, but on reflection, I think he’d sigh, then square his shoulders to deal with them. He was that kind of man.

Fishy Goat
Fishy Goat
4 years ago

@WWTH Holocaust deniers, probably.

Iseult The Idle
Iseult The Idle
4 years ago

I, for one, am over and done with the “it’s just a joke!” excuse. That site is absolutely not satire; neo-Nazis are not just “talking shit on the Internet”; death threats are not jokes.

Holy shit, I’m tired of these intellectual amoebae.

This Handle is a Test
This Handle is a Test
4 years ago

For what it’s worth, neimoller did oppose Hitler well before he would have been in the crosshairs. He wasn’t selfless like the White Rose but I don’t think he was trying to save his skin either.

Morgaine le Fée
Morgaine le Fée
4 years ago

It’s so hearthbreaking see that disgraceful Anglin doing a nazi heil in my very homecountry. Hope he got arrested since fascism is now forbidden in Italy.
Italy suffered a lot under nazism and fascism, I don’t want that part of history be back again, neither there nor everywhere else in the world.

dlouwe
dlouwe
4 years ago

a satirical website that the mainstream media labels as “neo-Nazi,” “anti-semitic” and “white supremacist,” among other arbitrary, self-serving descriptors …

… satirical of what exactly? You satirize things you disagree with. Jonathan Swift didn’t support eating babies.

runsinbackground
runsinbackground
4 years ago

Wouldn’t being “banned from the internet” require action by ICANN? Like, if GoDaddy and Google don’t want to host your site, you can look elsewhere (like some Russian nocturnal airline/government entity, for a completely random example) for your hosting, and you can even buy a server box, and a great big pipe to go with it, and host it yourself on your own property; the only reason that wouldn’t work would be if ICANN refused to allow you to use their DNS servers, which is not a thing that happens to regular people who don’t want to register a new TLD or something. If weev is too bone-idle to manage his own business in such a way that it’s accessible to his customers that’s his problem.

cat
cat
4 years ago

gosh this is so like rain on your wedding day

draconicempress
draconicempress
4 years ago

First they came for the Nazis and I said “hell yeah fuck ’em up do you need any help let’s make it a party”

Troubelle: Moonbeam Malcontent + Bard of the New Movement
Troubelle: Moonbeam Malcontent + Bard of the New Movement
4 years ago

…This is the worst kind of cultural appropriation, first and foremost.

I don’t have much else to say on the article, so I’ll bring up something tangentially relevant: I talked to one of the people who’s teaching the online German class I’m taking, and he was a pretty cool guy. Dude was even willing to do research as to what non-standard pronouns nonbinary people use when it comes to the German language, and was fully prepared to address me as such (I’m genderqueer, but am at the moment fine with feminine pronouns (she/her, or in the case of German, “sie” and so forth)).

Also, I tried huckleberry hibiscus soda. Not my thing.

PeeVee the (Perpetually Ignored, Invisible but Noice) Sarcastic
PeeVee the (Perpetually Ignored, Invisible but Noice) Sarcastic
4 years ago

Fuck The Daily Stormer and fuck Return Of Kings.

Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
4 years ago

“neo-Nazi,” “anti-semitic” and “white supremacist,” among other arbitrary, self-serving descriptors .. .

‘SJW’ and ‘feminazi’ are his favorite words, guaranteed…

Haise, the husky puppy
Haise, the husky puppy
4 years ago

Sorta-kinda surprised how those neo-nazis who may read the daily stormer haven’t started some witch hunt for Roosh considering his own background and history. He isn’t white enough for neo-nazis.

But at this point, I don’t care. Different trash, same bin.

History Nerd
History Nerd
4 years ago

The Daily Stormer was dropped from Cloudflare’s anti-DDoS and security services (until then Cloudflare had a strict content neutrality policy), so their servers immediately went down once they had no DDoS protection. Dropping them was a personal decision by Cloudflare’s CEO. They’re currently running the site on their own server using Tor for security and DDoS protection, which means their service is much slower and the site is harder to access for people who don’t have good computer skills.

dlouwe
dlouwe
4 years ago

@runsinbackground

That’s a good point. It’s the ol’ freeze peach argument all over again. These are private businesses who are free to refuse service for pretty much any reason that doesn’t violate discrimination laws. And I’m pretty sure that literal Nazis are not a protected class.

Roberta Loblaw
Roberta Loblaw
4 years ago

Nope. Wasn’t built by “our” forefathers, but by the abducted Africans they kept enslaved. If we wanted it to be ‘our’ country, we shoulda picked our own damn cotton. That ship has sailed.

History Nerd
History Nerd
4 years ago

They actually need to provide services to the general public without pre-screening or denying service on a totally arbitrary basis. But it’s a good enough reason if the company opposes what you stand for.

Dan Kasteray
Dan Kasteray
4 years ago

i have to say that these guys have already done so much against freedom of speech on the internet. Whenever some kind of oppressive internet crackdown thing like SOPA or FIFA or whatever comes around, these guys overwhelmingly support it because supposeldy it’s good for big business and therefore good for whites.

Like how Gamergate clowns supported a guy who literally wanted to shut down all video games forever because he hated Anita Sarkesian.

They’re literally people who sit on the high end of the sinking Titanic and laugh at all the other people panicking about drowning; then claw, piss and scream as they plunge into the freezing water with the SJW-thingies they profess to hate so much.

Honestly, seeing Stormer, Breitfart and Rebel Media in Canada take advertising hits like this really, really fills my heart with joy.

Bobbie Loblaw
Bobbie Loblaw
4 years ago

“Our Forefathers” shoulda picked their own damn cotton if they wanted it to be their country.

History Nerd
History Nerd
4 years ago

Milo Yiannopoulos claimed that net neutrality is a form of Marxism, but ending net neutrality would be pretty bad for 4chan and other offensive sites ISP’s may not want to support.

brian
brian
4 years ago

The EFF has had a lot to say on the topic of the Daily Stormer losing its hosting, etc. Mostly along the lines of “it’s not good that monolithic for-profit megacorps can effectively decide who can or cannot have a website” which I think are good and relevant points to discuss… that said, Fuck the Daily Stormer.

AngryWarthogBreath
AngryWarthogBreath
4 years ago

Well, it does mean I get to upgrade my description of Roosh V to his fans (such as Australian senator Cory Bernardi) from “rapist and rape supporter” to “rapist, rape supporter, and friend to Nazis”. That’s worth something, I bet.

History Nerd
History Nerd
4 years ago

I agree with the EFF in its concerns. Cloudflare needs a consistent policy on harassment and hate speech, but I’m not exactly bawling my eyes out that Nazis are getting a taste of what it’s like for someone to target you without any due process. I oppose the death penalty in all civilian cases, but I’m not losing sleep over people who raped and murdered children getting executed.

It’s important to note that using Tor can really suck, and I don’t think the Daily Stormer’s readers care enough about improving themselves to know how to use it well:

Nequam
Nequam
4 years ago

Dear Anglin:

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
4 years ago

Ah, the central paradox of Holocaust denial. “It never happened. But the Jews deserved it.”

It’s a pattern with these guys. They complain about something (Kristallnacht, censorship, oppressive gender roles) while also admiring it.

epronovost
epronovost
4 years ago

Ah, the Schrodinger joke, my favorite defense of the bigots who cannot fully accept their label due to social stigma and shame. It’s pretty simple. If you think that what they said was repulsive, threatenning or simply incredibly stupid, it was a joke and you should learn to live a little. If you agree with them or think they are having a point, then it was said in a straight fashion. It’s the favorite weapon of the bigot that hides beneath the mantle of the troll and agitator.

Their second favorite weapon is the good old ”free speech” defense. Any reaction of disgust at their opinions and ideas that would result in a push-back be it by boycotting those who would finance their activity or provide help to organise them up to expressing that disgust in a mirror fashion to theirs is automatically intolerent and a danger to the very concept of freedom of speech. This means they want all the power, but none of the responsability all the while being fundamentally opposed to the concept of individuals having power.

Otrame
Otrame
4 years ago

Bobbie Loblaw:

“Our Forefathers” shoulda picked their own damn cotton if they wanted it to be their country.

QFFT

SpukiKitty
SpukiKitty
4 years ago

When these jerks say stuff like “This is our country!” I’d answer with; “Okay, genius; What INDIGENOUS AMERICAN TRIBE do you belong to?!”

I’ve come down to the conclusion that when these bigots….

* ….apply terms like “Kristallnacht” to their own misfortune….
* ….borrow a term (Red/Blue Pill) from a movie series written by transwomen….
* ….wear a Johnny Cash T-Shirt (despite Johnny Cash being anathema to Alt-Wrong hate stuff)….
* ….use music from artists, without permission, who would oppose the Far-Right agenda….
* ….ETC….ETC….ETC….

….I think they do it on purpose. They do it to troll us. It’s similar to the weird sort of appropriation that turned a goofy peace-loving stoner frog/internet meme into an Alt-Wrong hate symbol.

I also call these jerks, The Alt-WRONG.

JS
JS
4 years ago

Today on #FoxNews
http://i.imgur.com/wEcHX3e.jpg
This dog was found on my porch back in February.

misophistry
misophistry
4 years ago

Nice doggy…

What can I say that y’all haven’t already said so well.

I laugh at roosh v and hope he gets the boot too.

Arctic Ape
Arctic Ape
4 years ago

First they came by themselves, and I said nothing for I didn’t really want to be even watching.

Sheila Crosby
4 years ago

I recently came across the idea that tolerance isn’t a moral imperative so much as a peace treaty. The minute one party starts advocating violence and/or mass deportations, much less genocide, they’ve broken the treaty and we don’t have to abide by it any more.

Nanny Oggs Bosom
Nanny Oggs Bosom
4 years ago

I got nothin’. Not a witty thought. How are we still fighting fascists 72 years after WW2 ended? I hate these fools, do none of them have family who suffered during the war? Civilian grand/great grandparents who had to live under Occupation and/or with food shortages, bombing and the risk of death, forced labour, concentration camps? Serving grand/great grandparents who fought, were captured, starved, forced into labour camps, killed? How are they so ignorant, forgetful, disrespectful?

There is nothing satirical about a website promoting the hate that killed millions of people.

Newt
Newt
4 years ago

“cat” wrote:

gosh this is so like rain on your wedding day

How Do You Do, Fellow Cats!

kiki
kiki
4 years ago

gosh this is so like rain on your wedding day

It’s like may-ee-aaaaaaames
When you’re really a shit

kiki
kiki
4 years ago

Ah, the Schrodinger joke

I believe this is also known as Schrodinger’s Douchebag. Most concisely expressed by the noted philosopher Krusty T. Klown, when he said: “I was kidding! When you make that face, I was kidding!”

Molloy, Moran, Malone
Molloy, Moran, Malone
4 years ago

weirwoodtreehugger: Not to nitpick, but the Nazis killed an awful lot more than 6 million people. 6 million Jews, and (by most estimates) at least another 5 million people, among them leftists, union members, disabled people, LGBT folk, and so forth. I know you’re more than likely aware of this, I just wanted to take the opportunity to emphasize that the enormity of the crimes of the Nazis goes beyond the Shoah. This isn’t to imply the Holocaust is undeserving of the scholarly and popular attention it receives, of course, nor that this extermination of political dissidents and other “undesirables” is even comparable to their attempt to complete wipe all traces of Jewish people from the face of the earth. Only that the other victims died too, and Nazis, past, present, and future, deserve to have the true extent of the horrors they caused be public knowledge. They should have it shoved in their faces and down their throats, and, if they’re going to try to spread their odious philosophy, they should have to do so to a public which is keenly aware of what they’ve done.

I know that knowledge of the Holocaust (by which I mean the campaign to exterminate the Jewish population, specifically) doesn’t dissuade Nazis, but maybe if some of the disaffected blue-collar white guys, construction workers, plumbers, etc (i.e. a demographic which is strongly represented in Neo-Nazi groups, to put it mildly) who would be otherwise be amenable to the nativism, the fantasy of superiority, the convenient scapegoats, all the security blankets that Nazism provides, knew how easily they could end up victims, “Aryan” or no, they’d think twice. I realize that there is approximately a 0% chance that anyone in that demographic who is currently weighing the pros and cons of becoming a Nazi is reading these comments, but it bears mentioning all the same. Sorry if this post is a little incoherent, I haven’t slept too much or too well for the better part of a week. I don’t mean to seem like I’m calling you out or anything. I just wanted to expand on what you said.

@JS: That sure is an interesting dog. I’m jealous, there are foxes which live in the forest behind my parent’s summer house, but we never see them, we just hear them screaming bloody murder, which is less cute, but knowing they’re there, doing their own thing, makes me happy all the same.

Troubelle: Moonbeam Malcontent + Bard of the New Movement
Troubelle: Moonbeam Malcontent + Bard of the New Movement
4 years ago

@Molloy, Moran, Malone

Don’t forget Romani people. They got pretty fucked in that, too, and they didn’t even get reparations until decades later. (It comes to mind likely because a Holocaust survivor came to speak at my middle school, and while I believe he himself was Jewish, he did mention how “g*psy” was a slur for Romani people. It’s the only part I clearly remember, aside from me trying to give him a butterscotch.)

Molloy, Moran, Malone
Molloy, Moran, Malone
4 years ago

You’re right, I ought to have mentioned the fact that they, too, were targeted for extermination; however, the point I was trying (and probably failing) to make in the latter half of my comment was that perhaps the revelation that the Nazis of yore also saw fit to treat an awful lot of people who, in all likelihood, looked *gasp* an awful lot like the average person who might be interested in joining up with the Neo-Nazi. Hypothetically, if this fact was better known, it might make at least some of people just a little more leery of hitching themselves to that specific post. It’s cynical, but if they don’t care about, happily minimize, celebrate, or outright deny what happened to the Jews, I can’t imagine that they would have any significant empathy for/visceral reaction to what the Nazis did to another group which they likely know next to nothing about, except, perhaps, that they don’t look like them and aren’t up to their standards of “racial purity”. Hearing about how (white, German/Aryan) unionists, on the other hand….

I know that a lot of American Neo-Nazis have backgrounds in the types of jobs which have very heavy union presence. Maybe airing this information would give at least a tiny number of them some pause when thinking about which horse to back. It’s profoundly disturbing that, y’know, the MILLIONS and MILLIONS of other people who were exterminated mean less than nothing to them, but maybe their capacity for empathy, defective though it may be, would be able to finally internalize that, gee, maybe these Nazi guys aren’t all they’re cracked up to be? Of course, even in this hypothetical, somebody simply not identifying as a Nazi doesn’t mean all of their other political beliefs would change; this person would still be a far-right white nationalist. So, the best case scenario is only a teeny, tiny improvement, but still. I’d take it.

I hope that was clear.

SpukiKitty
SpukiKitty
4 years ago

@ Molloy, Moran, Malone

Awesome plan. I agree we need to emphasize that the Nazis didn’t target just Jewish people. They targeted many groups and demographics (including those that some today’s NeoNazis may belong to).

It’s also important to emphasize that Slavs were also a huge target and that Slavic/Russian/Ukrainian NeoNazis would have been exterminated under Hitler’s regime.

Finally; It’s time to take back the term “Aryan” and return it to the Iranian/Central Asian/Northern Indian faces it belongs too….comment image
….Heck; IRAN means “Aryan/Land of the Aryans”.

REAL ARYANS ARE NOT NORDIC/GERMANIC GUYS!

bluecat
bluecat
4 years ago

I tend to agree with JRR Tolkien who objected that “Aryan” (in so far as it meant anything) meant Indo-European. As in languages, those spoken from Sri Lanka to Iceland. Or, in context, it doesn’t mean what Nazis think it means. I doubt anything does, ever.

And yes, the Romany and the Zinti in the Holocaust, let’s not forget them either.

A friend visited Auschwitz some years ago and the tour guide told the group “Here is where the gypsies were kept, and even here they did no work.” In fact they were given no work – and no shelter either, in the Polish winter – to the extent that mothers used to fight to get their children “accepted” for medical experiments, because inside the “hospital” block they would at least be warm, and probably fed.

I don’t have any answers for dealing with people who think that’s funny, trivial, or a good idea, or something they might like to inflict on other people who are not them. I’m keen to prevent them marching in my town, though.

Molloy, Moran, Malone
Molloy, Moran, Malone
4 years ago

Wait, the tour guide at Auschwitz made a racist joke about the Romani? On the tour? The tour at AUSCHWITZ?!

History Nerd
History Nerd
4 years ago

The Nazis were fine allowing an economically left-wing faction, but they betrayed those people at the earliest opportunity.

Murdering people with disabilities was also strongly rejected by most of the German public, even though Hitler’s opinion that the physically disabled and mentally ill should get a “merciful death” was mainstream. The Nazis continued the “euthanasia” program in secret after the public backlash.

Granola60
Granola60
4 years ago

Nazis/alt-right do not “do” satire. There is no humor in anything they say, just racist, misogynistic, xenophobic garbage. I wager that true satire would go over most of their tiny heads.