By David Futrelle
I thought I would end this week by setting aside the Nazi Menace for a minute so we can plunge once again into the swirling male-strom of Men Going Their Own Way. Today’s MGTOW adventure comes in the form of a very long, though not very well proofread manifesto that some dude called Zachary left in the comments here about a week ago. I didn’t let it through moderation then because I wanted to share it with you all.
Zachary offers his highly scientific opinions on such pressing issues of the day as 1) why women should pretty much devote all their attention to “child baring,” 2) how women don’t appreciate that “US WHITE WESTERN MEN we BUILT EVERYTHING,” 3) how “[w]omen never hunted a fucking wooly mammoth ok,” and of course 4) SEX ROBOTS.
Let’s begin:
firstof all this is a self described Anti trump Anti White Male Blog, you admit that in the description. You should admit it in the comments.
Well, he’s right about the Trump thing, so I’ll give him a point for that.
2ndof all. the REASON women HAVE to be attractive, is because THATS JUST REALITY its ALL they have going for them ITS BIOLOGY and if you THINk for ONE SECOND that women are NOT supposed to be attractive, youre discounting millionsof years of evolutionary adaptaion…the dominance hierarchy has been around before we were even mamals, so stop acting lik women are intrested in anything but money and looks…..women ONLY care about how “good” a an is, ranking us all, constantly lookng for something better, and its not BAD its just NATURE women have to care for a baby and so want the best they can get for that child….its fucking biology stop DENYING uitr
men and women are NOT equal. Men have to work and invest things, and fight wars to defend you (Oh go ahead say “from other men” as if that means a damn thing) and women have to have babis. Sorry but women ave babies, so thats ALL you need to do, is have babis.
Wait, is it “babies” or “babis,” I need to know!
You have status for just existing. you DONT ADMIT that you HAVE IT EASY and then you WANT MORE money….while MEN and MGTOW just want our CHILDREN and our MONEY back…..why wont you women ever admit that women just steal mens money and kids, its a fact, you gusy trake all our shit,
Yeah,, you gusy, stop traking all his shit!
and its why us MGTOW have decided to NOT get married or live with women, or have children with western women, because its NOT all women who are ROTTEN TO TEH CORE its you nasty western american women, and any woman who is a “feminist”” and if youre NOT a traditionalist your a foolish feminist, following the rules set out by MEN to convince you to simply leave the home, leave your kids with the state and join th workforce to raise more taxes and become a slave to make other men more money!
Well, yeah, capitalism sucks in a lot of ways, but I’m pretty sure no women on earth would prefer marriage to you to even the shittiest job.
Russian and eastern european women are not feminist and they are perfectly normal women who charish their men, who dont have stupid pointless “careers” which are NOT careers you women have JOBS jobs you HATE and you LIE about t and are uNHAPPy and you are mEANT to be housewives and raise children and youre FOOLS for giving that lifestyle up for depression and your ovaries drying up!
For what it’s worth, women made up 48.7% of the workforce in Russia as of 2016, which is actually a little higher than the percentage in the United States (45.8%), according to the World Bank.
Youre SICk and your telling us we need to be reprogrammed?!?
Well, at the very least you need to reboot your typing module.
All of you American women are the same and youre monsters compared to Rusian or eastern european women or even some Asian women. You have to realize that natue is real, you were born female, youre NOT as intelligent as men, youre NOT as capable as Men in any way other than child baring and thats IT dont TELL us that women invented all of modern civilization, US MEN built it US WHITE WESTERN MEN we BUILT EVERYTHING and the computer your using the internet, ALl of it, e built it
That’s not actually true, but even if it were, I’m not sure why Zachary here should get vicarious credit for the work of other dudes.
and you seem to think a fw comments from some redit users represents all of MGTOW?
Dude, let’s just say that you’re not exactly dispelling any alleged myths about MGTOWs here.
let me tell u something about most Mgtow, forst of all u seem to be so atracted to us, writing blogs about us, youre LOVING our male agression and dominance, you LOVE being put in your place, you ALL want Mgtow men So badly because the ONE secret men teach other men about women, is that when you ignore women they go crazy and want you! Because they want to know WHY youre ignoring them and will start giving YOU attention.
Even though I’m a dude, I think I can speak for all women in saying: No, dude, the women of the world do not secretly want you, “badly” or any other way, and most would rather chew their own hands off than go on a date with you.
You women think you have any chance at winning some sort of intellectual battle witrh us men who program and buil and maintain al of society?
I’m fairly certain that you personally do none of these things.
Why dont you women go ouyt and try working the dangerous hazardous jobs us men do, nope, u just want the fun high paying jobs!
You’re honestly mad at women for preferring jobs that pay well and don’t suck to shit-paying jobs they hate? EVERYONE PREFERS THOSE JOBS. Not many of any gender can get them.
And women CHOOSE to ork lss THATS why you get paid less,
Lss ork means lss moenyy, ladies!
ITS A CHOICE you CHOOSE to go be with your familis whih is actually MORE important than money…..but you have to be SO COMPETITIVE and you HAVE to have JUST AS MUCH MONEY as a man even if youre not performing at the same level, like womens soccor, you think women should be paid just as much as mens soccor players? Well they dont make as much money selling tickets! they dont have as many peopel watchng so they CANt get as much money!
STAND UP AGAINST THE MISANDRY OF WOMEN’S SOCCER SORRY SOCCOR SALARIES
u wome dont undertand such SIMPLE concepts and its telling that youre in love with Mgtow!
You LOVE mgtow men bcauise we are INDEPENDENt AND we can get laid WHENEVER WE WANT
Yes, you certainly do sound like someone who gets laid whenever he wants.
And lets say there is a man who cant get laiud, lets say hes low status or hes fat or ugly, and he has no charm. Guess what? he can save up $200 and easily have sex with an extrenely attractive hookr, and that woman is proof that you have no argument!
I’m not sure that many women are making the argument that prostitution doesn’t exist.
And now, I regret to have to tell you, dear readers, he offers some thoughts on rape.
getting LAID is NOT some magial poer women have control over. men can get laid whenever they want. We can PHYSIOCALLy have sex with ANY woman we want if we REALLY wantd, that woul be rape but honestly you women seem like you dont care when us men get raped in prison and dont “count” that so I would like to know why men shouldnt rapoe women if you women think its ok for us MEN to get raped?
Why do so many of these dudes spend so much of their time trying to come up with excuses as to why rape is ok?
Never mind, I think that one answers itself.
Honstly id like to knopw, it doesnt seem very fair, i dont think rape is ok for eithr men or women, unlike you women who seem to think men in prison DESERVE to get rapoed…hmmm thats real “compasionaite” of you leftists
It’s true that lots of people (in the US at least) joke about prison rape, but I don’t think many of them are leftists or feminists. Leftists and feminists tend to think that prisons are shitty and that rape is horrible, wherever it happens and whoever the victims are.
Oh and you also are in lov with trump! all of you women who “hate” Trump, remembr, Love trumps harte and so you really should LOVE trump, hah, got you by your own bumper sticker!
Woah, SICK BURN ALERT.
You really have to not open youself up to such hardcore penetration of my ideas into the womb of your pyche,
Ewwww.
its realy not even fun. Its ljust work
Hate to tell you this, dude, but you are very bad at your work.
i have to write this comment, knowing yuoull be a coward and just delete it, because YOU NEED to see that youre in an ECHO CHAMBER and youre just writing this BLOG bcause youre LOOSING the information war!
Why would I delete such an amazing piece of self-owning nonsense as this?
You women are SO SCARED of Mgtrow growing into an even bigger movement
Wait it’s MGTROW now? I shudder to think what that R stands for.
WHich it is, its too late, and you omen will SIMPLY have to start being NICE to us men, and stop being total bitches
Why would any “omen” want to be nice to a boiling pustule of rage like you?
not IONCE have ytou aid ‘Thank You” for us white men inventing the Computer your using, the Intrnet your using, the fiber optic cabls its goint through the LCD scren ur watching the keybaord or tablet touschcren or smartphone your using, teh LETRICITy the AC current you using, a white man named nikola tesla inventd AC current in th Poer Line AND the radio waves youre getting you wifi frm! the car the planes you use, all invented by White Males, everything EVERYTHING you use in modern civilization, 99 percent of all useful inventions, all by white males! So why arent you worshiping us? Whre is this HATE coming from???
Dude, I’m pretty sure no women is obliged to worship you because Tesla invented some cool shit.
Why do you hate trump? WHy cant you even watch ONE speech? U simply watch MSNBC and read stupid leftist fake news articles and watch Colvbrt Lie about RUSSIA and trumps “collusion” which is a total lie, and you BELIVE it, and you PARROT this LIE that trump is a sexist….its pathetic
I’ve watched many Trump speeches, and let’s just say none of them made me like the man more.
and women hunting Mammoths is a joke! Maybe iut hapned ONCE but just because u saw it on some PBS special doesnt man its real, Feminits just made that story up, omen never hunted a fucking wooly mammoth ok? Women arent strong enough. Women are weak compared to men and women cannot fucking hunt wooly mamoths you just dont have the corindation and strength or stamina or spacial reasoning, stop acting like its SEXIST to STATE those FACTS they ARE NOT hate facts, its the TRUTH
I’m pretty sure that neither women nor men hunted mammoths on the regular back in the day, because, here’s the thing: mammoths can fucking kill you. And how are you going to eat all of that meat before it goes bad? I suspect our cave men and cave women ancestors were much more likely to hunt much smaller animals that could not kill them.
Oh and heres another thing about prostitution. I have never hadto usea hooker, but if you are a man who does, irts not hard, and you women jut hate th idea that men cant get laid whenever they want, without dealing with your shit….and you just HATE it…u HATE being obsolte
Prostitution has been around pretty much forever and it has yet to make women “obsolte.”
well i got another word for you honey, Sex Robots….
That’s two words.
they will eplace you bitchy nagging women so fast. Sorry but its true you guys are just bitchy and its annoying and men just wont oput up with youy untill you start waking us up with fellatiop out of COMPASSION , you have to trat us with respect and recognize our physical dominance ovr you, or you can watch us fuck a sex robot , its your choice,
And with that lovely image he ends his manifesto.
Though he ends it not with a period but with a comma, as if he might start typing again any moment. Hell, he might be off somewhere typing still.
This was all, by the way, intended as a rebuttal to the post Women don’t belong in nerd-friendly “male spaces,” because nerd girls are ugly, MGTOW explains and the comments it inspired.
@ Paradoxy
That’s such a brilliant idea!
(But why can’t they just put those on the sheets in the first place? *shuffles off muttering about ‘late stage capitalism’*)
For what it’s worth, the overwhelming majority of Polish women that I know have far more in common with Krystyna Janda’s character in Andrzej Wajda’s film Man of Marble than they do with the meek, docile stereotypes being peddled by our friend and his chums.
Happily, YouTube has an English-subtitled trailer that gives a necessarily brief but nonetheless pretty indelible impression of what I’m talking about:
Regarding mammoth hunting.
I’ve read that early humans would hunt large animals by chasing them off cliffs, early humans were a lot smarter than modern humans give them credit for. I’m guessing the meat was used to feed the whole tribe, and that hunting, transporting, and prepping food was a group effort involving men and women.
Oh, and women invented beer.
Thanks for all the welcome backs everyone. I’ve missed you so much that I actually just went and read through the whole necroed Cassie Jaye thread and marvelled at your takedown of trolls. It took hours but I regret nothing
My trick for fitted sheets is to do opposite corners first.
SHIT! That’s let the cat out of the bag. When you are told a secret, the idea is that you DO NOT blather it…..ah, never mind, it’s too late now anyway.
Traitor! You are herewith expelled from the Wimmin Haterz Klub.
On a side note. Those bedsheet clips; they’re just the dangly bits from a suspender belt. Very clever re-purposing.
@Mish,
Sending positive thoughts to your brother and family.
@Everyone,
I really enjoyed the commentary on manospherian fetishization of Slavic women by many here.
Essentialization leads nowhere good and therefore I exert conscious effort not to essentialize my own beloved into “the Russian woman”; yet she *is* Russian, she is the one in my life, and the reality is that Ms. Pavlov’s House is the Russian woman I see when I wake up in the morning, lay down at night and whom I hug tight in between, and I’ve learned about what she thinks Russian femininity from, well, *her*. She’s given me many living examples of the totally messed up nature of the penchant for fetishization of Russian and other Slavic women that’s found among the types the commenter David quotes here. (Sorry that’s a poorly-worded sentence).
Ms. Pavlov’s House and the other Russian and Ukrainian women I’ve known (mostly Ms. Pavlov’s House’s friends and some work colleagues of my own) construct and enact their gender is just as complex a set of ways as any other human being.
It’s sad that someone thinks that a heterosexual women being fiercely independent and cherishing her lover are somehow mutually exclusive.
I have no doubt whatsoever that had we been together in the *real* Pavlov’s House in 1942, she would have fought at my side with a ferocity equal or surpassing anyone’s.
David, if you’re reading I really think you should devote a whole post to the subject of the fetishization of Slavic (and other East European) women on the part of people like RooshV, etc.
Oh yeah, one of Ms. Pavlov’s House’s and my favorite stories of WWII Soviet women pilots is where one of the fighter pilots, I think Litvyak or Budanova, is offered a gold watch as a gift from a Luftwaffe pilot she shot down who expressed his admiration for her bravery and beauty. She flatly tells him “I don’t accept gifts from my enemy.”
I can tell someone has never been to Eastern Europe when he characterizes Eastern European women like they’re the answer to all his MGTOW prayers. It must take some work to be that wrong about that much.
I think he meant MGTROLL. At least that’s what crossed my mind when I read “Mgtrow” out loud. The whole MGTOW movement is a freak show, but it does make you laugh. Just a bunch of trolls trying their best to be taken seriously. 😀
Whe these manbabies have to go poop, they drop their MGTROW.
If that was true then MGTOWS would have a very short time frame of being such because they’d stop being MGTOWS the second this mythical turn around from women had occurred, but instead, we see guys just go deeper and deeper into that pit.
Just remember, Folks, “the dominance hierarchy has been around before we were even mamals.”
I’m dying here!
Hello.
> Mish
I am sorry for your brother, your family and you.
> On topic
Maybe White Men have not invented spell checkers so that is the reason he does not see the necessity to use one ?
Apparently, there are no women in the southern hemisphere. Maybe there is even no southern hemisphere at all !
Thanks, but there are enough pornos on internet not to waste time with your sextape.
I can not tell for other persons, but with you, it may be a curb-stomp battle… And not in the way you seem to believe it…
Have a nice day.
My ex taught me how to fold socks in such a way that you don’t break the elastic band, then therefore you get more life out of them.
It looks suspiciously like just stuffing socks into the drawer without folding them at all. But it works great!
@Nanny Oggs Bosom:
And because Edison was a man with a chip on his shoulder the size of Niagara Falls.
@Dalillama:
I usually refer to that as ‘surrounded by an ablative shield of Yes-Men’.
Jenora: I like the “ablative” detail. Unfortunately there seems to be quite a lot of ablative material to regenerate his reality shield.
My dad taught his kids that you better be able to cook, sew on buttons, change your own tires etc because you can’t expect someone to be around to do it for you or always having the money to pay to have it done.
I teach my kids the same.
@wwth
I lost a very good friend to a Romanian pro dater, it was quite a weird set up from the get go. He had a mild disability and was very self isolating and lacked the self esteem and maturity for relationships with real people. They met on a Yahoo group which was a fan forum for a music artist, but then she followed him to Facebook, and it got worse there, because she encouraged him to befriend her ‘family’ who I believe were her co-conspirators. He used to pay her to Skype him everyday, and her ‘sister’ and children used to come un the Skype with her and call him ‘uncle’. He paid a lot of money for her to come to the UK to stay with him, but she was self entitled and unfriendly and they did not even sleep together. He gave her money and presents, and started learning Romanian in the belief that they would marry and go and live in her country. I tried to get him to see sense, but I got branded the devil incarnate for interfering, not just by him, but also his family, particularly his mother who was charmed with the idea of having such a beautiful glamorous daughter in law.
So very confusing. He doesn’t want women to “steal” men’s money, but he doesn’t want them (us) to earn money either.
Good God. These wannabe STEMlords have the worst grammar and spelling I’ve ever seen! I legitimately got a severe headache from attempting to read that pile of crap.
Excuse me if I’m wrong but weren’t women the first people to actually work with computers. And I read that the classic appearance of witches were actually due to the fact that women originally brewed beer and that was their market place uniform? And stick figures are hardly detailed enough to show genitals. So you don’t know who hunted mammoths until you get hard archeological evidence. And mate, that’s why feminism exists! Its so everyone gets the justice they deserve. Rape is rape, no matter who does it! You can’t rape just because some antiquated jokes joked about prison rape! Men are stronger on average is true but we need to show that anyone can be an abuser and get adequate support for the victims. This is why we need to kick down the harmful pedestal that women have been placed on. Women can be vicious and abusers too. We are not all nurturing can do no wrong saints. Men are not all aggressive and strong silent types who have no feelings. Its exhausting for everyone! We, women are hounded for mistakes and for seemingly aggressive behavior and men are expected to stay silent during emotional turmoil. This is wrong. This is why we need feminism so much. We need it so everyone has access to the help they need!
FYI Apologies to the differently gendered ie. Trans, genderfluid, intersex etc. Just giving examples via “traditional’ gender roles.
Okay rant over. My thumbs are tired now. 😀
(Also all the eastern European friends I have are in very equal relationships where their partner would cook and clean when they weren’t in the mood *Gasp*)
Hi first time poster long time reader here.
I have to say that when I first started reading this site I thought you were just picking low hanging fruit for finding these terrible people. Then Trump got elected and I started to actually looking into the websites you were commenting on. I soon realized that on places like The Red Pill or The Daily Stormer or even on other sites which were more general purpose that this type of reason-defying animosity of women and other races was the norm.
I also started reading the comments here and found them for the most part to be intelligent, humourous, and enlightened.
I never considered myself a feminist before but am starting to reconsider my position. I hesitated posting in the past because I didn’t want to invade your space and I still had some antiquated ideas about things.
For example I never really understood what toxic masculinity was until you showcased posts exactly like this one.
Thank you David and fellow commentors for making me a better person. I was starting to buy into that toxic shit when I had a dry spell with the ladies; while I am still in that dry spell instead of falling to the dark side I am reflecting on my own attitudes and behaviours and am trying to change for the better. You all here have greatly assisted in that process. And it is a painstaking process to rid yourself of outdated beliefs and go into better ones.
The reason I am posting this on this thread is because this Zachary is the type of person I was turning into and the exact sort of person I have decided I don’t want to be.
So keep up the good work. I just wanted you to know that you reached someone and helped change someone even if you can’t change everyone.
OK, just a quick note : I’m a very real East-European woman (well, we like to call ourself Central-Europe, but the rest of the world usually doesn’t care, so I will go with east), and I’m pretty much rotten to the core according to his standards, being an ugly feminist, having career, and all that shit. Also, if I look around, I see so many other women just like me.
Sorry about it, dude.
And just a point to consider: those Eastern European countries he is reffering to (including the Holy Grail of womanly women, Russia) tend to be poorer than the US, and they are also postcommunist countries. From the first comes the necessity, from the second the culture, that really the huge majority of women work all their life, regardless of having a partner and /or children.
So that fairy-tale land, full of submissive, slavic beauties only waiting for the Great American Dick? It just doesn’t exist. Never did. Hopefully never will.
Josh G and maroani,
Conversation seems to have moved on from this thread, but I just wanted to say “Howdy!” and “Welcome!”
It does boggle the mind that these beliefs, which were so clearly antifactual and disproven and antiquated 40 years ago, are still amongst us, doesn’t it? But these people still cling tenaciously to them.