By David Futrelle
I thought I would end this week by setting aside the Nazi Menace for a minute so we can plunge once again into the swirling male-strom of Men Going Their Own Way. Today’s MGTOW adventure comes in the form of a very long, though not very well proofread manifesto that some dude called Zachary left in the comments here about a week ago. I didn’t let it through moderation then because I wanted to share it with you all.
Zachary offers his highly scientific opinions on such pressing issues of the day as 1) why women should pretty much devote all their attention to “child baring,” 2) how women don’t appreciate that “US WHITE WESTERN MEN we BUILT EVERYTHING,” 3) how “[w]omen never hunted a fucking wooly mammoth ok,” and of course 4) SEX ROBOTS.
Let’s begin:
firstof all this is a self described Anti trump Anti White Male Blog, you admit that in the description. You should admit it in the comments.
Well, he’s right about the Trump thing, so I’ll give him a point for that.
2ndof all. the REASON women HAVE to be attractive, is because THATS JUST REALITY its ALL they have going for them ITS BIOLOGY and if you THINk for ONE SECOND that women are NOT supposed to be attractive, youre discounting millionsof years of evolutionary adaptaion…the dominance hierarchy has been around before we were even mamals, so stop acting lik women are intrested in anything but money and looks…..women ONLY care about how “good” a an is, ranking us all, constantly lookng for something better, and its not BAD its just NATURE women have to care for a baby and so want the best they can get for that child….its fucking biology stop DENYING uitr
men and women are NOT equal. Men have to work and invest things, and fight wars to defend you (Oh go ahead say “from other men” as if that means a damn thing) and women have to have babis. Sorry but women ave babies, so thats ALL you need to do, is have babis.
Wait, is it “babies” or “babis,” I need to know!
You have status for just existing. you DONT ADMIT that you HAVE IT EASY and then you WANT MORE money….while MEN and MGTOW just want our CHILDREN and our MONEY back…..why wont you women ever admit that women just steal mens money and kids, its a fact, you gusy trake all our shit,
Yeah,, you gusy, stop traking all his shit!
and its why us MGTOW have decided to NOT get married or live with women, or have children with western women, because its NOT all women who are ROTTEN TO TEH CORE its you nasty western american women, and any woman who is a “feminist”” and if youre NOT a traditionalist your a foolish feminist, following the rules set out by MEN to convince you to simply leave the home, leave your kids with the state and join th workforce to raise more taxes and become a slave to make other men more money!
Well, yeah, capitalism sucks in a lot of ways, but I’m pretty sure no women on earth would prefer marriage to you to even the shittiest job.
Russian and eastern european women are not feminist and they are perfectly normal women who charish their men, who dont have stupid pointless “careers” which are NOT careers you women have JOBS jobs you HATE and you LIE about t and are uNHAPPy and you are mEANT to be housewives and raise children and youre FOOLS for giving that lifestyle up for depression and your ovaries drying up!
For what it’s worth, women made up 48.7% of the workforce in Russia as of 2016, which is actually a little higher than the percentage in the United States (45.8%), according to the World Bank.
Youre SICk and your telling us we need to be reprogrammed?!?
Well, at the very least you need to reboot your typing module.
All of you American women are the same and youre monsters compared to Rusian or eastern european women or even some Asian women. You have to realize that natue is real, you were born female, youre NOT as intelligent as men, youre NOT as capable as Men in any way other than child baring and thats IT dont TELL us that women invented all of modern civilization, US MEN built it US WHITE WESTERN MEN we BUILT EVERYTHING and the computer your using the internet, ALl of it, e built it
That’s not actually true, but even if it were, I’m not sure why Zachary here should get vicarious credit for the work of other dudes.
and you seem to think a fw comments from some redit users represents all of MGTOW?
Dude, let’s just say that you’re not exactly dispelling any alleged myths about MGTOWs here.
let me tell u something about most Mgtow, forst of all u seem to be so atracted to us, writing blogs about us, youre LOVING our male agression and dominance, you LOVE being put in your place, you ALL want Mgtow men So badly because the ONE secret men teach other men about women, is that when you ignore women they go crazy and want you! Because they want to know WHY youre ignoring them and will start giving YOU attention.
Even though I’m a dude, I think I can speak for all women in saying: No, dude, the women of the world do not secretly want you, “badly” or any other way, and most would rather chew their own hands off than go on a date with you.
You women think you have any chance at winning some sort of intellectual battle witrh us men who program and buil and maintain al of society?
I’m fairly certain that you personally do none of these things.
Why dont you women go ouyt and try working the dangerous hazardous jobs us men do, nope, u just want the fun high paying jobs!
You’re honestly mad at women for preferring jobs that pay well and don’t suck to shit-paying jobs they hate? EVERYONE PREFERS THOSE JOBS. Not many of any gender can get them.
And women CHOOSE to ork lss THATS why you get paid less,
Lss ork means lss moenyy, ladies!
ITS A CHOICE you CHOOSE to go be with your familis whih is actually MORE important than money…..but you have to be SO COMPETITIVE and you HAVE to have JUST AS MUCH MONEY as a man even if youre not performing at the same level, like womens soccor, you think women should be paid just as much as mens soccor players? Well they dont make as much money selling tickets! they dont have as many peopel watchng so they CANt get as much money!
STAND UP AGAINST THE MISANDRY OF WOMEN’S SOCCER SORRY SOCCOR SALARIES
u wome dont undertand such SIMPLE concepts and its telling that youre in love with Mgtow!
You LOVE mgtow men bcauise we are INDEPENDENt AND we can get laid WHENEVER WE WANT
Yes, you certainly do sound like someone who gets laid whenever he wants.
And lets say there is a man who cant get laiud, lets say hes low status or hes fat or ugly, and he has no charm. Guess what? he can save up $200 and easily have sex with an extrenely attractive hookr, and that woman is proof that you have no argument!
I’m not sure that many women are making the argument that prostitution doesn’t exist.
And now, I regret to have to tell you, dear readers, he offers some thoughts on rape.
getting LAID is NOT some magial poer women have control over. men can get laid whenever they want. We can PHYSIOCALLy have sex with ANY woman we want if we REALLY wantd, that woul be rape but honestly you women seem like you dont care when us men get raped in prison and dont “count” that so I would like to know why men shouldnt rapoe women if you women think its ok for us MEN to get raped?
Why do so many of these dudes spend so much of their time trying to come up with excuses as to why rape is ok?
Never mind, I think that one answers itself.
Honstly id like to knopw, it doesnt seem very fair, i dont think rape is ok for eithr men or women, unlike you women who seem to think men in prison DESERVE to get rapoed…hmmm thats real “compasionaite” of you leftists
It’s true that lots of people (in the US at least) joke about prison rape, but I don’t think many of them are leftists or feminists. Leftists and feminists tend to think that prisons are shitty and that rape is horrible, wherever it happens and whoever the victims are.
Oh and you also are in lov with trump! all of you women who “hate” Trump, remembr, Love trumps harte and so you really should LOVE trump, hah, got you by your own bumper sticker!
Woah, SICK BURN ALERT.
You really have to not open youself up to such hardcore penetration of my ideas into the womb of your pyche,
Ewwww.
its realy not even fun. Its ljust work
Hate to tell you this, dude, but you are very bad at your work.
i have to write this comment, knowing yuoull be a coward and just delete it, because YOU NEED to see that youre in an ECHO CHAMBER and youre just writing this BLOG bcause youre LOOSING the information war!
Why would I delete such an amazing piece of self-owning nonsense as this?
You women are SO SCARED of Mgtrow growing into an even bigger movement
Wait it’s MGTROW now? I shudder to think what that R stands for.
WHich it is, its too late, and you omen will SIMPLY have to start being NICE to us men, and stop being total bitches
Why would any “omen” want to be nice to a boiling pustule of rage like you?
not IONCE have ytou aid ‘Thank You” for us white men inventing the Computer your using, the Intrnet your using, the fiber optic cabls its goint through the LCD scren ur watching the keybaord or tablet touschcren or smartphone your using, teh LETRICITy the AC current you using, a white man named nikola tesla inventd AC current in th Poer Line AND the radio waves youre getting you wifi frm! the car the planes you use, all invented by White Males, everything EVERYTHING you use in modern civilization, 99 percent of all useful inventions, all by white males! So why arent you worshiping us? Whre is this HATE coming from???
Dude, I’m pretty sure no women is obliged to worship you because Tesla invented some cool shit.
Why do you hate trump? WHy cant you even watch ONE speech? U simply watch MSNBC and read stupid leftist fake news articles and watch Colvbrt Lie about RUSSIA and trumps “collusion” which is a total lie, and you BELIVE it, and you PARROT this LIE that trump is a sexist….its pathetic
I’ve watched many Trump speeches, and let’s just say none of them made me like the man more.
and women hunting Mammoths is a joke! Maybe iut hapned ONCE but just because u saw it on some PBS special doesnt man its real, Feminits just made that story up, omen never hunted a fucking wooly mammoth ok? Women arent strong enough. Women are weak compared to men and women cannot fucking hunt wooly mamoths you just dont have the corindation and strength or stamina or spacial reasoning, stop acting like its SEXIST to STATE those FACTS they ARE NOT hate facts, its the TRUTH
I’m pretty sure that neither women nor men hunted mammoths on the regular back in the day, because, here’s the thing: mammoths can fucking kill you. And how are you going to eat all of that meat before it goes bad? I suspect our cave men and cave women ancestors were much more likely to hunt much smaller animals that could not kill them.
Oh and heres another thing about prostitution. I have never hadto usea hooker, but if you are a man who does, irts not hard, and you women jut hate th idea that men cant get laid whenever they want, without dealing with your shit….and you just HATE it…u HATE being obsolte
Prostitution has been around pretty much forever and it has yet to make women “obsolte.”
well i got another word for you honey, Sex Robots….
That’s two words.
they will eplace you bitchy nagging women so fast. Sorry but its true you guys are just bitchy and its annoying and men just wont oput up with youy untill you start waking us up with fellatiop out of COMPASSION , you have to trat us with respect and recognize our physical dominance ovr you, or you can watch us fuck a sex robot , its your choice,
And with that lovely image he ends his manifesto.
Though he ends it not with a period but with a comma, as if he might start typing again any moment. Hell, he might be off somewhere typing still.
This was all, by the way, intended as a rebuttal to the post Women don’t belong in nerd-friendly “male spaces,” because nerd girls are ugly, MGTOW explains and the comments it inspired.
I learned to fold stuff shortly after I left home when I was 13. I’ve never met anyone who agreed with me about how shit should be folded, though.
will.
That would explain a lot. Also; If you’re a jerkass to begin with, suffering from dementia would definitely exacerbate the jerkassery.
I wouldn’t be surprised, also, if many of them were really some hulking Russian Mafia dude named Nikolai who’s resembles a cross between Chris Benoit, a Musk Ox and a manure pile.
THIS! THIS! YES!
One of my favorite things, aside from all the women in computer science, is that many of the first computers actually WERE women.
@D and Dormousing_it
Check out this video about Trump’s changing speech patterns, behavior and possible Dementia….
@spukikitty
I suspect it’s partially due to his having spent so long surrounded by nothing but paid sycophants.
@Valya
Enjoy your time at home, you’ll be missed here.
@Mish
My sympathies to you and your brother. The U.S. penal system is an atrocity.
@NicolaLuna
Welcome back!
@Scildfreja
I’m still scratching my head at the whole ‘Nazis considering Russians white people’ part.
@latsot
Your list misses Hedy Lamarr, who pioneered frequency hopping techniques without which modern wireless communication would be impossible.
@Sandra
This.
And this.
@Otrame
Is this really the hill you wanna die on? Really?
I agree 100% completely that the U.S. prisons are atrocious, but I thought Mish was from Australia?
@errybody who has offered amazingly kind thoughts re my brother
I’m still seriously humbled. ‘Tis very different from the usual response.
Just a couple of quick clarifications and then I’ll stop as I don’t want to take up too much space or attention on this.
We’re in Australia, not the US, although I’m not sure how much better our prison system is. Probably a matter of degree only as we’ve been gradually copying features of the American model. When people argue that murderers should get the death penalty, they may not be aware of what serving a life sentence can do to a person. Why execute someone when you can turn them into a desperate, suicidal ball of illness, psychosis, and addiction?
OTOH, grieving for my brother is always tempered by guilt: he was taken from us, but that was because he killed a man; i.e. he took someone from their family, permanently.
Anyway, thanks all <3 <3 <3 <3
late to the comment party as usual, but as always top-notch Mammotheers make great comments….
Loved this from Buttercup Q. Skullpants re: Russian women engineers
“They would eat this guy for lunch (and then spit him out afterwards, because yuck). They’re sharp, tough, no-nonsense, and funny as hell. And hard orking, too.”
= Ms. Pavlov’s House
(she’s a Russian woman nurse, not an engineer but that description *is* her.)
Also, we team-fold fitted sheets, which is a sign of love.
re: Russian women in combat….
588th Night Bomber Regiment was mentioned….deservedly so. Night Witches are cool just for flying PO-2’s!!!! But let’s give a shout out to the Russian
women *fighter* pilots of the PVO and VVS too, like Lydia Litvyak and Katya Budanova.
First women fighter aces I think, right?
Everything! *scream-cries*
Why am I not your god-king?!
…Dude has some, shall we say, mammoth-sized inferiority/superiority, insecurity, and likely self-loathing issues. Yikes.
Christ, Frank Miller is telling this guy to cool it with the unnecessary all-caps.
Someone should make a video of themself reading this out loud. It’d be hilarious.
@Mish
Sounds more like Australia’s been gradually copying bugs from the American model.
@Mish
More love for your brother here.
The Sassy Trump guy would do a good job.
@Mish
I’m sorry too. I don’t know why people so gleefully joke about something so horrible.
That’s a good way of putting it. It’s what happens when a child is never, ever told “no”. You end up with an adult version of Anthony Fremont.
It’s rare that people don’t want something in return for unearned flattery and adoration. You’d think people who cynically view all relationships as transactional would understand that. MGTOWs go around proclaiming how women only have value for their beauty, while men are valuable for their ability to provide and protect. Then they complain bitterly about having to provide and protect. They’re complaining about a paradigm they constructed themselves.
So then feminists are like “okay, then let’s change our gender expectations to be more flexible”, and they react like vampires being offered a bowl of aioli.
Sometimes the unicorn comes along, but even then it doesn’t always go the way they fantasize, On Reddit not too long ago, there was a post on RedPill from a guy who had found his perect submissive waifu girlfriend. She agreed with everything he did, never argued or contradicted him, always did what he wanted…and he was bored out of his mind with her. He wanted out. He was exhausted having to make all the decisions for her, from what she should wear every morning to what she should eat, think, and do. It sounded to me like she wanted to be a sub, but he wasn’t mature enough to handle it.
Remember Roosh’s “a man’s nut is sacred” post, where he argued that women should have all of their decisions controlled by men? I don’t think these guys understand exactly how much work that would entail.
Back to the OP:
Heh. He sounds exactly like Bird’s Rights Activist here. “US BIRB are own ALL MUFFIN EVERYWHERE that corm fritter belong ME now put it down now go walk away now go”
I also love how guys who can’t even put together a sentence are forever demanding unconditional sexual adulation for all the skyscrapers ever. Sorry, my dude. No god-emperor fellatiop for you until you learn to verb.
(I’ve been puzzling over possible meanings for fellatiop for awhile. It sounds like a covert activity carried out by special branches of the military.)
Otame,
The difference between being racist toward a historically oppressed class of people who have been negatively stereotyped to justify their oppression and general distrust of a historically oppressive class of people whose violence and misogyny is supported not only by current statistics and the public policies that class controls but by many, many lived experiences shouldn’t need to be explained to you.
You are being dismissive. You are building a straw man. No one said there are no good men.
I also detect a hint of gaslighting.
Racists do not have to plan their lives around not being raped and murdered by black people. White people are not in danger of being oppressed or victimized and then blamed for being oppressed or victimized by black people. The system is white. It is male. It is cis. It is straight. It is Christian. That’s why police protect violent Nazis and tear gas black people at a memorial.
No, women, especially trans women not being comfortable around white cis men is not like being racist. To suggest it is is extremely insulting to several minorities at once.
I only trust strange men if I think I could beat them in a fight. I trusted my male friends from before I transitioned but then one of them raped me when I was too drunk to stop him so perhaps I shouldn’t have.
I will second you IgnoreSandra I grew up privy to male “locker room” conversation and I am aware that rape culture starts early, it was one of the first things that singled me out from the other boys; that I would not abandon my respect for women in the locker room.
Sometimes one just has to trust a stranger, but I try not too.
The Night witch even have a RPG just about them
http://bullypulpitgames.com/games/night-witches/
I get the impression that they have a sadistic streak and that a woman happily and willfully submitting isn’t as “fun” as FORCING a woman to UNWILLINGLY submit. They want to see her sob and grovel. They love to see her forced to marry them rather than that nice, hot, caring guy (or gal) the women would rather marry….
NOW FOR ULTIMATE MISOGYNIST FANTASY THEATER:
JERK: “HA HA HA! I WILL NEVER LET YOU MARRY THAT CUTE, INTELLIGENT DAVID TENNANT CLONE YOU LOVE AND WHO LOVES YOU BACK! YOU WILL BE FORCED TO MARRY ME AND ENDURE MY GREASY NASTINESS, BILLOWING BEARD, BODY ODOR, HOT-DOG BURPS, FORCED SEX & PREGNANCY, BEATINGS AND YOUR SLAVERY FOREVER! *B’WAAAAHAHAAA!!!”
WOMAN: “NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!”
CUTE D.T. CLONE: *lies there dead*
….In other words; The Male Supremacists are horrible people.
I never realized that folding clothes was such a gendered thing. Me and my sister had to do chores more or less equally, so I learned to fold clothes and sheets early.
@Mish
I’m sorry what happened to your brother. The prison system is just an awful mess.
MISOGYNIST’S REALITY THEATER
JERK: “HA HA HA! I WILL NEVER LET YOU MARRY THAT CUTE, INTELLIGENT DAVID TENNANT CLONE YOU LOVE AND WHO LOVES YOU BACK! YOU WILL BE FORCED TO MARRY ME AND ENDURE MY GREASY NASTINESS, BILLOWING BEARD, BODY ODOR, HOT-DOG BURPS, FORCED SEX & PREGNANCY, BEATINGS AND YOUR SLAVERY FOREVER! *B’WAAAAHAHAAA!!!”
WOMAN & D.T.: *drop-kicks Jerk into the Sun*
JERK: *SIZZLE* *Dead!*
*The Masses dance in the street….while the Lady & D.T. Clone look adorable together and marry!*
….and they lived ADORABLY EVER AFTER!
That sounds really close to Hooked, which is like a restaurant app where you can get discounts and coupons and stuff. We work with it at my place of current employment! (You can get two huuuuuuge slices of cheese pizza for five dollars, or you can get a coupon for a dollar off a single slice.)
We also work with a similar app called Stealz, and we also work with OrderUp for delivery.
I don’t know about other places, but I do know Stateside we sell these little elastic strips with clips on either end that you can put on your fitted sheet to keep them from pulling off whenever they want.
@Tov01
My plan if I ever have kids is to teach them to do all of the chores regardless of gender, which is what my parents did. I learned how to mow the lawn, do laundry, split firewood, cook, clean the bathroom, etc. Of course, we only learned the things our parents knew how to do, but I think the egalitarian upbringing encouraged me to learn how to do any chore I felt like I wanted to be able to do, like learning how to fix my toilet when it started running. Neither of my parents knew how to do this so I wasn’t taught it but I knew toilets were fairly simple machines and I had never grown up thinking certain household tasks were only for certain genders, so I taught myself how to fix it. And the only reason I haven’t taught myself other plumbing tasks is because I see them as skilled tasks, not because I see them as male tasks, if that makes sense.