By David Futrelle
What a miserable weekend. All we can do is keep resisting. There are more of us than there are of them, and we have basic human decency on our side. A lot of people came out today across the country to show solidarity with the victims in Charlottesville, and there are more rallies planned.
On to the tweets:
I need white people to stop feigning surprise with their "this is not america" nonsense.
Yes it is, boo. Where you been living?
— Imani Gandy (Orca’s Version) ⚓️ (@AngryBlackLady) August 12, 2017
#goodnightaltright #GoodNightWhitePride Mood: pic.twitter.com/767g52wsuM
— gab ✌🏼 (@madd_gab) August 13, 2017
This is what 682 events in solidarity with #Charlottesville look like on a map. THIS is America. Find yours: https://t.co/nKSXu3EI2w pic.twitter.com/Mkg15Q8FKU
— Indivisible Guide 🥥🌴 (@IndivisibleTeam) August 13, 2017
NYC Charlottesville solidarity rally has shut down 6th Avenue for blocks, headed to Trump Tower. pic.twitter.com/QFsXCkx0fC
— Keegan Stephan (@KeeganNYC) August 13, 2017
https://twitter.com/Seth_Lemon/status/896870552048160768
Demonstrators gather at the White House to show solidarity for Charlottesville victims https://t.co/y5fSTpIIlc
— The Washington Post (@washingtonpost) August 13, 2017
Hundreds of people standing in #Lancaster, #Pennsylvania's Penn Square signing against racism & fascism & in solidarity w/#Charlottesville pic.twitter.com/LVNVGPc2mO
— Michael Deibert (@michaelcdeibert) August 14, 2017
TODAY: @BhamDSA's Solidarity Rally for Charlottesville Antifascists, 6:30-7:30 p.m., Five Points South, Birmingham. https://t.co/rts6a7Qqou pic.twitter.com/TwOubpUdNG
— BHM Indivisible (@BHMIndivisible) August 13, 2017
Hundreds here in front of Trump Tower in Chicago to show solidarity with the victims of Charlottesville #defendcville pic.twitter.com/aFFLzf2peW
— Aaron Cynic (@aaroncynic) August 13, 2017
Throngs stretching back from where we came.
Solidarity Against Hate March to Westlake.#Seattle #Charlottesville pic.twitter.com/G5QOra8jtX— Andrew Murphy (@amurphous) August 13, 2017
#BlackLivesMatter chant. Beautiful. DC stands with #Charlottesville pic.twitter.com/Gz8OrRjKma
— #StopCopCity (@ChuckModi1) August 14, 2017
.@GoDaddy you host The Daily Stormer – they posted this on their site. Please retweet if you think this hate should be taken down & banned. pic.twitter.com/fqTtGoTbmn
— Amy Siskind 🏳️🌈 (@Amy_Siskind) August 14, 2017
HAPPY UPDATE:
https://twitter.com/GoDaddy/status/896935462622957573
Also from The Daily Stormer:
https://twitter.com/DanaSchwartzzz/status/896545206245445632
But that is in part of the motivation with these guys; more precisely, they’re angry that women can and do say no to them. See this thread:
When I say that this is a movement of men who are desperately mad that no one will fuck them, I am actually not just making fun of them.
— Robyn Pennacchia (@RobynElyse) August 13, 2017
The guy that organized that White supremacist rally in #Charlottesville gets ran off during a press conference pic.twitter.com/Z6Ub0WpwPJ
— philip lewis (@Phil_Lewis_) August 13, 2017
Tiki puts out statement renouncing use of its torches by white nationalists in Charlottesville: pic.twitter.com/a2mVXAuPCR
— Amrita Khalid (@askhalid) August 12, 2017
You know you’ve really fucked up as a human being when you’re denounced by the tiki torch company.
you know when we didn't have nazi rallies in the streets? sometime before popular shitlords started justifying/excusing white supremacists pic.twitter.com/OwBsx1T2Rb
— T1J (@the1janitor) August 13, 2017
Nothin, if they aren't Nazis. Feminists have been called Nazis for decades and haven't unfurled a swastika flag yet. https://t.co/7JtxIqLsuw
— Alexandra Erin | patreon.com/AlexandraErin (@AlexandraErin) August 13, 2017
The argument that there are Nazis b/c we call people Nazis is so absurd it's hard to believe even the people making it think it's true.
— David Futrelle (@DavidFutrelle) August 13, 2017
Everyone train your dogs to do this pic.twitter.com/pkLdVMZlwr
— naomi (@lachancenaomi27) August 14, 2017
Walk away, you complicit coward.pic.twitter.com/LQthWXkFRn
— Greg Hogben (@MyDaughtersArmy) August 12, 2017
He walked away because he and his people knew that if he started talking off the cuff he'd attack the counterprotesters or excuse the nazis. https://t.co/2V8g8v56zi
— David Futrelle (@DavidFutrelle) August 13, 2017
Not many presidents could make threatening nuclear war the second worst thing he did in a week.
— Gady Epstein (@gadyepstein) August 12, 2017
When I asked senior WH official why Trump didn't condemn Cville Nazis, he said: "What about the leftist mob. Just as violent if not more so"
— Gabriel Sherman (@gabrielsherman) August 13, 2017
Trump headed to NYC for the first time since inauguration. Here is the NYDN cover that will greet him pic.twitter.com/aMOzv3t6VW
— Judd Legum (@JuddLegum) August 14, 2017
https://twitter.com/OmanReagan/status/896563796071731201
https://twitter.com/pixelatedboat/status/896917225784786945
Posted on FB by Michael Nabert:
@IgnoreSandra
I’m so sorry to hear about your kitty. Pain and guilt are your constant companions during times like these, especially if the circumstances of the leavetaking aren’t ‘ideal’. You have a LOT of self blame if it’s not.
I still feel terrible about how we lost our skinnykitty a couple of years ago, because we weren’t there when the vet helped her cross. The thing is, the spouse dropped her off that morning when he noticed her being off, and then we were called and told it was acute renal failure and gallstones combined with being fifteen, and we weren’t willing to put her through all that pain for our benefit. Maybe we could have been there, but it would have only prolonged her suffering and driving while crying during SoCal rush hour is dangerous. The vet (a lovely lady) said we made the right decision and gave her a kiss from us before the final injection. But we still miss her terribly, and I still feel like I failed her, somehow.
I’m still dreading, as our remaining Coconut is seventeen and showing early chronic renal failure. Other than that she’s in fine fettle, but I’m constantly reminded she’s not immortal and that terrible day will happen again, sooner or later. We’re going to be gutted.
Yes, there’s horribleness going on in the world, but he was *your* kitty and you loved him and love and guilt aren’t rational. Be good to yourself. *hug*
I’m so sorry for your loss, Sandra.
I’m giving a few extra scritches to my scaredicat in honour of yours, Sandra.
@IgnoreSandra
My condolences for your loss. I know the loss of a friend as well. Puffball still lives on in your experience of them. I can still hear Casper when I come home from work. Puffball was there and they mattered to you.
FishyGoat,
That’s interesting. Especially since for the time being, this tactic has backfired on the Republicans and made Trump and the right look even worse.
@SpukiKitty
I remember you! Mostly because I really like your nym. 🙂 Kitty pics are a good way to get replies. :3
Fucking weev and the Stormer want Heather Heyer’s funeral to “get feet on the ground there.”
Of course Trump isn’t un-American; he’s America’s id. But I see where Krugman is coming from. If we ever managed to redefine everyone’s idea of Americanness so that it means what Krugman wants it to mean, that would be the end of the Republican Party.
A commenter on Krugman’s column says this:
“The main thing I wanted to say is that to win, you need a narrative. That Trump is un-American is as good as I’ve ever heard. Trump had a narrative. A despicable narrative, but a narrative just the same. That’s why he won. A similar thing happened in my country, Poland, two years ago which led us to being governed by a radical right-wing (and stupid) regime. Sound familiar? They expressed something people could identify with, however awful that something is. They also won because because the centrist parties had nothing to say except that they provided ‘warm water in the faucet’. The left had no narrative whatsoever… This is serious folks. And it goes way beyond whatever notions of ideological purity or historical correctness you might have. You need a narrative to win and ‘DJT is Un-American’ is the best I’ve heard so far.”
But of course! After all….
….Kitties are DIVINE!
Indeed! It’s important to have a good counter-narrative and counter-voice. Jerks take over when non-jerks sit on their thumbs. The best way to overcome is to refute the opponent and then present something else appealing.
While bigotry has always been a part of America’s DNA, it still goes against the professed ideals in which the Nation was founded. The United States has been hypocritical for too long. Time to be truly the Land of E Pluribus Unum!
FOR YOU, DEAR SANDRA….
@D
Except that centrist parties aren’t the fucking left, are they. If they were on the left, they wouldn’t be in the damn center. And centrist parties are shit, because they’re fascist appeasers. The left has got a perfectly good narrative, and Americanism’s got nothing to do with it, nor a lack thereof. It’s the one that goes ‘Workers of the World Unite! You have nothing to lose but your chains!’
I was thinking about the fact that Trump was forced, quite uncharacteristically, to do what amounted to public penance earlier today. We on the left are so accustomed to recognizing that the alt-right are at BEST Nazis lite, Republicans don’t see that — when we correctly call these people Nazis, we don’t always realize that they tend to see this as lies from us “loony Lefties” trying to smear people who are just trying to stand up for white people.
As we know, Trump’s base tends to contain a lot of older people. I’m from the generation whose fathers fought World War II and mothers kept things running on the home front. Our towns lost a lot of young men and we were constantly reminded of the price that had to be paid for stopping Hitler. Our sports teams played on fields named for men who died, mostly in Europe. (And of course there are many older people still alive who even remember the war from their childhood, though most of the soldiers are gone.) So the demonstrators who carried Nazi flags or wore Hitler T-shirts did us a tremendous favor — those are the flag and face of the Great Enemy, and they made it impossible for anyone to deny who they really are. That’s why Fox is spinning like a top and Trump had to read something he hated from his teleprompter — because Nazis are fortunately still toxic, far more so unfortunately than the Confederate Flag.
Those idiots who thought that their little Tiki march was a big step in winning the political debates actually made a yuuge mistakes, and I think we are now going to see a very entertaining attempt on the alt-right to squirm and distance themselves from the Nazis (and also KKKers, though that is less certain). Stock up on popcorn.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/nazis-flags-in-charlottesville-were-an-affront-to-wwii-veterans-and-they-fought-back/2017/08/14/52a429e8-811e-11e7-b359-15a3617c767b_story.html?utm_term=.8bcbb8de485e
@Dalillama
Maybe, but talk like that doesn’t tend to win elections round these parts. Some people are just too afraid of the spectre of “the red menace”.
@Strawberry Wizard
Funny thing about red-baiting: you wanna know what it correlates 100% with? I bet you can guess…
@weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee
Either the bill passed before they realized the damage, or they completely missed that, or they just don’t care.
I’m sorry for your loss, IgnoreSandra.
Unless Trump runs against another candidate as “bad” as Hillary was (she really wasn’t), my parents who have been mostly Independent (and Republican most recently) will be voting against him and most of the rest of the Repubs in next elections. Texas being pretty strongly red in most areas, this may make no difference, but they’re in their early 70s, white, and college educated.
Still can’t convince them that removing Confederate statues is a good idea, because “history”. We’re a young enough country that statue removal isn’t as common as it is in Europe.
Of course we removed many of the early inhabitants “statue-equivalents” when we came over from Europe, but people want to forget that, or say it’s not the same, because “blah savage blah colonies blah”.
This whole “you can drive through protestors” laws thing… I’m hoping it wouldn’t have excused that ass from driving that quickly into a crowd. Knowing how Republicans write legislature though, it probably excused everything including death, “by accident”, unless the driver was a liberal.
JS: You forgot “or black”. Just like “open carry” and “stand your ground” laws don’t apply to blacks.
@Strawberry Wizard: Bernie Sanders did very well in the primaries with “talk like that”. Enough to maybe have won if the DNC hadn’t stacked the deck against him.
At the same time, corporate Democrats’ avoidance of “talk like that” doesn’t seem to be winning them many elections these days. The less they talk jobs, health care, housing affordability, and public investment, and the more they talk balanced budgets, “free markets”, bipartisanship, and foreign wars of choice, the fewer Democrats (and more importantly, Dem-leaning independents) bother to show up to the polls. Sure, they’re being privileged gits. These voters are mostly white and straight, so they have less to lose than some if a Repub wins. They ought (if in a swing state anyway) to vote Dem to prevent shit like what’s been happening, even if that shit mostly happens to other people. But the fact is, this particular voter segment doesn’t. What would energize them? Someone with a platform that would better their own circumstances.
Unlike the Trump voters, nearly all people who put their racism above their economics interests, the stay-at-homes are people that can be reached. And it’s now been demonstrated that it’s “talk like that” that will reach them, from the way they turned out at the primaries.
Democrats need to run on a platform that combines social justice of the sort the right derides as “identity politics” with economic justice if they want to really sock it to the Republicans in 2018. Those Democratic candidates who ignore economic justice are just as guilty IMO as stay-home left-leaning white voters for letting Republicans walk away with elections. Whether they would really, as some have alleged, rather lose with a corporate-friendly candidate than win with a progressive one is not the issue; that they are losing with corporate-friendly candidates, while the data show they’d stand better chances with progressive candidates, is.
And that’s before observing that some of the corporate-friendly ones are also racism-friendly, dogwhistling and pushing “law and order” and “tough on crime” policies as much as “moderate” Republicans do. I’ve yet to hear any of the progressive wing Dem candidates do those things, though if you have a citation for an instance where one did so, I’ll stand corrected.
Unfortunately, the toxicity of some of Bernie’s supporters is still causing rifts in the party. Someone should probably float the notion of a Kamala/Bernie (or Bernie/Kamala) ticket for 2020 to defuse that until the 2018 elections are done.
@Sandra
*rains down internet hugs*
My dog Gaea’s getting old. Feel like she stayed young a long time and then just exponentially aged. She’s got some years left, but it’s different looking at her now. Re: being there, I really don’t wanna be. I don’t wanna actually see her go. Even typing the word ‘die’ is hard. And the clarity of that inevitability is not fun. Nor is the guilt…
Fuck it, there hasn’t been a personal thread in a while and we’re sorta on the subject. My granny died last month. My commenting here was spurred on by my granddad passing, so this is a pretty morbid marker of time. Last 2 months or so have been pretty rough overall. I’m OK, just tryna make it thru this damn summer -_-
@ Sandra
That’s my recurring nightmare for my kitty. She’s relatively healthy according to the vet (barring a thyroid problem that we’re medicating, and near-total deafness), but she’s still pushing 18 years. Far longer than either of the others (her predecessor died at 8 of pneumonia, and her brother was hit by a car ten years ago), and some time back I realized she’s been my cat for over half my life. I’m terrified I’m going to come home one day and find her on the bed not breathing.
Gonna distract myself with Nightcore. Free offer to anyone else who finds speed remixes calming, as well.
EDIT: Oh, geez, especially to you Axe. Starting to think my Youtube lists aren’t up to the task, but please accept condolences (and hugs, if needed). ;_;
@JS
She sort of was — but not in the way some claim. Most corporate-friendly Democrats would have defeated Trump, because Trump was just that awful. I bet if Michelle Obama had been nominee she’d have won.
The problem with Hillary Clinton is she has some kind of weird anti-charisma that turns off a lot of potential voters. The lackluster turnouts at her rallies are one symptom of this. But there’s another very interesting one that turned up in an obscure source of interesting data about the mood of the body politic:
http://peterturchin.com/cliodynamica/cultural-evolution-knew-statistics-didnt-hillary-lose/
Over at
https://www.babycenter.com/baby-names-michelle-3196.htm
it doesn’t look like there was any sharp drop in the popularity of “Michelle” around 2008, so it’s not all First Ladies, or all women thrust into the spotlight even; it was something about Hillary Clinton, and more a personality than a political platform thing, it would seem. “Laura” was not hurt in popularity in 2000 either, despite one Laura Bush having been married to the then-most-awful-yet President, so it probably wasn’t association with Bill Clinton that hurt Hillary either.
Make of these data what you will …
I know, if it just hadn’t been for the three million “illegals” voting for her – no, wait, that was Trump’s excuse. What was Bernie’s excuse again?
Gads. Are we really going to have another “Trump is horrible, but Hillary is bad too” thread? Is it a law or something? No matter how much time has passed since the election, no matter how many times we point out that she won the popular vote, 48 hours can’t pass without someone acting like it’s reasonable to act equate “wouldn’t want to have a beer with” and “literal white nationalist.”