By David Futrelle
On the lady-hating internet crap site Return of Kings, a fellow called Jimbo Jones is pig-biting mad about the widespread assumption “that men are so beholden to the vagina that their every action can be manipulated through their (heterosexual) desires … .”
It’s an idea as old, he notes, as Aristophanes’ sex-strike play Lysistrata, and as current as rapper Brooke Candy’s 2013 song “Pussy Makes the Rules.”
As Jimbo sees it, this cultural trope is as evil and pernicious as feminism itself. “There’s nothing innocuous about extolling the virtues of an ideologically weaponized vagina,” he harrumphs,
nor is there anything innocent about encouraging listeners to turn their sex organs into methods of controlling, manipulating and domineering over other people.
But now, he argues with barely concealed glee, some men are starting to make a sort of end-run around the vagina, “abandon[ing] women altogether [to] pursue the embrace of males pretending to be female.” And so, he says, you find an increasing number of “straight” men — the scare quotes are his — who are chasing after
drag queens, crossdressers, fembois, male-to-female transsexuals, t-girls, shemales and—perhaps most notably—traps (that being, men who dress as women who don’t tell their partners their real gender, oftentimes with the hopes of “converting” their boyfriends into full-time homosexuality) … .
While Jimbo is quick to assure his readers that he’s not one of these men, he also makes clear that he can sorta see where they’re coming from. Their allegedly newfound interest in what he calls “males pretending to be female” is a “wholly predictable response” to the fact that today’s “biological … females” are a bunch of mean fatties who think they’re all that.
“[W]omen today are nowhere near as attractive as they were 20 years ago,” Jimbo declares.
The Great Big Lie of third wave feminism … has convinced women that it’s okay to be morbidly obese, dyke-ish, adverse to even basic forms of hygiene and walk around with full blown mustaches, and that men will just have to change their own preconceived notions of beauty and roll with it. After all, women do have the vaginas, don’t they, and men will do anything to spill their precious seed inside them, even if it means bumping uglies with a 400-pound, smelly, tatted up Skankasaurus, right?
If anything, the rise of the femboi/trap subculture is a direct reactionary statement to the defeminization of the American woman.
Heck, even the totally-straight-not-fooling-around-with-this-stuff Jimbo thinks that some trans porn stars are actually prettier than women he considers especially ugly.
There’s no denying it: a transsexual porn star like Sarina Valentina is unquestionably more attractive than a “real feminist” like Andrea Dworkin, while cam-tr*nny jerk-off queen Paige James is inarguably prettier than such loud and proud biological celebrity females as Lena Dunham and Leslie Jones.
Also, he adds, they’re “thinner and cleaner” than your typical feminist.
While Jimbo can’t quite decide just how gay he thinks men who have sex with “tr*nnies” really are — he thinks they’re at least a little gay — he’s pretty sure they’re basically driven to this “degeneracy” by the toxic awfulness of “real” women.
What else would drive a man who is sexually attracted to the female form into the arms, crotch and buttocks of another man with synthetic tits, a wig, and $200 worth of makeup on his face? …
Just how hideous do women have to get—physically and behaviorally—for men to say no thanks to pussy in favor of a good old fashioned rectal hammering? How can you even begin to comprehend how such fringe fetishist subcultures even came to exist without first acknowledging that women did something very, very wrong in the first place?
Since “women did something very, very wrong” is pretty much the standard Return of Kings explanation for everything they think is wrong with the world, it’s hardly surprising to see Jimbo trot it out as the explanation for why many men find trans women attractive — and some outright fetishize them.
Jimbo is torn between thinking this is wrong and gay — and thinking it’s great that “tr*nny chasers” are (at least in his fantasies) undercutting cis women in the sexual marketplace. “[A]s deplorable and decadent as it may be, ” he writes,
the shemale question proves that pussy is no longer the great cultural trump card women have over the male species. Then again, feminists only have themselves to blame for their own obsolescence: if sex is literally all you have to offer, wasn’t it just a matter of time until men found a way to get it cheaper, easier and without all of the tribal-politics nonsense?
But any of Jimbo’s readers who see sex with trans women as an ingenious solution to their inability to convince cis women to have sex with them, I hate to have to break it to you: If you’re the kind of guy who sees Roosh V’s Return of Kings as a fount of knowledge, trans women are going to find you just as repulsive as the cis women you so despise do.
@Alan –
BUT how does his mom feel about the situation?!
Jimbo seems to think that trans women’s whole lives are centered around his peen. See: Cis women are represented by the women he sees around himself; trans women are represented by porn performers on camera. Surprise, Jimbo: Sex workers at work don’t even necessarily represent those individual sex workers when they’re off the clock. Do you think servers carry around food trays in their spare time, just for the love of it? She’s all about your dick when you watch her because that’s literally her job. It’s not a universal trans woman personality trait.
See also: He lists off a bunch of different slurs for trans women (as well as some words that don’t generally apply to trans women, but that I’m sure are shouted at trans women all the damn time) as if they all represent completely different kinds of people, and the only classification system he’s using afaict is how they make his weiner feel. This is particularly obvious with his definition of “tr*ps”:
Entirely centered around cis straight male schlongers.
Anyway, assface, you’re mad because you think there was some time in the mystical past when cis women’s whole identities were all about pleasing you, but now we do this no longer, and you think trans women can fill the vacated niche. It turns out no woman has ever based her whole life around dudes, then or now, and you can go fuck yourself. Cheers!
@Quijote
You’ll not be surprised to learn I know nary a lick of Spanish. Thanks for the correction. I’ll make sure to include that space in future 😀
Cultural changes will always frighten and enrage the narrow-minded
Hey, who put a woman’s rear on the cover of their book? Wasn’t us, that’s for sure!
http://www.warrenfarrell.org/Images/mmp_cover_2.jpg
Beware the derriere!
Uh-huh… setting aside the hideous transmisogyny that other Mammotheers have rightly pointed out… how do you know who those people are? Dare we ask what you have saved on your hard drive, Mr. Jones?
Methinks he dost protest too much.
@Alan, wow. Gotta love the whiplash going from “You’re a dirty slut and I’m going to ruin your whole career! I hate you!!” and “Omg why didn’t you come to my boxing match I thought we were buds?”
Unrelated: Have you seen the amicus brief from the ACLU in the suit that coal baron Bob Murray filed against John Oliver when he said meany mean things about him on television? You’ve probably seen it already, in fact it was probably linked in some thread here that I missed, but in case you haven’t:
https://www.scribd.com/mobile/document/355284770/Nutterbutter?skip_app_promo=true
I hope that works even though it’s a mobile link…
I would donate money to any program working on realistic sex robots. Make them cheap and make sure there’s no stigma to using them, and hope these losers will leave all real women (cis, trans, etc.) alone.
@Alan Robertshaw
Sweet Merciless Leviathan! The poor girl! She had the misfortune of being stuck with an entitled manbaby for a boss and now I’m worried for her future. His threats might seem amusing from outside, but people like him with even the barest connections and a whole lot of vindictiveness can do a lot of damage to a subordinate’s future.
I can only hope she manages to unmask him as the creep he is and come out the hero. Bad Boss meanwhile can go step on a Lego.
What’s not “okay” with any of that? (I mean, a certain amount of hygiene is important for health, but I bet that by “hygiene” he means shaving legs/armpits and wearing makeup.) Do women have a moral imperative to look attractive to you? That’s a bit of a self-centred worldview, wouldn’t you say?
@ viscaria
I hadn’t; but that’s wonderful, thank you! 😀
I like it when people have a bit of fun with pleadings. That does occur quite a bit in media law. Maybe we’re all frustrated writers and it’s a way of vicariously living the dream.
Over here there’s a lot of coded “in-jokes”. So the papers appear polite and formal to outside observers but the lawyers are discretely slagging each other off. The most famous notorious is probably “We refer you to the response in Arkell -v- Pressdram…”. The response in that case famously being “Fuck off”.
@C.S.
I would too but more that I think about it.. the more that doesn’t seem to be the case. Pretty sure they’ll be constantly in many trans & cis women’s faces trying to convince that we’re all obsolete and that we should learn how to get them back from their robolovers that are so clearly, far superior (so why even bother). It’d be annoying for sure.
These are the only robots that matter.
@ Violet The Vile, Possessor Of An Ideologically Weaponized Vagina: As one Violet to another, congrats on your new suffix!
Yeah, but what happens when they go out of production?
I think we all know the answer to that….
http://img.moviepostershop.com/cherry-2000-movie-poster-1987-1020492349.jpg
All the evidence we have on what would happen with sexbots is that they’ll be used as murderer- and rapist-trainers. Apparently the places that make full-body realistic sex dolls not-infrequently get returns and repairs for dolls that have been stabbed, beaten, shot, torn and mauled. So, yeah, sex robots aren’t so much a solution as they are an exacerbation.
Cherry 2000 … Do I need to track down a copy of that movie? It looks like B-movie goodness.
@Mike!
Thanks for that. I think the very first few eps of OitNB made it to broadcast TV, much like Amazon’s Extant had part of the series on a “major network” before going to Amazon only.
So, it seems likely that Laverne is the first openly trans actress on US broadcast TV. Took too long. American Puritanism (and “Standards & Practices” depts.) at its worst.
We won’t show transgender, but we will help get Trump elected by repeatedly showing how shocking his speeches are.
ETA: Best review title for Cherry 2000 on IMDB:
“Man Meets Robot, Ditches Robot for Hot Babe with Gun”
Ughhhh.
No woman has ever lived her life around a man’s dick, and none ever will. Because, frankly, it isn’t that great. Neither are men.
This shit is why I’m in the closet at work. I do not want or need to deal with men being assholes on top of everything else I worry about.
I’m just going to comment that the transmiosgyny remains hideous, and any trans girl would avoid this person like the plague. He seems like exactly the sort of person who uses the “trans panic” “defense”.
Precious seed?
Is it though? Is it really?
Exactly. This is why they are an issue (and I would guess this is at least part of why the law has taken an interest in the importation of child sex dolls).
Using a life-like doll is very different from using something like a fleshlight (which is the real equivalent of a dildo I guess). It’s absolutely going to further accustom anyone who chooses to use it for practising abuse on.
His seed is liquid fucking gold.
Alan Robertshaw, thanks for the mention of Nightmare Boss and his ongoing campaign to find one person on Reddit who agrees with him.
Somehow, the ongoing chorus of absolute disagreement (on Reddit!) reassures me.
Regarding the OP, his exposure to and knowledge of actual trans people may actually be less than his exposure to and knowledge of cis women. It reminded me of what some anti-trans lesbian feminists and anti-trans misogynistic heterosexual men have in common – a persistent conviction that trans women are out to jump their tender cis bones.
It’s almost like they view trans women as exclusively sexual.
Like, there’s some aspect of femininity they view as strictly sexual, so when trans women just exist, they assume the expression of femininity is to signify some kind of hypersexuality within men’s norms.
It’s both misogyny and a denial of trans women’s existence. It’s transmisogyny.
@Alan:
Posted by same Creeper Boss guy.
http://i.imgur.com/hNrgwdg.png
@ Scildfreja
The stories I’ve read about from people who used to work at those sexdolls repair & return shops.. I shudder. Those dolls would frequently be returned because after the buyer stopped stabbing the dolls` genitals, breasts and face with kitchen knives, they realized it was useless to them.
But you know.. “These dolls would help those who are socially inept with women to better their relationships with them”
So, in short, if we put an AI in anything sex-related, we know it’s the one who will convince all the other to wipe out mankind.
Are we specifically talking about trans characters or performers? Because if it’s the latter, I want to bring up Maddie Blaustein, the voice of Meowth during Pokemon’s first several (and most successful) years. That kind of counts as network TV, right?
Also, as soon as I saw this guy’s name, I read the entire entry in Pamela Hayden’s voice in my mind, which put another delicious layer of irony on the whole process.
OT, but HILARIOUS!!
Shkreli convicted.
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/04/pharma-bro-martin-shkreli-convicted-in-federal-fraud-case.html
@ JS
Oh dear.
Some of my DV specialist lawyer friends have been keeping an eye on him. Originally that was because there are some real issues about third party intervention in cases of genuine abuse. Now it’s because he’s a flying more red flags than May Day in Moscow.
One glimmer of hope is that from his comments about her supposedly bad mouthing him, it may indicate his victim has raised his behaviour with people. However he does seem to still be employed by the NGO. So maybe she’s just running the clock down until she leaves. I can’t blame her.
This is concerning though:
Even though that was a guy asking the question, there’s just something disconcerting about his approach to professional relationships. It’s like he sees them as a surrogate for personal ones. I’ll admit my view is skewed by what we know about him. Coming from anyone else I wouldn’t bat an eyelid at the advice; but from him it’s just extra creepy, and doesn’t bode well for future employees.
OT:
Apparently Steven Miller’s been a creep, a racist, and incel-adjacent since at least age 16. Here’s a letter he wrote to a local newspaper as a teenager:
https://www.surfsantamonica.com/ssm_site/the_lookout/letters/Letters-2002/MARCH_2002/03_27_2002_Political_Correctness_Out_of_Control.htm
My favorite part: “should any student accomplish the opportunity to have sex”. He makes it sound like a resume-builder.
It must be hard to grow up oppressed in Santa Monica.
I love that the intro to that clause was “And while we are on the subject of personal accomplishment…”
Aim high, Steve.
*siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiigh*
Why must you do this to me, humanity?
Roy Cohn’s estate should sue Stephen Miller for a “look and feel” trademark infringement.
He’s the creepy guy other creepy guys think is creepy.
It’d be bad enough if he were a remorseless liar who promotes his anti-human schtick out of sheer self-interest, but that he actually believes the horrible things he says just puts the rotting maraschino cherry on the roadkill and refuse sundae.
That Miller letter… so much for paying attention in class.
Splitting people into liberals/conservatives at that young of an age… These days he’d probably be home-schooled to keep him away from liberal “agendas”.
@ChimericMind
I’m looking for the first trans actor/actress performer on US broadcast TV. Maddie counts. Thanks!
@Alan
Yeah, coming from anyone else, that would seem like a reasonable thing to do. But from him, the subtext of “and try to start a more personal relationship” is overwhelming the good part of “be social with your colleagues, and try to learn more about the business”.
Robert Walker-Smith said
My personal experience says this is pretty much a given for the OP. Why? I have known two trans women personally (co-workers) and been acquaintances with two more (friends of friends) and this statement is one that can be applied to me!
I have learned more about trans people on this blog than from my exposure to the trans people I have known in meatspace*. And thanks to you all for that!
Also, I did not get the memo from Katie that I wasn’t to be taking so many showers! Or am I supposed to accept the fact that fat folks just be smelly? I has confooses!
*Not wanting to be an obnoxious, Nosy Nellie cis person!
Apologies if I’ve linked this before, but that post reminded me of that one dating profile I saw on Tumblr that reads like the parody I devoutly hope it is:
To quote the person who posted it to Tumblr: HOO DANG, WHAT A PANTYDROPPER. (Linked from my name, just in case you think I’m ill enough to make this up.)
If you ask someone about your sexifyin’ skills and they say “you were very enthusiastic,” that’s probably not a compliment.
@Redsilkphoenix:
Mrs. Hudson (Elementary) was AWESOME. I was so pleased to see how her character was regarded by the other characters on the show. Her presence and impact on the narrative felt real (to my cis-female self, anyway) and I was always happy when she popped back in to say hi. I had to look Ms. Kane up because I’d never seen her before. She’s delightful and I hope she keeps getting work.
@Alan:
…………okay, that is… somehow not at all surprising, and at the same time, HACHI-MACHI, what a nightmare. He went full monster, from 0 to 60. I reeeeeeeeally hope that woman and her boyfriend are safe from him, because I’m not expecting a lot of police presence in their lives. I’d hoped that his deleting his other post was a sign that he’d gotten a clue, but given the intensity of his fixation on her… yeah.
That he still seems to believe she’s “delusional” is… I think “troubling” is a few county lines away from being a strong enough word. That guy is obviously quite dangerous. I wish there were something we could do to help… :/
It really pisses that guy off that even the evil smelly tatted up Skankasauruses want nothing to do with him, doesn’t it.
Why is sex-having an “accomplishment”, though? Considering how commonplace and often pallid the experience is, it sure isn’t much of one. That’s why I laughed my ass off when I finally got around to (very belatedly) doffing my virginity. It was actually BORING! Anyone who thinks he’s “accomplished” something just by dipping his wick really needs to take a hard seat. Dude, the reason so many women are picky about whom they boink is because they know that boinking ain’t shit (although it IS often shitty, and made more so by not even liking the guy).
Why do misogynists always think they’ll look like George Clooney when they get older?
If you don’t look this now
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/05/18/23/28D60B0400000578-3086968-image-a-7_1431987617690.jpg
you’re not going to look like this
http://photonews.com.pk/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/GeorgeClooney.jpg
In a few decades. Sorry, bro.
@Gussie Jives:
There’s plenty to mock or question about him without implying that there’s anything shameful about his possible porn preferences.
How many of these guys have “pwned” another player, I wonder? Or threatened rape to women they want to silence and harass?
@Laugher at Bigots:
David’s takedown of his nonsensical “paean to his spooge” sure is. Pure gold. I laughed myself sick re-reading it.
In England we have Rebecca Root and Adele Anderson, both of whom have acted on national television (as well as elsewhere, of course).
btw “a bunch of mean fatties who think they’re all that” = deffo my next band name
I don’t understand the elevated position they give sex, as if it is the only thing worth being alive for, and if you can’t have it, you should die. Sex isn’t everything in life, we aren’t amoeba or bacteria. There are loads of things you can do instead of fretting your life away over pussy. Why do they think that they are all going to be astronauts or the president, when all they want to do is cry wank over internet porn , then go out with a shot gun and kill people? That’s not how society works, patriachist or no. 🙁
Mike!
Yes! And thank you. Soap was a huge deal in my youth. My mom lost a few friends over that (because I’m gay and some of her friends protested the networks–like actual picket signs and shouting–because of Jodie).
I think it’s super important to remember our history.
They say it’s the most important thing in life mostly because that’s what society (ref: Patriarchy) teaches them. Fight the Man, for them too.