The Daily Stormer praises alleged “honor killer” of London teen for “defending his race”

Hey. I’m TRULY sorry if I made anybody feel bad for not being able to drive, for various reasons. FWIW, I BARELY got my driver’s license well after high school, and had a permit when I entered undergrad in the Nineties. I come from a place with an active, visible driving culture (South Florida). Even if you couldn’t have your own car, you were expected to somehow have one – even if you were dirt poor like I was, and worked during the school year and on breaks for shit like text books and food. I’m permanently banned from my elderly mother’s empty-nest bad-ass Mustang, after an unfortunate incident of backing into our mailbox 20 years ago. It…it never stops hurting.

I KNOW this is far from universal. Part of why I moved to New York was because the MTA is a miracle of public transit, and I could be assured that I would never, ever have to parallel park, which isn’t even something TAUGHT in Florida. (We have massive parking lots and valets. I mean…LOL)

What struck me as hilariously absurd is that the vile, putrid, ceaselessly enraged, embittered, entitled, frothing racist pint of fucknuggetry that we call Andrew Anglin is scowling in a photo with his DRIVER’S PERMIT. Like…except for their beaming grins, THIS was the photo my friends all took after their quinceanera parties! How is this…I mean. No motorcycling license? No CDL? No HAZMAT? I…you’re mean-mugging with a junior license with that same air of unprovoked defiance that these people reserve for their avis in front of the stars-and-bars? It’s just…no.

Can a person be a bad-ass with a permit? Hell, yeah, they can! MY friends were. But this dude? Nope.

@Kupo: Cognitive skills may not have been the proper term, because I certainly wasn’t talking about spatial skills. I’ve always thought of it in a computer analogy. Mental illness is a hardware problem, a structural or chemical dysfunction that makes it more difficult for a person to function. You may well be able to treat the issue, but you can’t remove and replace the brain. The issues I’m talking about are poor reasoning and critical thinking skills, which I see as analogous to programming/software issues — you might be able to correct these deficiencies with better education, at least at earlier ages before a person’s beliefs have been ossified. So I do think we need a word for a person with this sort of problem which is clean of all reference to mental illness. At WHTM we seem to be stuck with words like “asshole” and “shitstain” and “shitgibbon”, which don’t really specify this particular problem, and which also have the deficiency of implying that bad thinking is the result of personality flaws (which IS probably part of the story), which probably cannot be remedied, rather than poor training in intellectual skills, which might be remediable. And in particular, a better emphasis on teaching better intellectual skills might pay a lot of dividends, while assuming that the “deplorables” are simply natural assholes that are going to happen no matter what we do seems defeatist to me.

@Axe: I grew up in the 50s and 60s so I know fairly well what things were like then. One of my earliest memories is hearing a news item about an attack on Nat “King” Cole and my father trying to explain to me why people would attack a SINGER. I grew up in a totally white area — in school I had just one African American classmate, for one year only (he was from a local orphans’ home). Racism wasn’t much of an issue for obvious reasons.
When I was 15 my aunt in San Francisco gave me a trip out there, and I spent some time with a boy of my age who was planning to be a priest — he was the protege of an older priest who was close to her late husband’s family in Louisiana — and I don’t want to even THINK about what might have been going on there. (This was a priest who owned a private plane …) This was my first exposure to outright racism, and I was shocked. So, while I know that there isn’t any way that I could have grown up white in the US in that period without some dose of racism, I think I was lucky enough to have gotten a fairly weak dose.
My problem with what you say is that I think it’s virtually impossible not to have acquired some degree of racism as a white person growing up in the US, but IMO that doesn’t mean you are doomed to being a racist person. A lot of effort has been put into encouragement of diversity and diminishing racist ideas. This afternoon I ran some errands, thinking about this thread as I went. I went to pick up vegetables at the local Unitarian Church, and on the door was a poster with a diverse group of people with the caption “We all belong here. We stand by each other.” A tiny thing, obviously, but a baby step in the right direction. I went to the grocery store and a black guy in a mixed race couple with an obviously mixed-race child — which you wouldn’t have seen in my area 20 years ago — held the door for me because I’m obviously mobility-challenged. I saw two other young women with children who were obviously browner than they were. Change is happening. Not fast enough, of course — it never is.

My point is that instead of helping racism to die out, the Republican Party has cultivated and nurtured it. Over the last 50-60 years there has been a lot of study of what you might call marketing psychology, and that has led to the development of a lot of techniques for bypassing people’s rational defenses by manipulating fear and anger. Even a relatively banal thing like peanut butter was promoted with the slogan “Choosy moms choose Jif,” which obviously played on a woman’s fear of being not considered a mom who cared about what her kids ate. The Republican racist campaign depends on fairly sophisticated, well-financed techniques to keep poorly-educated people scared and angry. So it seems to me that dismissing the results of such a campaign as “Well, they were racists anyway,” basically concedes that white people are racist by NATURE and there’s really not much you can do about it.
I don’t blame you the slightest bit for feeling the way you do, but as a white person I’m not prepared to accept that white racism can’t be ameliorated and maybe even cured. Unfortunately for me, part of the cure is that my generation has to pass away.

@Dormousing_It

Perhaps I can get the DL over winter break.

And I’ll keep the Federal idea in mind, assuming the government machine doesn’t break within the next few years. I do have an alternative via my mom’s company (which is not averse to hiring family in the slightest), and I eventually want to strike out on my own, but…well, I just want to have a secure living wage.

@Still Fiqah – not offended! Just curious! And Anglin’s badass posturing is pretty mockable.

@Dan Hoan, @Sinkable John – That sucks. Nobody should treat you as a lesser person for not driving.

@Scildfreja – Oh, I’m also in Canada! Just the other side of it. I live in the city where Roosh V got beer dumped on his head. 🙂 And my dad’s from Maine. I just feel kind of… provincial?… not having been a lot of places, so sorry for my alien-from-Mars sort of questions (“Are motor vehicles a status symbol in your culture? Hm, how interesting.”) 😀

@wwth – Minneapolis-Saint Paul seems a bit like Montreal & environs – trafficky, with a lot of places joined to one metropolitan area. Probably could use more trains. Those things can be expensive, though. I’m paying around $115/mo for a combined train-bus pass and I’m not that far from downtown.

If you look a woman in the eye and call her a n***er-fucking whore, she will remember that for the rest of her life

Sorry, sweetie, but you would be forgotten in a hot minute. You’re not the only random asshole in the world, and most of us really don’t obsess over the things random assholes say to us.

If you see these people in Walmart, for instance, look the white woman directly in the eyes and say “how does that n***er dick taste, whore?”

If this Trump-era white-dude-disinhibition fad continues, pretty soon they’ll be masturbating in the streets and flinging feces. These are the creators and keepers of civilization?

@Jesalin : I am not against calling them name, but it can be good indeed to have a term to distinguish people who have a mental diseases, and people who use their brain wrong.

If you see these people in Walmart, for instance, look the white woman directly in the eyes and say “how does that n***er dick taste, whore?”

“Definitely not as bitter as yours, asshole.”

You can also yell from your car. If you see women with someone of another race, slow down, roll down your window and yell: “n***er-fucking whore! What does your father think????”

What the hell is up with these people thinking that all dads just despise the idea of their daughter being in an interracial relationship?? Not every man older than 50 is a racist POS.
If I came home with a black boyfriend, worst case scenario would be that my dad would make him listen to all his jazz records.

It’s such a weird and alien mindset to me. These people claim to love their race and culture, but they are so eager to surrender all decent parts of it and become just as vile as the “inferior” races that they hate.
Oh, and kids, don’t ask random women in Walmarts how “n***er dick tastes like”! You come off as very jealous. There is enough n***er dick for everyone

Oh, and kids, don’t ask random women in Walmarts how “n***er dick tastes like”! You come off as very jealous. There is enough n***er dick for everyone

Ah, a vital part of America’s favorite pastime. Who can forget cheering for your favorite baseball team while the vendors walked up and down the aisles “Get yer n***er dicks! Red Hot N***er dicks! Two for a dolla!”

@Fiqah, <3! It's okay my duck!

@Troubelle, and #Driving,

I only got my learners' and drivers' when I was 25. A year later I was navigating dense traffic, and a year after that I was working in another city entirely, with a five hour drive when I wanted to visit home. My income had tripled and my work was much, much more secure.

It feels intimidating – I remember that! But it isn't so bad once you're settled. The only thing I can really suggest is that when they tell you that you should keep a big buffer of space in front of you, they mean it. Driving is not really about pointing the car in the right way. That bit’s easy, honest. The important part is communicating to other people what you’re doing, and making sure they (and you) have the time to respond.

You can do the thing!

@epitome of incomprehensibility, woo, canadafriends! Don’t worry about feeling provincial. You are! You’re from a province after all. Here in Alberta our cities aren’t that big, and they all sprawl – the city limits are very wide and they’re just lines on a map, so suburban creep is a huge issue. Makes our buses and light rail really inefficient (ineffective?), moreso than the east coast cities I’ve visited. Like, there’s a legitimate issue in how long it can take to get around on a bus compared to a car, because the routes have to be so long. Troublesome!

@GrumpyOld SocialJusticeMangina

Mental illness is a hardware problem, a structural or chemical dysfunction that makes it more difficult for a person to function. You may well be able to treat the issue, but you can’t remove and replace the brain. The issues I’m talking about are poor reasoning and critical thinking skills, which I see as analogous to programming/software issues — you might be able to correct these deficiencies with better education, at least at earlier ages before a person’s beliefs have been ossified.

goes cross-eyed

Erm… the metaphor between brain “hardware” and brain “software” is … oh, dear. Well. It’s bad. Shudderingly bad. I don’t fault you for holding to it my duck! Everyone does it. It’s basically a modern interpretation of mind-body duality, and we have an strong impulse to think that way. Daniel Dennett does a great job talking about this in a lot of his writing. It’s by far the most common and most intuitive way to think about how the brain works. So please don’t think I’m picking on you!

It’s just, well. Wrong. Wrongety-wrong. What you’re calling “software” is the “hardware”. Mental illness can and and often is based on bad thinking habits. Those bad thinking habits are indistinguishable from the biological process on which they are based.

How we think now affects how we think later. How our brains operate now influences how our brains operate later. This is two ways to make the same statement.

Now – your actual point! I completely, 100% agree that we need to improve education when it comes critical reasoning skills. We need to do this so very desperately. Mental hygiene should be taught alongside sex ed, health classes, and PE! Should be a requirement! How to be self-critical, how to investigate a subject, how to avoid biases. All directed at self improvement and not directed at critiquing or correcting others. Yes please!

As for a word-that-means-poor-reasoning-skills, I’m sort of with Axe in that it’d be co-opted by ableism. The ableism problem is that we associate mental issues with bad behaviour, and use words to express that. Adding a new word to a slice of that bad-behaviour side of the network would automatically associate it with the other ableist language. It would start the hard work of breaking those associative links, though, if it was properly chosen to associate with people-who-have-mental-issues-are-not-bad words, though. It’d have to be chosen very carefully, and language doesn’t really work that way.

I suggest that instead we focus on calling them awful, instead of broken. Call out their poor reasoning skills directly if you want, but I think that calling them terrible without using ableist language would be more effective and natural at breaking the semantic links between ableist language and bad behaviour. Just my opinion, though!

look a woman in the eye and call her a n***er-fucking whore

I know that this is not meant to be funny, but what Anglin has totally missed is that a lot of men shout vile abuse at women from the safety of their cars already. Just walking down the street minding one’s own business can be enough to be subjected to verbal abuse.

Those of us who have experienced this on an industrial scale just learn to block it out – rather like the best way to cope with a crying baby who does not respond to soothing. And if a man did that to my face I would just think that there was something wrong with him – and I’d be right!

Yes, vicious abuse is something we do not forget, but tbh there is such a range of it that being called a n****r loving w***e once by a Nazi is going to fade into obscurity behind all the threats to our body integrity and safety (yes, I am talking rape threats, but lots of other stuff too).

You would think that Anglin MIGHT be able to work this out, as surely he must be aware of how much misogyny is in daily life – seeing as he embraces it himself.