MRA grandaddy Paul Elam: Dogwhistling his way into the Alt Right?

@Gussie Jives Oh I know. I’m from Yorkshire, where women and kids used to work down in coal mines. Women also worked in the weaving mills, some of them in very skilled jobs.

But you’d think even Paul Elam would notice that it’s mostly women who teach children to talk and that this is really rather important.

@ Weirwood:

Why don’t MRA memes ever make any damn sense.

As we say around here, I think the answer to your question is in your question.

@Preux

I feel like an unmarried candidate for presidency would face a lot of pressure, too, for example

Sorta (TW: rape)

Buchanan was constantly hounded about it. Lotta people thought and think that he was gay. Speculation about which was used to make him seem a weak person and President. And he was ineffectual in office, but somehow i doubt that had anything to do with orientation

Oppo research on Clevand found that he sired a child out of wedlock. He struck back that Ms Halpin was… of questionable morality and that the baby could be anybody’s. This won over the public, cos of course (she’s a skank, so she doesn’t matter. And isn’t he honest and dignified? See: every modern Republican in a hetero sex scandal)
He did fail to mention, in his honesty, that he (allegedly, likely) raped her, had her and the child separated, and threw her in an asylum, before the smear campaign. Oddly, that part didn’t get much press. Then he got married, and that’s its own bucket of shit…

@Susan – awww, thank you for that very sweet and kind perspective.

I know a number of people in astro who went in because they wanted to be astronauts when they were kids. Even though what Dormousing_it says is very common, there’s a lot of people who put up with the maths because they adore the vision of themselves travelling through space.

Lots of little girls dream of being astronauts. Some of them lose the dream; others are inspired to go into science. We need to foster those dreams and to keep them from being discouraged. The world needs more astronomers and astrophysicists, after all. We have work to do.

Back women women were shut out of most careers and higher education they didn’t dream of marrying up, the were often forced to.

TW: rape, mutilation and forced marriage, homophobia, racism, ablism, suicide.
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My own great-grandmother was forced to have all her teeth pulled so dentures would give her a perfect smile and she wouldn’t cost her husband anything in the way of dental bills. She was told to marry an older (quite unattractive and unkind) man with money and on her wedding day when she tried to back out, her mother slapped her and sent her down the isle in tears.

Her father was a drunk and her mother’s antique business had kept the family fed after her dad’s business failed. They needed to marry their daughter off for the money and social standing.

Having been raped on a date with a well to do young man with the nicest horse and carriage in town (The family blamed a mysterious “migrant worker” when they couldn’t hide it. *shudder*) she was damaged goods. But she was pretty and she could cook, keep house and have babies.

She was not a happy woman. She had numerous “nervous breakdowns”. She lost her infant daughter to Scarlet Fever. Her son, my grandfather died fairly young. She married and buried a few husbands and once told me, “All my husbands were sons of bitches but I got a brand new car every time I got married.”
It gave me chills.

Yes, she was materialistic. She was made to be. They used to tell girls back then, “If you want a million dollars, you’re sitting on it.” They never said, “If you want a million dollars, stay in school.” Marrying for love during the depression was a luxury many could not afford. Families basically sold their daughters when they could.

Besides, men were expected to cheat. Marrying for love wouldn’t make a woman happy. It was said that on Sundays the men in that little Indiana town would bring their families home from church (where the KKK would occasionally have weinie roasts for the kids) and then drive straight to the local cat house.

Or they did until the cat house mysteriously burned down. Rumor had it some local wives did it. It did nothing to stop the philandering.

Similarly, secretaries “sleeping” with their employers was done out of coercion. If a woman wanted to keep her job, that’s what she had to do. Sure, the wives hated them and blamed them. They were trained to, just like they hated and blamed the sex workers.

All these stereotypes of greedy, manipulative, backstabbing women are really blaming the evil men did on the women they did it to.

All the issues the MAGA crowd pretends are new, aren’t.

I had a great uncle who remained a bachelor and always employed handsome houseboys. But he wasn’t gay! /s No one was gay. They weren’t allowed to be.

The mentally ill were quietly locked away or took their own lives and the families never spoke of them. That happened to another uncle on the other side of the family. (He had been my mother’s favorite because he wouldn’t let her mother spank her when he was home.)

Those are the good old days people want to see return when they say they want to MAGA.
There was nothing good about them unless you were a well off white man.

Paul and the manosphere/alt-right types know it too.

@JoeB

I just read that article and (as I just tweeted) it is fucking DELIGHTFUL, in a weird, end-of-days-so-I-might-as-well-laugh way.

You know what Mooch & Drumpf? You guys go right ahead. Go ahead and fire everybody and put your own people in place. DO IT! Stack the ranks with more criminals!

Because as soon as there are NO “adults” in the room, the sooner we get these assholes impeached and, hopefully, imprisoned. (THAT MEANS YOU TOO, JEFFY SESSIONS).

The myth that women ruin men’s lives by crushing their childhood dreams is interestingly blinkered and more back-to-front than not; a) capitalism does a bang-up job of crushing most people’s dreams, and b) women are even more likely than men to give up ambitions to do something fulfilling in order to meet their family’s immediate needs.

It’s funny how in the manuresphere, when a man gives up on a childhood career dream to take a boring but stable job to support his family, it’s all the machinations of evil wimmenz crushing the dreams of innocent menz. It’s never considered his choice at all. But when a woman gives up on pursuing her career dreams to support her family it’s because women are too lazy to pursue high powered careers. The wage gap is all women’s fault because instead of working hard, they have to cut back on their hours to take of the kids.

They can never accept the fact that capitalism forces the majority of people of all genders and races into doing what they have to do survive and perhaps have a halfway decent quality of life. That would take the wind out of the misogynist and/or libertarian sails and we can’t have that, can we?

How did the good old days go for my family? Lets see.

On my mom’s side, my great aunt was raped while passed out drunk at a party when she was a teenager. She became pregnant from the rape. The rapist was from a rich family. They payed our family off to send her away to have the baby and put it up for adoption. I guess that worked out better for her than being forced to marry her rapist though.

My great-great uncle was almost certainly gay and probably on the autism spectrum (it runs in our family). He was just known as an eccentric bachelor, of course. He had a good job and made a lot of money but was probably lonely and depressed. He eventually committed suicide. He did leave my grandparents a bit of money and my grandmother had a natural talent for investing that didn’t lead anywhere because the closest she got to working in finance was working as a bank teller before she got married and became a housewife. She did invest well and make some money. In other words, it’s not a straight man that is responsible for our family having a modest sum of money that we can use in case of financial emergency.

On my dad’s side, my great grandmother died in childbirth. My grandmother and her brother grew up on my great-great grandfather’s farm because her father didn’t want to care for her and her brother after her mother died. They had a decent enough childhood. Until their grandfather died and they had to go live with the father who didn’t want them. They weren’t adequately fed and my grandmother was verbally abused by her father. He was always calling her ugly. She would also get in trouble if she took any food from the kitchen without permission.

Yeah, the good old days were just fucking fantastic.

@ Virgin Mary,

I didn’t have the world’s best childhood either, I come from a broken home, all of my relatives are divorced. And our pal T here says “me too”.

In my case, it’s hard to put into words. Not because there was anything shocking, if anything the opposite. The banality of it all. And forget men and women – how about how quickly the children are cast aside?

I don’t trust people.

That’s not too bad of an issue, and I do have some nice friends, I have had some OK relationships with men (as a straight female), I have no desire for the ‘traditional family’ type of thing though, forget that. I’ve never seen that work out.

Well in a few instances I have, was thinking of my immediate relatives, there were two gung ho family types who did it, seemingly successfully, – these are now also getting divorced. I guess props for not deserting young kids? They did crap out also, both on the H’s end, who had a stereotypical mid life crisis.

I’m glad I took a pass on it all. You’ll get a lot of flak for it too.
And you have to be strong minded to resist it. The propaganda.
I never had any trouble resisting any “biological urges” re kids – because I don’t have any.

If you are reasonably good looking you’ll get hit on by any and all men including married men, which gives you a bad opinion. Way to disrespect your wife ASSHOLE.

@JoeB

That is hilarious, and also despair-inducing. Just when you thing the white house can’t be more of a clusterfuck…

There’s dog whistles and then there’s dog farts. Elam’s letting rip a couple of farts, he’s trying so hard to whistle.