By David Futrelle
So over in the Men Going Their Way subreddit, the fellas are talking about what to do with “leftover” — i.e. unmarried — women after men finally step up and take the vote away from women, who are always voting for the wrong things anyway.
Apparently unable to understand that most women have jobs, the MGTOWs naturally conclude that in their version of utopia the single ladies — deprived not only of husbands and their resources but of Big Daddy government as well — won’t be able to support themselves. But the MGTOWs, kind ghouls souls all, don’t want to let them starve!
One brave MGTOW has a solution:
(Note: in the preceding quote “CC Rider” refers not to the famous song but to the infamous “cock carousel.”)
Naturally, other MGTOWs are enthusiastic about Mr. BCPrepper’s ingenious proposal.
BCPrepper goes on to praise himself for his “humanitarian” solution to the Leftover Woman Problem.
Such thoughtful fellows these MGTOWs are!
SFHC: Yes, but/and as we all know, Poochie died on the way to his home planet. …That is a fantastic clip. Good old giant sprawling Bethesda games, you are infested with so many bugs. And also Frostbite Spiders, which are also bugs and made this arachnophobe a little troubled with playing that game.
@ EducatedRedneck
I’m a big fan of RPGs, so this trend scares me.
It’s mostly why I’m not part of that (RPG) community.
I know No clever nickname already commented on this but this does bear repeating.
“But if I could have a wife raised to by(sic) a wife, with 100% loyalty and efficient, and without brainwashing bullshit…”
?
So… the spare woman is impregnated by “someone else”. Who? Who is this man of mystery who gallantly donates his sperm so a sex slave for another man can be born? Might he not want his child to live with him instead of his partner’s owner? Might he not want Spare Woman to come and live with him?
Also, what if the baby is a boy?
Carl of Swindon and his ilk do somewhat rile me. It’s that combination of bullying, cowardice, and hypocrisy. And the overall unfairness.
They push all the boundaries knowing they’re safe and they face no consequences. Like all bullies, the moment they receive any push back they go running to teacher. And unfortunately, just like teachers, society says victims have to put up with it and not retaliate.
They get away with setting the rules so that they have all the advantages and the fight is conducted solely on their terms. But that’s like me challenging a black woman to a name calling contest. They ignore the wider context and rely on false equivalence to claim ‘both sides are the same’. I don’t think they are actually oblivious to the real hurt and harm they cause. They know exactly what they’re doing. Their sanctimony is therefore all the more galling.
The problem with these keyboard warrior types is that they never have to face real fear and threat. So long as they’re allowed to set the rules that will continue. Personally I’m a believer that the person initiating an attack doesn’t get to dictate the parameters of the response. But that’s probably all I can say within the bounds of the comments policy.
@Ethan I don’t know where you live or how old you are but there are land trusts that support young farmers by providing cheap or free land.
JennyWren:
On the first point, I’m guessing that it would be a sort of reciprocal arrangement: two of these gentlemen would make an agreement where each impregnates the other’s slave, uh, I mean wife.
On the second point, I suspect this dystopia would have a lot of infanticide.
This is totally how they come across, which makes it all the more incomprehensible that they believe that they can subjugate women in this way. Maybe brute force is all they plan on using, in which case they will be outwitted in minutes.
@Troubelle
Then you have it well in hand, I reckon. No good following your dreams on an empty stomach. As far as getting into game development, I have nothing for you. They might tho:
https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLhyKYa0YJ_5DuIIh7p9FOaR6f-WTTzz_A
Dunno 1)how much that helps you specifically, 2)how much you already know. But you’ve got years to figure it out, and I figure any information is good information. Especially the game school episode. Maybe look into EKU? 🙂
@Jenny
He read somewhere that the Y donating parent determines the baby’s sex, and assumed he had superpowers
Nthing the other people who pointed out this guy clearly doesn’t know what words mean.
Also, it reminded me of one of my favorite lines from The Mikado.
For background: Nanki-Poo has discovered that Ko-Ko is grooming Yum-Yum to be his wife, and since Nanki-Poo loves her very dearly, this obviously distressed him, so he attempted suicide. Upon hearing that Nanki-Poo is determined to die, Ko-Ko and Nanki-Poo strike a deal so that they can both get what they want. Nanki-Poo will marry Yum-Yum (and will live high on the hog for his last month on Earth on Ko-Ko’s dime for his sacrifice), and Ko-Ko will get to execute someone so he can keep his job (The Mikado was not happy to hear that the Lord High Executioner hadn’t actually executed anyone after giving him the office).
However, Ko-Ko has some reservations.
How very generous of you. [/sarcasm]
It’s fucking gross to me how these assholes expect people with vaginas to go through the physical pain and stress of pregnancies to provide them with kids, but they expect that they shouldn’t have to contribute anything other than sperm (no care for pregnant person or child, no money for them to survive on, no “resources” at all) and still think they should be able to lay claim to the child as though it was (their) property.
Same.
I’m also going to Nth everyone yet again on the “they clearly didn’t think this through” bit because holy shit they don’t realize what “breaking the world” would actually entail.
I mean, they don’t want to work to raise their fucking children, what the fuck makes them think that breaking the world and surviving in post-apocolyptia is going to be any less fucking work???
http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/2013/10/a-toast.gif
inb4 dudes get upset that this hypothetical woman would murder her abuser:
Hey, doesn’t this post-apocalypse world of yours not have laws or police to enforce them? I’m pretty sure that’s what wastelanders would call “taking care of business”.
Another thing that our dear Miggytoes seem to forget: If you take away laws, you can’t just take them away for your particular group. Everybody plays by those rules.
@Hesster and Kat
Sure, death before slavery/marriage to MGTOW, but it’s not going to be my death. I’m the one who knows which plants are edible and which are poisonous.
@Axe
Congrats on the raise!
Re: Boogie
Ok, this is starting to make more sense. Some of you may recall my lead, who takes the approach of being better than everyone else by pointing out how wrong both sides are in any given dispute and who was lecturing me because I’m a feminist about Anita.
Well, he mentioned this Boogie guy as a YTer he watches and was talking about how Boogie went into this panel worried that Anita would think he was going to antagonize her because his YT personality is just a character he plays and not who he is (I’m not even going to get into that, but we all know what’s wrong with that in the first place). Apparently she was on edge the whole time because of his YT personality and he apparently went over time and didn’t give her a chance to respond to a question during the panel, so she called him out for it. Apparently whatever she said was deemed in violation of the conduct policy by GGers but not by VidCon (who apologized to Anita), and Anita and Boogie worked things out in the green room after the panel.
Mind you, this is all what I heard from my lead so it’s through a “both sides are wrong” lens and should be taken with a grain of salt.
@Cleon
Please read the commenting policy.
@Troubelle
The best advice I can give you is to not get so attached to your “dream job” that you sabotage your flexibility and happiness if you wind up somewhere else. Definitely pursue your dreams! Just don’t limit yourself. Be open to your dreams changing. I will tell you this: the difference between a good job and a crappy job is not the work you do, but the people with whom you work and how well you are paid for the work you do. Your boss, your co-workers, your hours, and the fairness of your paycheck make or break a job. A job in your dream field where your boss is constantly undercutting you is not going to be enjoyable, and neither is a job where your paycheck is good but you are expected to work 80-hour weeks.
Be flexible, and be open to being happy in a job that isn’t the one you’re dreaming about right now. Pursuing your dreams is important, but it’s not the only thing that is important.
Q: “Also, what if the baby is a boy?”
A: “On the second point, I suspect this dystopia would have a lot of infanticide.”
Added: …and recycling.
Trying not to laugh at these idiots, and failing as usual.
How many of them would survive/thrive after the apocalypse they so desperately desire (because the end of the world means all the wimmins will want to actually come within three feet of them)?
Not many. They don’t spend their (clearly plentiful) spare time studying living off the land, hunting/fishing, meteorology, animal husbandry and suchlike. They spend it posting on Reddit about how the impending collapse of civilisation is going to make them all the centrepiece of a Boris Vallejo painting, with scantily clad slavegirls gripping onto their muscular thighs, while they gaze heroically into the middle distance.
Sorry lads, but if and when the apocalypse comes, you’re going to find that you can’t actually eat your anime avatars/memes.
Extinction beckons, MGTOW redditors…
@Axecalibur
m8, I’m already subbed to Extra Credits. We’re operating on the same frequency here–and I believe I’ve seen the gaming school episode.
And by EKU, do you mean Eastern Kentucky University? I’ve been there twice for Stephen Foster Music Camp. It’s a pretty sweet place, and it was my introduction to uni cafeterias–plus they had a jukebox there! Even had some Pendulum on it. If they have good game…stuff, then I’ll have to consider it. (That said, I’ve been sent letters from quite a few universities over these past few years due to high scores. I have a lot to choose from–and there’s a chance I need not even pay for my meal.)
@PoM
I’m able to understand that much, at least. (For instance, my CFA job can be a little tiring, but at least they don’t try to undercut me [yeah, it’s minimum wage, but there’s no mind games going on] and my coworkers are genuinely quite pleasant.) And even if I wind up getting a (decently paying, not soul-sucking) job far outside the realm of gaming, well…nothing wrong with a little side project, huh? Not much stopping me from putting together a ramshackle indie dev team by night. Probably won’t make much money, but we can certainly try.
In the 80s, I was involved in two different survival camps, both 6 month, both over winter. We didn’t make it thru the first, (flu), but we learned a lot. Not enough, didn’t make it thru the second, either (fire, that was bad). Physical defense was not much an issue either time tho that’s extrapolated as there was no real danger. Biggest issues were health/injury, and the ubiquitous unforeseen events.
Oh, just FYI, sex wasn’t really an issue either, we were all too tired, too ill, or just too worried.
Policy of Madness
Troubelle, this is very important. I gave up a job I loved for a job that paid twice as much and I suffered. I didn’t like the people, I hated going in to the office every day. I hated it. And I flamed out in a spectacular way. By that time, I couldn’t go back to the job I loved because, eight years later, the same dynamic no longer existed. I kick myself about that every day. (Not saying it will be the same for you, but being happy in a job is really important, imo.)
My very best friends in the world are the people I met in my first (low-paid) jobs. We’ve all gone on to much better places because we’ve always supported each other.
@ Policy of Madness
The whole thing or a certain part?
I’m having trouble understanding which part was against policy.
I’m sorry I can’t understand things easily.
(I’m not Cleon, by the way, just a newbie wanting to learn and understand.)
My gf and I (two feeeeemales!) have a piece of land and two houses on it. We have neighbors who come to us every day for water because we have the only water spring in this area. We paid an astronomical amount of money for this spring, so it was not a serendipitous discovery. It was because we could pay to drill that far down.
I imagine if an apocalypse happened, everyone around here would want our water. But only the two of us, together, can put in the code to get the pump going.
My gf set it up this way precisely because of “bandits” (Russians love the word “bandit” which has always made me chuckle) so she has to put in her code and I have to put in mine. (We don’t know each others’.)
I just think our neighbors, who bring us many fresh vegetables in exchange for water, would probably fight for us both to keep our water exchange going.
tl;dr We have a community we all benefit from and our community would rally around each other in times of need.
It’s all moot anyway because without electricity, we’d have no fresh water, except for our creek.
@Krasnaya Koshka
I’ll be sure to keep that in mind. I may not have much life experience, but I do know that while a job is not necessarily supposed to be fun, it should, at the very least, not be soul-sucking for the one working it. And different people fit in different environments better than others.
I’m fine with not being rich. I don’t need a McMansion–maybe a small house for my formative years until I can do the thing I really want to do–make one of those underground houses. Or hobbit-hole houses, as some may call them. I’ve seen at least partially-underground houses before, and they’ve always been interesting to me–and the benefits in temperature regulation are a major bonus.
As long as I have enough money to pay the bills, eat food, get decent clothes, and move around on more than just my feet (as someone who’s never been able to handle a bike…though maybe an adult trike would be nice?), I should be alright with the job. Though it would be nice if there was something to indulge with now and again, of course.
@A God of Darkness
“crazy” was the offending word. From the comments policy:
@A God of Darkness
Scroll down to the NOTES ON “CRAZY” section.
Edit: Ninja’d!
I don’t comment much because this all sounds just like my dad.
“Females are more acceptable holes than cows.”
“Females past 14 are useless.”
“Get a little girl and raise her up to be your wife.”
My parents were divorced in 1980 and he still writes to me about what a b***h my mom is, even though he’s been married three more times. None successful. I imagine some of these nyms might be him.
@Troubelle
Fair enough, leaving it to you, shutting up 🙂
@kupo
Appreciated, buddy ?
@Troubelle,
You sound like you have a very good head on your shoulders. I think you’ll do fine.
Having roommates was a necessary part of my youth and I learned a lot from it.
A hobbit-hole! That is something to aspire to. So cool in summer, so warm in winter. I sort of have the same, an underground office. Highly recommended.