Today’s MGTOW hero wants to bash women with a lead pipe, thinks Wonder Woman is overrated

@numerobis:

kupo and bina: let me guess. That day, you’re generally not particularly interested in sex. So your interests are aligned with those of the mgtow !

More like adverse to them. They seem to be awfully angry that so much of women’s lives has absolutely nothing to do with them, including certain bodily functions. And since yes, a bad period day is gonna leave one feeling decidedly unsexy (read: ill and in pain), they’re bound to take that as a personal affront. How DARE she have monthly cycles that sexually inconvenience her “owner”? Why are there no sammitches on the couch table? And where is that fuckin’ BEER?

“Women don’t understand how to behave like basic human beings”, says Reddit poster in the middle of a discussion about threatening, subjugating, and beating women.

These guys don’t even rise to the level of an Onion headline.

Adding to the previous comment, another quote from Morton that seems apropos:

The demon is better than a set of rose colored glasses. The demon’s victim does not understand why everyone else doesn’t fall down and accept the victim’s views. After all, the world is thought to be as the victim sees it and the demon doesn’t let through the gate the knowledge that others don’t see the same thing. Because of this, the victim assumes that everyone else is biased, or holding those views so that they can keep their job, or, in an even more devious attack by my demon, they think that their opponents are actually demon possessed themselves or sons of Satan.

It’s pretty much a whole set of known cognitive biases setting up a feedback loop amongst themselves.

A real philosopher, this guy.

Calls feminazis “unattractive bitter women” but I’m sure he and these dickheads he’s talking to are real lookers.

@IgnoreSandra: I love your concept! Good luck finding a group to play with, I hope you find a great one.

I also love the idea of playing characters, and not filling group roles. I have a lot more fun when I’m not a healer or an archer or whatever to round out what the group needs.

Maybe one day I’ll build a character with everything optimised, but that seems like a lot of work, and I’m lazy. XD

@IgnoreSandra @Rhuu

Thirded! Characters are much more fun to play than rules. I gravitate more towards high-Charisma support characters, so roleplay comes first, killing monsters a distant second.

roll20.net is a great tool for finding and playing with new groups. I highly recommend it, having used it myself to play with friends on different hemispheres.

Also, this ADDDDT should get eaten by goblins.

Apparently, menstrual blood is the most grossest thing on earth. You can spray your toilet bowl with runny shit, like I often do with my IBS, but it gets to a whole new level of gross when you add some blood splatter. A few days of that is enough to keep you filthy for the whole month!

Another concept I had was a paladin designed to Fall and become a Bard or Sorceror. Someone raised in the cloister of their order, and finds the real world very much different.

I think that’s a cool limit to put on yourself, that makes you really think about how to apply various mechanics in creative ways.

Meh. It isn’t hard to come up with backstory for stats, or for most skills. I’m doing a let’s play of the Baldur’s Gate trilogy, and my sorcerer has STR 20. It wasn’t difficult to invent backstory for that. If you want to minimax (and I did – it’s a no-reload game and I need every last stat point) creating backstory to justify the minimaxing requires the barest minimum of creativity.

When I was a storyteller for original WOD games, I judged characters solely on stats, with no regard for whatever “clever” ways the players invented to justify their stats. If I saw a minimaxed character, it was rejected, flat. I got used to listening to players whine, but minimaxed characters destroy the fun of a game for both the other players and for me. So into the bin they went, 100% of the time, and I didn’t care about backstory one bit.

Heh. Currently playing a game here that’s sort of a super-spies game using D&D 5E with a single ‘operative’ class and a number of custom feats. We’re using Roll20 to track things, even though we’re all meeting in person.

(Unfortunately, while the Android Roll20 application works great on my tablet for handling the character sheet and die rolls, I can’t see the map with it. As they say in the description, it’s really an adjunct to the ‘virtual table top’, not something that completely implements it. And the Android web browser on my tablet can’t quite handle the map either.)

I’m running an ‘Artful Dodger’ character… high charisma, high dexterity, and a feat that gets me automatic advantage on deception rolls… she’s fun.

Backstories are at least half the fun of character generation.

Oh, no question. I’ve built a lot of characters that I never played just to do backstory with them. My fav was a W:tA character, an Ahroun metis Fenrir with 5 Rage. He had the “short” flaw, and “forced transformation: homid when frenzied” and “short fuse.”

So, obviously he grew up taunted by the other werewolves and his reaction to that was … less than constructive. If you’re not familiar with the game, this combination of flaws and Rage means that he flies into a rage VERY easily, but shapeshifts automatically into a little person when he does. A ball of impotent fury and complexes.

Never played him, but always wanted to.

I always required players to have a compelling backstory, but never accepted justification-by-backstory as an excuse for combat monsters. Players can be ridiculous sometimes in building vampires who can only fight and nothing else. What fun is it running a game where the only way to engage the characters is to throw cannon fodder at them? What fun is it as a player to have to deal with that kind of character across the table? It was always dudes building these characters, btw, and they always played them as big dumb meatheads, and why in the fuck would that be fun for anyone else?

Paradoxical Intention – Leader of the Deathclaw Damsels

As if some of those women aren’t fully capable of beating the shit out of you.

One day my hubby of 40+ years was teasing me while we were in the kitchen. I held up the butcher knife I was using and picked up the cast iron frying pan and told him (jokingly) “Honey, maybe the kitchen is NOT the best place to annoy me. It’s where I store my weapons.”

Let’s see – ADDDDT complains about stalking laws, DV laws, the failure of joint custody, bashing women with lead pipes and “eliminating women”.
Do you think there may be some relationship between his expressed ideas and the reason that he is divorced?

@Dalillama

Yeah. I just need to find the mental energy to really look. I keep being afraid of what I’ll find, but that’s not constructive at all.

@PoM

My whole concept of skills + backstory has nothing to do with assigning skills and then creating backstory for them. It’s more the other way around – writing the character’s story, her people’s story, then filling in their skills. It doesn’t always work perfectly, but it helps figure out who the character is. It works a lot better for pen and paper sessions, cause in a video game, the character must be this strong mechanically speaking or it’s curtains. But a DM can adjust difficulty in about a million ways based on the party composition, and players can do off-the-wall things most games simply cannot account for no matter their budget. Like shouting “Give peace a chance!” loudly enough the orcs listen. Or seduce the evil dragon into changing its ways.

Like, the character I’m thinking about would really benefit from a rank of Spellcraft at level one. But given the way I envision the peeps who raised her, that wouldn’t make a lick of sense. Better for her to approach magic the way a wary animal does.

There’s even a place for min-maxed characters – but that isn’t in general campaigns. It’s in the smash and grab, door kicking in style dungeon raids with a minimum of character and a maximum of violence.

What fun is it running a game where the only way to engage the characters is to throw cannon fodder at them? What fun is it as a player to have to deal with that kind of character across the table? It was always dudes building these characters, btw, and they always played them as big dumb meatheads, and why in the fuck would that be fun for anyone else?

In my games, there were some big dumb meatheads in games I both played in and GM’d. It was impossible to engage those characters in the plot. I mean it. I did a superhero game once that…really got off the rails, but one of the things I did was try to tie the plot around the characters instead of present the plot as a problem to be solved. This was one of the reasons the game fell apart and we never finished it. It got too complex for me.

But one dude played a big dumb meathead, and I could not engage him in anything except ultra-violence. We had a powerful gravity manipulator who could be engaged by politics, a variant of Supergirl who believed in justice, an interesting take on Batman who believed in love, a homebrew alien who’d cut herself off from her people to warn us of their invasion, a member of an alien-hunting special forces unit who’d fallen in love with the alien, a mercenary who’d decided there were more important things than money and was probably the most morally pure heroine of them all, and a big dumb meathead with swords and gatling guns who’d traded the ability to speak for a few extra character points. There was also a guy who focused mostly on combat, but also had incisive plot-related wit, and his character kept accepting problems in combat to avoid harm to allies or innocents.

Guess who simply could not have a session written around them.

I also require the players to work together to ensure that each PC has a preexisting connection of some sort to at least one other PC, unless there’s a very good reason why not.

That…is a really good house rule. Much better than “You all meet in a bar”. I am cribbing this.

@Citizen Rat

I was planning to do ranged attacks. I hadn’t considered how to do the wizard thing. I’ve never played a spellcaster outside a paladin before.

Her people don’t believe in using iron, so I was thinking of having her use wooden arrows. And obviously a quarterstaff or club. Less powerful, and might have to be custom-made depending on what the DM might say.

@All

I remember one character I once played. The game only lasted about five sessions, but it was good. Another superhero theme. Her name was Anna Fyre – she was homeless, though not very realistically since I didn’t understand what that really meant at the time. She had two powers: She could make very minor changes to things happening near here, and she could influence people’s thoughts. There’s obvious potential for being overpowered here – break blood vessels in people’s brains, and they die. But…

In that game, heroes had to select a code of conduct, and breaking it would have that hero become an enemy character. She had “Thou Shalt Not Kill”.

She did things like make people trip by smoothing the soles of their shoes, force people into submission by triggering their pain receptors, track people with her psychic senses, pretend to be a scared civilian hiding in the corner, break locks no one had the key for, and trick people into thinking their weapons were broken when they were just fine. She wound up in a relationship with another hero, and I lost her when a villain was about to kill him, and she severed the line holding the villain 22 stories above the ground. Not being completely alone anymore wound up being more important to her than being a heroine, and I’m fine with that ending to her story.

She also spent a lot of time being beaten up by people she couldn’t effectively evade or respond to, since her power was strictly in her mind.