By David Futrelle
This is appalling, but unfortunately not even slightly surprising: An “involuntarily celibate” Redditor has openly admitted to raping an unconscious woman.
Naturally, he is completely unapologetic about it, declaring that “[r]eproduction is objectively the point of living. You can’t expect someone to let such an opportunity to slide.”
Knajjd11, a regular poster in the Incels subreddit, made the comments in a discussion in r/Drama, a subreddit devoted to, well, Reddit drama. He has since removed the comments in question but not before someone archived them here.
Here’s a screenshot of the relevant portion of the discussion. It starts with Knajjd11 declaring that, contrary to the insinuations of others in the thread, he has in fact “touched a woman.” And then it gets very ugly, very fast:
![knajjd11 -8 points 13 days ago I have touched one, funnily enough. I'm incel because I've never had someone want to have sex with me, but I have stuck my penis into a vagina. permalinkparent [–]knajjd11IsARapist 34 points 13 days ago I have stuck my penis into a vagina I think you mean rape, fuckface. permalinkparent [–]knajjd11 1 point 13 days ago I have already replied to these allegations in a previous comment. "I haven't overpowered anyone and it wasn't rape, either, unless you're the "omg i drank so much by my own volution but it was rape!!!" SJW types. permalinkparent [–]knajjd11IsARapist 37 points 13 days ago Also, there's a huge difference between stupid drunk sex and I-put-my-dick-inside-an-unconscious-broad sex. You are a rapist. An unpunished rapist. permalinkparent [–]knajjd11 1 point 13 days ago Have I forced someone to drink? Have I spiked someone's drink? No. Men are predators by nature and it's, quite frankly, mostly your fault if you get piss drunk and pass out. permalinkparent [–]bigblackkittie 38 points 13 days ago Men are predators by nature and it's, quite frankly, mostly your fault if you get piss drunk and pass out. what the fuck permalinkparent [–]knajjd11 1 point 13 days ago Reproduction is objectively the point of living. You can't expect someone to let such an opportunity to slide.](https://i0.wp.com/www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/knajjd11-comments-on-Catfishing-incel-gets-a-taste-of-his-own-medicine.png?ssl=1)
In a later comment (screenshotted here), he further excused his alleged actions on the grounds that the victim wasn’t a virgin, so it didn’t count.
A look at knajjd11’s user profile on Reddit reveals that he’s replaced most of his past comments with spam urging people to go to the Pizzagate forum on would-be Reddit replacement Voat. But his previous posts (which remain up at the moment) suggest that (if the pictures he’s posted are indeed of him) he’s a young man with a perfectly pleasant face (that he thinks is repulsive) and some thoroughly unpleasant opinions that he thinks are perfectly fine.
In one post he declares that incels “lose” when and if they ever end up having mutually pleasurable sex.
In another equally unpleasant post, he suggests that “having a ‘modern’ daughter” is essentially the equivalent of being cuckolded. In the post, he imagines, in sexually explicit detail, a young woman becoming “a worthless slag being pumped and dumped by Chads.” He ends with a series of questions:
[H]ow can so many of you normies be happy having a “western”, a “modern” daughter after so many years of raising and caring for her selflessly? How can you not get sick seeing her turn into a slut for public use? How can you sit still and say “this is fine” while she’s nothing more than a object for Chads to use and throw away like a ***rag? How can you accept her serial “monogamy”, watching her jump from cock to cock? It makes me sick to my stomach. Answers are welcomed.
While we don’t know for sure that knajjd11’s apparent confession of rape is for real and not just internet braggadocio, it’s not exactly hard to see how someone with beliefs like these — a volatile mix of misogyny, aggrieved sexual entitlement and bitter self-loathing — could rape a woman and think of it merely as his due, an “opportunity” to reproduce that he shouldn’t “let … slide.”
If the last few years have taught us anything about the internet it’s that we cannot separate online behavior from the real world. We can’t dismiss the vile opinions we so often see online as mere trolling, or somehow unimportant or unreal because they are posted online. Trolls more often than not end up believing the nonsense they post. And they often act upon these beliefs in the real world.
Incel ideology is horrendous enough to read online; it’s even more sickening to realize that some men are acting out these beliefs in real life. If Knajjd11’s confession is true, his incel beliefs have provided him with what he sees as a legitimate justification for real-world rape.
EDIT: Added an additional comment from Knajjd11 justifying his alleged rape.
H/T – Thanks to tracertong322 on Reddit who brought this to my attention as well as to sys34 on Reddit, who posted the screenshot that enabled me to find Knajjd11’s comments.
@PoM Bingo. It wouldn’t stop internet trolling, but it would certainly deal it a body blow. As far as internet activism goes, it’s been my experience that hitting advertisers has been the most effective. Not sure if 4chan uses advertising, but hitting them in their revenue sources will always work.
I’ve been thinking about the conversation about the difference in the internet subculture over the past 20 or so years. In retrospect, I doubt that even if I came of age in the social media era that I’d somehow gradually become a 4chan troll. But only because I’m an intellectually curious and technologically savvy enough to understand the context of what I was reading and the consequences of it. But not everybody is as smart or as educated as I, and if some dullard like Dylann Roof looks up some white supremacist meme and Google comes up saying “You seem to be interested in white supremacy. Would you like some more?”, he might find that siren song of answers that tell him that he’s not to blame for all his problems irresistible. Gamergate had this going as well: “It’s not you that has to change. It’s them.”
I’d love to believe there’s nothing wrong in the world, but I know a little too much about history and current events to just buy into memes that conveniently absolve white people of all blame. I can see an impressionable not-very-bright youngster falling for it, especially if they can ensconce themselves in that world.
Many Republicans are thoroughgoing neoliberal capitalists, but they don’t like the current US alliance with the EU because many EU countries are (even though they’re capitalist) very secular and socially liberal and some criminalize right-wing extremism. They’d prefer a neoliberal alliance with the UK, former crown colonies, and Russia. Russia supports that because they’d likely get a trade deal that’s more beneficial to them.
Putin is very smart, and he’s made sure that Russian propaganda targets both the far-left and the far-right. Any conservative alliance with Russia will be messy, though, because Russia tends to have a decent relationship with both Iran and Syria, which have been eyed by both Republican and Democrat hawks over the past 15 years or so. Russia also isn’t exactly making it a priority to ruthlessly suppress terrorism and non-moderate Islam.
The narrative in Russian media is that the US is the primary cause of terrorism, not traditional Islamic beliefs about automatically escaping Hell through martyrdom.
@Faerie Bard
I’m sorry that you had to deal with bigoted family. It’s always a punch in the gut when you realize that the people who are supposed to have your back no matter what might actually want you to not exist at all. I hope you find kindred spirits who will truly have your back, who can “family”.
Republicans suddenly love Russia because it’s their goal: an authoritarian government ruled by a living embodiment of Toxic Masculinity, friendly with oligarchs, allied with a special brand of Christianity, ruthless towards perceived enemies, controlling of the media, domineering towards perceived allies, hating of the Other, bloodthirsty, imperialistic and White.
@Citizen Rat: Thanks. Fortunately these particular relatives are ones I don’t have to deal with very often at all. To be honest, some of them I have never really felt entirely comfortable with, this was just one of those “kicker” moments. My parents (who still voted for Trump, and watch Faux News regularly, alas) are at least not as religiously zealous. When it comes down to it, my parents and siblings will have my back on most things, but there are certain things I just can’t talk about with them. I have my SO and several other close friends for that, at least.
But yeah, this happened a few years ago (pre-Trump) and I remember thinking, “You just want to strip people’s rights away, just like that? That… that isn’t AMERICAN!” and “Why Putin, of all people?” It’s like a curtain has lifted since then, and I look back and feel like I was so naive (and I probably still am about a lot of things).
These particular family members also the type to regularly say things like “I’m PRAYING for them every day!” in a condescending sort of way, like “Bless your heart!” can also be an insult in the South in certain contexts. It makes you feel like you are obviously incapable of making your own decisions, or that you are gravely disappointing them/going against god’s will by straying from the path they think you should be on, even when you are a grown ass adult.
Fortunately, I AM a grown ass adult, and I can decide when/if I see these particular relatives. I know there are people out there in much worse situations, who don’t really have a say. It sucks.
http://i.imgur.com/MzrLmrv.png
@SFHC
Of course, those beliefs were historically emphasized when they benefited the government in some way (like the Pope granting indulgences to crusaders), and they’re not the “primary cause” of terrorism.
My point is that Russia isn’t as in agreement with the American far right as Palin et. al. might like.
Ask conservative Christians about the historical theological justifications for persecuting heretics. They’ll give incredibly ignorant or dishonest answers.
History Nerd:
Don’t dig yourself in deeper.
Okay. I apologize for bringing it up, and I’m aware it’s bigoted propaganda based on extremely literal readings of texts by people with no background in Islamic studies.
Thinking about where some of these toxic attitudes come from, could some of this mental poison come from the societal idea that having sex is a major Rite of Passage for young people, akin to what the more tribal-based societies do for their teens? Like, ‘I was a little boy before tonight, but now that I’ve lost my virginity I’m now A Man, with all the upgraded status and powers that A Man should have.’
Or am I making no sense here again? :/
@Redsilkphoenix: Jetpack Vixen:
Oooh, I recognize that art style in your avatar. Looks like one of Richard Bartrop’s pictures of Pi from the Zaibatsu Tears comic.
@redsilk
1)loving the avi, fam <3
2)
Yep. Had to molt away similar shit myself. It’s better to have done so, obvs, but it ain’t especially easy to see the benefit from the near side if you’re not already looking for it
Perfect sense 🙂
Off Topic:
Anyone have any good morel mushroom recipes? I bought some because the season is usually short so I wasn’t sure if they’d still be there if I waited, but I’ve never had them or cooked with them before.
@Jenora Feuer, Axecalibur,
Yes, that is Richard Bartrop’s work. Someone here gave me his name a good while back when I was looking for art that could fit a ‘Jetpack Vixen’ description, and pictures of Pi came up (amongst other foxes he’s done). Finally got around to uploading a few. And got a few different ones in my Gravatar account in case I ever want to change the poses sometime.
A fast search shows me that Zaibatsu Tears seems to continue to be published, along with the comic I first found Pi in years ago (Furrlough). I need to go see what that fox has been up to lately….
@Redsilkphoenix:
Actually, I think it was me who mentioned Bartrop’s name as someone who would do a good job on ‘jetpack vixen’ artwork, as he’s done a fair bit of 50s pinup-style furry work before (in amongst more professional SF magazine and book cover work).
Granted, I’ve also commissioned him for some ‘cover art’ for a couple of my stories, and a friend of mine was acting as a sales agent for him for a while, so I’m not entirely unbiased.
Fellows family portrait
@Policy of Madness I already explained myself. I said that it makes sense to shut their platform down but that it’s not enough.
Never said I’d substitute one action with another. Just that both are needed. ?
@kupo try these ?
http://www.midwestliving.com/food/fruits-veggies/morel-mushroom-recipes/
Seriously guys, is there any way to report this kid to the police?
Although I don’t know how one could go about it. He’s posted his face, but it would seem not his name. But this is a bold confession of rape. He at least deserves a big scare, because he looks pretty young. People close to him deserve to know that he posted this.
Infuriating and sad and mostly infuriating. Grahhhh and his tagline “got lucky with alcohol.” I’m sure someone mentioned this already but Dishonourable Mention goes to r/incel commenters telling him he should just decide to be trans and then he’ll get laid more easily.
And if any other short male “incels” are reading this, by and large women don’t have a problem with you being short. We have a problem with you treating us like an animate welfare entitlement that has been deliberately keeping you from it out of spite. When I get rejected by men – which happens roughly 90% of the time I pursue one – or when men “refuse” to pursue me – which is 90% of the time, period – I don’t see it as a conspiracy against me. I see it as men having human agency and desires. And I don’t deal with my own self-hate by condemning and raping men. And being able to find someone willing to masturbate into your body isn’t a “privilege.” And hey, what a coincidence, that’s exactly knajjd’s plan, with or without consent, and deliberately without female pleasure.
Well, it doesn’t need any big rocket science to understand that these group of men are all just degenerates. I don’t care, but if you rape someone that is utters low level you can reach as a human. But I am not surprised, those incels are just the same trash you would find in mgtow groups and other radicalized trashy platforms.
If we would live in a ideal common-sense driven society, people would sort out these individual cases and confront them specifically and not collectively. But in a ignorant driven world, like ours, we have mgtows, mra’s and also feminists claiming all day to know a whole group of people better and if that is not enough, even knowing what is good and bad for them too, like feminists supposedly helping men even if they are not men themselves (man-spreading comes to mind) or mra’s chattering all day their cringy shit about women (naturally birth-machines uhhh vomit) without being women themselves.
I am not astonished that actually female feminists, who have no testicles, actually wanting men to sit down with closed legs that compresses and heats up that region. But female feminists, tho not being men, and used to their own bodies, which is ok, still think to know wisdom better then men themselves. My balls actually look like wrinkled shit from sitting like a dumb self-humbling idiot that adapted to the magically collective in hope that I don’t get called stupid names. (But’s it’s okay, as I don’t have the stupid need to get naked for others like those needy follower-lemmings or those needy-peety trash”cels”)
If I get cancer down there, at least I know who to blame, namely all those wannabe-“wanna knowwa betta then you about”s. Yeah you know my body better than myself, I got it.
And men should shut up about women, you’re not women, so you don’t know how women feel. I mean I’d never come to the crazy idea to talk shit about women and their bodies, yeah guess what, because I am not a woman and I got a brain. The same goes for poc, I am white so I don’t talk shit about others.
But men-spreading, being banned here in there. Wow. Yeah have fun getting cancer down there you mindless men.
So I was going to point out the cis-normative BS you have there early on but then you went full-on with blaming women for some imagined future testicular cancer because society expects you to not take up 3 seats on the subway, and I realized there’s no way in hell you’re here in good faith. Have fun being trounced, though. This should be fun.
I always try tomake sure I’m not taking up to much room on the bus. Guess that means I’m going to get testicular Cancer.
Yeah, that’s not how cancer works.
Also, it’s not comfortable for women to be squished into half a seat because some douchebag has to sit spreadeagled. Maybe I don’t want to get breast cancer from having to squish my arms into my breasts when trying to avoid nonconsensual cuddles with a manspreader. Ever think of that, champ? Do think we don’t get hot in the boob area? You’ve never heard of boob sweat?
Obviously I’m not going to get cancer from boob sweat, but by your logic, people with breasts deserve to take up just as much space as people with testicles.
And nice false equivalence. Expecting men to take up only one seat on public transportation is not in any way analogous to raping a woman.
If you are concerned that you might get testicular cancer from sitting with your legs hip-width apart, you are welcome to stand.