By David Futrelle
This is appalling, but unfortunately not even slightly surprising: An “involuntarily celibate” Redditor has openly admitted to raping an unconscious woman.
Naturally, he is completely unapologetic about it, declaring that “[r]eproduction is objectively the point of living. You can’t expect someone to let such an opportunity to slide.”
Knajjd11, a regular poster in the Incels subreddit, made the comments in a discussion in r/Drama, a subreddit devoted to, well, Reddit drama. He has since removed the comments in question but not before someone archived them here.
Here’s a screenshot of the relevant portion of the discussion. It starts with Knajjd11 declaring that, contrary to the insinuations of others in the thread, he has in fact “touched a woman.” And then it gets very ugly, very fast:
![knajjd11 -8 points 13 days ago I have touched one, funnily enough. I'm incel because I've never had someone want to have sex with me, but I have stuck my penis into a vagina. permalinkparent [–]knajjd11IsARapist 34 points 13 days ago I have stuck my penis into a vagina I think you mean rape, fuckface. permalinkparent [–]knajjd11 1 point 13 days ago I have already replied to these allegations in a previous comment. "I haven't overpowered anyone and it wasn't rape, either, unless you're the "omg i drank so much by my own volution but it was rape!!!" SJW types. permalinkparent [–]knajjd11IsARapist 37 points 13 days ago Also, there's a huge difference between stupid drunk sex and I-put-my-dick-inside-an-unconscious-broad sex. You are a rapist. An unpunished rapist. permalinkparent [–]knajjd11 1 point 13 days ago Have I forced someone to drink? Have I spiked someone's drink? No. Men are predators by nature and it's, quite frankly, mostly your fault if you get piss drunk and pass out. permalinkparent [–]bigblackkittie 38 points 13 days ago Men are predators by nature and it's, quite frankly, mostly your fault if you get piss drunk and pass out. what the fuck permalinkparent [–]knajjd11 1 point 13 days ago Reproduction is objectively the point of living. You can't expect someone to let such an opportunity to slide.](https://i0.wp.com/www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/knajjd11-comments-on-Catfishing-incel-gets-a-taste-of-his-own-medicine.png?ssl=1)
In a later comment (screenshotted here), he further excused his alleged actions on the grounds that the victim wasn’t a virgin, so it didn’t count.
A look at knajjd11’s user profile on Reddit reveals that he’s replaced most of his past comments with spam urging people to go to the Pizzagate forum on would-be Reddit replacement Voat. But his previous posts (which remain up at the moment) suggest that (if the pictures he’s posted are indeed of him) he’s a young man with a perfectly pleasant face (that he thinks is repulsive) and some thoroughly unpleasant opinions that he thinks are perfectly fine.
In one post he declares that incels “lose” when and if they ever end up having mutually pleasurable sex.
In another equally unpleasant post, he suggests that “having a ‘modern’ daughter” is essentially the equivalent of being cuckolded. In the post, he imagines, in sexually explicit detail, a young woman becoming “a worthless slag being pumped and dumped by Chads.” He ends with a series of questions:
[H]ow can so many of you normies be happy having a “western”, a “modern” daughter after so many years of raising and caring for her selflessly? How can you not get sick seeing her turn into a slut for public use? How can you sit still and say “this is fine” while she’s nothing more than a object for Chads to use and throw away like a ***rag? How can you accept her serial “monogamy”, watching her jump from cock to cock? It makes me sick to my stomach. Answers are welcomed.
While we don’t know for sure that knajjd11’s apparent confession of rape is for real and not just internet braggadocio, it’s not exactly hard to see how someone with beliefs like these — a volatile mix of misogyny, aggrieved sexual entitlement and bitter self-loathing — could rape a woman and think of it merely as his due, an “opportunity” to reproduce that he shouldn’t “let … slide.”
If the last few years have taught us anything about the internet it’s that we cannot separate online behavior from the real world. We can’t dismiss the vile opinions we so often see online as mere trolling, or somehow unimportant or unreal because they are posted online. Trolls more often than not end up believing the nonsense they post. And they often act upon these beliefs in the real world.
Incel ideology is horrendous enough to read online; it’s even more sickening to realize that some men are acting out these beliefs in real life. If Knajjd11’s confession is true, his incel beliefs have provided him with what he sees as a legitimate justification for real-world rape.
EDIT: Added an additional comment from Knajjd11 justifying his alleged rape.
H/T – Thanks to tracertong322 on Reddit who brought this to my attention as well as to sys34 on Reddit, who posted the screenshot that enabled me to find Knajjd11’s comments.
@Aulma
moot originally renamed /new/ (for “News,” general discussion of news and current events) to /pol/ (for “Politically Incorrect,” which was supposed to be a dumping ground for explicitly bigoted posts). It didn’t result people on /pol/ being isolated. Instead they became increasingly radical over time and got into IRL stuff.
About 10-12 years ago, Encyclopedia Dramatica and /b/ were safe havens for radical euthanasia advocates* who hated people with disabilities (both physical disabilities and mental illnesses). They were just not explicitly political IRL yet.
* I’m grouping them with people who support assisted suicide for terminally ill people. Different issue
I mean I’m not grouping them with responsible assisted suicide advocates. 🙂
Also:
Well, I can think of a few that would violate the comments policy here, so here is one that won’t: Buy yourself a chastity belt, dude, because if your commentary is anything to judge by, you would make the world’s worst parent. And you cannot be trusted even as a sperm donor, either, because you sure as hell can’t be arsed to find a willing recipient. But you just broke the irony meter I had riding on my bet that you were one of those who whine about “spermjacking”, dude, so you owe me a new one!
Oh yeah, if you just meant “4chan has lost its influence because you can be a Nazi anywhere now,” then yeah, you’re probably right. I guess it’s more of a “should have shut it down 10 years ago” kind of situation.
Valentine: Obviously I can’t be sure how much news you get about US politics and how much of it is true. What follows is my opinion — like most of the people at WHTM, I am fairly far out on the left (pro-socialist) wing of the US political spectrum.
The Republican Party has always tended to be the party of business and of the rich, but this has gotten much worse over the last 40 years. Their policies mainly benefit a minority, often a small minority of the US people. They have survived and often won by using racial antagonism and cultural issues (such as abortion and anti-homosexual beliefs) to persuade voters who do not benefit from their policies. They have had a very well-financed propaganda operation (Rush Limbaugh, Fox News, Breitbart, etc.) that is much stronger and more dishonest than Pravda in the old Soviet Russia. They have manged to convince a lot of people — mainly white Christians, particularly men — of the lies that liberals are demonic people who are trying to destroy the US, that black and brown people get much more favorable treatment than white people, that liberal atheists are trying to destroy Christians and US families by promoting abortion and homosexuality, and similar things. A lot of the people doing this have anti-Jewish beliefs as well.
What Obama faced was a group of people who constantly accused him of being a tyrant, a Kenyan Muslim terrorist, and many many similar things. But most of the world admired Obama, so a lot of this may not have made it into world news. On the night that Obama was sworn in as President, Republican leaders got together and decided that they would obstruct every single thing he tried to do. So on Guantanamo, they tried to convince people that he was going to bring dangerous terrorists from Gitmo to the US, and managed to pass a law forbidding him to do it. I did not agree with his use of drones — I’m a pacifist, and as a practical matter, I thought that the drones created several new terrorists for every one they killed. But I understood that he did not have the power to do just what he wanted to do, and if he had been unwilling to use the drones, he would almost certainly have been defeated in 2012 and replaced by someone who would have wanted to send troops to the countries where terrorists were grouping and many more innocent people would have been killed.
In the US we have a constitutional system (called checks and balances) which attempts to prevent any leader, especially the President, from having too much power. That means that any normal President (not Trump, of course) has to do things he doesn’t want to do and can’t do things he wants to do. Sometimes that’s a bad thing, but usually it’s a good thing.
Have the cops been notified? 6He needs to be behind razor wire and.away from the rest.of society!
I think that’s what WWTH and Dali meant – they aren’t more common, but they are more organised, so thousands of bigots who would’ve been stewing alone in their bedrooms ten years ago are marching in the streets, gunning down women and PoC and sharting up the Oval Office today. Might just be talking past eachother here.
On which note, I really hope the next non-evil president – assuming there is a next president, anyway – finds some loophole to prosecute 4Chan, Reddit and Twitter under. Fuck their freeze peach, it should’ve been revoked the moment the bodies started dropping. Murder is not speech, Goddamnit.
But I’d been thinking about Valentine’s comments for like five hours so I commented eventually. Thanks!
Something I forgot: He expects her not to notice she’s been raped? But the (evolutionary) goal is to get her pregnant? (Yeah, I know that he has decided she’s not a virgin and therefore it doesn’t matter, but I still find a contradiction there.)
There is so much more joy to raising a daughter than is accounted for in his “philosophy.” (And I don’t even have children.)
Oi fuck again?? ???? stupid quotes
Grumpy,
Thank you for your explaination. I understand you protest against vietnam war before and refuse draft? you inspire me with what stories and thoughts you write here.
For us news i read in twitter links there to articles and what people sharing in here. And i also read in russian language websites. So i cant say if all is true – specially twitter. But i observed mainly opinion in twitter anyway from some americans i follow and i seen fully positive opinions there.
This can be why i think what i said before. Some russain media sites often critisise obama, but other counties not.
This you would have to speak to my dad about – he might have disagree with you ??
Of course i understand that obama cant do all things that he wanted. But since i am not from USA and also i am away from home 7,8 sometimes 9 months of every year with bad internet connection i cant always see why obama behave like this. In every country they must play ‘the game’ but i think i just surprise that when obama also did this, that people were not angry. But i see now maybe in US they are. Now in russia, opposition leader Navalny is getting support. My thoughts is, if he want to win, he must to play ‘the game’, to even get chance. But if he play, he will definately not win- because rules there not desgin for someone like him. Obama adjust his behaviour to fit, and can be then he will not make all things that he wished he can make.
Was that clear? I think last part is almost garbage…???
But thank you again, Grumpy, i appreciate very much what you explained to me.
@Katz yeah that’s what I meant. Should’ve been shut down before it got to this point.
Girls tried to expose Austin Jones in 2015, but nobody took them seriously: https://www.buzzfeed.com/arianelange/teens-austin-jones-2015
Jeebus. What the hell is it with these emo-kid hairdos? They keep landing on the heads of douchebags!
Valentine: There are actually quite a few Republicans who think Putin is a better leader than Obama — including Sarah Palin, the Vice President candidate in 2012. I have made the (not very funny) joke several times that they chose Trump because Putin wasn’t eligible.
To americans Putin is simply the supervillain or somekind of rightwing hero. Really both are not correct. He really did good things for russia before. For economy. After 90s and Yeltsin it seem good to have someone who care for russia and who not embarassing. Yeltsin drunk russian president?? Fuck. And really now economy better than 90s. Only sanctions really hurt. When he decide to invade Ukraine putin destroy everything. Of course, parliment corrupt and full of lies. But alternative is navalny? He call kavkaz muslims ‘cockroaches’ and say they should be exterminate? At least putin wish russian muslims happy eid. (This year eid on my birthday!)
But problem here – because i want to talk about putin not like he super-evil, can only be that i support him? I do not. He fucked my country. He just like you say your republicans are- in love with power and money. But what else can be? And also he is just one person, how many others behind him? He was in kgb before, and you know how he do good? Because he is yesman – he says correct things, does exactly what he is told. Exactly how president needs to be. You think suddenly now he thinks by himself? He still receiving orders, still saying yes – always he will be like this.
This republicans understand nothing how it would be for them if putin is their leader. Seems like they dont even read news. He not even little bit like trump. He careful, he secret, he following plans. Trump running fast and he running out of time without any plan. If putin support him and if hacking really is true, it not because russian parliment and putin have respect for trump or see that they same like eachother – it simply because trump makes america weak. Trump is weak – he care so much what people think! You think putin cares? No one fear for fake news. They have anti corruption protests all over? – no they dont, no news. What you say is lies. Fuck fake news – trump can learn from russian gvt how to cover any truth.
I agree with Valentine, Putin’s russian propaganda machine is way better than Trump’s. From news reports in the US, Putin’s gotten more than a few russians thinking that invading Ukraine was a wonderful idea.
I get what you’re saying in that you’re worried people will take the “AWALT” approach, but Theresa May is a PM at a time where there are other notable female leaders in the world and more of a general social understanding that women CAN run a country just fine. Not the ideal amount of understanding, but more so than in the 80s when Thatcher did her thing and men went “this is why we shouldn’t have a woman PM” for years and years afterwards. In short: I’m not so sure most people will use May as a reason to not have a female PM.
She should not receive misogynistic abuse, for sure. She’s a terrible leader but her gender has nothing to do with it.
I hope. But then diane abott also recieving terrible abuse now? I could not read many information about this one. Seems like she recieve worse than May! And diane abbot is very good.
Diane Abbot is also black and God knows that the racists have been unleashed in the UK. Good point however, Diane has had it bad for…no real reason. And when women receive abuse for any reason or “reason” at all theyre faced with slurs regarding their gender. Men don’t receive that.
Exactly. Actually, why i remember ‘goblin woman’ about Theresa May is that first i thought it is funny, but then i share this with one friend of mine, and they explain me same like you said – no male politician would call ‘goblin man’. Some things not even so obvious when they are mysoginsit things. But if you try and think – this will happen if she was male? It became clear.
I do not understand, as a trans masculine non binary person, the reason why these cisgendered males have such low self esteem and want to fuck their lives up. Despite patriarchalist attitudes which have supressed women from the year dot, they seem to want to be oppressed, they want to believe in a gynocratic illuminati which secretly runs the world, so they can blame it for their own failures. Nobody owes them sex, nobody owes them anything at all. They should stop self pitying and going look at poor me, I’ve never got my dick wet. There are more important things in life! Why not invent something, create music or art, learn a craft, dance, write poetry, take up a sport?! Why do they have such a blinkered, narrow outlook on life, where nothing else exists but their cock? They love to dehumanise women on the one hand to make themselves feel superior, but on the other hand, use the Incel echo chamber to wallow in self hatred. I do not understand it. They seem to want to waste what it is to be a cis man, I would have loved to have been one, and I’m sure I wouldn’t have been an arsehole like them.
The racial abuse against Diane Abbott has been horrifying, and not just the work of juveniles. A back bench Tory MP has had a go as well.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/09/diane-abbott-tells-brexit-minister-f-attempts-kiss-commons-bar/
Women get double the abuse if they happen to be black. 🙁
Frank Schaefer has the Putin thing bang on. The Religious Right have made him into some kind of demigod.
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/frankschaeffer/2017/02/watch-putin-jesus-international-religious-right-white-american-evangelicals-fast-becoming-america-hating-complicit-traitors-democracy/
White supremacists know the power of disrupting communities. I’m not sure why you think something that has kept African Americans poor and disorganized for 150 years is suddenly going to lose effectiveness when applied to Nazis. When the objective is to damage a group’s ability to reinforce and empower members, breaking apart communities works. You don’t have to kill or exterminate the members. Just scattering them robs them of their support systems.
If 4chan shut down today, the entire group of channers isn’t going to migrate en masse to some other platform. Some will go here, some will go there. And they’ll get the message that they aren’t wanted in polite company. Tactics that have been used for evil in the past can be used for good in this situation, and they are hella effective, so it’s irresponsible to handwave them.
I don’t know how you do it, but if I have a water leak in my house, I shut off the water to the house before I try to fix the leak. YMMV
This. I have unfortunately seen this effect in person, within my own family. I was at a reunion, and several of my more distant relations (that I fortunately don’t see often), were discussing Russia for some reason. That suddenly switched to, “golly gee, I wish we could stand up to “the gays” here in ‘Murica, like that guy Putin does.” I felt like I was punched in the gut, and it made me even more glad that I have not come out to my family as bisexual. I feel like a coward for not saying anything, but I was so stunned I kept quiet and left early. (These family members are so deeply far-right-religious that saying something would not have done any good anyway, and I would probably have gotten a lecture I did not want.) Since then, I have come up with excuses not to go to the reunion. I just don’t feel comfortable with them anymore.