By David Futrelle
Pickup artist types tend to look on masturbation as a stumbling block in the way of true Red Pill greatness. If you’re not sexually frustrated pretty much all the time, you see, you’ll never have the “discipline” necessary to learn and try to use all the creepy sex-getting tactics taught in places like the Red Pill subreddit.
Naturally, Red Pillers get pretty inventive in coming up with reasons why masturbation is bad. But few have been quite so inventive as a devoted Red Pill Reddit no-Fapper called, ironically, faplordxd.
In a comment on the Red Pill subreddit today, he explains that
when you Fap to porn you’re essentially just cucking yourself because you’re jerking off to another guy fucking “your girl” so it makes you beta
Ingenious!
Happily. though I’m not sure faplordxd fully recognizes it, this logic can be extended to pretty much every situation in which you’re watching or reading about or hearing about someone doing something that you’re not doing.
If you’re watching the Superbowl, you’re Superbowl-Cucking yourself because YOU’RE NOT PLAYING IN THE SUPERBOWL.
When you’re reading about whoever invented the Post-it inventing the Post-it, you’re Post-it-Cucking yourself because YOU COULD BE INVENTING THE POST-IT!
When you notice your cat licking its own butt you are Cat-Butt-Cucking yourself because YOU COULD BE LICKING YOUR CAT’S BUTT!
Ok, that last example wasn’t such a good one.
But the point is simple: unless you want to be a cuck, you should either do EVERYTHING ALL OF THE TIME or maybe just staple your eyes and ears and mouth shut. That’s the ALPHA way.
@GussieJives:
Well, in many ways, Ford was pulling from Harris’ playbook at a smaller level: play the ‘ignored’ outlying districts against the core. Just in Ford’s case it was Etobicoke and Scarborough within Toronto rather than York and Peel regions. (And which required Ford’s followers to ignore that a good chunk of their current problems with getting noticed were actually Harris’ fault for the municipal amalgamation.)
Best way to tell the difference between the different Asians: Talk to them. Ask politely if you’re curious. Of course, this risks the Manospherian having to talk politely to women, so … yeah, won’t happen, they need flash cards.
@weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee
Speaking as an Asian Person ™, yeah…
Usually when people want to know what ethnic group(s) (Chinese, Cambodian, Cantonese, Laotian, Taiwanese, Japanese, Korean, Vietnamese, etc) a person belongs to, they just ask. Other times it just feels a bit weird that someone is trying to guess exactly which ethnicity I am just by looking at me. Like what do they want, an award or something? “Congrats on spotting which ethnic groups I belong to at a glace like you’re visually discerning different dog breeds.” It just feels awkward, I never see anyone try to guess if a random person on the street is french, german, turkish and/or irish or something.
People who harass or sexually assault women out of sexual frustration tend to have a general problem with criminal behavior. They have sexual desires, women or children happen to be available, so they just use whoever’s available without much concern for morality or empathy. They probably commit other crimes without concern for others.
For other people, the behavior is less about sexual frustration and more about cultural norms.
@WWTH
Yes indeed, I see that as pretty gross. So far my daughter has not had to deal with people trying to figure out what kind of Asian she is, but we live in a small town with a fair number of kids (girls and boys) adopted from China. College will start next fall and I know she will be facing such crap anywhere she goes pretty much. We’ve already had to deal with a couple of boys for whom her race is the prime attraction. Huge ick factor.
Forget it, Jimbtho, it’s Chinatown. I got a few people in the Laci Green thread yesterday to join me in speculating what might motivate someone to become a collaborator in their own oppression, but I think that if they’d known what I was about they would have scolded me too for attempting to humanize the enemy. Personally, I find that my empathy for manospherians, that sense of “there but for the grace of God go I”, makes me hate them more, not less. I remember being at the crossroads of that way of thinking as a teenager (why do I seem to be “having trouble with women”? Am I doing something wrong, or are they) and making the choice to believe my eyes and not my arrogant fantasies: I knew plenty of women, and they weren’t uniquely evil or perverse as far as I could tell. I knew that I didn’t have a right to someone else’s desire. It was not a particularly difficult decision, except insofar as it’s hard for an adolescent boy to accept that the world and everything in it doesn’t point toward him. So when I see men who clearly made the wrong choice at that crossroads, who chose to believe their own illusions about their centrality in the world, and to carry those illusions beyond childhood, where they might be forgivable and even somewhat endearing, I’m not moved to pity. I want to get inside their heads, to really see through their eyes, because I want to learn how to break them. They think that their nihilism will protect them from the likes of me, that they have spent so much time shitposting that they don’t have any more hard edges, any bones to grab onto and twist, and I aim to prove them wrong.
@runsinbackground
That movie quote is considered to be about the futility of fighting injustice in the world. Not about the futility of having folk here agree with bending over backwards to stretch and reach for some kind of sympathy or empathy for ones that preach and practice their hatred.
I’m super white so I don’t ever have to deal with that end of things, but I imagine that there’s a noticeable difference when someone’s asking “what’s your background?” vs “what’s your categorization?” I’ve had plenty of people ask where I was born and where my family comes from, but I’ve never gotten a “Ahah, I was right!” sort of response; it’s always part of a conversation to get to know me better, not some weird guessing game.
I am white, but actually I experience this. Specially, stevedores like to guess where I from. They usually say russia, actually, and even if I say ukraine, same to them.
But I think it little bit strange acutally guessing for what ‘kind of asian’ someone is, if you don’t know them, why you interested to know? If you know them…you know them, you already know, finish story.
@runsinbackground
Note the comments policy. It’s not okay to threaten someone, even if he or she is horrible, or to say something to effect that someone should “die in a fire.” I’d assume that extends to other forms of harm.
@Jenora Feuer, @Gussie Jives
I love this site. I came here initially pissed off at the whole Cosby thing and ended up discussing the background of Metro news vs 24 HRS and transit systems in different provinces. This place is fantastic.
@John
Not directed at you. And not specifically at Jimbtho, but his comment was the one in this thread that prompted my comment. There was another example within the last couple of days where someone else made a similar comment (I don’t recall who).
WWTH is right, and this isn’t the first time I’ve brought it up and it won’t be the last.
So for the people worried about manfeels right now, please explain to me why it’s always the guys we see empathy for. Why don’t people jump into the comments here to be empathetic towards JudgyBitch or the Honey Badgers?
I’m not sure how I’m supposed to thread the needle between “this blog is for mockery, not misplaced sympathy” and the comments policy. I don’t like these people (weev, any given MGTOW of the Day, Roosh, Heimbach, the whole rancid crew of them), and I want to understand them anyway. It’s a good idea to understand your enemies, and part of that understanding is acknowledging their basic humanity. This isn’t to let them off the hook, to excuse the inexcusable, but rather to make it so that you can use your theory of mind to work out ways to beat them. If you think of your enemies in terms of dehumanizing stereotypes you tend to underestimate them and the power they wield. I see RoK contributors making such stereotypical characterizations of “the Left” or “leftists”, painting them as Pajama Boys who will as a mere matter of course be crushed by the superior Masculine Virtue of the White Race, and I see them setting themselves up to be very surprised by actual encounters with leftists who are disinclined to put up with their shit. By the same token, I think the amount of comments posted here that amount to “I hate these guys, why are they like this? I guess we’ll never know” represent a failure of imagination and bloody-mindedness in this community, and I think that this failure puts us at a disadvantage vis a vis our enemies, who, it should be remembered, want to literally kill us or reduce us to sexual slavery. With respect to my metaphor regarding bones, that is concern-trolling of the first water. Are we not in favor of Nazi-punching around here? Should this post start with a TW for violence against Nazis? Didn’t this whole argument start because some newcomer was insufficiently mean to the Nazis? And anyway, what’s so bad about “breaking” an extremist agitator? Clearly, rational arguments do not work against extremism; indeed, extremist groups tend to develop their beliefs in such a way as to turn rational arguments back on themselves (the Manosphere canard about never asking a woman for advice, “ignore what they say, watch what they do”, is an example). If you’re looking for the perfect argument to convince a misogynist that women aren’t evil, you’ll be looking a long time. The only thing I can think of to do, besides doxxing and other terror tactics (which are obviously off the table), is to attempt to find ways to play on their insecurities, to confront them with their own basic weaknesses (weev is such a little banty rooster it’s almost too easy) and to otherwise discomfort them. And kupo, if you recall, I’m also very curious about how women like Laci Green justify palling around with men who have repeatedly stated their intention to rape her to death come the revolution. All of these scumbags’ motives need to be teased apart, so that we can find ways to throw them off stride.
@runsinbackground
“Don’t argue about the comments policy in the comments” is also in the comments policy. If you have an issue with it, email David.
I, for one, think it’s important to understand why some people do bad things so we can figure out how to stop others from going down the wrong path. When it comes to misogyny, I think the solution isn’t “try to satisfy men’s every whim,” but “teach them strategies for dealing with the world that don’t involve dominating or exploiting others.”
From one extreme of concern-trolling to another.
“We should empathise with them and be nicer”
“We should break them, totally approve of punching them, and be meaner”
No thank you to either.
Could someone explain why some people try to do the whole “Asian Taxonomy” thing? I’ve known this my whole life but I never really understood the reason why people do this alot more for Asian people than other groups.
@laserqueen
Ugh what creeps.
@runsinthebackground
Let’s not go into extremes. It’s really strange why you’d be so gungho about wanting us to say things that manosphere types would use as ammo to justify their horrible actions and beliefs. If you want to argue about the comments policy email to David about it.
Oogly,
My guess is that white people don’t do it to each other because they just see them as white individuals. So it doesn’t matter so much if someone is Irish or German or whatever. They see Africa as a monolith so need to do taxonomy on black people. Latin America is also a monolith so all Latin people are just Mexican. Asian people are still an other, but white people can still grasp that Japan and China are sepetate cultures. Hence the impulse to categorize.
@mrsobedmarsh
I hear you, I really do. But I can’t get on board with treating those following racist, sexist, homophobic, etc ideologues with kid gloves. It’s just not acceptable so let’s not coddle, let’s call them out on it. Respectfully, it wasn’t “teach them the skills to like black people” that ended segregation in the south, it was refusing to tolerate it anymore that did.
I most certainly emphasize with loneliness and social isolation. I’ve been there myself. Most of us have. But we can’t afford to accept hate as just an understandable consequence to it.
Thanks for listening (or rather reading).
Yes. I don’t want to get into a debate about what the comments policy does and doesn’t prohibit. Just be mindful that MRA’s and other Manosphere types read the comments here. Many of them are lurking around waiting for someone to say something extreme.
@ Hambeast,
The containers…
I become disturbed because I see so much waste. Garbage and recycling are fascinating topics and industry. Wait – the 329 year old seagull engineer –
He should go into garbage. Plenty of seagulls hanging around landfills! But of course he would be required to pass through actual civil engineering education first. Garbage, waste, recycling is quite complex, most people would be surprised.
I’m not directly involved, just interested in all environmental issues. I also have a friend who used to work for a large waste handling co., it’s fascinating stuff.
Wait, I remembered something else related –
@ Robert Walker Smith – I believe it was you who said you are looking to replace a washer and dryer? JMHO – avoid the front loading washers. The way these are constructed, the wash drum and related bearings are together in housing that cannot be taken apart. So if the bearings go, you have to buy the entire drum assembly – which is more $ than a new machine.
This is not a design flaw, it’s built in obsolescence.
There is so much waste…
🙁
And the creation of deliberate waste in the pursuit of profit.
Being economical, reusing, and making the most of things is my version of “Sticking it to the system.”
@Mindi
Segregation in the south never ended, just saying…
@runs
Oozing condescension and no paragraphs? Sounds like a fun read! Skip…
honestly? after a few redpill/mra/mgtow articles, stapling my eyes and ears shut sounds like a pretty sweet idea.
I don’t get what nazi-punching has to do with any of that. It’s a fine sport with roots that date further back than Captain America (though of course he set the greatest record of all time) and shouldn’t be mixed with thoughts of radical solutions best kept to one’s self.
Look, I get it, you’re tired of watching these guys stab us and walk. But taking the fight to them on the same grounds will lead nowhere, fast. Talking about it here even faster. It’s just not the place. You want to take actual action against them though, you can look for Antifa in your area, and learn viable tactics against those fucks. Or just, y’know, punch Richard Spencer, I don’t mind that.
@kupo
Alright, my bad. I haven’t been keeping up with the comments so well and wasn’t aware it was something going on right now. Aaand my environment has been… hostile, lately. I’ve kinda come to expect hostility coming from everywhere and it doesn’t help that I react rather nervously these days. Apologies for the hair trigger reaction.
I think that there will always be some percentage of the population who are unempathetic assholes. The issue is that our culture supports bigotry. Assholes have free reign to harm others as long as they target people they have some privilege over. I think that’s the real problem and trying to figure out the motives of individual assholes or attempting to solve their personal hang ups does little to combat oppression. It can even harm the cause because people can use sympathy for bigots as a tool to silence the anger of their targets.
I can’t speak for others here, but that’s why I get pissed when people treat manospherians as psychologically wounded people that need help rather than assholes who are causing harm to marginalized people. Many of them may well be wounded, but that’s for themselves and their therapists or doctors to deal with, not social justice movements and/or misogyny mockers.