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“When you Fap to porn you’re essentially just cucking yourself,” Red Piller explains

Ha ha what a pathetic cuck!

By David Futrelle

Pickup artist types tend to look on masturbation as a stumbling block in the way of true Red Pill greatness. If you’re not sexually frustrated pretty much all the time, you see, you’ll never have the “discipline” necessary to learn and try to use all the creepy sex-getting tactics taught in places like the Red Pill subreddit.

Naturally, Red Pillers get pretty inventive in coming up with reasons why masturbation is bad. But few have been quite so inventive as a devoted Red Pill Reddit no-Fapper called, ironically, faplordxd.

In a comment on the Red Pill subreddit today, he explains that

when you Fap to porn you’re essentially just cucking yourself because you’re jerking off to another guy fucking “your girl” so it makes you beta

Ingenious!

Happily. though I’m not sure faplordxd fully recognizes it, this logic can be extended to pretty much every situation in which you’re watching or reading about or hearing about someone doing something that you’re not doing.

If you’re watching the Superbowl, you’re Superbowl-Cucking yourself because YOU’RE NOT PLAYING IN THE SUPERBOWL.

When you’re reading about whoever invented the Post-it inventing the Post-it, you’re Post-it-Cucking yourself because YOU COULD BE INVENTING THE POST-IT!

When you notice your cat licking its own butt you are Cat-Butt-Cucking yourself because YOU COULD BE LICKING YOUR CAT’S BUTT!

Ok, that last example wasn’t such a good one.

But the point is simple: unless you want to be a cuck, you should either do EVERYTHING ALL OF THE TIME or maybe just staple your eyes and ears and mouth shut. That’s the ALPHA way.

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Jenora Feuer
Jenora Feuer
3 years ago

@GussieJives:
Well, in many ways, Ford was pulling from Harris’ playbook at a smaller level: play the ‘ignored’ outlying districts against the core. Just in Ford’s case it was Etobicoke and Scarborough within Toronto rather than York and Peel regions. (And which required Ford’s followers to ignore that a good chunk of their current problems with getting noticed were actually Harris’ fault for the municipal amalgamation.)

JS
JS
3 years ago

Best way to tell the difference between the different Asians: Talk to them. Ask politely if you’re curious. Of course, this risks the Manospherian having to talk politely to women, so … yeah, won’t happen, they need flash cards.

Ooglyboggles
Ooglyboggles
3 years ago

@weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee
Speaking as an Asian Person ™, yeah…
Usually when people want to know what ethnic group(s) (Chinese, Cambodian, Cantonese, Laotian, Taiwanese, Japanese, Korean, Vietnamese, etc) a person belongs to, they just ask. Other times it just feels a bit weird that someone is trying to guess exactly which ethnicity I am just by looking at me. Like what do they want, an award or something? “Congrats on spotting which ethnic groups I belong to at a glace like you’re visually discerning different dog breeds.” It just feels awkward, I never see anyone try to guess if a random person on the street is french, german, turkish and/or irish or something.

History Nerd
History Nerd
3 years ago

People who harass or sexually assault women out of sexual frustration tend to have a general problem with criminal behavior. They have sexual desires, women or children happen to be available, so they just use whoever’s available without much concern for morality or empathy. They probably commit other crimes without concern for others.

For other people, the behavior is less about sexual frustration and more about cultural norms.

Laserqueen
Laserqueen
3 years ago

@WWTH

Yes indeed, I see that as pretty gross. So far my daughter has not had to deal with people trying to figure out what kind of Asian she is, but we live in a small town with a fair number of kids (girls and boys) adopted from China. College will start next fall and I know she will be facing such crap anywhere she goes pretty much. We’ve already had to deal with a couple of boys for whom her race is the prime attraction. Huge ick factor.

runsinbackground
runsinbackground
3 years ago

Forget it, Jimbtho, it’s Chinatown. I got a few people in the Laci Green thread yesterday to join me in speculating what might motivate someone to become a collaborator in their own oppression, but I think that if they’d known what I was about they would have scolded me too for attempting to humanize the enemy. Personally, I find that my empathy for manospherians, that sense of “there but for the grace of God go I”, makes me hate them more, not less. I remember being at the crossroads of that way of thinking as a teenager (why do I seem to be “having trouble with women”? Am I doing something wrong, or are they) and making the choice to believe my eyes and not my arrogant fantasies: I knew plenty of women, and they weren’t uniquely evil or perverse as far as I could tell. I knew that I didn’t have a right to someone else’s desire. It was not a particularly difficult decision, except insofar as it’s hard for an adolescent boy to accept that the world and everything in it doesn’t point toward him. So when I see men who clearly made the wrong choice at that crossroads, who chose to believe their own illusions about their centrality in the world, and to carry those illusions beyond childhood, where they might be forgivable and even somewhat endearing, I’m not moved to pity. I want to get inside their heads, to really see through their eyes, because I want to learn how to break them. They think that their nihilism will protect them from the likes of me, that they have spent so much time shitposting that they don’t have any more hard edges, any bones to grab onto and twist, and I aim to prove them wrong.

Laserqueen
Laserqueen
3 years ago

@runsinbackground

That movie quote is considered to be about the futility of fighting injustice in the world. Not about the futility of having folk here agree with bending over backwards to stretch and reach for some kind of sympathy or empathy for ones that preach and practice their hatred.

dlouwe
dlouwe
3 years ago

Other times it just feels a bit weird that someone is trying to guess exactly which ethnicity I am just by looking at me.

I’m super white so I don’t ever have to deal with that end of things, but I imagine that there’s a noticeable difference when someone’s asking “what’s your background?” vs “what’s your categorization?” I’ve had plenty of people ask where I was born and where my family comes from, but I’ve never gotten a “Ahah, I was right!” sort of response; it’s always part of a conversation to get to know me better, not some weird guessing game.

Valentine
Valentine
3 years ago

but I’ve never gotten a “Ahah, I was right!” sort of response

I am white, but actually I experience this. Specially, stevedores like to guess where I from. They usually say russia, actually, and even if I say ukraine, same to them.

But I think it little bit strange acutally guessing for what ‘kind of asian’ someone is, if you don’t know them, why you interested to know? If you know them…you know them, you already know, finish story.

History Nerd
History Nerd
3 years ago

@runsinbackground

Note the comments policy. It’s not okay to threaten someone, even if he or she is horrible, or to say something to effect that someone should “die in a fire.” I’d assume that extends to other forms of harm.

Gr8Dane
Gr8Dane
3 years ago

@Jenora Feuer, @Gussie Jives

I love this site. I came here initially pissed off at the whole Cosby thing and ended up discussing the background of Metro news vs 24 HRS and transit systems in different provinces. This place is fantastic.

kupo
kupo
3 years ago

@John

I’m not sure whether or not that was meant to include me, but if so and just in case I’ma take exception first off because “dude”, and also because I do not under any circumstance “feel sorry” for them.

Not directed at you. And not specifically at Jimbtho, but his comment was the one in this thread that prompted my comment. There was another example within the last couple of days where someone else made a similar comment (I don’t recall who).

WWTH is right, and this isn’t the first time I’ve brought it up and it won’t be the last.

So for the people worried about manfeels right now, please explain to me why it’s always the guys we see empathy for. Why don’t people jump into the comments here to be empathetic towards JudgyBitch or the Honey Badgers?

runsinbackground
runsinbackground
3 years ago

I’m not sure how I’m supposed to thread the needle between “this blog is for mockery, not misplaced sympathy” and the comments policy. I don’t like these people (weev, any given MGTOW of the Day, Roosh, Heimbach, the whole rancid crew of them), and I want to understand them anyway. It’s a good idea to understand your enemies, and part of that understanding is acknowledging their basic humanity. This isn’t to let them off the hook, to excuse the inexcusable, but rather to make it so that you can use your theory of mind to work out ways to beat them. If you think of your enemies in terms of dehumanizing stereotypes you tend to underestimate them and the power they wield. I see RoK contributors making such stereotypical characterizations of “the Left” or “leftists”, painting them as Pajama Boys who will as a mere matter of course be crushed by the superior Masculine Virtue of the White Race, and I see them setting themselves up to be very surprised by actual encounters with leftists who are disinclined to put up with their shit. By the same token, I think the amount of comments posted here that amount to “I hate these guys, why are they like this? I guess we’ll never know” represent a failure of imagination and bloody-mindedness in this community, and I think that this failure puts us at a disadvantage vis a vis our enemies, who, it should be remembered, want to literally kill us or reduce us to sexual slavery. With respect to my metaphor regarding bones, that is concern-trolling of the first water. Are we not in favor of Nazi-punching around here? Should this post start with a TW for violence against Nazis? Didn’t this whole argument start because some newcomer was insufficiently mean to the Nazis? And anyway, what’s so bad about “breaking” an extremist agitator? Clearly, rational arguments do not work against extremism; indeed, extremist groups tend to develop their beliefs in such a way as to turn rational arguments back on themselves (the Manosphere canard about never asking a woman for advice, “ignore what they say, watch what they do”, is an example). If you’re looking for the perfect argument to convince a misogynist that women aren’t evil, you’ll be looking a long time. The only thing I can think of to do, besides doxxing and other terror tactics (which are obviously off the table), is to attempt to find ways to play on their insecurities, to confront them with their own basic weaknesses (weev is such a little banty rooster it’s almost too easy) and to otherwise discomfort them. And kupo, if you recall, I’m also very curious about how women like Laci Green justify palling around with men who have repeatedly stated their intention to rape her to death come the revolution. All of these scumbags’ motives need to be teased apart, so that we can find ways to throw them off stride.

dlouwe
dlouwe
3 years ago

@runsinbackground

“Don’t argue about the comments policy in the comments” is also in the comments policy. If you have an issue with it, email David.

MrsObedMarsh
MrsObedMarsh
3 years ago

I, for one, think it’s important to understand why some people do bad things so we can figure out how to stop others from going down the wrong path. When it comes to misogyny, I think the solution isn’t “try to satisfy men’s every whim,” but “teach them strategies for dealing with the world that don’t involve dominating or exploiting others.”

JS
JS
3 years ago

From one extreme of concern-trolling to another.
“We should empathise with them and be nicer”
“We should break them, totally approve of punching them, and be meaner”

No thank you to either.

Ooglyboggles
Ooglyboggles
3 years ago

Could someone explain why some people try to do the whole “Asian Taxonomy” thing? I’ve known this my whole life but I never really understood the reason why people do this alot more for Asian people than other groups.

@laserqueen
Ugh what creeps.

@runsinthebackground
Let’s not go into extremes. It’s really strange why you’d be so gungho about wanting us to say things that manosphere types would use as ammo to justify their horrible actions and beliefs. If you want to argue about the comments policy email to David about it.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

Oogly,

My guess is that white people don’t do it to each other because they just see them as white individuals. So it doesn’t matter so much if someone is Irish or German or whatever. They see Africa as a monolith so need to do taxonomy on black people. Latin America is also a monolith so all Latin people are just Mexican. Asian people are still an other, but white people can still grasp that Japan and China are sepetate cultures. Hence the impulse to categorize.

Mindi
Mindi
3 years ago
Reply to  MrsObedMarsh

@mrsobedmarsh

I hear you, I really do. But I can’t get on board with treating those following racist, sexist, homophobic, etc ideologues with kid gloves. It’s just not acceptable so let’s not coddle, let’s call them out on it. Respectfully, it wasn’t “teach them the skills to like black people” that ended segregation in the south, it was refusing to tolerate it anymore that did.

I most certainly emphasize with loneliness and social isolation. I’ve been there myself. Most of us have. But we can’t afford to accept hate as just an understandable consequence to it.

Thanks for listening (or rather reading).

History Nerd
History Nerd
3 years ago

Yes. I don’t want to get into a debate about what the comments policy does and doesn’t prohibit. Just be mindful that MRA’s and other Manosphere types read the comments here. Many of them are lurking around waiting for someone to say something extreme.

Z&T
Z&T
3 years ago

@ Hambeast,

The containers…
I become disturbed because I see so much waste. Garbage and recycling are fascinating topics and industry. Wait – the 329 year old seagull engineer –

He should go into garbage. Plenty of seagulls hanging around landfills! But of course he would be required to pass through actual civil engineering education first. Garbage, waste, recycling is quite complex, most people would be surprised.

I’m not directly involved, just interested in all environmental issues. I also have a friend who used to work for a large waste handling co., it’s fascinating stuff.

Wait, I remembered something else related –

@ Robert Walker Smith – I believe it was you who said you are looking to replace a washer and dryer? JMHO – avoid the front loading washers. The way these are constructed, the wash drum and related bearings are together in housing that cannot be taken apart. So if the bearings go, you have to buy the entire drum assembly – which is more $ than a new machine.

This is not a design flaw, it’s built in obsolescence.

There is so much waste…
🙁

And the creation of deliberate waste in the pursuit of profit.

Being economical, reusing, and making the most of things is my version of “Sticking it to the system.”

Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
3 years ago

@Mindi

Respectfully, it wasn’t “teach them the skills to like black people” that ended segregation in the south, it was refusing to tolerate it anymore that did

Segregation in the south never ended, just saying…

@runs
Oozing condescension and no paragraphs? Sounds like a fun read! Skip…

cat
cat
3 years ago

honestly? after a few redpill/mra/mgtow articles, stapling my eyes and ears shut sounds like a pretty sweet idea.

Sinkable John : Pansy Ass Pinko, Regicidal Beast-of-Burden
Sinkable John : Pansy Ass Pinko, Regicidal Beast-of-Burden
3 years ago

I don’t get what nazi-punching has to do with any of that. It’s a fine sport with roots that date further back than Captain America (though of course he set the greatest record of all time) and shouldn’t be mixed with thoughts of radical solutions best kept to one’s self.

Look, I get it, you’re tired of watching these guys stab us and walk. But taking the fight to them on the same grounds will lead nowhere, fast. Talking about it here even faster. It’s just not the place. You want to take actual action against them though, you can look for Antifa in your area, and learn viable tactics against those fucks. Or just, y’know, punch Richard Spencer, I don’t mind that.

@kupo

Alright, my bad. I haven’t been keeping up with the comments so well and wasn’t aware it was something going on right now. Aaand my environment has been… hostile, lately. I’ve kinda come to expect hostility coming from everywhere and it doesn’t help that I react rather nervously these days. Apologies for the hair trigger reaction.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

I think that there will always be some percentage of the population who are unempathetic assholes. The issue is that our culture supports bigotry. Assholes have free reign to harm others as long as they target people they have some privilege over. I think that’s the real problem and trying to figure out the motives of individual assholes or attempting to solve their personal hang ups does little to combat oppression. It can even harm the cause because people can use sympathy for bigots as a tool to silence the anger of their targets.

I can’t speak for others here, but that’s why I get pissed when people treat manospherians as psychologically wounded people that need help rather than assholes who are causing harm to marginalized people. Many of them may well be wounded, but that’s for themselves and their therapists or doctors to deal with, not social justice movements and/or misogyny mockers.

Katie's Elderly Minion
Katie's Elderly Minion
3 years ago

I have to admit, I am interested in people’s accents — including US ones. If the person seems open and friendly, I will ask (I love it when I can find a Missourian with a hint of Wisconsin, say). But I have been interested in language and the way it is expressed since I was a very young minion. Maybe it’s because I speak TV accented English and can’t do other accents myself.

Mindi
Mindi
3 years ago

@axecalibur
True that. But you get what I’m saying.

kupo
kupo
3 years ago

@John
No harm done. You know I would always give you the benefit of the doubt, but being anemic and in pain right now I can completely understand nerves being on edge. TGIF. Time to enjoy some wine. 🙂

@runsinbackground

By the same token, I think the amount of comments posted here that amount to “I hate these guys, why are they like this? I guess we’ll never know” represent a failure of imagination and bloody-mindedness in this community

I’ve been reading this blog for 3 years, commenting for about 2, and have never seen anyone express this kind of sentiment, even taking into consideration you’re being hyperbolic. You clearly don’t want to understand where we’re coming from on this by how you’re tilting at this windmill.

Look, we know what causes it. A combination of toxic masculinity and patriarchal values in our society that have driven these individuals to extremes. There are additional issues, like consumer culture, confirmation bias, and ease of finding like-minded individuals who reinforce the toxicity. Feminism is trying to fix this by addressing the toxic masculinity and patriarchal values. We’re trying to fix it by making it so these men don’t have to always be the breadwinner, so they don’t always have to swallow their feelings, so they don’t have to be absent from parenting, so they can be equal partners and define relationships in a way that suits them as individuals rather than being forced into a specific role. We do a lot for men. And women, too, of course!

But this is not the place where we do that. We have a ton of other places where we work on that. This is where we unwind, support each other, trounce on trolls, and cry and laugh at the absurdity of this world together. If you want to work on fixing things, maybe try looking to Everyday Feminism?

Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
3 years ago

@Mindi
If you could be so kind as to eschew the direct reply function on this site, I’d appreciate it. It’s been known to do some weird stuff to the comments. If possible, posting from the reply box at the bottom of the page is the best way to comment. Thanks 🙂

True that. But you get what I’m saying

I do get what you’re saying, and you’re absolutely correct. You can’t placate or reason with bigots and oppressors. The correct course of action is to marginalize them as they’ve marginalized others. What’s that quote

If a white man wants to lynch me, it’s his problem. If he’s got the power to lynch me, it’s my problem. Racism isn’t about attitude but power

Most men hate women to some, even minor, degree. It’s when they’re given a platform, a sympathetic ear, and/or a permissive culture that bad things happen. And I’m not prepared to give em any of those things…

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
3 years ago

I can’t speak for others here, but that’s why I get pissed when people treat manospherians as psychologically wounded people that need help rather than assholes who are causing harm to marginalized people. Many of them may well be wounded, but that’s for themselves and their therapists or doctors to deal with, not social justice movements and/or misogyny mockers.

For me, there’s that, and there is also the way that this focus treats Misogynist Pain as if it is some kind of unique suffering that can’t be understood without deep empathy and long discussion. This is just not true; the pain these guys are suffering – if any – is normal human pain that other people suffer just as acutely and with the same frequency. Any average human above the age of about 25 is fully equipped to understand Misogynist Pain, because with very few exceptions we’ve all been there at one time or another.

The fallacy is in assuming that because a misogynist is both A. a misogynist and B. suffering some kind of pain, it’s therefore reasonable to assume that B caused A in some way. But we can see that everyone at some point suffers pain in their life and misogyny does not result from that in most cases. Understanding misogynist pain doesn’t help to understand the misogyny, because the misogyny didn’t grow out of the pain. Misogynist pain is ordinary human pain. There’s nothing mysterious to it.

And, tbh? Nobody is saying that it’s not allowed for you (for any given value of “you”) to try to empathize with and understand misogynists. Just that it’s not reasonable to expect the victims of misogyny to help you with that. Maybe don’t try to drag people into thinking about misogyny with you, because those people already have to think about it a lot and might want a break every now and then.

Francesca Torpedo, Femoid Special Forces Major
Francesca Torpedo, Femoid Special Forces Major
3 years ago

Today I saw a mannequin that was doing a Hitler Salute at Walmart.

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kupo
kupo
3 years ago

There’s also another issue I meant to bring up but forgot in my previous post: knowing the reason why they do these things doesn’t lessen the impact it has on us, its victims.

@Fran
I hate hate hate that Lord Dampnut has made people so bold in their displays of hatred lately. 🙁

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

I’ll illustrate and expand on the point in my last post and apologies if it’s bloviating.

It’s very common for people to express resent towards and dislike of wealthy business executives. Most people would probably say no if polled on how whether or not they like the CEOs of big corporations. Even a lot of conservatives understand that they screw us over. They just have ridiculous notions about how to fix it.

Yet, we don’t see massive internet hate movements against them. Wealthy businessmen are not besieged by trolls for daring to express an opinion in public. They don’t have to go into hiding because the wrath of the chans and Reddit have fallen on them. There aren’t theories about how they secretly enjoy rape or abuse.

Why don’t troubled young men who are hurting oh so much form anti-CEO hate movements? Because they aren’t easy targets. It’s not just that they can pay for bodyguards and the top lawyers and can afford to live in exclusive gated communities. Our capitalist culture completely supports them and by extension their right to live unmolested. Their humanity is never questioned. You hurt a wealthy businessman, few will support you they way they support you if you rape a drunk woman, shoot a black teenager armed with nothing but Skittles or beat a trans woman for expressing her gender in your presence.

If joining hate movements was all about working out psychological anguish in unhealthy ways, I’d expect their to be as much hate for say, cross country skiers or people with outie belly buttons as there is against marginalized demographics.

People who join the manosphere are assholes who target women because it’s safe to target us. You don’t have to resist your desire to harm people if you pick a socially acceptable target. If our culture didn’t tolerate bigotry, assholes would still exist, but they’d have to keep themselves in check. I’m not interested in turning shitty people into good people because I think it’s futile. I’m interested in reigning shitty people in so that they cause less harm.

Ooglyboggles
Ooglyboggles
3 years ago

@Francesca Torpedo, Femoid Special Forces Major
The Doll behind the nazi mannequin looks so tired of this shit.

Francesca Torpedo, Femoid Special Forces Major
Francesca Torpedo, Femoid Special Forces Major
3 years ago

@Kupo

Right? As soon as I saw it I decided to take a picture and show you guys.

I’m gonna start doing a small journalism project. I will document shit like this and post it on places like here, maybe get a standalone site for it. Just documenting the rise of fascist bullshit in the USA since 2016.

It offends me on a personal level, too, because art is supposed to be pure and a force of good, yet these fuckwads used a posing mannequin for their fascist bulllshit. I bet the dipshit that touched it probably never actually drew anything other than a swastika in his life.

I suppose that’s too much to ask, however. Fascist art has been a thing for a while – Leni Riefenstahl’s stupid movie about Nazi Germany comes to mind, here.

I was buying crayons and a sketchpad, which is how I came upon this.

@Everyone, re: Fate Stay/Night

The thing you have to remember about FSN is that it asks the important questions, like “What if King Arthur and Emperor Nero were actually cute blonde girls?” and that’s one of the reasons I like it a lot.

I eagerly await Sir Alan’s input about this. I don’t think he knows that the Japanese portrayed Arthur, King of the Britons as a cute blonde girl.

@Oogly-senpai

The thing that makes it even better is the doll is a small white girl. She is not amused by all this white nationalist bullshit, which neatly encapsulates how isolated these fashy people are from the real world. It really is splendid.

mywall
mywall
3 years ago

It seems a lot of the solutions to MRAs existing assume that MRAs will continue to exist. Might it not be productive to eliminate this assumption, both in theory and in practice?

kupo
kupo
3 years ago

The thing you have to remember about FSN is that it asks the important questions, like “What if King Arthur and Emperor Nero were actually cute blonde girls?” and that’s one of the reasons I like it a lot.

I love that about it, too! Plus Saber wore armor that covered her skin! Look at this, everyone!
http://eskipaper.com/images/saber-fate-stay-night-1.jpg

Edit: @mywall
How do you mean?

Francesca Torpedo, Femoid Special Forces Major
Francesca Torpedo, Femoid Special Forces Major
3 years ago

@Kupo

She was the lucky one.

The other Saber in Fate: Extra – who is Emperor Nero – for some reason wore a ballgown instead of armor.
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Her outfit is supposed to be reminiscent of a Roman Centurion’s armor, but I don’t recall the Centurions having their legs and chests that bare…

ETA:

Also, Rider (the Gorgon Medusa) wore an Aerobic Class Trainer’s outfit for some reason. One would think she might be wearing a chiton, a peplos, or something.
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Francesca Torpedo, Femoid Special Forces Major
Francesca Torpedo, Femoid Special Forces Major
3 years ago

Edit time ran out:

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Ooglyboggles
Ooglyboggles
3 years ago
Francesca Torpedo, Femoid Special Forces Major
Francesca Torpedo, Femoid Special Forces Major
3 years ago

Another thing I liked about FSN was how it portrayed Medusa as the perpetually harassed older sister of the other two Gorgons, who were troublemaking little-sister types who perpetually got underfoot and generally made her life miserable.

The Greek myths don’t really talk about what the Gorgon sisters did when they weren’t killing people, and this was quite a clever insight on how they behaved when they were alone.

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mywall
mywall
3 years ago

@Kupo
I’m thinking that sexism, homophobia, transphobia etc exist because society permits the existence of people who choose to do that bullshit. Perhaps things could be made better by not doing that.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
3 years ago

Our capitalist culture completely supports them

Your post (which makes many excellent points, but I’ll just concentrate on this one) really got me thinking. Back in the 70s there were groups which kidnapped and killed businessmen. (I wouldn’t necessarily call them hate groups, although they could be anti-Semitism adjacent). Their actions were by no means universally disapproved of. It could at times seem like revolution was just around the corner.

But like you say, that just doesn’t happen now. You might get things like Occupy and maybe a few hackers disrupting sites and databases. But it does seem like neoliberalism is the mainstream now. Like here even lefty parties have moved to accept the EU (essentially a free-trade pro privatisation and big business organisation). It’s hard to remember that Jeremy Corbyn spent 30 years as a Bennite. I wonder why that is? Hopefully Dalillama or one of our other experts on economic history can chip in.

Sorry for the diversion, but (as is often the case round here) it just got me thinking.

As to the main issue. There’s no point trying to empathise with the MRA lot. They’re beyond redemption. This site especially is no place to appeal for sympathy or even empathy for them (except maybe for intelligence gathering purposes). It’s like popping down your local synagogue to ask ‘what can we do to reach out to Nazis?’

But even if you went to one of their own spaces to offer sympathy the only response would be “show us your tits or gtfo” or “fuck off normie”.

MRAs aren’t worth understanding; expect as maybe an assessment like the SPLC do.

PeeVee the (Timber-Rattling Booger Slut, But Noice) Sarcastic
PeeVee the (Timber-Rattling Booger Slut, But Noice) Sarcastic
3 years ago

Fran,

What kind of weird-ass toy doll is that, anyhow? I’ve never seen anything like that.

Mish of the Catlady Ascendancy
Mish of the Catlady Ascendancy
3 years ago

@PeeVee

It’s not a doll, technically; it’s for drawing human anatomy. You can arrange the limbs any way you like and use it as a model. We had one that my son drew all over; I think it ended up looking kind of punk 🙂

@mywall,

What are you getting at in those two comments?

Mish of the Catlady Ascendancy
Mish of the Catlady Ascendancy
3 years ago

Re all the Fate series (even the stupid annoying one where Shiro exclaims “People die when they get killed!!!”) – Saber for the win, every time. She’s the best <3

Also, has anyone else noticed that Caster from Fate/Zero looks exactly like Lord Monckton?

http://i.imgur.com/b3g9yyR.jpg

History Nerd
History Nerd
3 years ago

The answer to “Why are people bigoted?” is usually “Because they can get away with it.” Harsher punishments tend to have a positive impact on offense rates for bigots and abusers because people realize they can’t get away with harming socially oppressed people. Bigots tend to be self-deluded, so they’re unlikely to get help from something like therapy because they’re unwilling to admit that their attitudes are wrong (or they minimize the degree to which their attitudes are problematic and come up with excuses).

On the other hand, if you look at people who harm others because they have severe self-regulation issues, harsher punishments don’t have much of an impact on them. They’re much better candidates for something like anger management or various types of cognitive/behavioral therapy.

Iseult The Idle
Iseult The Idle
3 years ago

Off-topic but we’ve already ranged pretty far afield: before the Missouri Senate, and expected to pass, is a bill that would/will permit prospective employers and landlords to ask a woman whether she A) has ever had an abortion or B) uses birth control (I assume IUD or the pill, as those are considered abortifaciants). If they don’t like the answer, they can legally decline to hire her or rent to her.

If it passes, the governor will sign it with great glee.

This is just… I never thought. In this day and age.

This is not right.

So, you know what, I don’t care if misogynists feel misunderstood. Fuck ’em with their own dicks.

Gods, I’m tired.

PeeVee the (Timber-Rattling Booger Slut, But Noice) Sarcastic
PeeVee the (Timber-Rattling Booger Slut, But Noice) Sarcastic
3 years ago

@Mish,

Ah! Many thanks! I have literally never seen a figure like that before.

Sinkable John : Pansy Ass Pinko, Regicidal Beast-of-Burden
Sinkable John : Pansy Ass Pinko, Regicidal Beast-of-Burden
3 years ago

The mannequin doesn’t look amused either. I understand, I’d be pissed too if I had no muscles to move with, but then shmuck with no brain to think with just came and forced me into that salute.

Stay strong, wooden pal.

@mywall

So you mean basically doing what feminism’s been doing all along ?