By David Futrelle
White supremacist blogger Matt Forney certainly picked a dramatic way to announce he would no longer be affiliating with the alt-right. In a Facebook posting several days ago, which he subsequently deleted, Forney declared that the internet-enabled fascist movement had become “a coven for homosexual pedophiles.”
Repeating accusations from a podcast that he said had been proven “100 percent true,” Forney charged that self-declared “fashy faggots” associated with the website The Right Stuff were
using … pool parties (IRL meetups) to groom teenage boys into sleeping with them, which [one alt-rightist named] Ghoul did to a 17-year old … at the Chicago pool party. Oh, and Ghoul had been grooming this poor kid since he was 15.
Forney said that others associated with The Right Stuff “knew what Ghoul was doing but didn’t say or do anything.”
Meanwhile, Lucian B. Wintrich of the far-right Gateway Pundit blog has been using Twitter to publicly question alt-right celebrity Richard Spencer about his alleged “degeneracy” — seemingly basing his “reporting” on DMs from second-hand anonymous sources.
.@RichardBSpencer so tell me about your degeneracy – I'm v curious…. pic.twitter.com/XqU7dq5vz6
— Lucian B. Wintrich (@lucianwintrich) June 17, 2017
.@RichardBSpencer we're writing a story – comment? pic.twitter.com/uJIdl7ho6g
— Lucian B. Wintrich (@lucianwintrich) June 17, 2017
In other tweets Wintrich gives up the pretense that he is practicing journalism entirely:
"Let's save the white race." — Richard B Spencer pic.twitter.com/FXz2a7OrNw
— Lucian B. Wintrich (@lucianwintrich) June 18, 2017
It’s worth pointing out that the “evidence” here is vague and second-hand, and that even if these charges are true it’s not clear that the accused have broken any laws. We don’t know the ages of the “younger men” referred to by Wintrich’s source. As for the “pool party” referred to by Forney, the age of consent in Illinois is 17, so Ghoul’s alleged sexual encounter would have been legal — if skeezy as hell.
It’s clear that both Wintrich and Forney expect others on the far-right to be at least as outraged by the idea that prominent alt-rightists have been having gay sex as by the possibility that they have committed statutory rape. In his deleted Facebook post, Forney repeatedly refers to allegedly gay alt-righists as “sodomites” and “homos,” and indignantly complains that
the people who freaked out about me living in the Phillipines and sleeping with non-white women were aiding and abetting sodomites who groomed teenage boys into sex. They’re worse than the left. …
If the alt-right is unwilling to expose, denounce, and cast out the homosexuals within its midst, then I am an enemy of the alt-right and I will work from this day forward to destroy it.
Forney and Wintrich’s accusations have been met with a good deal of skepticism amongst alt-rightists, most of whom seem far more concerned by other, more public, signs that their movement in on the verge of a virtual civil war.
Spencer, for his part, has devoted much of his time in recent days to attacking “alt-lite” troll Jack Posobiec and Rebel Media’s Laura Loomer for their instantly infamous disruption of a performance of Shakespeare’s Julius Caesar.
The first time this rube attends a play, he tries to shut it down. https://t.co/gO7OTmDsGK
— Richard Spencer (@RichardBSpencer) June 17, 2017
I absolutely support the arrest and imprisonment of Laurie Loomer and other "Alt-Light" activists who behave like antifa.#FreeLaurie
— Richard Spencer (@RichardBSpencer) June 17, 2017
In other tweets, Spencer has kept the feud running, calling Posobiec “an outright liar and hypocrite,” “Cuck Posobiec,” and “Crooked Jack Posobiec, lion of the Fake Right.”
Posobiec has responded by signal-boosting the accusations against Spencer and The Right Stuff.
https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/876511244945117186
Spencer and other alt-rightists have been organizing for a “Free Speech Rally” in Washington on June 25th. Originally, both Posobiec and Loomer were scheduled to speak. Both have bowed out because of Spencer’s attacks.
Now Posobiec has decided to organize a competing rally — also on the 25th, also in Washington — to protest “Political Violence.” Both Loomer and Wintrich are scheduled to attend.
The dueling rallies neatly symbolize the current state of animosity between the alt-right and the alt-lite. Forney and Wintrich’s accusations didn’t create these divisions, but have certainly helped to cement them.
@Redsilkphoenix
It’s mostly a series of one-off/short stories. There are many recurring characters (my favorite is probably Kronar, the hyper-masculine, misogynistic, strictly homosexual barbarian), and a lot of strips (especially early on) focus on the hapless sorcerer’s apprentice Ivan and his experiences at his sadistic Mistress’s court, but there’s not a ton of continuity. I still recommend reading it all the way through, though.
@PeeVee
Yeah, sucks he lost. But my vote wasn’t wasted. From a 23+ point lead to less than 6 in half a year? If that kinda swing, or even a quarter of it, is indicative of 2018… I’m keeping hope alive 🙂
Huh.
https://www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/27/big-manosphere-reveal-matt-forney-was-ferdinand-bardamu/
5% is basically a natural 20, so it’s a possible swing for next year, too. Ridiculous in some ways that they spent $50 million or so on it, but it wasn’t just Democrat spending that that number counts.
From the NY Times, Ossoff and others spent $39.2m, and the Republicans spent $24.8m.
Most of the money funding the incumbent came from groups outside of Georgia. Most of the money for Ossoff came from individual and campaign contributors.
Still, that’s the closest Georgia 6 has been to Democratic representation in many years.
Guess who lost Georgia 6 to Democrat John J. Flynt Jr. in 1974… Everyone’s favorite Republican… Newt Gingrich.
@Fabe, @PeeVee, @MrsObedMarsh,
Thanks for the info. I was wondering about that. The one time I tried to go back to the beginning on that strip, I went to a page where a noble guy on trial was making excuses about how he had no choice about being an asshole, cause then he’d be a hypocrite if he acted polite. (Said trial ended with him convicted and the people happily hauling the asshole away to be hung.) And I thought that that page surely wasn’t the first strip in the series, and since my brain wasn’t up to braining that day, didn’t look further. I’ll have another go at it when I get a chance to do so.
Thanks. 🙂
The current alt-right has raised eyebrows among more traditional Nazis for including gay men and Jewish people (of course, Benito Mussolini probably wouldn’t care if a fascist was gay or Jewish).
Though people with legit Nazi “movement” creds did far worse than grooming teenage boys and the far right forgave them: http://www.readthehook.com/74679/neighborhood-watch-kiddie-porn-possessor-be-released
Strom pleaded guilty to possessing child porn, which he claims he downloaded accidentally.
@History Nerd
Remember that time a gay man commanded Hitler’s SA? His name was Ernst Röhm.
Hitler destroyed him when he felt he could no longer overlook his sexuality.
These Pepe-posting altreich fuccbois really seem to have their hearts set on imitating their grandsires all the way down to the smallest detail.
I really wish Scott Adams wasn’t the “I like Trump” cartoonist. I’d like to work out some way to get back the money I spent on his books and cartoons back when he was at least somewhat fun to read. Ten or twenty years ago, maybe?
This week, Russia hacked the election because they knew Hillary would have been terrible for the whole world.
I wouldn’t trust Adams’s “sniff test” to tell the difference between crap and roses. Also, if sniffing something is required to determine whether it’s logical… YOU’RE DOING IT WRONG.
Most recent Dilbert today, apparently Dilbert is a stand-in for Trump. That explains a lot.
Like others, I hope there aren’t any actual underage rape victims. But it would not surprise me.
Otherwise, Team No One.
Russia hacked the election in part because Putin hates having to deal with strong women.
@Axe
Late as usual, but that song’s A++.
I sorta picked up the term thanks to a long-seated fascination with the once crowd-pleasing Maxwell of Don’t Starve, but…this is good material, man.
@Troubelle
I kinda assumed you based your verses on that song. Similar flow in my mind. Ladies and Gentlemen was the jam back in the day. And on trailers for everything. A bit before your time, I suppose. But great musical minds think alike, I guess ?
@Axe
Will admit: never heard it before.
[adds it to “game?” list]
@JS: It was my understanding that there was no “incumbent” in the race, as it was to replace Tom Price’s vacated seat. Handel may have been a long-time GOP hack who apparently is inordinately proud of her “tentacles” (!?!?!?!?), but she wasn’t actually holding the seat going into the election and therefore doesn’t count as incumbent.
I thought you automatically won if you got a natural 20.
Extremism, and infighting go together like adolescent Nazis and anime. It’s certainly been the case as long as I’ve been aware of political extremes. A lot of the time, it’s what keeps extreme movements from cohering effectively, which is something I’ve been very grateful for. Political/religious extremes tend to attract people who are (not to put too fine a point on it) rather dysfunctional. Here in the UK, groups like the EDL are brimming over with young men, who have trouble holding down jobs, maintaining relationships, etc. They tend to lash out at any given opportunity, and whichever ‘organisation’ they happen to be affiliated with suffers from feuds, drama and perpetual turmoil as a result.
Radical Islam in the 20th century suffered from the same issues, and would likely have been much more successful, if all the various groups, sub-groups and factions hadn’t been devoting so much of their time to scratching each other’s eyes out.
@Chimeric, not actual incumbent, yes. I was more thinking of “same party as incumbent” but didn’t spell it out when I was writing that.
It really would have been wonderfully ironic if it went Democrat because Trump chose the previous rep for executive branch. Whoooops!
However, a woman did win, so… um, half-a-yay maybe.
Wait… “tremendous tentacles”? She even talks like the Orange one who must not be named 3 times lest he appear out of the strange angles of non-euclidean geometry.
I just wish people would stop saying, “Oh, it’s a very slight majority, so we have a mandate from the people, and we must not compromise anything.”
Drain the swamp by rerouting the Potomac into the Capitol.
History Nerd, this post reminded me of Strom even before you brought him up. I used to run into Strom on Usenet in the late ’90s. He was a major player in the late William Pierce’s National Alliance, and announcer on the NA’s radio show American Dissident Voices. Like most of the extreme right Pierce and Strom were big believers in the idea that Jews were trying to pervert white children into being “anti-white,” gay, etc.
“Russia hacked the election in part because Putin hates having to deal with strong women.”
If you want to know what russia do to strong women – read what they done to Nadia Savchenko. She is racist and antisemetic and no hero of mine, but trust, putin does not care for very much at all. Merkel is strong and putin doesn’t fucking care. Whoever leads whichever country, russian government needs no permission. They march into ukraine shameless and free…
Wankers on the internet are always accusing their enemies of child abuse. Its the only thing that shocks or shames them anymore as they’ve already self-justified all the other shocking shameful things they do.
Not to say that it isn’t true, but I have no reason to believe or not believe matt forney. Hope they all get locked away for their various crimes whatever they happen to be.
Have you ever seen Mr Freedom? It’s a satirical movie from the late 60s about a fascist American superhero. It’s got Donald Pleasance in it, and Serge Gainsbourg appears in a minor role. Anyway, at one point the titular character goes to inspect his “Freedom troops”, ordinary men and women who’ve joined him in his fight for star-spangled freedom, during a “training” session. But instead of regimented rows of identically dressed, disciplined ubermenschen marching in formation, what we see looks more like a mosh pit. There are no uniforms, and many of the participants are shirtless. Some are beating each other up. Others are dancing wildly or throwing punches at the air. Others are just running in circles or primal-screaming. I may be remembering it wrong, but I think some are smeared in a substance that I’m pretty sure we’re meant to assume is poo.
It’s not the most subtle visual metaphor, but I think it gets the point across.
Or to put it another way, and to borrow a phrase from Someone On The Internet a few years ago, fascism has no “solid core of normalcy” around which to coalesce, so it starts to break apart whenever it gains any momentum. Here’s hoping, anyway.
@Francesca
Yup, same thing they did with Milo. Tolerated him for a while, then kicked him off when they couldn’t stand him anymore.
They want to bring Ivich back, but say it would be a multi page comic, and don’t have the time to put it together right now.
The cum sprites were great.