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The “literal only value” of women “is that they can carry seed,” MGTOW of the Day explains

I don’t know what’s going on here but frankly it scares the hell out of me

By David Futrelle

Today’s MGTOW of the Day, fresh from the Men Going Their Own Way subreddit, has a rather unique perspective on the relative values of men and women. As he sees it, women are vastly inferior creatures whose only value stems from the fact that they can er, carry seed.

Men, by contrast, are … buses.

DThrillard 8 points an hour ago Women are retarded. They are literally stupid, irrational, inferior human beings. They're literal only value is that they can carry seed. That's not an exaggeration, it's not hyperbole, it's legitimately the only use a woman has. Because sexual dynamics are at an all time low, and worsening by the day, it enables a woman to treat you like shit. Why? Because she replace you in 10 seconds flat whereas even above average men will struggle to replace a bitch. You are inherently disposable, therefore, why should she place value upon you? You're nothing to her. A bus she can watch pass by, because there's another one coming guaranteed. Same can't be said for men. Even Brad fucking Pitt can't keep a woman happy. Why even bother?

I’m not sure MGTOWs have quite mastered the fine art of the metaphor yet.

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Shiya
Shiya
4 years ago

@Policy: I’m genuinely baffled, then. Please help me comprehend your post (I wonder if nested blockquotes work…):

But again, SUPER amusing to me that some of you were all, โ€œNo one should be uncomfortable!โ€ and are now laughing about my actual IRL info being briefly accessible and me being a smidge perturbed by it.

Not a thing anyone said, but if thatโ€™s what you perceived then a lot of things make sense now.

Unfortunately there is no cure for non-comprehension, so.

which I interpreted to be you not believing anyone was laughing at me– OH you meant the OTHER thing I was saying, “No one should be uncomfortable!” Gotcha. That was really just my summary of the entire argument, which I agree, vastly oversimplified the entire thread. I apologize for that; I was/am under a bit of adrenaline/duress right now and not being as careful in my speech as I typically try to be. ๐Ÿ™‚ I was attempting to do a brief “sum up” of the argument; I told you I wasn’t any good at that, now you see why! Haha.

Collateral Thought
Collateral Thought
4 years ago

@ Axe:

Yeah, that’s quite fair. I’m in the habit of reverse-image searching all kinds of stuff, mostly to try to identify celebrities or figure out which movie a scene comes from and the like. I didn’t actually WANT to know Shiya’s identity though, because a) we’re all sock puppets for David anyhow, donchaknow, b) I don’t want to intrude on anyone’s privacy (especially not here, of all places), and c) it’s incredibly unlikely that I’ll ever meet anyone here in person, and so I just don’t concern myself with such things. People’s bodies and genders matter to me (online) only insofar as those things shape their experiences and attitudes.

I did wonder what was going on when SFHC mentioned that the profile pic seemed inauthentic, so I looked it up, but then I’m horribly curious about anomalies and it’s hard to help myself there. I’ve also encountered enough disingenuousness online that I’m prone to fact-check such things, if someone says that someone else isn’t who they claim to be.

Anyhow, I certainly didn’t want to contribute to making anyone uncomfortable.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
4 years ago

That was really just my summary of the entire argument, which I agree, vastly oversimplified the entire thread.

No, it misrepresents the entire thread. Nobody said that nobody should be uncomfortable. What I said, and what others said, is that nobody should have to stay silent when they are uncomfortable, especially when that person is female.

Are you uncomfortable? You should feel free to say so (or not, as you prefer) and I haven’t seen anyone say otherwise? So no, your “summary” is not actually a summary, but a total misrepresentation.

OT but y’all, Logan in black and white is masterful. I thought it would just be pretentious, but no, it’s really good this way.

Z&T
Z&T
4 years ago

Cornychips,

I want to say Yay you got my point, but it’s nothing to “yay” about.

I also wanted to say that I was most interested to read your thoughts, about your past, relatives, and upbringing, it was rather different for me – my relatives were pretty liberal and open minded.

But there was a negative side to this too in that I thought – everyone else was like us too. And I attended private schools and uni’s and once I got out in the “real world” – OUCH!

Well, then it was “The School of Hard Knocks” I guess.

Collateral Thought
Collateral Thought
4 years ago

@ PoM:

Logan is a hell of a good flick. I’ll definitely have to catch it in B&W sometime. I was worried that the film stock used wouldn’t necessarily capture the right subtleties of tone for the conversion, but you’re one of several people who have mentioned really enjoying it.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
4 years ago

Speaking of ID and the like, don’t suppose anyone could sort me out the twitter thing so I can post on that stormer site?

Shiya
Shiya
4 years ago

@PeeVee: Okay, what do you view as the definition of doxxing? Sincerely, the definition on the internet is:

“search for and publish private or identifying information about (a particular individual) on the Internet, typically with malicious intent”

I agree, there was no malicious intent in SFHC’s actions, but that’s not required for doxxing. All that’s required is that one searches for (using whatever tools available, in this case my profile picture) someone else’s identifying information, and then publishes that information. While I also agree that SFHC did not DIRECTLY publish that information, he gave enough information for others to find it, enough for them to ALSO tell me about the marketing firm that the picture was featured on which again, CAN IDENTIFY ME AND IS ASSOCIATED WITH ME IN REAL LIFE.

So yes. I made it WAY easier than I should have. But there was information (my name, my career, etc) that I did not make public in this forum on my own and is now either known, or could be known, to people due to the (admittedly, embarrassingly easy) search steps laid out by SFHC. That is doxxing. If it is not, please tell me what you think is a more appropriate phrase to use for “used a picture on an anonymous forum to find out a person’s real info, then posted the steps of how to also find out on the same forum”.

@Policy: Sure. As you say. Again, I’m a bit emotionally wound up at the moment, so my language is not as precise as I’d prefer it to be. But, here’s the main difference in the rest of your argument:
1) It was not just “I’m uncomfortable” but rather “I’m uncomfortable; also, you should stop posting here because of it”;
2) Yeah, I was made to be uncomfortable! But, as I said in earlier posts, this was a case of me being DIRECTLY targeted and potentially harmed as a result of someone’s actions. But even then:
3) You’ll notice I’m trying to engage SFHC and haven’t presumed to ask them to stop posting here. Not only because I’m definitely the new kid on the block, but also because I readily accept that SFHC’s actions were probably not malicious, even if they were potentially harmful.

So uhm… yeah. ๐Ÿ˜€ It was on accident, but I think I’ve walked my talk pretty well, haha.

PeeVee the (Timber-Rattling Booger Slut, But Noice) Sarcastic
PeeVee the (Timber-Rattling Booger Slut, But Noice) Sarcastic
4 years ago

Alan, what on earth do you have planned, you sly man?

(Nope, sorry, can’t help with the Twitter thing. Not on it.)

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
4 years ago

@Collateral Thought

I bought it on blu-ray without paying a lot of attention to what I was getting, so it came as three discs and the third disc is “Logan Noir” which made me lol. I mean, how full of itself does a film have to be?

But it’s really good. It really highlights the excellent use of light in the film, and the gore is toned down by being grayscale. It’s a great thing to, for instance, flip over to when this thread gets to be too much for me tonight. LOL

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
4 years ago

It was on accident, but I think Iโ€™ve walked my talk pretty well, haha.

Your talk is bullshit and nobody asked you to walk it. But the entire point is that literally nobody said “Nobody should be uncomfortable” so when you “summarize” the thread that way you are misrepresenting what was said. The rest of your digression is digression and not salient.

Ooglyboggles
Ooglyboggles
4 years ago

@Policy of Madness
Oh wow that does sound like a boon. It’s comforting to know from you that the film’s BnW version isn’t just some hackneyed attempt to add more features to the disc.

Shiya
Shiya
4 years ago

@Policy: I already plainly stated that you are correct in my other post. But, to plainly state what you are correct about: I improperly summarized and as a result mischaracterized an incredibly complicated and lengthy discussion with an overly simplified and inaccurate statement.

Okay? ๐Ÿ™‚

As far as my talk being bullshit… agree to disagree. And no one asked me to walk it, but I would be a pretty crappy character not to practice what I preach. So I guess, in a way, my own moral compass asked me to walk it? Lemme guess, next: “your moral compass is bullshit,” right? ;D

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
4 years ago

@ peevee

you sly man

*twirls moustache*

A little bit of a “put your money where your mouth is” challenge. ๐Ÿ˜€

Collateral Thought
Collateral Thought
4 years ago

@ Shiya:

I think I understand your position in regards to doxxing. I politely disagree though.

If SFHC looked up your info, then posted your name/address/etc., then that would be doxxing. That didn’t happen though, and nuance matters.

SFHC instead pointed out that there was some weirdness surrounding the picture you yourself chose to use for your gravitar. I think many of us were already quite familiar with the concept and process of a reverse-image search, so this didn’t reveal anything at all about your identity, nor was it novel information about how to discover your identity. All SFHC did was to point out that this image appeared in several different profiles. In such a situation, my immediate assumption would be that either a) the picture was a fake (which you disproved by posting another picture), or b) the image was being misused on the internet somehow, either by malice or by some vagary of google. None of that would lead me though to know which of those profiles, if any, had identifiable information about you.

You then (repeatedly) noted that one or more of those profiles WERE about you. Nobody asked you to do this, and I strongly urge you to be more cautious in the future.

If anyone doxxed you, then, it was you and you alone. You put up that picture, then you verified (using another picture) that the first picture was genuine. You said that the links were valid even when nobody had reason to believe they were. You provided a breadcrumb trail to your real identity. And given all you’ve said here, I’m sure I could track you down if I had an interest in doing so. That’s worrisome because that means other people can do so, who might mean you ill. I don’t.

I’m not hoping to upset you or shame you, because clearly you didn’t mean to do any of this, and I can understand that this all must be stressful to you. I’m only trying to clarify what was NOT done to you by SFHC or others here (myself included), and to help you to protect yourself better in the future.

I really do hope you’re safe, and that no trouble comes to you because of the exposure you created for your identity. And I hope you have a great evening and weekend.

cat
cat
4 years ago

shiya is making me tired now. am i allowed to go wildly off topic? who wants to see me doxx my cat?

http://68.media.tumblr.com/8d74ecf7c1c54afc3658e1a81e147223/tumblr_inline_oju9kqSU9J1rtxu1y_1280.jpg

cornychips
cornychips
4 years ago

@ZT

I wonder what kind of person I would be if I had been raised in a progressive culture. I might have just turned into a clueless White Feminist. ๐Ÿ˜› I’m truly lucky to have WHTM. This place has been a treasure trove of good shtuff and has actually helped me eradicate the sneaky, latent bigotry hiding in my brain.

Collateral Thought
Collateral Thought
4 years ago

@ PoM:

Huh, ok, I will have to pick up that blu-ray set then it seems. ๐Ÿ™‚

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
4 years ago

@Ooglyboggles

Maybe it’s hackneyed? Not sure, but it’s a super-enjoyable way to experience the film, and I’m very happy with it.

Collateral Thought
Collateral Thought
4 years ago

@ cat:

Your kitty seems perturbed by something happening there. Look at that ear turned sideways and those dilated pupils. CAT ABUSE!!!111!

Seriously though, pretty kitty.

Shiya
Shiya
4 years ago

@Collateral: What I’m saying is, anyone who followed the trail he left could easily have found me. The “inconsistencies” quoted were not actually inconsistent, and would have been easy to figure out if someone spent five minutes digging around. I agree, the fact that I made it so easy to do with a commonly available tool is my own giant idiot mistake, and my initial panic response to be like, “Uhm, you’re doxxing me, thanks?” was not the best one.

HOWEVER, the ability to even “doxx” someone is to use some bit of information they put somewhere, and use that to track down their information. That is the definition of doxxing. Saying “well, you made it easy!” does not change the fact that it’s doxxing. For someone incredibly well versed on hunting things down on the internet, doxxing anyone at all might be easy, and they could say, “Well, I used this and this easily available tool to do so, so it’s not doxxing.” And they could also not post someone’s actual info, but rather just a clearly laid out way to ACCESS that info, and that makes it not doxxing?

Like I said, I agree that I made some miss-steps. It doesn’t change the fact that someone who WAS malicious and spent more than a five second glance-a-roo at the google reverse image search would have found me pretty darn easily. And yeah, I confirmed that, and yeah, that was my own fault. And yeah, lesson learned, never use your real face for a gravatar, got it!

I don’t think anyone here is actually malicious, and the “bread crumbs” of “I had a picture at one time that could find me” and “works at a marketing firm” will be able to lead anyone to me in the future. Thankfully. So, though I still have enough adrenaline to have my heart still racing, I don’t actually feel in any danger. Though, we’ve all already seen how evidently not-internet-savvy I am, so who knows!

kupo
kupo
4 years ago

@Alan
What do you need to do your mischief?

Francesca Torpedo, Femoid Special Forces Major
Francesca Torpedo, Femoid Special Forces Major
4 years ago

@Sir Alan

Leave it to me! How can I help?

You need a fake twitter account, yes? Any specific name or such you would like?

Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
4 years ago

@Collateral

Anyhow, I certainly didnโ€™t want to contribute to making anyone uncomfortable

If you’re referring to @Shiya, I couldn’t say if you did or not. If you’re referring to me, you’re fine

@PoM

the gore is toned down by being grayscale

Aaand sold! I get that some people got something out of it, and it didn’t too much bother me, but blood that’s not mine is generally pretty squicky to me. Also, I could see it as a great thing as far as letting kids watch the movie. Not preschoolers, obvs. But, if I had tweens/teens, I’d personally be more reticent to let em see the gore than the profanity or the few seconds of nudie bits…

Ooglyboggles
Ooglyboggles
4 years ago

@Policy of Madness
Glad to know ๐Ÿ˜€
@cat
Your kitty looks like it’s thinkin “what is this thing you put at my face”

Katz
4 years ago

weโ€™re all sock puppets for David anyhow, donchaknow

EXCUSE ME but everyone knows we are all ferrets in a human suit, and also a class of sociology students.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
4 years ago

@ kupo & fran

Real name and this photograph if possible please.

http://i.imgur.com/6I1apnz.jpg

I need to be able to post a comment and then, if necessary, respond to any replies.

ETA: the twitter thing is so I can sign up to stormer. If you can do that without any risk to yourself that would be peachy.

cat
cat
4 years ago

@ everyone: it was the camera sound effect that gave her agita. she was NOT amused. sounds strange. 0/10 does not recommend to other cats

Francesca Torpedo, Femoid Special Forces Major
Francesca Torpedo, Femoid Special Forces Major
4 years ago

@Sir Alan

Sounds good.

Okay, so just so I have the whole thing under control: you want a twitter account that uses your real name and that photo for the avatar, correct?

I recall you mentioning something about needing a disposable mailbox: do you still need that or is that unnecessary now?

Collateral Thought
Collateral Thought
4 years ago

@ Shiya:

What I’m trying to say is that 1) SFHC didn’t publish your info, therefore didn’t dox you (doxxing isn’t looking someone’s info up, or even noting that it’s possible to look it up, but rather literally sharing that info online, which nobody here did); and 2) anyone with malicious intent who would want to dox you already knew all about reverse-image search and didn’t require that input to have looked you up.

That’s kind of like if you posted using your real name, and then someone mentioned that this name could be googled, or searched on Facebook or LinkedIn or via one of those people-finder sites. I mean, not everyone knows this, but many or most do. And then if you complained that this person doxxed you, that’d be analogous.

I think it’s in everyone’s best interests to be as safe as possible over the internet. I’m VERY cautious about sharing anything identifiable, even in communities where I’ve been posting regularly for many years. I never share pictures of myself, don’t name any of my past or present employers, and only provide generalities about my life experience or identity. I don’t see this as paranoia so much as self-defense. Even so, even with those precautions in place, I’m quite aware that there are ways to track down a fair amount of info about me.

But then I’ve lived a kinda strange life, and been stalked a few times, and remain twitchy. Your mileage may of course vary.

So I’d suggest that, rather than feeling victimized here (which you really weren’t, honestly!), your takeaway might more constructively be that it’s good to be careful what you share on the internet, and that several people offered input in that regard, wishing to be helpful.

Katz
4 years ago

If you need a temporary email address, you can use forward.cat:

https://forward.cat

Simple as can be. It forwards emails to your regular email account and it deactivates after a week. I’ve used it before when I wanted to get in contact with people here but didn’t want to post my email publicly.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
4 years ago

@ fran ETA & Katz

It seems the only way to sign up to that site is through twitter, hence the request.

Heh, I’m really letting the patriarchy down with my ‘boys can’t STEM thing aren’t I”?

Francesca Torpedo, Femoid Special Forces Major
Francesca Torpedo, Femoid Special Forces Major
4 years ago

@Sir Alan

Gotcha.

Wait one second.

KatieKitten420
KatieKitten420
4 years ago

@Alan

You don’t have to answer this unless you want to because I can totally understand you wanting to keep your identity private. But is that picture of you? For some reason you look totally different than how I picture you if so. Not in a bad way just in a different way. I thought you were maybe a bit younger and also clean shaven for a random example. I don’t know why but I make pictures of everybody on the internet in my head maybe it’s because I read so much and I’m used to making those pictures. Okay I’m babbling I’m going to post now

kupo
kupo
4 years ago

I found a throwaway email service that twitter seems to accept. https://app.getnada.com/

Did you need the account created for you? It’s probably best not to share passwords even if they’re for a burner account.

Shiya
Shiya
4 years ago

@Collateral: Oh no, I definitely agree! Like I said, I’m even grateful to SFHC for pointing out what should definitely have been obvious before someone truly malicious could act on it. And yeah, I noticed when I initially posted that gravatar had supplied that pic, and was like, “Hey, what’s the harm?” because I had forgotten google and that was a mistake.

However, again, anyone who is doxxed is doxxed because they posted something, that SOMEone, could search with to find their personal information. I made it super easy, I agree. But if someone was like, “Hey guys, if you do X you can find their IP, and then if you do Y you can find their address, and I don’t think that’s actually them!” I hope you can agree that would be doxxing, though indirect. Doxxing is posting anyone’s information that they did not post themselves by searching for it. I did not post my own name and career history, OR the method to find it. Yes, the tool was simple and I was ignorant, but it doesn’t change what happened.

Anyway. I’m repeating myself, which I’m sure is exhausting, haha. I 100% appreciate your sincerity and everyone’s well-warranted “what are you doing stop posting pictures of yourself in forums” advice, haha. Trust me. I definitely should know better, and I appreciate everyone’s help and kind wishes, especially yours, thank you. ๐Ÿ™‚ I burned my hand on the stove that I already well knew was hot, but thankfully the burn is minor.

Francesca Torpedo, Femoid Special Forces Major
Francesca Torpedo, Femoid Special Forces Major
4 years ago

@Sir Alan

Alan Robertshaw
@AlanGkc
gkcchdhnw@emailsecurer.com
Password: elbrus

You don’t need the email for anything, but if they ask you for it, you can use it.

It’s all validated and ready to go. Have fun.

PeeVee the (Timber-Rattling Booger Slut, But Noice) Sarcastic
PeeVee the (Timber-Rattling Booger Slut, But Noice) Sarcastic
4 years ago

Shiya, I’m done talking about this; I’m stepping one beyond your show.

Alan, I can’t wait for yours to begin!

KatieKitten, Alan’s old avatar (the one where’s he’s wearing a stockingcap) always reminded me of Alan Rickman. I don’t know why…

PeeVee the (Timber-Rattling Booger Slut, But Noice) Sarcastic
PeeVee the (Timber-Rattling Booger Slut, But Noice) Sarcastic
4 years ago

Shiya, I’m done talking about this; I’m stepping one beyond your show.

Alan, I can’t wait for yours to begin!

KatieKitten, Alan’s old avatar (the one where’s he’s wearing a stockingcap) always reminded me of Alan Rickman. I don’t know why…

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
4 years ago

@ katiekitten

But is that picture of you?

Yup. That’s me in my nym(?) picture too.

Btw, I posted a response to your back in the original ‘check out NYT’ thread. Nothing exciting. Basically hello and skin one up for me sort of thing.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
4 years ago

Oh cheers Fran, you’re a star. Now let’s see if this works. Stand by.

PeeVee the (Timber-Rattling Booger Slut, But Noice) Sarcastic
PeeVee the (Timber-Rattling Booger Slut, But Noice) Sarcastic
4 years ago

Oooh, Fran, you delightful complicit minx!

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

Hey all. What did I miss?

* reads thread*

Oh my.

I’m on the bus close to my stop so a more detailed post will have to wait a few, but thanks to those who stuck up for me against the concern trolling.

Francesca Torpedo, Femoid Special Forces Major
Francesca Torpedo, Femoid Special Forces Major
4 years ago

@Sir Alan
@PeeVee

I’m that sassy black woman cyber-hacker from the 80’s oldschool Japanese Animes.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
4 years ago

@ fran

Which bit do I put in where it says ‘username’?

CleverForAGirl
CleverForAGirl
4 years ago

Peevee, and here I thought I was the only one who found alan terribly handsome!

kupo
kupo
4 years ago

@Fran
*Hacker five!*

Francesca Torpedo, Femoid Special Forces Major
Francesca Torpedo, Femoid Special Forces Major
4 years ago

@Sir Alan

Oh, sorry. I should have mentioned:

@AlanGkc, with or without the @. I forget. XD

PeeVee the (Timber-Rattling Booger Slut, But Noice) Sarcastic
PeeVee the (Timber-Rattling Booger Slut, But Noice) Sarcastic
4 years ago

Clever, oh yeah! Clearly, we are people with impeccably good taste!

Fran, you crack me up. If you ever stop being you I will be verclempt.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
4 years ago

impeccably good taste!

Or terrible eyesight.

PeeVee the (Timber-Rattling Booger Slut, But Noice) Sarcastic
PeeVee the (Timber-Rattling Booger Slut, But Noice) Sarcastic
4 years ago

Or terrible eyesight.

Staaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahp.