By David Futrelle
Today’s MGTOW of the Day, fresh from the Men Going Their Own Way subreddit, has a rather unique perspective on the relative values of men and women. As he sees it, women are vastly inferior creatures whose only value stems from the fact that they can er, carry seed.
Men, by contrast, are … buses.
I’m not sure MGTOWs have quite mastered the fine art of the metaphor yet.
Last post here, I promise. You’re seeing u/undefined because I deleted my account. The optics of that aren’t great but I did it because I’m done for awhile. The comment you posted gives as good as any an indication of the misogynist content you’d find there.
@PeeVee
In javascript undefined means the thing you’re trying to reference hasn’t been given a value. I tried to load his profile and it’s just stuck on the loading screen so it’s probably just a reddit server being slow to respond.
Edit: ok, that makes sense that he’d show as undefined since he deleted his account.
Afroaway, you’re doing classic abuser behavior by saying, “see, I invite you to read my posting history to prove I’m what I say I am” and then immediately deleting it.
Ah, thanks for the explanations.
(Not a Reddit user.)
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Reddit account deletions are permanent (according to reddit’s FAQ), so if afroaway00 wants to post on reddit again, he’ll have to use a new name.
@JS
Well he did say it was a throwaway account.
And that would be why I don’t ever attempt to help manospherians/trolls become better people.
so i read this whole thread over my coffee, loving the drama… and then i got to @JS mentioning that Afro’s been quoted in an article here before, and some of the copy/pasted reddit comments. so. Afro “only men can be truly unattractive” the incel. i don’t have to explain why that bit’s laughable to me (a young fat woman) but anyway, now i’m ready to say something to Afro.
stop. talking. everything you’ve said is about YOU. you still seem to be referring to yourself as an “incel”? which literally by definition means you think you’re entitled to sex on the reg (you’re not). your entitlement levels are off the charts. and everyone in this thread has told you that, yet you still come back and say more things about ya damn self. stop talking in feminist spaces. ONLY listen. i literally do not care if you think you have something valuable to add to the discussion because you’ve proved that your definition of value is “about you”. go read things written by women, watch some good bechdel movies, and practice thinking about things from a point of view other than your own.
honestly this all came off sounding a lot meaner than i intended, but after the coffee and the DiscourseTM i was feeling really exasperated. still though, i’m a chronic optimist, and i think maybe Afro’s got a little glint of sincerity in there. good luck~
Well if it makes you feel any better, your posts and the posts of others here did help. I deleted my Reddit account and emailed David Futrelle to ban this account because I realized I was in fact here looking for redemption. I tried to take control of my own narrative and get redeemed by posting here and it blew up in my face, deservingly so. I wanted to be seen as something without doing the work for it.
Someone made a comparison to a former racist hanging out at black spaces looking for a pat on the back. It’s probably because I’m black myself but that helped me see just what it was that I was trying to do.
So I’ll heed y’alls call and stop posting here. I won’t be able to soon anyway because my weak ass has a hard time not responding to people. You guys probably know that all too well by now. I’m trying not to make this post sound martyr-ish or whatever so I’m sorry if it does. I just wanted to go out on a better note. Your honesty, even if it hurt, did help me see my mistakes.
I’ll probably stay and lurk but I’ll leave all the talking to you guys.
@WWTH
I don’t have a neat conclusion to my story like you do, but I had a recent interaction that tripped my red flag sensors.
I was in a new city apartment hunting (since I’m moving next week! Yay!). I took myself out for dinner one night at a cool little bistro/wine bar kinda place. Since it was just me, I sat at the bar. It was a bit early for most people to be having dinner, but my body hadn’t adjusted to the time difference yet. I had a book with me, so I ordered a drink, read for awhile, chatted with the bartender and another patron. No big deal.
A bit later, I’ve ordered some food and another drink and there is a guy sitting a few seats away. He’s about my age and obviously a regular at this place. We start chatting a bit, as you do at the bar, and that’s when he started dropping some warning signs. I was just interested in some casual conversation; he was obviously after something more and I did not trust his intentions.
He told me that he started talking to me because he thought I was pretty.
He tried to buy me another drink, which I declined. (Note: he was not drinking alcohol, but I was.)
He and the bartender also joked about how maybe another drink wasn’t a good idea since I’m a thin woman and was drinking hard liquor. (No, I’m probably not the type of person you’d think of when you think of a bourbon drinker, but I’m perfectly capable of making my own decisions about what and how much I drink, thank you very much.)
He offered to take me on a tour of his work (which would have been pretty interesting, but not worth it for me).
He insisted on paying for my dinner, even after I told him that I was going to get reimbursed for it. I refused his offer twice and finally gave up because it wasn’t worth the effort of fighting with him. (This was also an opportunity for him to flash some cash that he’d won in a slot machine that day. And, now that I think about it, this may have been a calculated move.)
After we’d been talking for maybe half an hour, he told me that I had really pretty eyes. I don’t know about anyone else, but this “compliment” always sounds so insincere to me. It’s just so generic that I have a hard time believing it. This comment got a side-eye from me because, really? That’s the best compliment you can come up with after a half hour of conversation? Not impressed.
I let him give me his phone number, written on a piece of paper. I was just really glad that he didn’t ask me to call/text right away so he would have my number. He left first and I waited a bit before I left because I was concerned that he might be waiting for me outside. Thankfully, he wasn’t and I was able to go back to my hotel in peace.
Maybe I was wrong about him, but I trust my instincts. There is a reason this interaction made me uncomfortable and I had my guard up. It didn’t seem like a big deal at the time, but now that I’ve written it out, I’m noticing just how creepy it was. I got a red flag when he tried to buy me another drink, but it wasn’t until later that I found out he was drinking something non-alcoholic and now that I’ve put those things together, it’s gotten creepier. Same with the money thing. How intentional was that move? I could see him pull a wad of cash out of his wallet. Did he do that on purpose to make sure that I saw it?
Ugh…I feel gross now.
Sorry for the long story. This has been on my mind lately. I couldn’t quite pin down why it bugged me so much, but writing it out definitely helped. I was picking up on the red flags, even if I didn’t consciously recognize the full extent of the warning signs.
@WWTH
Very true. And I’d add one more thing: cheating. Usually men are not good at hiding their affairs but the RP is teaching many of them how to be sneakier and hide them better. Stuff like don’t date in your city, don’t give your real name, use a second phone to message your side chick and keep that phone hidden. There’s an epidemic of cheating husbands, being unfaithful is a trend now. The Ashley Madison website scandal is a proof of that. Sometimes I think of those men’s wives and wonder if they found out about their husbands’ wish to cheat on them or if they’re completely oblivious. Of course that website has female profiles too but most of them are fake accounts and checking accounts. Most women subscribed to the website to check if their husbands had accounts on it.
According to the numbers 1 in 6 married American men are subscribed to that website. That’s scary and pretty depressing to be honest.
Goes to show you that even in marriage you have to be extremely careful and not let your istincts behind.
It’s really telling that in the middle of a bunch of women talking about creepers, Afro felt the need to unstick his flounce and violate boundaries like a big ol’ creep.
Really, really telling.
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@Afro
Bye, Felicia…
@Aulma
I highly doubt cheating is a new phenomenon only now practiced by Da Yoof….
I even dare venture that it actually happened more in the past, since divorce was frowned upon much more, and people were ‘gently encouraged’ to get married much much younger…
Maybe. But if you consider that nowadays people are not forced to marry young or marry at all, it makes you wonder why the numbers are so high.
I’m pretty sure that MRAL at one point asked to be banned because he couldn’t stop posting. Expect this one to sock again and again.
I’ve gone ahead and banned afro, as requested.
Also, if any of you have comments that don’t post let me know; the spam filter is acting twitchy again, and I just had to free a couple of comments from regulars here from its clutches.
@Who?
I’m probably late to this party, but the thing that happened was, the Senate voted 97-2 on a bill that codified Obama’s sanctions against Russia stemming from the election interference. Nothing to do with Trump. It puts in place a process that would have to be followed to walk the sanctions back, preventing them from being used as a bargaining chip.
Has anyone checked? There is a certain sad-sack familiarity.
@Katz:
Don’t mind me. I’m just going to be over here, feeling old.
@ Falconer
I’ll just reiterate the fact that knocked me for six…
Will Smith is now older than Uncle Phil was! :-/
Katz,
My gut says Afro is an actual new troll, but you never know.
We did have a visit from a troll that revealed himself to be probably MRAL pulling a Steele. He pretended to be an MGTOW libertarian troll, who kept getting banned and socking. He kept up the persona for probably about a year before letting the mask slip and telling almost the exact same story about being in therapy for compulsive behavior and feeling compelled to troll here.
Here’s the thread where he has an epic MRALtdown.
https://www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/2017/06/02/are-women-really-human-asks-the-mgtow-meme-of-the-day/comment-page-1/#comment-1363832
dr. ej – Condolences. And good on ya for trusting your gut!
Had a red flag moment myself a couple of weeks ago that even got me irritated with Husbeast. We were at a get-together at the home of one of Husbeast’s outside business contacts (I’d never been there before and only knew Husbeast and his Girlfriend.)
The host, Host’s wife and most of the others were chill and friendly, but then there was Mr. Red Flag. Hoo boy!
First thing I hear out of Mr. Red Flag was “HELL YEAH, I’ve got porn on my startup screen!” This was in response to Host’s inquiry re repairing Mr. Flag’s computer as in “Do I need to be careful there’s no kids in the room when I boot up?” But Mr. Flag was proclaiming it like it was a matter of personal pride, not concern for young eyes. Yuck.
After an uneventful dinner, Mr. Flag proceeded to be a horrible human* and I asked Husbeast to take us home. In the car, I asked “Who was the asshole with the loud boner updates?” He looked at me quizzically and said “Boner updates? He was just answering Host’s question!”
This is where I got a bit salty. I said “Really?? You don’t see a difference between shouting ‘HELL YEAH, I’ve got porn on my startup screen!’ and oh, maybe something like ‘Yeah, you should probably make sure the kids aren’t around when you start it up’ AT ALL? Why did we all need to know about his pornified computer wallpaper?”
Then we had the Boner Note conversation. AGAIN. *le sigh*
*And that’s a whole ‘nother story.
@Hambeast Mr. Red Flag’s dumb, crass, disgusting behaviour is sure despicable but many men don’t mind guys like him. You can try to make them reason and explain to them why it’s bad but they still won’t get it. You have no idea how many situations like the one you described happened at my family meetings. Whenever some idiot says something stupid/sexist/inappropriate my aunts get angry while my uncles just laugh at it.
Re: men that set off the heebie jeebies.
There’s a guy at my workplace who does just that. I don’t know why. It seems to be in his eyes and his arrogance. I swear I’ve never seen him blink and he has a very cold empty stare. He will push boundaries with “jokes” and “what if I did X lol.” He’s lazy and yet entitled – gets pissy if someone doesn’t turn up to a shift for whatever reason: sick, family problems, or they simply asked for it off. But he will do the bare minimum required, usually less, and refuse to stay on past the rota’d finish time even if the job isn’t done yet.
I don’t know anything about his history but if it turned out he did something chilling I wouldn’t actually be surprised. I’m just that creeped out by him, enough that I asked for a change to the rota so that I wouldn’t be left locking up the place at midnight with him.