There’s nobody quite so sensitive to the subtle oppression of men in contemporary society than the guys who hang out on Involuntary Celibacy forums online. Which is perhaps why they spend so much of their time, er, consciousness raising about the critical issue of fat women who have sex.
On the Incels subreddit, the regulars return to the topic again and again in innumerable threads decrying the fat girl menace. Their central complaint: Fat women are able to have sex with pretty much any man they want, while similarly fat men lead lives of not-so-quiet celibacy.
“Must be nice being a fat woman,” writes someone called ASS_F.
Still get an enormous amount of dating options. Can still date perfectly decent looking men. Can fuck lower tier or drunk Chads. May even be able to shag a model every now and again.
Fellow Reddit incel mcfill1 agrees:
Women have the opportunity to be disgusting slobs and still date up.
Alas, the incels complain, this option is simply not available to men. As Afroaway00 puts it,
all women are attractive to at least some men. they can be midgets, obese, extremely tall, doesn’t matter. only men can truly be unattractive.
ZyrrosLooks explains the supposed SCIENCE behind this supposed fact:
The most funny thing of all is that fat levels affect much more unforgivingly men than women.
A difference between 12 and 16% bodyfat in a woman makes almost no difference in attractiveness. On a man it can be the difference between chad and under average, night and day. Men are expected to have very lean faces, and thus have much much harsher requirements on being lean than women.
So even in the ONLY thing that women require to be attractive, men have it much harsher, its ridiculous.
Indeed, ijustwantsomefriendz adds, with a dollop of transphobia on top,
All a woman needs to be fuckable is have a vagina
(We’ve met ijustwantsomefriendz before; he’s the guy whose incel subreddit “flair” declares that “females deserve the rope.”)
But even the fattest women get endless affirmations from thirsty men, incels complain. Usingthistoshitpost informs his fellow incel Redditors that
I was on meetme last night and 9 out of 10 of the girls on there were obese, disgusting slobs. And here is the kicker, the majority of them have orbiters and men telling them they are THICK and beautiful.
While most incels agree with usingthistoshitpost that these fat women are “disgusting” — and one even says that he doesn’t “consider them humans” — incels are also furious that these “disgusting,” inhuman, sex-having women don’t want to have sex with them. A fellow called DeLaNoochie indignantly reports that he
Thought it would be a piece of cake landing a porker. Boy, was I wrong. It’s unbelievable how much power they have. Everyone hates on them but plenty of guys fuck them. Hypocritical bastards. And they make it tougher for guys because apparently they’re sought after. Wtf
Gosh, who could possibly have imagined that “porkers” wouldn’t want to have anything to do with guys who call them “porkers?”
Even setting aside the horrific misogyny for a second, you may have noticed that pretty much none of these incel beliefs about fat women, fat men and sex have any basis in reality whatsoever — with the exception of the thing about fat women not wanting to date them.
Yes, fat women have sex. Sometimes they even — quelle surprise! — have sex with the sort of conventionally “hot” guys that incels would denounce as “chads.” But guess what, incel dudes, fat guys have sex too, sometimes even with the conventionally hot women you dudes call “Stacies.” (Hell, fat, broke, middle-aged blogger dudes who rarely leave their apartments have sex.)
None of this should be a revelation to anyone. Just take a look at the couples you see walking together through the nearest park; I guarantee you’ll see more than a few fat guys holding hands with women of all shapes and sizes. Most Americans, regardless of gender, are classified as overweight or obese today; the overwhelming majority of them have had sex.
The widespread manosphere belief — seemingly shared by most incels — that 80% of women are having all the sex with only 20% of men, with the rest of the men living sad, celibate lives, has absolutely no basis in reality; I don’t think I’ve ever seen any manospherian even try to provide statistics to back it up. Because those statistics don’t exist.
Incels claim that fat or otherwise less than “perfect”-looking men are treated much more harshly than women; the rest of us know that’s ridiculous. Women are fat-shamed from girlhood to old age, often when they are as far from fat as I am far from skinny. (I only started to get shit about my weight after I started writing about misogynistic men.) Women and girls are three times more likely to develop anorexia than men and boys.
Again, none of this is news to anyone who lives outside of the reality-distortion field of the incel subculture. Incel ideology is a mixture of misogyny and self-hatred that’s as toxic to believers as it is offensive to everyone outside their not-so-charmed circle.
Some man-loving women prefer dudes with chiseled bodies; others — perhaps even most of them, according to one possibly less-than-completely scientific survey — prefer their men with a bit of pudge.
But very few women are into bitter incel assholes who hate themselves nearly as much as they hate women. Most incel dudes — at least going by the pictures they sometimes post — are fairly average looking. It’s not their looks that keep them celibate; it’s the poison that fills their brains.
Nope. I’m done with this farggin icehole.
Legit.
Le-what? 😉
I don’t assume anything if it hasn’t been outright stated or I haven’t seen it. And yes I know, I’ve seen your old posts and recognize your avatar.
I give people the benefit of the doubt when I see they’ve shown they have more awareness than others. After all, dslucia (first comment on page four) said the same thing.
Also, even if it proves to be a waste of time and energy, I feel that fighting them proves to be the same or even more so because this ‘push back’ no matter how you look at it, tends to take a toll on the one who’s doing the pushing. Which is why I stopped going to the blue pill subreddit to be honest.
I don’t think afro was trolling though. I think he’s looking for answers (the ‘first step’ I mentioned earlier) so that’s a good sign to me. I do recall quite a few other trolls you’ve been visited by who were too far gone (MRAL and NWOslave or something), I’ve had the misfortune of dealing with a few myself in other sites (which went nowhere admittedly, even after I was ‘understanding’). There came a point where I was able to recognize which cases were futile and which people are actually trying. If I’m wrong about this one, that’s on me.
Well yeah, they’re victimizing themselves to a very large extent. Something about men (generally speaking) blaming external circumstances and women blaming themselves. Bad learned behavior, although the former is more dangerous to others than the latter. It checks out.
That’s a sign someone’s looking for answers or trying to figure themselves out. It is exactly what I did when I vowed to myself to change my thinking and build self-worth. Different situations, similar process.
I personally thought it was pretty obvious that afro wasn’t showing signs of danger and his red flags weren’t exactly crimson.
You seem ready for a fight. I’m looking for discussion. So if you think you can’t discuss it, then you’re right to not want to take it.
Choosing to stay in an abusive relationship is not the same as asking to be abused or deserving it. That makes perfect logical sense. Anyone want to tell me how it doesn’t? I’m genuinely curious.
@ kupo
There was a quote by someone (can’t remember whom) about some new law (can’t remember what; I’m on a roll here) that imposed some sort of social obligation:
“Only in [place] would you have to legislate for common fucking courtesy”
Plot twist!
That was very weak on my part. Like I said, my intention was discussing the motivation of (some) incels more generally.
Go ahead. I assure you, I’m not controlling any other account.
When oversplaining stuff to lend oneself an air of credibility fails spectacularly.
IP check, please. This shit is getting straight up tedious, not to mention nauseating.
Umm… didn’t I say I lurked around all day yesterday? I was reading old articles from like 2011 or so and literally went through dozens of pages of comments. C’mon guys.
I don’t give a shit, Afroaway. Your presence here is nothing more to you than one long fap session at our expense.
No. WWTH was not on in 2011, and if you read dozens of pages, you’d understand the community a bit better and know that coddling and excusing these assholes is not what we do here.
Fuck it. I’m all out of fucks to give.
I emailed David asking for an IP check.
orly?
i read this:
https://www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/2010/11/12/further-reading-the-gender-pay-gap/#comments
and this:
https://www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/05/15/on-reddit-a-woman-explains-to-other-women-why-men-hate-them-spoiler-alert-its-because-women-suck/comment-page-2/
and this (2011):
https://www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/06/24/career-women-a-crime-against-nature/
and this (2012):
https://www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/04/22/a-little-gender-experiment-confirms-that-reddit-is-full-of-douchebags/
weirwoodtreehugger appears in the comments in some of those articles
you were saying?
I didn’t exactly come here to be validated or fit in. I’m stating a different opinion. Big whoop. And nowhere did I say we should coddle or excuse assholes.
When your “different opinion” actively harms people, it is a “big whoop.”
Huh. I thought I started commenting here late 2013 or early 2014. I guess I was wrong! I learn so many things about myself here.
FYI, David got back to me – both IPs appear to be real and are different. He asks that we let him know if either of them start breaking rules or get too annoying.
I did not see WWTH in any of those comments.
You understand that comments are date stamped, right?
I did not ask you what you’ve read. What I said is that WWTH wasn’t posting in 2011, and that if you had read some of WHTM, you would understand the community a bit better.
You don’t, and it is obvious that you are not here for any good reason, either.
Interesting. Who did I harm? Citation needed.
Thank you, Kupo.
Go back and read Viscaria’s comments.
It’s baffling how many people sweep in here with their tone trolling and then insist they’re long time lurkers or have read many threads. When the fuck has “be nicer to misogynists” ever gone over well here?
There’s lots of comments to look through, I’m on my phone now so don’t want to do it but it’s beside the point. You are trying to be too exact to catch me in a lie in order to dismis me yet people have given up discussing and are not addressing some points I made… weird because you’re so ready to jump on trolls and MRAs. I see nothing will convince you because you automatically think that anyone with a different opinion is a troll and can’t be up to anything good. Not everyone who posts here is trying to get the same thing out of it, that doesn’t make it bad just because it’s different.
But the truth is the truth no matter what you believe. I simply remember reading through a lot of comments from earlier this decade and I frequently saw her avatar appear. Also, when you said WWTH i read that as WHTM so there’s also that. Who cares really?
Myself, Viscaria, and any other domestic violence survivors/victims reading your bullshit rhetoric.
Source: this goddamn thread, D. Futrelle, et. al, 2017.
ok truthfully I got my whtm and wwth mixed up. lol
the last dozen comments were so confusing for me. hahaha
that’s what i get for skimming!
@blackcat
if you aren’t here to fit in or be validated, then why are you here? but seriously though.
I’m just asking questions.
Not insisting, I stated it once because it’s a fact then brought it up again because people here tried to be lawyers about it.
Also it’s going pretty well with afro is it not? But even if not, then that’s all you had to say really.