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Friday Mailbag: Creepy incel explains why men should be glad to be raped

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It’s time for another roundup of Comments I Don’t Let Through Moderation! There are some doozies this time. Well, there always are, but these doozies are even doozier than usual.

I’ll start with some of the milder contributions before working up to the “holy shit an actual human being thinks that” ones.

First, a message to all of us who are not as tight as perhaps we should be:

And a low effort comment that might as well have been written by an alt-right comment generator:

you beta males are so funny it stops being annoying lololzz, go live in the friend zone forever cucks

This commenter has an interesting take on the perennial topic of sluts:

Most women and men are sluts. By its very definition it is to have many causal sexual partners. So for all you sluts at heart. please bend over and be at one with receiving a load… because at the end of the day. that is all you are good for!

I’m not quite sure if the banned commenter who calls himself “Beta Male Uprising” is a troll or not. On the one hand, he posts things like the comment below, full of fairly standard MGTOW/Incel rhetoric on what he sees as the inevitable revolution of angry beta males against their lady and lady-friendly oppressors:

Publisher of this website you are a complete fucking pathetic coward. Not allowing me to post my comments because huh duh triggered? Like I said history will remember the crimes of women, and the millions of lives lost. There will come a point where the rage of beta males outgrow their fear and the uprising happens, where normal gender relations are restored and resources distributed equally for men according to each type of what they are. If Trump loses his position, gets impeached because of you marxists the patriots will revolt and make sure he stays. Hate will always be stronger than that pathetic thing you call ‘love’ and we will be victorious. More progress has been achieved by hatred than anything else, a superior and powerful emotion in the psyche of mankind. Hate empowers, hate strengthens.

And then he starts going on about women “harvesting the male gaze” without permission to give themselves little tingles, which he thinks is basically the same as rape. This is an idea so simultaneously reprehensible and silly it’s hard to believe that even a self-professed Man Going His Own Way could possibly take it seriously.

And then there’s this one from a very angry incel — is there any other kind? — that you may want to skip unless you feel your blood pressure is dangerously low. Because this guy thinks that men who are raped should be thrilled to have gotten the attention.

I would like to leave a message for all you lucky mangina men out there that get what you complain as ‘raped’, go fucking kill yourselves if you do not like it. You are miserable wastes of oxygen and I am also talking to those that got the fucks they needed in prison. Go end your miserable useless lives if you don’t like it either. We incels get nothing at all while you get everything yet whine about it, fuck you all.

I think this badger has the right idea:

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brian
brian
3 years ago

RAPE IS NOT SEX
this shouldn’t be a difficult concept to grasp

GrumpyOld SocialJusticeMangina
GrumpyOld SocialJusticeMangina
3 years ago

@Brian But it’s not really sex that these guys want.

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
3 years ago

@GrumpyOldSocialJusticeMangina

“Women never have to risk or dirty their hands in order to get what they need to survive.”

Apparently he has never met a nurse or a nurse’s aid, a few dozen of whom have dirtied their hands helping to keep this old codger alive.

I appreciate your comment.

My late mother raised four children, toiled in our large gardens, kept the walls of our home free of the coal dust that the furnace generated, and for more than 30 years worked as an RN, cleaning, tending to, and saving the lives of old people and newborns. That’s a lot of soil, a lot of grime, a lot of bedpans, and a lot of diapers.

Incels, along with the rest of the manosphere, never allow themselves to be troubled by something as trivial as reality.

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
3 years ago

@Mcbender
I’m so sorry to hear about that terrible experience.

I hope that you’ve been able to come to some sense of peace about what you’ve been through.

Laugher at Bigots, Low-T Inbetweener Weener

Hate empowers; hate strengthens.

I know others have already made the Sith comparison, but you may want to revise your beliefs if they inspire you with the rhetoric of the Emperor from Star Wars.

I’ll not even touch the “IncelWhatever” person with a ten-metre pole.

Ooglyboggles
Ooglyboggles
3 years ago

@Mcbender
My condolences, the words escape me.

JS
JS
3 years ago

Heck, even a First Order Stormtrooper has a better sense of morality than these wonderful examples of terrible humanity.

GrumpyOld SocialJusticeMangina
GrumpyOld SocialJusticeMangina
3 years ago

@Kat — the thing is, when they use the word “woman”, they usually mean WILFs. They hardly even notice the dozens of “unfuckable” women they interact with every day. It doesn’t occur to them that the “fuckable” women are still basically normal women. I’ve had a number of young very attractive nurses care for me and I haven’t noticed that they are any different in how they do their jobs. When I was too sick to wipe my own butt, the more attractive ones did it just as conscientiously as the less attractive ones. (Obviously, I’m stereotyping nurses as women, but the vast majority are, and whether by nature or nurture, women tend to be better caregivers. [I think it is mostly because men aren’t taught and encouraged to be caregivers, and perhaps even more because caregiving is seriously undervalued and underpaid, but …])

Of the standard manosphere complaints, the one that I hate the most is the one about the war and the draft, because that one is personal with me. I spent 18 months in federal prison for refusing to go into the army during the Vietnam War, and it was definitely NOT women who started and promoted that war and tried to send me to fight it.

The one that I think is most ridiculous is the one about child-support; the big babies who don’t want to support their children don’t seem to know enough math to understand that women get most of the money because most of the time they are the custodial parent (in name or in fact). As a divorced dad who got custody of his children, I can assure you that I didn’t seek custody because I was laboring under the delusion that child-rearing is easier than paying child support. The manospherians don’t ever seem to realize what a sorry bunch of whiners they come across as.

GrumpyOld SocialJusticeMangina
GrumpyOld SocialJusticeMangina
3 years ago

I forgot the mention the eight nurses killed in the Vietnam War.

Sister Bat'leth of Rational Discussion
Sister Bat'leth of Rational Discussion
3 years ago

@ Ashara Payne: They’ll start bitching that she’s too passive, she won’t do enough bjs or won’t do anal or won’t let him tape said bjs or whatever. Then they’ll bitch about her not making him enough sammitches.

And eventually the woman gets tired of hearing him bitch and dumps him, and then he whines about that.

@ Checkmate: I think what that’s supposed to mean is that women notice and remember every asshole who leers at them, and then use those memories as masturbation fodder. Yeah, pull the other one, mate — it’s got bells on.

@ Victorious Parasol: Bravo!

@ mcbender: Hearing and witnessing. I can’t offer you anything beyond compassion, but you can have as much of that as you want.

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
3 years ago

@Beta Men’s Uprising

http://i.imgur.com/hm48x2m.gif

(His last sock got banned before I finished this, so I might as well post it here instead. =P)

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
3 years ago

@Beta Men’s Uprising

http://i.imgur.com/C91urUy.gif

(His last sock got banned before I finished this, so I might as well post it here instead. =P)

Valentine
Valentine
3 years ago

Mcbender – my sympathy to you. But you phrased very well when you said that macho culture hurting men too.

Off topic but little bit funny, nothing saying ‘i am afraid of strong women because of my insecurity’ like this recent article on RoK:

http://www.returnofkings.com/123000/professional-female-fighting-is-grotesque-and-must-be-banned

EJ (the Scheming Liberal Race-Traitor)

My sympathies and my hugs, mcbender.

I admire you for being able to talk about it: our society is awful to men who’ve gone through anything that society considers to be “unmanly.”

That these dudes would dare to use you as a talking point for their wallowing-in-self-pity smug-fuck narcissistic-gloom rants, is just unacceptable.

brian
brian
3 years ago

@GrumpyOld SocialJusticeMangina
My comment was in response to the incel who says men are “lucky” to be raped. That post conflates sex and rape, imo.

Arctic Ape
Arctic Ape
3 years ago

“The most unselfish and righteous, most moral beings are men”

Except when you ask them to take care of Chad’s offspring. Or their own, if they happen to be Chad.

Francesca Torpedo, Femoid Special Forces Major
Francesca Torpedo, Femoid Special Forces Major
3 years ago

CW: rape

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…..

I guarantee you that incel would not like it if I raped him – and I am more than capable of doing so, since I’m a very strong girl who works out, lifts weights, etc.

This is an exceedingly grim joke and I apologize in advance, it’s just that he reminded me of these bathroom panic people who like to say that transwomen like me exist solely as Rape Machines who follow you in bathrooms and rape you.

I’m not a fucking rapist, so I would never do this, of course. I’m very proud of that. Being a nice lady who only has consensual sex with people is fucking classy as fuck.

Deathtothefilth
Deathtothefilth
3 years ago

I’ll tell you what my incel friend. You can have my rapes, all 3, even the one committed by a woman. You’re welcome to them. I doubt you’d feel the same about them once you’d had them, but if you want them, they’re yours. I don’t need the ptsd cluttering up my brain anyways.

Deathtothefilth
Deathtothefilth
3 years ago

@mcbender.
Yeah, I still have people I know who think my rape at the hands of a woman wasn’t “a big deal”. And these folks are the same who were up in arms and looking for the guy who roofied and raped me at a party.
It’s a weird double standard. Any other crime it wouldn’t make sense “oh you weren’t really upset by a woman shooting you in the face were you?”

PeeVee the (Timber-Rattling Booger Slut, But Noice) Sarcastic
PeeVee the (Timber-Rattling Booger Slut, But Noice) Sarcastic
3 years ago

Deathtothefilth,

I am so sorry you went through that.

Francesca Torpedo, Femoid Special Forces Major
Francesca Torpedo, Femoid Special Forces Major
3 years ago

@Death

Yeah, I still have people I know who think my rape at the hands of a woman wasn’t “a big deal”.

In Bird Person culture, we call these people evil assholes.

Ooglyboggles
Ooglyboggles
3 years ago

@Deathtothefilth
Those people are trash heaps and don’t deserve a second of your time.

Deathtothefilth
Deathtothefilth
3 years ago

@ooglyboogles
Sadly I’m related to some of them. Honestly I cut most of them out of my life years ago though.
Story time. When I was 18 I was drugged and raped at a house party by the skeevy 40 year old guy who had bought the booze. I didn’t go to the cops because I thought I’d get in trouble for drinking under age.
A few months later a female friend who was at a party I was at didn’t take “no, I’m drunk and tired” for an answer, and decided the fact that I got hard = consent for oral sex after which she hopped on for a ride, I was still young and thought that guys just don’t turn down sex, had no clue how I was supposed to feel about it.
Couple these things with being deeply closeted due to a repressive religious upbringing and you had a recipe for me trying to drink myself to death from ages 18-26.
At 26 I came out as pansexual, first to myself and my wife, then to others. A year later I was forced into oral sex by 2 guys in a gay bar bathroom.
So that’s my sexual assault history. Like I said, Mr incel is more than welcome to it.

Francesca Torpedo, Femoid Special Forces Major
Francesca Torpedo, Femoid Special Forces Major
3 years ago

@Death

Holy shit, that’s fucking terrible. I am so sorry.

Also, that last story is really indicative of all the gross shit that happens in gay culture that nobody likes to talk about.

Let’s just say I’ve heard a lot of stories like yours, and nobody believes them because gays are just soooooo nice, doncha know, and they’d never hurt a fly, and etc.

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
3 years ago

@Death

Goddamn, I’m so sorry. =/ If you need a hug, please take one.

mcbender
3 years ago

@Deathtothefilth
I don’t know what to say either, except that that’s a horrible thing to say to someone and anyone who would is a terrible person and lacks all empathy.

You sound like you’ve been through a lot. I wish I could do more than just acknowledge that it was horrible and nobody deserves to have that done to them.

If I can speculate a bit, I think part of the reason some people have a hard time wrapping their heads around female rapists (and male victims) is a perception that rape = penetration and therefore how on earth can someone do that without a penis??? And then on top of that there’s an idea floating around that people with penises can’t be raped because erections = consent or something (not true at all, of course, but some people seem to really think this).

It all goes hand-in-hand with various simplistic (and often phallocentric) ideas we have in our culture about what sex is and is not, and anything that doesn’t fit that simplistic mould often ends up just being incomprehensible to people who insist on maintaining that perspective. I try to push back against these ideas when I can, but there’s only so much I find myself able to do…

Francesca Torpedo, Femoid Special Forces Major
Francesca Torpedo, Femoid Special Forces Major
3 years ago

@Mcbender

Generally speaking, from what I understand if you touch someone without their consent, that’s rape. It has nothing to do with penetration, which is the basis of all the gross shit people say like “I didn’t actually penetrate her, so it’s not rape!”

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

Deathtothefilth,

Seconding the hugs if you’d like them.

I didn’t go to the cops because I thought I’d get in trouble for drinking under age.

This is why I hate when universities respond to incidents of sexual assault involving alcohol by deciding to crack down on alcohol on campus. It seems to me like all that will do will make victims who drunk afraid to report. Which is probably the point. If victims don’t report, then the sexual assault rate looks low.

It’s not just on universities of course. Everyone knows that the criminal justice system is good at punishing drugs and underage drinking and bad at punishing rape so of course victims are often to report if alcohol or drugs are involved.

Deathtothefilth
Deathtothefilth
3 years ago

Thanks everyone for the kind words.
@mcbender,
Yeah, I wrote up my history above shortly after my first reply to you. It’s exactly that, the girl assumed that because I got hard that meant consent.

Now here’s the thing, I didn’t have sex education. My mother started 3 “pregnancy care centers” when I was a kid, and I spent my childhood surrounded by screaming people at protests holding pictures of dismembered fetuses. When I first became sexuality active it was at 15.I had no clue about consent at all, just was fooling around with my girlfriend and stuck my hand down her pants. Looking back I’m horrified, if she hadn’t been into it at the time, I’d have had no clue that I’d done anything wrong (luckily she was raring to go on that front).
Up until I was 17 I was having sex without a condom, because I’d been taught that condoms didn’t work. In fact the mantra was essentially “if you have sex with a condom in you’ll get the girl pregnant get AIDS and die”.
I was supremely lucky that the two girls I dated during that time were on birth control and that my 3rd girlfriend had the patience to explain condoms to me. Had that not been the case, I’d have become a father way before I was ready to be one.
So yeah, I’m a pretty fucked up individual. But hey, I’ve got a loving wife, 2 grown stepkids who are doing well and 2 great young kids of my own. So I guess it all worked out. (And it doesn’t hurt that my wife is cool with me having a boyfriend)

JS
JS
3 years ago

TW: more harassment/consent discussion

The whole “orgasms equal consent” thing… NO, no no no, no no… Pretty much anyone with a functioning sex organ can be forced to orgasm whether they want to or not.

Francesca Torpedo, Femoid Special Forces Major
Francesca Torpedo, Femoid Special Forces Major
3 years ago

@Death

For what it’s worth, I think you’re a good person. It may not mean much from this random Internet person, but I genuinely care about you and hope you succeed at your endeavors.

A lot of people would have taken your experiences as reason to be shitty and inflict pain on others. I’m really glad your relationships are doing well, too.

You seem like a good parent and I’m sure your kids are gonna be just awesome.

Deathtothefilth
Deathtothefilth
3 years ago

@weirwood
Hell, I didn’t bother reporting the later assault (my timeline was wrong, my son had been born by then so it was only about 3 years ago, when I was 31) to the police because this is Indiana. No joke I know for a fact that they wouldn’t investigate it and it’d be a waste of time. Since I’d been drinking (was in fact way too drunk when it happened) they’d just say that I had done shit while drunk and regretted the hookup so was trying to be a drama queen about it.
So instead of going to the cops I just told the bartender and made sure they knew what the guy looked like, as that was a more effective way of keeping him from predation at least at that bar than going to the cops would be.

Francesca Torpedo, Femoid Special Forces Major
Francesca Torpedo, Femoid Special Forces Major
3 years ago

@JS

I agree.

You know what’s classy? Obtaining informed consent from your partner. That’s super classy.

I’ve heard people on the internet complaining about how consent culture takes all the fun out of finding partners; I vehemently disagree, preferring to associate with classy, refined individuals who also prioritize informed consent.

I’ve been around too many people who don’t take consent seriously, and have grown to find that they’re all pretty gross and enjoy being gross around other people. I do not recommend it at all.

Deathtothefilth
Deathtothefilth
3 years ago

@Francesca for real. I have cut off plenty of hookups with guys for them crossing bounties without checking with me first. Even if it’s something I’d be into if I’d been asked.
TMI warning: if you don’t want to hear about my sex life skip the rest.

A good example. Hooked up with a guy and was going down on him. All of a sudden he’s grabbing the back of my head and just ramming my face. Hard.
Here’s the thing, I’m down for that as a general thing, but not if A. I have no clue it’s about to happen and B. You don’t even ask if I’m cool work getting face fucked.
So he got shoved away and then got aggresive enough I had to hike the butt of my pistol out of my pocket to where he could see I was carrying.

Deathtothefilth
Deathtothefilth
3 years ago

@Francesca
Thanks, it means more than you might think.

Ooglyboggles
Ooglyboggles
3 years ago

@Deathtothefilth
You sounds like an awesome parent and loving partner, congratulations for being a good and caring person in spite of all those awful things.

Sigurd
Sigurd
3 years ago

I would’ve liked to write something here relating to McBender’s experience, but it seems I’m not entirely able to. So, I’ll leave that for now.

I’ll just say, that this is one of the ways how patriarchy, gender models and rape culture hurt us all.

A man is then just expected, or goaded into, ‘enjoying’ whatever bit of sex happens to bump up against them. And when they don’t, that is–to put it mildly–frowned upon. Just, the last fucking thing I was, was ‘glad’. These people have no fucking conception of how fucking anything works. Fuck the fuck off, seriously.

(TLDR: I had some drugs. I didn’t want to have sex. I said so. It happened anyway. By now, it was a long time ago. And now I’m fine. But, for a long time I wasn’t.)

Z&T
Z&T
3 years ago

Hugs to all from us too ~

I’m not entirely sure what to say.

Similar things did happen to me too, but in my case I was able to fight the attacker (s)off. In one case it might’ve been robbery motivated, I don’t know.

The truly scary one –

(Warning, may be triggering) –

My exH who I thought I knew. Who was basically trying to “stealth” me to get me pregnant. I’ll leave it at that. It was more ‘sneaky’ than violent.

I know others – my friend peering over my shoulder right here! many others, and once I figured out what ‘this is’ – I found innumerable stories online too.

Another term for it is “Reproductive Coercion”.

More info here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reproductive_coercion

I feel very strongly about this because it almost happened to me. I feel I have a duty to warn others.

msexceptiontotherule
msexceptiontotherule
3 years ago

You’d think that masturbation would help eliminate some of their incel-angst-y feelings. Even a hate-wank might help!

Women are not rungs on a ladder, nor a grouping of holes to stick a dick into. Hey Incels: your attitude towards women is only *one* of the things wrong with you.

Incels’ “suffering” is of their own making, if they weren’t such absolute and complete assholes, if they started to view women as people, they might actually be on their way to becoming decent human beings with more than a snowball’s chance in hell of having sex with a living, consenting person.

adam
adam
3 years ago

He’s such a cartoon villain! “..that pathetic thing you call ‘love’ ”
hahaha wow, W O W

Deathtothefilth
Deathtothefilth
3 years ago

@Sigurd
Sorry to hear that. I had a very similar thing happen to me (it’s chronicled upthread)
There’s more of us male survivors than people think. And look! Somehow, even though we’ve ACTUALLY BEEN SEXUALITY ASSAULTED, BY WOMEN NO LESS, we somehow manage to be decent human beings who consider women to be people, as opposed to the incels and miggytoes who think of women as livestock, cheeseburgers, etc.
And what really makes me angry is that they use the experiences of male rape victims as a club against feminists, who are the only group actually trying to help male rape victims.

AsAboveSoBelow
AsAboveSoBelow
3 years ago

Super-late to this conversation, but I wanted to extend sympathy and good wishes to mcbender, Deathtothefilth, and Sigurd. I am so sorry that happened to you. It makes my heart ache.

There are quite a few of us “survivors” around here. I’m glad we can be here for each other.

TheKND
TheKND
3 years ago

O_O
Well… It seems that Mr “Beta Man’s Uprising” has always assumed that Skeletor was the good guy and now follows his idol.

Saint
Saint
3 years ago

Sorry to Necro’ a dead thread, but I’d really love to do a dramatic reading of this “comment’s I don’t let through” series. Would it be okay for me to use these articles and post the video when completed? I don’t know if I’ll make the video private or public yet, and it would be my first time doing it so I don’t know if the quality would be very good.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

Saint,

The best way to contact David to ask a question would probably be via email. I’m betting it’ll be okay though. Readers have done dramatic readings before and some of them have even gotten their own post.