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MGTOWs agree: Women are objectively ugly; only male lust makes them seem sorta hot

Area man discovers that women are secretly unattractive and vaginas are weird

Ladies! The jig is up! Men are discovering that even though some of you seem, like, really hot, you’re actually all quite unattractive!

In the Men Going Their Own Way subreddit, a few of the more enlightened souls have uncovered the secret truth about women: they’re basically weird and disgusting and only male sexual desire makes them seem sexy.

EndlessPontification 15 points 1 day ago A lot of mgtow men still have trouble understanding that women are vastly inferior to men in pretty much every way. Women aren't even attractive, it's the male sex-drive, cultural indoctrination, and makeup that makes them appear to be. Strip all of that away and shave her head? Her outside will match her inside, as she'll look like an autistic freak permalinkembedsavereportgive goldreply [–]LemonZeppelin27 5 points 1 day ago I have thought about this. Objectively, the vagina is really weird and boobs just exist. But the male sex drive makes them appear to be attractive. You hear blue pill guys saying "I love women" but I just don't love women. I'm not even sure if I like women. At best, I am ambivalent towards women. permalinkembedsaveparentreportgive goldreply [–]Muginns 3 points 1 day ago They are supposed to be a support to men, and a way to give birth and/or nurture children, but they have to go and fuck it all up.

I don’t want to alarm any of the fellas who might be reading this, but I have heard that most if not all females are also infested with cooties. Best stay away!

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cornychips
cornychips
4 years ago

@chessman

Sorry I don’t care about your boner. Was that adult enough for you?

Will you actually respond to me? You didn’t when the nightmare troll was threatening rape upon commenters. You were in that thread but very silent about that form of cyber bullying. Your silence condemns your true thoughts.

You see, every thread you come into, regular readers can smell your dishonesty miles away.

Was that adult enough for you? Or is my nym masculine enough for you to read? You don’t fool anybody here. At least make another sock puppet.

cornychips
cornychips
4 years ago

@ Chessman

I’m curious to know what YOUR exact definition of cyber bullying means. I want to know what it means to you, not wiki, but you.

Hambeast, disorderly she-tornado and breaker of windows
Hambeast, disorderly she-tornado and breaker of windows
4 years ago

Knitting Cat Lady said

When will the MGTOWs fucking go their own way already?!

That’s turning out to be a question for the ages.

Inconstant Reader – loved the video, it reminded me of this

From the old days of Dr. Demento (before syndication.)

ETA – And now I’m off to make some dinner! ===> whoosh!

JS
JS
4 years ago

@Chessman You are clearly someone who doesn’t like, or respond, to cyber bullying. Could you explain why you said nothing about “YourGreatestNightmare” bullying the rest of us earlier?

@Earlier picture on page 2: Nice cabbages.

Haise, the husky puppy
Haise, the husky puppy
4 years ago

You’re not being bullied, Chessman.

On a previous topic discussing how some mgtow (not all men) want to dehumanize women by viewing them as pieces of meat to bury their attractions towards them, you state “can someone explain to me how this is even misogynistic…? if anything this looks more like a misandrist hit-piece;

None here have to hold your hand while we walk through explaining that women are, indeed, human like you. Many do not, in fact, want to hurt you or be anyway malicious towards you. We simply want to live our lives peacefully. I can hope you can realize that on your own as an adult. It isn’t bullying to point up some flaws in your statements.

And here, ‘harvesting gazes to get free shit’ sounds like your own fears of, I assume, losing what you’ve earned or being taking advantage of manifesting and projecting onto strangers. Most women these days, as Fishy Goat mentioned, have jobs and can pay for their stuff. An even on dates, it’s pretty common to split the bill. The 1950s are over, and they aren’t coming back.

Francesca Torpedo, Femoid Special Forces Major
Francesca Torpedo, Femoid Special Forces Major
4 years ago

Some folks were talking about how they wish they could make their overly large boobs transfer some of their weight to other girls in need.

I desire much larger boobs. I need them so that I can properly do the thing and be an Evil Sorceress in real life. It’s part of the uniform, along with wearing tight black leather bikinis and a cape.

I also want people to look at me because I’m ridiculous.

dslucia
dslucia
4 years ago

Chessman’s definition of “cyber bullying” appears to be “literally everything that doesn’t address me in any way that assumes I’m royalty”.

PeeVee the (Timber-Rattling Booger Slut, But Noice) Sarcastic
PeeVee the (Timber-Rattling Booger Slut, But Noice) Sarcastic
4 years ago

Chessman barges into someone’s house, takes a shit on their floor, lies about it, and then claims victimization because nobody applauds him, misrepresenting a very real phenomena as what is happening to him.

Dude, we know what the bullshit “harvesting male gazes” is about. We know more about your movement than you do.

Sigh. You’re not being cyber-bullied. Grow up.

WWTH,

How odd! I’m revisiting that Martin thread right now!

PaganReader - Misandrist Spinster

her GG’s

I got a sympathy backache just thinking about that

I’m curious to know what YOUR exact definition of cyber bullying means

Wymmens not fawning all over him and offering to suck his peepee, obvi

Brony, Social Justice Cenobite

Sorry for the lateness. Social anxiety makes posting complicated. For some reason only the troll confrontation makes sense all of the time.

@Francesca Torpedo

My personal signature OC is a tiny Zebra filly who makes hotdogs.

She evolved into a super sexy Royal Equestrian Space Marine after other people started drawing her, though.

I’m okay with these things. I say ‘personal signature OC’ because I’ve made other throwaway OCs to support my fanfics or flesh out my fanfic worlds, but they do not represent me personally.

I could totally see your OC selling hot dogs on the streets of Manehattan( assuming omnivory was allowed). OC’s were one of my favorite parts of the fandom. Some of the most beautiful artwork came out of people’s representations of themselves.

I get the transforming self-representation thing. It manifested differently in my interactions with the brony community though. I was spending a lot of time on an MLP-themed image board for several years and I was one of those people that had to post a pony pic with every post, often to create emotional subtext. I started out a Pinkie Pie poster, switched to Twilight Sparkle and started on Discord shortly before I last existed that social space. My Pinkie Pie reaction image folder has 1,063 pictures.

I did not feel I had the creativity to make a good ponysona and actually making me as a pony felt oddly uncomfortable, I liked seeing what others made though. I was one of the ones very confused about why I liked the show so much.

@Paradoxical Intention

I had two. I had a blank flank adventurer Pegasus who was very sensitive about her magically altered appearance, and who left her oppressive mining town home to find her fortune.

And a porn star unicorn.

Of course, I kept the second one mostly to myself. It is a kid’s show after all.

If it’s ok to ask what is the story behind the first, and where did the second end up being expressed? Sometimes I feel a bit jealous, I can’t think of characters so I’m basically a self inserter with everything headcannon/fandom related.

IgnoreSandra
IgnoreSandra
4 years ago

@Francesca

I want bigger boobs too. It’ll really help my Succubus halloween costume, and also me.

Then I can do the whole evil seductress thing if I wanna, or more likely break men’s faces if they’re dicks about me looking amazing. But mostly, I wanna wear dresses that look natural. Most dresses are designed around the wearer having boobs, for reasons that make some sense.

I had a similar conversation with a friend who didn’t want their uterus and period stuff. Ah well. Life doesn’t give us what we want.

Also, I’ve spent the day hugging stuffed animals. I feel accomplished <3 Can never do that too much. Something about the different sensations from holding one really close to not doing that and it just helps me.

Also, apparently it's now "Cyber bullying" to call a troll a troll, even after the troll explicitly supports genocide.

LindsayIrene, Rioting Werebonobo

dinners, movie tickets, dollar bills etc

the various spoils of hypergamous predations

Huh. Back when I had an amazing 38-26-36 figure, I got none of those things. I did get free drugs sometimes. And motorcycle rides. All the biker dick I wanted. The occasional pinch on the ass by a guy with a hook for a hand. I think I did my male gaze harvesting wrong.

Francesca Torpedo, Femoid Special Forces Major
Francesca Torpedo, Femoid Special Forces Major
4 years ago

@Brony

Well, my thing was this: at the time I entered the fandom years ago (2013), at this time the show and the fandom were both horribly Eurocentric, what with Equestria being a simulacrum of America and the UK, and since your ponysona is supposed to be a 1:1 representation of yourself, I settled on a zebra because at the time the fandom’s prevailing atttitudes dictated that zebras were analogous to black people, and normal ponies were white people.

Furthermore, since I wanted her to be interesting and subversive, I decided that if she was from Zebrica, she would be from a part of Zebrica that is similar to the Muslim-held areas of Africa, since Zebrica=Africa, and so she wore a hijab.

When people started drawing her as a Space Marine I had them draw her wearing a skintight spacesuit and a space hijab.

Kinda like this:

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I like the fandom because it reminds me of how we used to just make a lot of original characters and custom stories in the Star Wars fandom. It’s as flexible as the Star Wars fandom was: if you want to make a neo-noir story, you can. Medieval fantasy? Sure. Sci-fi? Yep.

And so on.

@Sandra

Same, with the dresses. I also want to look stunning in a bikini.

I had a similar conversation with a friend who didn’t want their uterus and period stuff. Ah well. Life doesn’t give us what we want.

I would like larger hips and a narrower waist and smaller shoulders, mostly.

PeeVee the (Timber-Rattling Booger Slut, But Noice) Sarcastic
PeeVee the (Timber-Rattling Booger Slut, But Noice) Sarcastic
4 years ago

I took a pocketbook full of Male Harvested Gazes and tried to pay for some groceries with them.

The cashier wanted money! Even after I helpfully explained that Chessman said it’s a valid form of currency.

Harrumph! I had to get out my debit card, loaded with money I earned from my job!

THE GAZE IS A LIE!

Lea
Lea
4 years ago

The real problem Chesyman has with a woman enjoying being looked at is consent ruins the fun for him.

When a man enjoys looking at a woman, the person benefiting is the man. He is deriving pleasure from seeing her. The pleasure is his alone.

When a woman knows men are looking and enjoying looking and she enjoys them enjoying looking, the benfit is mutual.

Now, a man noticing beauty in a woman no more takes anything from her than he could take from a sunset, so long as he leaves it at quiet appreciation. She takes nothing from him, just as a sunset takes nothing from people who enjoy looking at it.

If he doesn’t like looking, same thing. She has lost and gained nothing either way.

But for men like Cheesy, everything is a zero sum game. If he looks and likes he has, to his estimation, taken something from her. If she likes him looking, he has scored no points in his bent mental game.

If many men enjoy looking and she enjoys them all looking, he sees her as scoring more points. He has been beaten in a game only he is playing.

This is why men like him enjoy seeing nudes that women meant to be private, but hate women who share their nudes openly.

It isn’t “vanity” that disturbs him. It is that he can’t take from her what she is happy to share.

Falconer
Falconer
4 years ago

I must have counted wrong, because I thought I would get two more male gaze harvests before summer, but it’s already Spring 20 and it looks like I’ll only get one more harvest, and then I’ll have to find something else to plant for the rest of the season.

@SFHC, cuss you for making me almost bust out laughing in front of my kids. Far too much to explain! Plus they’re better off not knowing who Alex Jones is yet.

dreemr
dreemr
4 years ago

@PeeVee – your male gazes must have expired? I mean, I just can’t imagine how that went wrong?

Regarding boobage: I’ve known a few women, I think 3 or 4, that got breast augmentation. One was a breast cancer survivor, one was a very slim woman who had just always wanted slightly larger breasts, and I can’t remember why the other 2 had the procedure. None of them got anything out of proportion with her frame or anything.

But I have known far more women that have had breast reduction surgery. The backaches, the neckaches, the straps digging in, the incredibly expensive custom-made bras (when you can even find them, let alone afford them), the poorly-fitting clothing, all of it is a nightmare, from what I gather. I can easily name a dozen women of my acquaintance, and if I sat and thought about it probably another 5 or 6 would come to mind.

I personally always had fairly middling breasts (B-cup) being from a line of women with more of the “junk in the trunk” kind of build than the busty type. That changed when I breastfed, though, and they never really did go back to their original size, although now I’m older and waaay fatter and they are waaay saggier.

Good thing I harvested all that valuable male gaze when I had the chance!

dreemr
dreemr
4 years ago

Also, this was on Twitter today and I just have to put it somewhere because it is impossibly cute and awesome:

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Lea
Lea
4 years ago

And again we see that Cheesy refuses to join us in reality.

You need to find an excuse for how angry it makes you that attraction is often a one way street. You enjoy pretending to believe having a body you want but can’t touch, makes a woman greedy in some way. You feel like she is depriving you, owes you. She doesn’t.

You want to believe there is something wicked about a woman who enjoys being desired, just like you wish you could enjoy being desired but cannot. You’re jealous and bitter.

As to what women actually get for men liking the look of them, Emily Autumn says it better than I can.
https://youtu.be/axPe_p0OLcY

Childrenofthebroccoli
Childrenofthebroccoli
4 years ago

Relevant to the earlier discussion of bald ladies, here’s a video of Karen Gillan getting her head shaved for Guardians of the Galaxy.

Bina
4 years ago

@Trollman:

men in general prefer real breasts but since bigger size means she can harvest more male gaze in public, a woman wants to get the most male gaze from the widest variety of men so from pure vanity gets implants

Actually, a sickle works better for that.

Works great on dicks, too.

IgnoreSandra
IgnoreSandra
4 years ago

@Francesca

OOOH. I really do wanna wear a bikini sometime and have it look, like, half decent. I think I could be amazing.

But I’m more a fan of formal ballgowns. I really like them, with the petticoats and the detailing and crap I love em.

Bina
4 years ago

@Trollman:

sorry i only respond to a post if it’s communicated to me on an adult level – not really into the whole cyber bully thing it’s annoying

Oh my, aren’t we giving ourself airs all of a sudden. Since when have you been an adult? All you do is take juvenile swipes at this page and pester the regulars. Shoo, kid.

MrsObedMarsh
MrsObedMarsh
4 years ago

@Chessman:

I am also interested in your definition of cyber-bullying, and whether or not threatening to rape somebody over the Internet counts. I hope I’ve expressed my request in a sufficiently mature way. Thank you in advance for your response.

epitome of incomprehensibility

For real, though, being bi/pan is awesome. I feel like I would be missing out on so much if I was merely monosexual.

@LindsayIrene – I concur. As Anne of Green Gables says, more scope for the imagination. 🙂

Re: male gaze: lately, I’ve had two men look at me – and talk to me – just because I was reading books that they liked or were curious about. Neither seemed very interested in my breasts. Does that count?

Mish of the Catlady Ascendancy
Mish of the Catlady Ascendancy
4 years ago

@Brony,

First, hi and how are you?
Second,

Social anxiety makes posting complicated. For some reason only the troll confrontation makes sense all of the time.

That’s interesting. If/when you have a moment, would you mind elaborating? No worries if not 🙂

brian
brian
4 years ago

I mean, the migtoes in the post are right, technically. NOTHING is “objectively attractive” unless we’re talking about, like, magnetic attraction or something. all attraction is subjective and about shit like cultural ideals, personal preferences, and how the chemicals in your brain happen to be firing off at the moment…

that said, I definitely find migtoes subjectively gross as shit.

Steven Dutch
Steven Dutch
4 years ago

@Z&T. I for one, as a guy, see nothing whatsoever attractive about people looking like they’re trying to smuggle cantaloupes out under their shirt. Your plan at least has the merit that you can remove the add-ons if they get uncomfortable or tiresome.

I am in continuing awe of the weird names people use here. I feel so unoriginal for actually using a real name.

IgnoreSandra
IgnoreSandra
4 years ago

@Steven Dutch

Real names are for losers. *Avoids mirror*

I personally don’t understand people who use real names online. I’m used to a variety of pseudonyms.

kupo
kupo
4 years ago

@Steven Dutch
I’m jealous that guys are able to use real names without fear.

MrsObedMarsh
MrsObedMarsh
4 years ago

I am in continuing awe of the weird names people use here. I feel so unoriginal for actually using a real name.

Mine is a literary reference! 😀

Francesca Torpedo, Femoid Special Forces Major
Francesca Torpedo, Femoid Special Forces Major
4 years ago

@Steve

I, for one, would really like to have big, round, juicy cantaloupes.

IgnoreSandra
IgnoreSandra
4 years ago

@Francesca

I used to love cantaloupes and watermelons.

I’d personally be happy with something like three golf balls merged into one ball.

dreemr
dreemr
4 years ago

@Steven Dutch – since I’m a woman online, I learned a long time ago not to use my real name.

Tara the Antisocial Social Worker
Tara the Antisocial Social Worker
4 years ago

@Hambeast

I still have that album on vinyl. Love it!

LindsayIrene, Rioting Werebonobo

I for one, as a guy, see nothing whatsoever attractive about people looking like they’re trying to smuggle cantaloupes out under their shirt.

Yeah, well, some of us have no choice in the matter, unless someone’s willing to cough up dough for a reduction.

Banananana dakry: Fat, Short-Haired, and Deranged
Banananana dakry: Fat, Short-Haired, and Deranged
4 years ago

@LindsayIrene

This. If I’m not careful when gaming at a computer, I can get staggering headaches from the fact all that chestal lard is yanking at my shoulders and most of all my neck. The pain from getting up and feeling a vice ratchet around my neck as all the weight shifts is also pretty amazing, too. I’ve been in such pain I get nauseated.

Never mind having short arms and big hooters is like ahahaha can’t grab or tote anything anything large or wide without it sliding around and good luck with toting around shit guys take for granted. Ditto keyboarding. I feel like a goddamn penguin half the time.

We don’t have any choice in the matter, nope. I would seriously love to have a reduction, too. I envy the shit out of women that can just whip off the bra when they get home, because for me the bra is a total non-negotiable unless I want to be in agony. What some dude thinks about what should or shouldn’t be under my shirt is minimally applicable at best to my physical comfort.

@Francesca Torpedo

TAKE MEH BOOB FAT PLZ. Though honestly you might be thinking differently after a couple weeks of big ol’ norks weighing down your chest. They’re really not all they’re cracked up to be. Go for Cs if you must to fill out the cups.

But if you need to be an Evil Sorceress with huge boobs anyways, don’t take any pointers from Naga the White Serpent other than the bikini because god DAMN that laugh of hers is annoying.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

Raise your hand if you care about Steven’s boner.

Anyone?

Didn’t think so.

kupo
kupo
4 years ago

@wwth
Thanks. I got so focused on the privilege spewing forth over nyms that I forgot about how squicked out I got by the first part of that post.

I don’t care if you don’t care for my smuggled melons. I don’t want to harvest your gaze and I have no control over the size of my melons (thanks for literally comparing us to consumable objects) anyway. If I were to adjust the size of my melons, it would have precisely zero to do with you.

Dalillama: Irate Social Engineer

I, too want bigger boobs. Although if I say so myself I look damn good in a bikini.

@Bananana Dakry

They’re really not all they’re cracked up to be. Go for Cs if you must to fill out the cups.

That’s where I’m aiming.

@ Lea

The real problem Chesyman has with a woman enjoying being looked at is consent ruins the fun for him.

opposablethumbs
opposablethumbs
4 years ago

Lea, on the current trollikin and the troll’s relation to the whole male-gaze thing:

He has been beaten in a game only he is playing.

So nailed it.
Men who think like this aren’t enjoying the sight per se of whomever they may be looking at; they’re enjoying the power to impose themselves on someone, the more against their will the better. Goes together with cat-calling, I think – the whole point is to display the power to interrupt someone and intrude on them, and it’s a huge bonus if they manage to make somebody else uncomfortable.

Banananana dakry: Fat, Short-Haired, and Deranged
Banananana dakry: Fat, Short-Haired, and Deranged
4 years ago

@Dalillama

Yeah, I think anything more than a C would be overkill. In more than one sense. >_<

Dalillama: Irate Social Engineer

@Banananana Dakry

Also I don’t like bras, and don’t want to have to wear one, and I’m aware that not wearing one is uncomfortable at larger sizes.

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
4 years ago

@Steven Dutch

I am in continuing awe of the weird names people use here. I feel so unoriginal for actually using a real name.

Personally, I feel fine about using my real name and job title.

misophistry
misophistry
4 years ago

I think the only man who ever paid for my dinner and bought me movie tickets was my dad…

I bet a MGTOW could come up with a reeeeeeally creepy explanation of how this is still harvesting male gaze.

My husband has been known to buy ingredients for dinner and I think this is, in a very convoluted way, connected to how he feels about my boobs. I don’t know I’ll ask him.

I don’t think attractiveness can be measured objectively so so much for the OP.

misophistry
misophistry
4 years ago

I would never ever use my real name while arguing with alt-right trolls and MRAs its just not safe. They have no morals and no scruples.

Chessman
Chessman
4 years ago

Is it true that feminist women are just mad because mgtow men refuse to catcall them…? Isn’t mgtow theoretically the answer to feminist issues like the wage gap which is caused by female hypergamous predatory behaviors of relying on men whom they pressure and coerce into assuming the toxic male “provider” role…? catcalling? rape culture? etc… doesn’t it kinda make it seem like the real feminist agenda is stirring up misandry rather than addressing these gender issues which mgtow would theoretically solve…

Ooglyboggles
4 years ago

@Chessman
YAAAAAWWWWWNNNNN

Dalillama: Irate Social Engineer

Chessman’s reduced to copy pasting his own posts from a different thread. It’s getting boring;I vote ban.

Ooglyboggles
4 years ago

@Dalil
Seconding vote on ban. Chessman can’t even be arsed to rewrite material.