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MGTOWs agree: Women are objectively ugly; only male lust makes them seem sorta hot

Area man discovers that women are secretly unattractive and vaginas are weird

Ladies! The jig is up! Men are discovering that even though some of you seem, like, really hot, you’re actually all quite unattractive!

In the Men Going Their Own Way subreddit, a few of the more enlightened souls have uncovered the secret truth about women: they’re basically weird and disgusting and only male sexual desire makes them seem sexy.

EndlessPontification 15 points 1 day ago A lot of mgtow men still have trouble understanding that women are vastly inferior to men in pretty much every way. Women aren't even attractive, it's the male sex-drive, cultural indoctrination, and makeup that makes them appear to be. Strip all of that away and shave her head? Her outside will match her inside, as she'll look like an autistic freak permalinkembedsavereportgive goldreply [–]LemonZeppelin27 5 points 1 day ago I have thought about this. Objectively, the vagina is really weird and boobs just exist. But the male sex drive makes them appear to be attractive. You hear blue pill guys saying "I love women" but I just don't love women. I'm not even sure if I like women. At best, I am ambivalent towards women. permalinkembedsaveparentreportgive goldreply [–]Muginns 3 points 1 day ago They are supposed to be a support to men, and a way to give birth and/or nurture children, but they have to go and fuck it all up.

I don’t want to alarm any of the fellas who might be reading this, but I have heard that most if not all females are also infested with cooties. Best stay away!

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Citizen Rat
Citizen Rat
4 years ago

Translation: “It’s about MEEEE!!”

Sweet Merciless Leviathan, not even a woman’s hotness is her own! It’s the act of being perceived by men that makes them hot. The Want’em Observer Effect, if you will.

Otrame
Otrame
4 years ago

They just keep going further and further down that rabbit hole. eventually it will collapse and bury them.

That would be… bad?

dreemr
dreemr
4 years ago

Honestly, this one just makes me laugh and laugh and LAUGH!

Lea
Lea
4 years ago

Do you even science, bro? Sex drive does not determine the gender or genders you are attracted to and the male sex drive being greater than the female sex drive is a myth. People of every gender have various sex drives and no one has been found to be inherently hornier than the others.

Vaginas are weird? Dude, have you seen your balls?

Breasts just exist? Yeah, everything just exists. That doesn’t stop some of those things from being appealing.

Women are supposed to do whatever the fuck we want to do. We aren’t another resource for men to exploit. If nobody wants to support you and give you babies, take care of yourself and adopt or pay an assistant and a maid and hire a surrogate. You want women’s labor? Pay for it.

Lea
Lea
4 years ago

And wow, the ablism.

Zatar
Zatar
4 years ago

“Obejectivly the Vagina is just weird”

Yeah completely different from the dick right? God these guys are full of shit.

ETA: Ninja’d.

aster
aster
4 years ago

im a lesbian and the only objective truth here is that this guy’s opinion is objectively wrong

QuantumInc
QuantumInc
4 years ago

They sound like a straw man argument made by a lazy feminist, if it weren’t for the other examples David has compiled…

There must be a lot of MRAs and MGTOWs who feel the need to one-up the arguments they’ve already seen. Proving that you’re a REAL _____ by saying something a little bit more extreme than the others, but then nobody is willing to say it when they’ve gone too far. I think that’s how you get these bizarre and frightening extremists. In the very beginning they might be relatively reasonable position, however they all feel that the way to prove your loyalty to the idea and the group is to invent a version of that position that goes a little bit farther, an escalation of the existing ideology. Thus they inch towards the ridiculous and dangerous. Unless there is a powerful outside force to give them a reality check.

Haise, the husky puppy
Haise, the husky puppy
4 years ago

Muggins comment: “..They have to go and fuck it all up” translation: women want to be treated as human beings, how the fuck dare they, right guys?

It’s almost amazing how much they hate everything women yet cannot stop talking about women.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

Endless Pontification is such an apt name for an MGTOW.

Gaebolga
Gaebolga
4 years ago

Haise, the husky puppy wrote:

It’s almost amazing how much they hate everything women yet cannot stop talking about women.

Hatred and love are two sides of the same coin, so the saying goes…

Knitting Cat Lady
Knitting Cat Lady
4 years ago

When will the MGTOWs fucking go their own way already?!

DMW
DMW
4 years ago

Pfffftchahahaha. Okay, sure. Whatever helps you sleep at night!

All I’m gonna say is that when some dude resorts to the sad old, “Yeah, well you’re not even hot!” insult, they’ve lost their argument entirely.

Tov01
Tov01
4 years ago

Now that you found the Secret Dark Truth of Womanhood (TM), can you finally go your own way now?

(No. No they won’t)

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

Sweet Merciless Leviathan, not even a woman’s hotness is her own! It’s the act of being perceived by men that makes them hot. The Want’em Observer Effect, if you will.

Sadly, this is true outside of the manosphere. In pop culture, female sexuality is usually depicted as passive. If she pleases the male gaze, she is sexy, therefore sexual. Female sexual pleasure is depicted as obscene. Like when Blue Valentine famously got an NC-17 rating because of a scene that lacked full frontal nudity but did depict the Ryan Gosling character performing oral sex on the Michelle Williams character. On the other hand, depictions of women giving men blow jobs get R ratings. Female nudity that caters to the male gaze gets an R rating.

A lot of things that are sold as sexually empowering for women such as breast implants or stripper aerobics classes are things that please the male gaze but don’t generally give a women sexual pleasure. Not that there’s anything wrong with getting breast implants, learning to pole dance or dressing in skimpy clothing in and of themselves. Just pointing that it’s not a coincidence that things that cater to heterosexual male desire are a lot more likely to be depicted as empowering and representative of female sexuality than say, getting your first vibrator and learning what gets you off.

This also explains our former troll NWO Slave’s hilarious insistence that female sexuality consisted of wearing sexy clothes.

As usual, MGTOW get their misogyny from the culture as a whole. They just take it to extremes.

Blackrising
Blackrising
4 years ago

Male sex-drive? I’m a woman, so no.

Cultural indoctrination? Pretty sure culture has been telling me since forever I’m supposed to be after dick.

Make-up? I work in an environment where most women don’t wear it.

Huh, won’t you look at that, I still find women attractive. Who would have thought it all came down to viewing women as human beings instead of walking vaginas.

MrsObedMarsh
MrsObedMarsh
4 years ago

There’s a lot of stereotypes I’ve heard about people with ASD, but “bald” wasn’t one of them. You learn something new every day, I guess!

A Rose for Emily
A Rose for Emily
4 years ago

Objectively, vaginas are really weird and boobs just exist.

It’s true, you know. Think about it:

Try saying “boobs” to yourself over and over, until the word stops seeming to mean anything. Boobs. Boobs. Boobs. Boobs. Boobs. Boobs. Boobs. Boobs. Boobs. Boobs. Boobs. Boobs. Boobs. Boobs. Boobs. Boobs. Boobs. Boobs. Boobs. Boobs. Boobs. Boobs. Boobs. Boobs. Boobs.

Then, imagine boobs. Big boobs. Little boobs. Boobs on everything. Boobs on the wall, the floor, the ceiling. A coffee cup with boobs. A sofa with boobs. Bonobos with boobs. Bue-footed boobies with boobs. Boobs. Boobs. Boobs. Everywhere boobs.

Strange, innit? Like, why is that supposed to be erotic? What’s so exciting about boobs? Boobs. Boobs. Boobs.

Leaving vaginas as an exercise for the reader.

Helix_luco
Helix_luco
4 years ago

So ‘beauty is in the eye of the beholder’ is somehow big news to these guys, who apparently previously though that attractiveness was some kind of objective characteristic like mass? I guess that’s why they keep trying to describe it with unitless numbers.

Gaebolga
Gaebolga
4 years ago

Well to be fair, an object’s thermal state is, in fact, an objective characteristic.

So by that measure, all women are equally “hot”…

Chessman
Chessman
4 years ago

men in general prefer real breasts but since bigger size means she can harvest more male gaze in public, a woman wants to get the most male gaze from the widest variety of men so from pure vanity gets implants

Gaebolga
Gaebolga
4 years ago

And ones who are running a fever are even hotter!

…I’ll show myself out now….

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
4 years ago

@WWTH

I don’t know if you’ve seen this before, but even if you have, I might as well post it for the benefit of everyone else:

Basically sums up exactly what you said, but in the context of video games rather than movies.

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
4 years ago

@WWTH

I don’t know if you’ve seen this before, but even if you have, I might as well post it for the benefit of everyone else:

Basically sums up exactly what you said, but in the context of video games rather than movies.

leftwingfox
leftwingfox
4 years ago

Dafuq did I just read?

Lea
Lea
4 years ago

A Rose for Emily,
Lol, reminds me of Venture Brothers.

Scuba. Scuuuba. Scuba. Scuba. Scuba.

Nequam
Nequam
4 years ago

Look, I know implying that a lot of these guys are deep, deep in the closet is frowned on… but I really do wonder sometimes.

Inconstant Reader
Inconstant Reader
4 years ago

Made me think about this song (“just sacks of yellow fat”), except MGTOWs have no sense of humor:

ETA: Sorry, don’t know how to include a link; it doesn’t seem to be posting. Here’s the URL: https://youtu.be/aZx5zfkG6oU

This is only my first or second time commenting.

JS
JS
4 years ago

Yes! Yes! Oh! Yes! Finally we have harvested enough of Chessman’s Male Gaze to build a massive Virtual Feminist Rights Monument in the new freemium game Men’s Saga Angry Boob Crush!!

(Hey, it makes as much sense as your post)

Thanks! Now go your own way.

A Rose for Emily
A Rose for Emily
4 years ago

On a slightly more serious note, on the subject of “why are boobs ___?”

I forget where — I want to say Papua New Guinea, but possibly somewhere in Africa — women who go about topless all day were told by an interviewer that Western men find boobs sexually arousing. They laughed uproariously and asked whether they are also aroused by diapers. To them boobs are for nursing, not foreplay.

Eroticism is more culturally conditioned than we think. In some cultures, obsession with breasts would be considered a paraphilia.

LindsayIrene, Rioting Werebonobo

As a pan/bi woman, I know this is horseshit. Women are fucking hot. And a vagina is not necessary for a woman to be attractive to me, anyway. I almost feel sorry for this fool.

For real, though, being bi/pan is awesome. I feel like I would be missing out on so much if I was merely monosexual.

MrsObedMarsh
MrsObedMarsh
4 years ago

@Chessman:

I’m projected to produce only 12 bushels of male gaze this fall, but my boobs are already pretty big. Do you have any other advice on how I can make quota?

dreemr
dreemr
4 years ago

“Harvesting the male gaze”

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weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

men in general prefer real breasts but since bigger size means she can harvest more male gaze in public, a woman wants to get the most male gaze from the widest variety of men so from pure vanity gets implants

It must take effort to miss the point so much every single time.

I didn’t say that women don’t or shouldn’t want to ever attract desire from men if they are attracted to men. But that is not the one and only component of female sexuality. It is on the other hand, a component of female sexuality that society encourages because it pleases boners. Sexual pleasure and agency is something that society discourages. Society encourages male sexual pleasure and agency in a big way while not placing a big priority on catering to the female gaze. Why do you suppose that is?

I’ll give you a hint. The answer is not that women lack libido.

Of course, looking sexy is not actually the one and only reason women get breast implants. It’s a reason some women do. Some feel more comfortable and happy with larger breasts. Some had a masectomy because of breast cancer and want to return as much as possible to the way they looked before having cancer. It can be part of the healing process. Some are trans women who want more boob than medication can provide. Some want to attract the male gaze for business rather than vanity reasons because they are in an occupation where it is necessary such as exotic dancing or lingerie modeling. Some have mismatched breasts and get an implant in the smaller one so that they match. Some just like how it looks.

You really need to stop mansplaining about the motives of women because you don’t know what you are talking about.

Oh, and by the way, I’m a woman with large natural breasts who hopes to get a reduction one day. I’m also attracted to me and enjoy attracting men if they are men I’m also attracted to. If I had smaller breasts, my breasts would probably get ogled less. I’m all good with that. How can this be?

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

Too late to edit, but I mean attracted to men. Not attracted to me. Promise that wasn’t a Freudian slip 😀

dreemr
dreemr
4 years ago

I was able to retire thanks to my stockpile of male gaze.

It helps if you have a really good combine to help you when you’re harvesting.

Iseult The Idle
Iseult The Idle
4 years ago

Oh, you silly miggy-toes. Just go bloviate yourselves already.

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
4 years ago

Here’s a woman’s narrative about her own sexuality as she experiences it, not as some MGTOW insists she does. The title is sad but the author, who is strong and determined, is currently very much enjoying her sex life.


Experience: I lost the ability to orgasm

I hadn’t even had much sex yet, and I felt that a part of myself that I hadn’t explored was already lost

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2017/jun/02/experience-i-lost-ability-to-orgasm

Weatherwax
Weatherwax
4 years ago

Can someone provide me with a definition for “objective ugliness”?

I’ll wait…

Also

@Chessman

After I’ve “harvested the male gaze”, what product do I have in abundance that I can use? Either I’ve been doing it wrong this whole time or you’re misusing the word “harvest”.

I look forward to hearing your explanation as this has puzzled me for a while.

Thank you.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
4 years ago

Is there an EU quota for male gaze harvesting; and will that be affected by Brexit?

Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
4 years ago

Vaginae are actually super weird. Human bodies are weird generally, but vaginae are particularly squicky. As are penes. And eyes. And noses. And knees. And…

@Checkers

since bigger size means she can harvest more male gaze in public

Fat women tend to have larger breasts than skinny women. They must be raking in the gaze. Eat more, quit exercising, and alter your genetic code, ladies, or you’ll be left behind in this new, gaze based economy

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
4 years ago

men in general prefer real breasts but since bigger size means she can harvest more male gaze in public, a woman wants to get the most male gaze from the widest variety of men so from pure vanity gets implants

Not like Chessman, of course, who has no vanity at all. That’s why he insists on barging his way into feminists’ conversations, saying, I hate feminists! Pay attention!

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
4 years ago

How do larger breasts help a woman to harvest more male gaze? Is it a function of mass, or of surface area?

Lea
Lea
4 years ago

We’ve got a bumper crop of male gaze this year.

Gonna get a new tractor and a pump for the well with it.

Kivutar
Kivutar
4 years ago

I believe Schopenhauer made this claim at one point, no? Still garbage nonsense whoever says it.

MrsObedMarsh
MrsObedMarsh
4 years ago

@dreemr:

I’ll need to up my yield if I’m going to put my combine to good use. What kind of nutrients should I use? I’ve been putting on Monsanto’s Five-Inch-Heels (R), but I don’t know how well that’s working.

Haise, the husky puppy
Haise, the husky puppy
4 years ago

I too need to know a quota of collected male gazes so our village’s water supply is not poisoned, our crops are not burned and there isn’t a plague delivered onto our houses!

Lea
Lea
4 years ago

I’ve have a few friends get reductions. One for back pain. Another just so she could shop off the rack and wear seatbelts. Another literally because and I quote, ” I’m sick of going to PTA meetings and having men look at me like I’m a porn star.”

Fuck what men prefer. If you want big titties, store bought is fine. If you don’t, but got ’em, get them altered to fit what you do want.

Show both to literally anybody you want or no one at all. Your body is yours.

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
4 years ago

@Inconstant Reader
Welcome to the Mammotheer commentariat!

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