MGTOW Friday continues with this lovely meme, found in the Men Going Their Own Way subreddit.
You’ll be happy to learn that most of the MGTOWs commenting on the meme do in fact believe that women are human, and possibly even deserving of some of the same rights as men.
“Women are human and have certain human rights,” says someone calling himself Whiskeybandit67. “They are assholes, but human.”
Ayy-Mayy-ZoSuperwoah, meanwhile, thinks it’s “twisted” to say that women aren’t human.
Yeah women don’t really contribute much value to humanity, but that doesn’t make them less than human. Whoever wrote this is deranged. Deprive them of the right to vote maybe, and maybe to work some jobs, in other words, strip some circumstantial privileges, but to strip them of human rights? Like what, exactly?
I guess this is what passes for a voice of reason on the MGTOW subreddit, huh?
@Policy of Madness
Ah, yes, it is. Large scale organization creates the illusion of the behavior being acceptable, which directly leads to their misogyny becoming my problem.
@SFHC
That’s the episode that made me quit South Park.
Opposablethumbs
Thank you ))) but honestly, few years ago i would not have said like this. Sad but it sometime take similar experience to make understanding of what people need and not need. Few years ago i would have been just like you say and try to give some bullshit instead of correct treatment.
@IP
Ditto. I only remember that nasty shit so well because it burned itself into my brain like a slow-motion car crash.
@SFHC
Uggghhh. That show is so fucking awful.
BTW, does anyone else keep getting Human by The Killers in their head because of the title of this post? “Are we human or are we dancer?”
@Alan
Got it in one! I would make a terrible mermaid. I didn’t learn to swim until I was 12, can’t jump in and hate getting water up my nose and in my ears. Also I don’t have a tail. But I do live in the People’s Republic of Brighton & Hove (Caroline Lucas for the win!).
I lived in London for 7 years (including during 7/7), used to work in Westminster, my sister works in the Shard (by London Bridge) and Borough Market is one of my dad & stepmum’s favourite places to be, so I’m feeling very grateful they all had early nights yesterday.
Mammotheers eligible to vote on Thursday, keep love and hope directing your vote, rather than hate and fear.
@ weatherwax
I have very fond memories of Brighton. I used to go to Hove Crown Court a lot. After I’d finished I had a routine of walking back to Brighton along the beach. I’d have an interim hotdog at the half way stand, then a cone of ridiculously salty and vinegary chips on the pier before going to see the Dalek. Then I’d stroll up to the station via that amazing chocolate shop. Ah, miss that a bit.
I too did 15 years in London, very happy associations, and I still go back a lot to see friends (yey) and for work (less yey), so I still feel a strong connection with the stinky old place. Funnily enough the bombings never bothered me, and I was close enough to hear them go off a few times; I was also on the tube in front of one that blew up. That’s not some spirit of the blitz stoicism, more ‘what are the odds?’ denialism maybe. Strangely though that seems to be common. Been chatting to my friends still up there about last night obviously, but they’re very much the same. Weirdly it’s the Manchester attack that’s got to everyone. I think it’s because of the particularly cruel nature of the targeting.
@Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Even as someone who likes watching South Park that episode so cringe now. Surprises me that they managed to be somewhat respectful about the transgender bathroom issue years later.
Anytime I see someone trot out this particular piece of stupidity, I want to make them read about the Lincoln County War:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincoln_County_War
Essentially everybody had guns in that one, and the result was a bunch of dead people.
Thanks for the explanation, all.
Please hold my hair ._.
Okay I knew there was a lot of wrong with South Park, but that’s above and fucking beyond.
I’d heard about Rachel Dolezal too, though I wasn’t aware she’d gone as far as use a word like “transracial”.
Though now I am pretty sure that Chessman = Mick Dash. Same weird need to claim some imaginary oppression and then equate it with an actual one and/or blame it on us. Same incredibly tedious way with words, too.
@Ellesar – I am so so sorry. Please be safe and be well.
@Francesca Torpedo, Femoid Special Forces Major
I literally just told you I know more trans men than trans women. Unless that’s what made you think of it?
@Ignore Sandra
My joke was essentially a joke about trans women (or any group) bragging about how great they are as a group at some particular sexual act (in this instance blowjobs). Like it’s a team or something? “Go, Blowing Cis Women!” or whatever. Yeah they can’t all be gems!
Also:
Really have to beg to differ here. SUPER have to beg to differ. Trans men not only worry about (and are) beaten in the streets, but are also sometimes “treated” to rape. So, y’know. Definitely no need for the Oppression Olympics on this.
Yes I also have to agree with dreemr. My cousin is Non-binary and but born female and he afraid often – from physical and from words of others. He living in London too. If someone, even friend, shouts his name he become afraid because for him shouting usually agressive and someone who want to harm him.
@IgnoreSandra @Policy
Exactly. When big groups of misogynists organize and pat eachother on the back that’s when the most hateful ideas come through. And the MGTOW Reddit and forum aren’t even the most dangerous ones. The RP reddit, forums, websites and twitter accounts are the most damaging. That’s where most of the hate comes from and it spreads all over the internet. RP guys like Fisher who ended up in politics are more troubling than a few Mgtows talking shit at the bar.
Personal anecdote time: I personally know two were raped after they transitioned to male.
It isn’t trans people doing the assualting.
@dreemr
Yep. Transmasc friend of mine is constantly being harangued, followed, or swung at by random dudes, cos he ‘looks like one of them gays’ or some such bullshit. In the middle of a big, libruhl city and everything…
@Everybody
I was wrong, then. I’ll do better in the future.
@IgnoreSandra
Actually, non-passing trans men do fear violence in the street. Men get really, really angry when someone they perceive to be a woman isn’t attractive to them. Butch women face the same problem. I’m kind of upset you’re trying to claim they don’t.
Afab people who don’t present in a normative way are often viewed as threatening to the cis men. I myself, as a butch person, have been nervous about some guy being like “Well, if you want to look like a man, you have to walk the walk! I’m gonna beat you up, since you wanna be so masculine!”
@Victoria
I was wrong to say what I said. I clearly don’t understand the experiences of cis women and trans men well at all, and I should have remembered that in the moment. I’m sorry, and I won’t do the same going forward.
Victoria,
IgnoreSandra apologized already. No need to continue to pile on.
@Weirwoodtreehugger
Sorry, I think I commented before the other comments got added?
One thing I find curious (a word which, as used here, means ‘utterly revolting’) is how the two groups of people who are most visibly hostile to trans women are
a) lesbians who insist that trans women are straight men who want to have sex with them, and
b) straight men who insist that they are gay men who want to have sex with them.
I’m unsympathetic to both points of view.
@Robert Walker-Smith
Don’t you know? Being a trans woman is nothing more or less than a sexual fetish, because it’s impossible to be feminine without being sexual. So obviously trans women are just men being sexual in a bizarre way.
/sarcasm
@Fran: Your reply to me was fascinating– I’m glad I suspected there were myriad aspects I didn’t know about the various trans subcommunities and protocols of bitchiness.
@Valentine: You are absolutely correct in the way you would console a scared friend– my suggestion was just a vague, improvised idea, and I fully admit it would not have much effectiveness if used on its own. Your idea was vastly better.
As an aside to all of the trans discussions, I keep thinking how wonderful it would be if SCP-113 were widely available. The other SCP that only works one way…it should probably still be kept under wraps for its side effects, though.
Re: South Park – Matt and Trey kinda-sorta redeemed themselves with an episode from 2015, “The Cissy,” which ends with the elementary school principal saying:
The B plot is about Randy’s secret identity as Lorde, the female pop singer.
But they’ve never been all that sensitive and will probably continue to be insensitive in a lot of ways.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cissy