One of the little stumbling blocks faced by would-be Men Going Their Own Way is that it’s hard for straight dudes to free themselves from the influence of evil women if all they do is think about how much they want to have sex with said evil women.
And so you’ll occasionally find MGTOWs asking one another what they can do to lessen their terrible lusts. And the answers are often quite horrifying — longtime WHTM readers may recall legendary MGTOW Christopher of Oregon’s lengthy disquisitions on the (alleged) unspeakable smelly horrors of the vagina, for example.
Well, he’s not the only one trying to replace sexy thoughts with grotesque ones. Consider this lust-destroying advice from today’s MGTOW of the Day, fresh from a discussion in the MGTOW subreddit.
This is actually a variation of an ancient Buddhist technique — no, really — but when combined with the intense misogyny of the MGTOWs it’s decidedly less than enlightened.
Straight women, naturally, have it much easier when it comes to the whole lust quenching thing: All they have to do to kill any lust they feel towards a particular man is to imagine that he’s a MGTOW. Works every time!
@ fran
Ooh, enjoy. Got lots of Vikings in too.
But don’t forget to write an outraged letter to the BBC because William’s second in command is a black guy, 😉
(In the documentary bit Harold is played by a woman. Think the Beeb fancied ruffling a few feathers)
So i dont have much to say on Leonardo DeCaprio or death in combat for pagan gods, well i could say I’d probably be the first to die, but I can bitch about buddhism if anyone would like that.
@Alan
I shall indeed!
Also, while I was reflecting upon the matter further, it occurred to me that I have presented you with a pair of England’s former enemies in the form of Lord Domhnall: the Scots and the Germans. His lineage contains both.
Win this and I shall present you with the title “Hammer of the Scots”. You will also be celebrated as the second King Arthur, who heroically protected his folk from the ravages of the Germanic Saxon incursions.
@Overly Long Name
Fear not; my Imperial Fleet and my Imperial Army require people who are not necessarily to be placed on the front lines. Someone must coordinate.
If you aren’t up to date with the joke, there’s these people called Hoteps who basically say that all black people are superhuman God-Emperors and Goddess-Empresses.
Being as I was raised on a steady diet of Medieval fantasy fiction, Star Wars, and Sci-fi, I like to poke fun at them by roleplaying as such.
ETA:
You know how the Society for Creative Anachronism and the Pennsic people roleplay at being Medieval European knights and lords and ladies and have their own ‘kingdoms’?
I’d basically like to do that, except Hotep-style.
Not quite up there with one of Troubelle’s efforts, but I still like it.
ETA: Happy to report that my dad’s alive and well, so I’ll just do the temple bit.
@Alan
While we’re talking about Lord Domhnall:
http://www.thenational.scot/news/15029448.The_National___s_Ode_To_Domhnall_Trump______He_s_no__a_MacLeod__/?ref=mrb&lp=8
Even his own Scottish kinfolk don’t want him. Amazing.
I admit it is difficult for me to imagine a bare-chested Drumpf done up in blue woad, carrying a claymore and a targe, screaming his battle cry (what would it be? YUUUUGE? LOOOSER? Hardly evocative of the Scots Clan Campbell’s battlecry ‘CRUACHAN!’).
He would have to ride a golf cart, I presume.
I know whenever a celebrity dies we discuss whether we can/should enjoy their art even if they were a rotten human being, and I tend to fall on the side of enjoying the art regardless of the artist (which probably surprises no one).
So, Leo DiC? I didn’t know much about his personal life anyway, so I still appreciate a performance by him if it’s good. I don’t recall the last thing I saw him in though, as he’s not a big draw for me -maybe The Departed?
Not religious or spiritual in any way whatsoever, although I’m familiar with basic mythology. But I can’t add a thing to this!
*delurks*
Hi, been reading forever, but everyone beats me to what I feel like saying so I don’t comment. But I’ve always thought that reason Brad Pitt is the MOST hated is not because he gets all the wimmnenz and tosses them when he’s done, but because he doesn’t. His monogamy and respect for his partners and ex partners is a threat to these menzers- they want expectations kept low. A handsome, wealthy man who isn’t a cad even though he could be just makes them look so, so bad in comparison.
Ok people, now you’re pluzzing me. Anytime some guy laments he can’t get women, the usual feminist answer is that he should stop thinking about sex, that desire for sex is just a patriarchanl programming, etc…
Now that some of these guys are trying to kill their libido (in an admittedly gross way, but that hurts nobody), you also complain about their methods. So fine, what should they do? Chemical castration?
@ fran
Oh yeah, the Scots have made their reluctance to claim him as one of their own very clear indeed. One Scottish comedienne is particularly forthright in her views.
Warning. Pic contains typically Scottish language…
@Dreemr
Not to worry; according to the Hotep mythos, I, as a black woman, can perform a miracle, since I am both a goddess and empress of the known realms.
I shall aid you in your endeavor.
@Alan
Thanks! It was exceedingly wise of you to shelter my maiden eyes from the coarseness of our Highland-dwelling upper neighbors. Very chivalrous, indeed.
Here’s the thing though, don’t these guys know that in a ltr it is normal for people to be with each other in intimate and frankly nasty times? How old are these guys? Have they ever been in relationships? Didn’t they grow up around other human beings? How did they get to this point in their lives not knowing this basic stuff?
Sometimes you shower together on you period. Sometimes you do wonderful, crude and animalistic things to each other for fun. Sometimes one of you poops while the other is in the shower. You fart around each other. You see injuries and ingrown toenails. Most men like to be present for the births of their children. My ex watched my C-section. I held his hand through his vasectomy. You see each other with the flu. You pop eachother’s back zits. You nurse hangovers and food poisoning together.
Friends go through this stuff together too.
If you have kids, they get all their body fluid on you and they never stop being beautiful to you.
People with stomas etc don’t hide them away from their partners. If you come home from surgery, it is often your partner who will assist you changing the dressings. You’re there for one another through all life’s glorious tapestry and some of it is gross.
You are supposed to understand that all humans have body functions at a fairly young age. So, why does that come as a revelation to mgtows? I’m at a loss.
It seems that all they do is try to convince themselves women are the sourest of grapes.
I’ve decided to forgo sex and dating and I don’t spend effort trying to find men repulsive. I enjoy seeing a handsome man. I like seeing men enjoying themselves. (Mgtows seem to despise the sight of happy women.) I enjoy the company of male friends and family. I enjoy books and films by men. There are men I admire. There are men I enjoy working with. I do my best to be a supportive co-parent to my ex. I don’t spend my days imagining men pooping and being chopped up parts. I didn’t seek out and join a cult.
So, why do they?
Maybe the difference is I’m not angry at men because male supermodels aren’t forming a line outside my bedroom door. Maybe it’s because I don’t think of men as lacking agency or as existing for my sexual gratification. Maybe its because I wasn’t raised to see men as rewards for my accomplishments. Maybe its because I don’t feel personally offended if men aren’t doing their damndest to be pretty for my gaze or personally offended that they are attractive, but not in my bed.
If mgtows could get passed all that patriarchal nonsense, they might be able to be happy being single, lust or no lust.
@Fran – a thousand thanks, your Worshipful Highness!
@Dreemr
You are most welcome. Perhaps may be wondering, “Your Majesty, if ALL Black people are divine imperial monarchs, as per Hotep mythos, who decides what? Is there an intermediary organization or alliance pact between all these empires?”
With my admittedly limited knowledge of history, I like to imagine that there is, perhaps, some sort of Galactic Imperial Entente Cordiale among the empires.
Otherwise, the Hotepverse is setting itself up for a galactic war of the likes of which would make even Warhammer 40K run and hide for cover.
I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that girls are socialized to learn childcare and boys often are not. Girls help with younger siblings and babysit. Boys usually don’t unless they’re raised by parents who are putting in effort to challenge gender norms.
I was too young when my brother was in the diapers and spit up phase of life to clean after him, but I started babysitting younger neighborhood kids when I was 12. So I had experience with the grossness of other humans besides myself long before I was sexually active or in any kind of real relationship. As is typical for girls. Men often don’t change their first diaper until they have their own children. So l think the fact that their partners have bodily fluids and other unpleasant things just takes more getting used to for men than for women because we get up close and personal with other people’s poop and snot and smells earlier than they do.
Most men grow out of being freaked by the reality that women poop and have body odors. MGTOW never do.
But even men that aren’t as virulently misogynistic still get squicked out by women having bodily functions. I think if we did a better job teaching boys to nurture other people, we’d see that reduced somewhat.
Someone commented that manospherians want a virtual reality where they won’t have to poop or sweat. I’m not a manospherian, but I would love a reality where I don’t have to poop or sweat. A few hours ago I was actually thinking about how it would be one of the few upsides of being a vampire.
@Weasel-Rah
Welcome! I’m a new commenter here too but I’ve been lurking for a while now. ?
Yeah, a handsome and successful man that dedicates his personal life to monogamy??? Blasphemy! The funny thing is that these type of men are a majority (RobertDJr, Hugh Jackman, Ryan Gosling, Matt Damon, Chris Hemsworth).
WWTH,
That’s sadly true. I remember my youngest brother asked for a baby doll and my parents gave him the kind you could give a bottle and it would “pee”.
People were shocked. They especially thought it was weird that the baby doll had an uncircumcised penis to pee from. My parents weren’t terribly progressive, but they thought it was normal for a boy to want to play like a daddy.
It strikes me now that you point it out that girls have toys marketed to them that have body functions to clean up after and boys do not. My oldest had a Barbie that came with a pooping dog and a pooper scooper and a cat that peed with a litter box and scoop.
We teach them young who is supposed to do the dirty work, don’t we?
I’ve had conversation with my kids about why society wants so badly to put a gun or a tool in a boys hand early and a baby and some make-up in a girls. We’ve talked about why boys get to be heroes while girls are pretty princesses.
The cleaning up body functions being the thing we market to girls had not occured to me.
@Trollsan:
I find myself needing to say this pretty often to ‘perplexed’ people like yourself, but it might help if you base the suppositions that “support” your “argument” on actual reality rather than what you perceive “the usual feminist response” to be thanks to whatever reactionary slop you swallow down without any critical thought.
I’m in a place where most families are only a couple generations off of the farm. The attitude, “Shit washes off. Don’t be squeamish about a little dookie”, is still pretty common.
Still, men here tend to see childcare and house work as primarily the sphere of women.
I still remember when I was a new mom and I had a list of friends who had volunteered to come help if I needed it. I called a female friend, but she wasn’t home. Her bf surprised me (I was young) by volunteering in her place and rushing over to change diapers and give cuddles.
He said he wanted to be a dad so much and could not wait to have a house full, but he never got much of a chance to practice.
They didn’t get started until she was out of grad school. They’re still together and they have three of their own, plus they’re the neighbourhood hang out for all the kids around them. He is an excellent dad.
Trollsan,
Literally none of that is true. Here’s a tip: If your argument relies upon grossly misstating someone else’s position, your argument is bullshit.
Citation?
Dehumanizing women and imagining them as shit and chopped up bodies is not problematic because it is merely gross. Try harder.
Re: men, childcare, and diaper changing
I live in a pretty bass-ackwards rural area, and work with all men, but even these rather retro throwbacks have much more experience with child care and dirty diapers than one might think.
Just the other day one of the younger fellows we work with who has 3 young sons was late because of a “blowout” among one or another of them. This did spark a conversation among the rest of us of “Nauseating Effluvia Episodes With Our Children”.
So, not saying it’s universal, but even rural North Dakota men have more than a passing familiarity with changing diapers and dealing with vomit. At least it’s not as alien as it probably once was.
Chimeric Mind,
Possible TMI but my friend and I had a conversation where we agreed that we’d miss pooping if we were vampires. Sure, it’s gross and stinky. But it’s also very cathartic.
On the other hand, when I had an eating disorder I often longed to
just be a mind with no body at all. The wish to jump out of my skin entirely is not foreign to me. So I understand where you’re coming from!
Weasel-rah
Welcome! You might have a point. Brad Pitt did cheat on Jennifer Aniston with Angelina Jolie, so he’s certainly not perfect. But although it is wrong to hook up with your new partner before ending things with your old one if you’re in a monogamous relationship, I don’t think he cheated just to cheat. Considering he and Jolie spent over a decade together and had kids, he clearly fell for her and wasn’t just “spinning plates.” Other than that one incident he doesn’t seem to fit the mold of the alpha male that they insist we all want. He’s conventionally attractive and has lots of female fans but still wants to be in long term relationships? How could this be!?
I also remember that the manosphere got pissed off the time that Ryan Gosling pulled a woman out of the path of a moving vehicle. Since the woman was a writer and had a decent social media following the story went viral when she posted about it. It increased his popularity with women, thus contradicting the story they tell about how acting like an asshole to women is the only way to attract them. IIRC, the whines were the usual white knighting, disposable male crap.
@Paulsan:
Let me expand upon dslucia’s response above. I’m not going to say that feminists never tell men not to think about sex. however, in my experience at least, A far more common response from feminists is that such men need to quit thinking women only in terms of sex and viewing them as nothing more than sex objects/a source of sex that men are automatically entitled to.
It’s very telling that these men — and based on your comments, you — think that their only options are to think about women as a source of sex or “suppress their libido.”
I’m a gay man working in a field that is still heavily dominated by other men. There has never been a point in my twenty-year career when I have not worked with at least one other man I find attractive. I don’t have to suppress my libido. I don’t even have to force myself to not be attracted to those men. I simply have to work with and treat them as colleagues. I simply have to focus on the respect I have for them and the work they do, and the tasks we are collaborating on to accomplish the project’s goals together.
In a non-work situation, I can be social with someone I’m attracted to by focusing on common interests and shared activities.
In short, I see these men as people I can relate to in a non-sexual way. It does not take a huge feat of strength or willpower on my part. It’s just something I’ve learned to do. I find it hard to believe that heterosexual men are incapable of interacting with women in a similar manner — that you are all slaves to your libido and have to resort to some herculean effort to keep your sexual desires under control. If you or any MGTOW believes that, then I daresay y’all have a much more unflattering and heinous opinion of men than any feminist I have ever met or heard about.
Say what?
I’ve never seen any feminist say that ever.
Sex drive is a biological function. People who have a sex drive have every right to want sex and to think about sex.
As a feminist woman who is attracted to men, it would be no benefit to me if no man ever wanted to have sex. From a purely selfish standpoint, why would I want to embark on a quest to force all men into celibacy?
We do say that if no one is entitled to sex because no one gets to use someone’s body without their consent.
We also say that not getting the amount of sex you want is a personal problem, not an oppression that feminists are required to solve.
Is that what was confusing you?
If that’s the case than it’s a little disturbing that you think men don’t have active sex lives unless they’re forcing or coercing women into sex.