In the wake of the Portland train stabbings that left two men dead and one seriously wounded after they tried to stop a white supremacist from harassing several women, Paul Elam — still probably the best-known Men’s Rights Activist online — posted a tweet that spoke volumes — not about the incident itself, but about the utter moral bankruptcy of the Men’s Rights movement.
https://twitter.com/anearformen/status/868917239143178240
When other Tweeters objected, Elam doubled down and began spewing insults — aimed not just at his critics but at the murdered men themselves.
https://twitter.com/anearformen/status/869066210964631552
https://twitter.com/anearformen/status/869068999577006080
In one tweet, he suggested that the victims themselves were the cause of the violence that left them dead.
https://twitter.com/anearformen/status/869064408252772354
In his capacity as a leader of what is essentially a hate movement, Elam has said many terrible things over the years — from his post suggesting that women who go home with men without wanting to have sex with them are “damn near demanding” to be raped” to a short story offering an apologia for — indeed, a glorification of — domestic abuse. These tweets, I think, rank up there with his most reprehensible writings, for two main reasons.
First, as many observers have noted, it was not “chivalry” that killed these men. It was an angry and hateful man with a knife who was harassing women on a train.
Elam thinks it unfair that the tenets of chivalry call upon men to protect women — why should men have to serve as unpaid bodyguards for women, he has often asked? What he doesn’t like to talk about is that these volunteer bodyguards aren’t protecting women from bears — there aren’t a lot of those in my neighborhood — but in the overwhelming majority of cases from other men.
There are a lot of problematic things about “white knights,” as Elam insists upon calling them, but the plain fact is that the “good men” that Elam castigates as terminally stupid would be out of a job if there weren’t so many bad men around harassing and abusing women.
Second, and perhaps more importantly, Elam is essentially declaring war on the very thing that sets us apart from brute nature — our ability to feel empathy for others, including people unlike ourselves. A man standing up for a woman who’s being harassed may or may not be engaging in an act of chivalry but it is certainly an act of altruism and basic human solidarity. It’s driven by the same empathetic and altruistic impulse that led so many non-Muslims here in the US to rush to their nearest airports to protest Trump’s Muslim ban.
This sort of cross-cultural solidarity is pretty much the only thing that can save our country from the hatred and meanness that is Trumpism. We need more empathy, not less.
Elam would rather we raise our sons not to feel this sort of empathy towards women. That’s bad enough. But he’s not the only MRA with an empathy problem. And it isn’t confined to his feelings about women.
It’s not just that MRAs are indifferent towards, if not actively hostile, towards women; they lack empathy towards boys and men as well. Indeed, in one notorious post (archived here; I wrote about it here), Elam literally told the “troubled men” who have turned to A Voice For Men for help to ““go fucking bother someone else with your problems” if they weren’t donating money to his site, which is to say him, as he keeps the donations for himself.
Even though he seems to have taken in literally hundreds of thousands of dollars in donations over the years, he’s never bothered to even try to set up, say, a hotline for men. Instead, he’s set himself up as a sort of ersatz internet therapist for men — he has no actual training as a therapist — literally charging the “troubled men” he claims to be an advocate for $90 an hour to talk to him on Skype.
But he’s not the only MRA who combines a hatred for women with an utter lack of interest in doing anything altruistic for their fellow men.
In the first few years of second wave feminism in the late 60s and early 70s, feminist activists set up shelters and women’s centers and countless other entities designed to benefit women in desperate need of help. In the seven years I’ve been covering the Men;s Rights movement, MRAs haven’t even set up a single hotline, much less a functional men’s shelter. The only notable MRA, er, victory? Being so obnoxious they’ve convinced numerous media sites to shut down their formerly MRA-infested comments sections.
It’s no wonder MRAs feel such hostility towards real heroes. They’re only heroes in their own minds.
I’ll note that Chessman has gone a little quiet since this raging misogynist came on the board to ruin the story that gynocentrism is the biggest problem of our age.
At this point I think what we got is a not very complex shell script that’s combing some subreddits for sentences.
Color me unsurprised that Creepynightmare aspires to be a rapist.
Creepy.
No, this is getting super creepy now. I add my vote for the banhammer. Let the troll think he “won” some little game, and let him return to his sad life.
@Brony, Social Justice Cenobite
Yeah, bruh. Wasn’t addressing other ‘men’. Was addressing the weaker sex (the bishes). I actually was pissing on the metaphorical tree. You never rode wing man, did ya? Short? Gay? Trans? Asexual? Hope I’m not leaving anyone out. Can see why you’re a feminist. No skills with the ladies. Tis all bout crushing the poody, bruh. Their poody is our poody. They want to protect it, we want to defile it. It’s theirs, but at the same time, it’s kinda ours, in an implicit sort of way. No always means a tacit yes. If you’re halfway there…then the rest is simple manipulation. It’s the natural order. When in doubt, just apply social lubricant.
@PeeVee @Axecalibur
I received no email or notification when I wrote that. So yeah, truly a great mistery.
I guess I’ve been blessed by The Great Mammoth Spirit.
@Valentine
Yeah now that he’s gone from yelling into the void to targeting a specific mammotheer it’s not so laughable any more.
The Stockholm Syndrome thing has cropped up before in some manosphere context. Someone with better Google-fu than I could probably find it. And the rest of the source material I imagine.
I think the fact that you’re here pretending you’re some billy badass Lothario kinda demonstrates you’re not very confident in your ability to attract women, given you have to get them drunk and rape them to fuck them, Creepymare.
About Banning,
Yeah i understand this will be victory for him if he say enough disgusting garbage. But also pretty important becayse for some people here this images and things he saying are reality before now, can be upset by this. Let him to have his tiny excitement saying enough nasty crap for being banned. He obviously miserable or bored and just come here to push buttons. No more use to argue with this дебил.
Racists shouldn’t speak
By popular request, emailing David. Fuck it, we’ll do it live!
The rape fantasies are sufficient to warrant a ban IMO. YourMildlyUnsettledNap will probably just keep escalating until he’s kicked anyhow.
yeah let’s do him a favor and ban him so he can claim victory like the chess playing pigeon he is
http://images.fashionnstyle.com/data/images/full/47423/tumblr_m1avbyzhtz1qjncsyo2_500-gif.gif
Yeahhh. Get him out of here. Just fuck it.
On a side note, I’ve noticed that since I stopped lying about who I am, my ability to make friends has greatly increased. And of course, after I decided not to do sex things for a while, a bunch of people I genuinely like seem to be trying to get with me. So…stop pretending to be something you’re not, improve yourself as a person, and don’t ever think others owe you their time.
Valentine
“With a due respect, i strongly dont think you are even close my greatest nightmare. Id tell you mine actually- but maybe too much for you? You sound like child. No one who had seen experienced anything real and horrible like this action would speak like you. So take from me and from other here to on this website, who actually lived something like ‘greatest nightmare’ before and shut up and fuck off.”
Sammanter, babe? Cousin Jimbob rape you, or was it dad? You do realize that millions starve to death every year, right? You realize that tens of thousands of men take their own lives every year, right? That US UNI got you all privileged and looking down upon others? Women’s studies got you down? You feel you’ve suffered the most – and everyone else is Satanic? Take a stroll down Arlington cemetery, bish. There you’ll find tens of thousands of dead boys, that died for your rights. Until then, wipe that snivel off your face and address me properly, learned victim.
Aulma,
Katie bestows her blessings in strange ways, lol.
So it always ends with thoughts about female genitalia and rape apology. Pretty basic for a manosphere guy. I’m kinda bored by it. Hopefully we’ll get a funnier snake next time.
@Sandra
Basically this.
Since I started presenting as more feminine these days people seem to be more attracted to me.
It’s rad. I love it.
@Sandra:
Here, let me try my troll-translating skills, since your autotranslate seems to have shorted:
Shorter everything @Nobody’s Greatest Anything:
FAP FAP FAP FAP
FAP FAP FAP FAP
FAP FAP FAP FAP
FAPFAPFAPFAPFAPFAPFAPFAPFAP…
UNGH!
ME SUCH A MAN NOW.
DID ME SCARE ANYONE?
DID ME IMPRESS ANYONE?
ANYONE?
ANYONE??
ANYONE???
(sniffle)
Gee, that wasn’t even hard. (That’s what SHE said, too!)
Nightmare, that’s enough. You want to know the truth? She probably hasn’t been. I can’t answer for her. But you know what? I was. By some guy claiming, just like you, to be a big, tough alpha male. I’m also male. So you need to absolutely shut your mouth on something you know nothing about.\
And you get addressed properly when you deserve it, by acting properly. Not like a spoiled, selfish little brat who demands the world bows down to him.
This is weird. Usually, when the cat has her jaws firmly clamped around the lizard, the lizard is trying to get away. This one seems to think the cat won’t eat him once she’s done playing with him.
You are owed the respect you give, which is none, rapist.
http://38.media.tumblr.com/22d954134a41b8211dbae937eadfb5c5/tumblr_nga74hbvd41rp0vkjo1_500.gif
You … don’t know who Valentine is, do you? I’m going out on a limb and guessing that nobody in Arlington died for Valentine’s rights.
Yeah, troll is just cruising for a ban now.
Apologies for losing my temper there, btw, still working on that.