In the wake of the Portland train stabbings that left two men dead and one seriously wounded after they tried to stop a white supremacist from harassing several women, Paul Elam — still probably the best-known Men’s Rights Activist online — posted a tweet that spoke volumes — not about the incident itself, but about the utter moral bankruptcy of the Men’s Rights movement.
https://twitter.com/anearformen/status/868917239143178240
When other Tweeters objected, Elam doubled down and began spewing insults — aimed not just at his critics but at the murdered men themselves.
https://twitter.com/anearformen/status/869066210964631552
https://twitter.com/anearformen/status/869068999577006080
In one tweet, he suggested that the victims themselves were the cause of the violence that left them dead.
https://twitter.com/anearformen/status/869064408252772354
In his capacity as a leader of what is essentially a hate movement, Elam has said many terrible things over the years — from his post suggesting that women who go home with men without wanting to have sex with them are “damn near demanding” to be raped” to a short story offering an apologia for — indeed, a glorification of — domestic abuse. These tweets, I think, rank up there with his most reprehensible writings, for two main reasons.
First, as many observers have noted, it was not “chivalry” that killed these men. It was an angry and hateful man with a knife who was harassing women on a train.
Elam thinks it unfair that the tenets of chivalry call upon men to protect women — why should men have to serve as unpaid bodyguards for women, he has often asked? What he doesn’t like to talk about is that these volunteer bodyguards aren’t protecting women from bears — there aren’t a lot of those in my neighborhood — but in the overwhelming majority of cases from other men.
There are a lot of problematic things about “white knights,” as Elam insists upon calling them, but the plain fact is that the “good men” that Elam castigates as terminally stupid would be out of a job if there weren’t so many bad men around harassing and abusing women.
Second, and perhaps more importantly, Elam is essentially declaring war on the very thing that sets us apart from brute nature — our ability to feel empathy for others, including people unlike ourselves. A man standing up for a woman who’s being harassed may or may not be engaging in an act of chivalry but it is certainly an act of altruism and basic human solidarity. It’s driven by the same empathetic and altruistic impulse that led so many non-Muslims here in the US to rush to their nearest airports to protest Trump’s Muslim ban.
This sort of cross-cultural solidarity is pretty much the only thing that can save our country from the hatred and meanness that is Trumpism. We need more empathy, not less.
Elam would rather we raise our sons not to feel this sort of empathy towards women. That’s bad enough. But he’s not the only MRA with an empathy problem. And it isn’t confined to his feelings about women.
It’s not just that MRAs are indifferent towards, if not actively hostile, towards women; they lack empathy towards boys and men as well. Indeed, in one notorious post (archived here; I wrote about it here), Elam literally told the “troubled men” who have turned to A Voice For Men for help to ““go fucking bother someone else with your problems” if they weren’t donating money to his site, which is to say him, as he keeps the donations for himself.
Even though he seems to have taken in literally hundreds of thousands of dollars in donations over the years, he’s never bothered to even try to set up, say, a hotline for men. Instead, he’s set himself up as a sort of ersatz internet therapist for men — he has no actual training as a therapist — literally charging the “troubled men” he claims to be an advocate for $90 an hour to talk to him on Skype.
But he’s not the only MRA who combines a hatred for women with an utter lack of interest in doing anything altruistic for their fellow men.
In the first few years of second wave feminism in the late 60s and early 70s, feminist activists set up shelters and women’s centers and countless other entities designed to benefit women in desperate need of help. In the seven years I’ve been covering the Men;s Rights movement, MRAs haven’t even set up a single hotline, much less a functional men’s shelter. The only notable MRA, er, victory? Being so obnoxious they’ve convinced numerous media sites to shut down their formerly MRA-infested comments sections.
It’s no wonder MRAs feel such hostility towards real heroes. They’re only heroes in their own minds.
I just wish I’d gotten it to embed. Oh, well. “Woman! Whoa! Man! Whooooooaaaaaa man!”
Regarding red boot laces: it doesn’t always mean that one has “earned” them by committing violence, but it almost always does indicate Nazi sympathies if the laces are in Doc Martens or combat boots.
@PeeVee
Me too. And I’m usually pretty good at censoring that stuff. Whatevs, point was made anyhow 🙂
This kid troll wishes he were my nightmare. Hell, I wish that too, it would be more fun instead of PTSD tremors at 23. Huzzah.
But more seriously, the hell is wrong with trolls trying defend junk like this? Does this go back to the whole “winning” thing? Or am I just missing something, like compensating for a tiny…friends circle.
Translating troll to human:
=: “I don’t have a grown up perspective on the world, if that’s what you mean.”
He ask how old you are – not for your fucking life story, дебил.
Also i fix it for you )))
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I thought this was a comment by a mammother mocking the nightmare guy but then I read the username. My bad.
These men are victims of gynocentrism.
@Aulma, I don’t think any of us could come up with stupidity at his level.
Translating:
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“I literally sympathize with terrorists.”
Poor Chessman. Are you jealous that another troll is getting the attention?
Chessman, followed by Checkmate.
I just like that order of posts.
Also, if Nightsie’s still on: I EXIIIIIIIIST BEYOND YOUR BINARY GENDER DEFINITIONS. PROJECT YOUR HATE ONTO MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE if you don’t have anything better to do like play games.
Oh wow yeah, okay, thanks, IS, that is very manosphere logic especially since the whole thing is like a manospherian’s utopia heh
You wish. They are the victims of a murderous man.
@ Troubelle, I swear it is a coincidence. Checkmate is the name of the pony I came up with. He’s a tactician who’s entirely emotionless. Still sounds more reasonable than the manosphere.
Ponysonas are a legit thing. There is quite a bit of fascinating in-group language in the fandom and checkmate sounds believable. A next step is often fan art with the ponysona. I was tempted.
Man, I kinda miss the trolls who don’t sound like angry teenagers.
@Checkmate
I tried to pun by using “m8” in reference to Chessie on another thread, but…this is still good.
If you got a picture of your pony, though, maybe you could use Gravatar to make him your avatar?
Elam is scum, simple as that.
And Nightbrat is an idiot, also quite simple.
If «might makes right» is the rule, what are these morons even whining about? If that’s how it is, the «rightness» of any action is irrelevant. Women/leftists ended male dominance because they *could*.
I guess even «might makes right» comes with a -as long as it is to mens benefit- clause to these queefs.
Ahahah, well I was pretty confused. “How did this guy manage to replicate Nighter’s gibberish so well?” Then the revelation came.
Axe, I just wondered how Aulma’s got through, that’s all. Because if that word is automatically automated, it stands to reason that David would have to release it, no?
But Aulma doesn’t know, so it may be a Mammoth Mystery!
@ yourgreatestnightmare
It would be really helpful if you could give your actual age, or even just an age range.
You see I’m interested in how people become embroiled in the manosphere (to use a convenient term) and I get the impression you’re very young. If that is the case then I’d be really grateful if I could pick your brains.
My current hypothesis is that you have little experience with actual women and you find them a little scary and intimidating. As a result you’ve latched onto the misogyny crowd because their rhetoric gives you a mild feeling of power; and you find that a bit comforting. You may be feeling a little bit disconcerted now because you’re not getting the reaction you hoped. People here are laughing at you somewhat and that’s making you uneasy. Hence the attempt at laughing it off with your latest post.
Am I close? I’m not trying to take the piss here, this is a genuine enquiry. Someone suggested to me there’s a ‘standard trajectory to radicalisation’ (as they eloquently put it) and I’m curious as to whether you fit into that model.
@Nobody’s Greatest Anything:
So, about 12, then? Thought so.
They felt they had to accost him; it was reported someone pushed or shoved him. Like Elam said, the white knights or “heroes” (if you accept gynocentric toxic male gender roles) intervened into a situation of verbal abuse and escalated it into a physical fight. Before this guy was accosted and shoved, did he ever even display the knife…? What would you do if three white knights were ganging up on you, getting in your face and shoving you around?
I’m sorry, it whenever Paul Elam is quoted, my mind shuts down and all I can hear is “Grrrr, I’m Paul Elam!”
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RcBBemS-HRk
@Troubelle, I’m not sure how, tbh. I’m kind of new to this commenting system, so hopefully I set it up right.
Edit: Clearly I didn’t. X3
Double edit: Clearly I did. X3