Just some dudes who think a lady-only Wonder Woman showing makes them Rosa Parks

Correction: she wasn’t tired. But the rest stands. You don’t have to choose between never seeing the movie, or sitting in cramped men only seating. You can see the movie later. It is not comparable.

@alan robertshaw

Sorry, man. I have a hard time interpreting sarcasm online.

Alan said “donkeys’ years”
Tee hee ?

@ social justice sorcerer

partly because I don’t communicate well,

We hear that quite a bit round here and, in my experience, it’s very rarely true. And certainly not in your case. 🙂

They did similar before in the Harry S. Plinkett review of The Force Awakens which I loved the first half of – mostly because it mocks pretentious Prequel Apologists like Mike Klimo and [deleted] – but part of the second half is a bunch of whining about making the casts of these films more inclusive, of how it’s all just a marketing scheme and totally pointless.

*on a hunch, Googles*

… Holy shit, did you just doxx HBomberguy – the only two relevant results are a previous post of yours and a bunch of alt right hate sites, so it’s clearly not something he’s put out there himself – because he likes a movie you don’t? David, can we get a judgement call on this?

He wrote under his real name on Smugfilm.com – and an essay he made on the Star Wars Prequels is what I’m referencing:

http://smugfilm.com/author/harrybrewis/

@Axe:

Doxxing HBG again, are we? A very humorous pastime indeed! Apparently…

It’s not doxxing when he willingly put his name out there on a website. I don’t know why he goes by handle now when he’s already used his real name before.

That ain’t creepy at all…

For fuck’s sake, he featured it on his Ask.fm account when I used to follow him there and he brought it up there – people even asked him about his time on the site and he admitted such.

Also, really? You don’t see it? Like, call it a hunch, but methinks there’s a connection between shitting on a (younger and more diverse, just saying) group if fans for liking something one doesn’t like in a way that does nothing to harm one in anyway and being an entitled little shit who thinks anything that appeals to an (younger and more diverse, just saying) audience that isn’t that person to be wrong. Am I the only one who sees this?

First of all, I saw the films when they first came out – hated them back then too and I was 13 then and it has pretty much nothing to do with his age. Secondly, my issue isn’t with someone liking something I don’t – it’s that, when first released, I had to deal with shithead fanboys who faulted me for not just loving it as they do (“you just don’t get it”), which is how Brewis comes off when defending the film in the article as well as at the Ask.fm account. Third, he’s been a dick to me and several other people and I frankly don’t like him. I think he’s more disingenuous than most people think, his online persona being little more than an act than representative of his actual personality. Though, honestly, I’d apply this to a lot of people online…

@Nick
Yeah, cool, here’s the thing. When someone dedicates half of a review of Ep7 to ragging on ‘pretentious Prequel Apologists’ (cos that’s not the most pretentious collection of 3 words I’ve seen this year), a series of movies that are not the movie in question, and then go on to spout reactionary talking points… Why are you shocked? Why would anyone be shocked? That’s exactly what I would expect from such people. It ain’t a difficult link to make, is it?

First of all, I saw the films when they first came out – hated them back then too and I was 13 then and it has pretty much nothing to do with his age

Come now, let’s not pretend that the prequels’ fans don’t skew younger. They do. And let’s not also pretend like this don’t sound eerily like older (white) dudes gatekeeping and putting everyone else in their place. Neither know nor care why you care so much, but look at the bigger picture, eh?

Secondly, my issue isn’t with someone liking something I don’t

Dude, you got all up in your feelings when, and because, HBG mentioned the prequels and Blade Runner in the same breath. Something you like and something you don’t were compared, and you got mad. So, you’ll forgive me if I’m not quite buying it…

I guess I’m just confused about why the label “apologist” would be assigned to fans of certain movies. You either like a movie or you don’t. Both opinions are valid. It’s not like it’s immoral to like the Star Wars prequels. It’s not something bad you have to apologize for.

Personally, I’m kind of meh about them. Two and three are at least entertaining enough. One is pretty dull to me.

I dislike the Star Wars prequels. The one I like the most is RotS, and like Scented Fucking Hard Chairs I could write an essay on how Padme deserved better from her writers. But they’re still better movies than a lot of big budget films that came out over the past year.

I could also write an essay on what I think is wrong with the prequels, but that doesn’t mean other people have to agree with me or justify their perspective on the prequels to me. I love Star Wars. I can’t genuinely hate the prequels, much like I can’t genuinely hate the misogynistic tripe in a lot of the Expanded Universe. I think it weakens the franchise. It needs to be gone. But I can’t genuinely hate something I love.

And I can’t hate someone for liking something flawed, even seriously or fatally flawed. Remind me to tell y’all about The Room or Police Academy sometime. Also, Rocky Horror. And Age of Empires. Achron. Huniepop. Iron Sky. Mass Effects 2 and 3. Look, I like a lot of things that have crippling flaws.

Some people criticize a work because it really grinds their gears and rubs them the wrong way, and that’s valid as long as they’re able to articulate reasons that make sense for it. Others criticize something because they love it or see how they could love it and want it to be better. The latter is me and Star Wars.

I watched Plinkett’s reviews of the prequels, ages ago before I was really awake. He made some valid points that helped me name some of the problems I noticed with the movies. But. He’s still a misogynist dickbag.

@Kupo

The Room is too ridiculous to me to be painful. It’s literally a laughing type of riot, cause I can’t watch it and take it seriously.

I don’t know if that qualifies as liking it ironically. It’s still liking something that has numerous crippling flaws precisely because it has fatal flaws.

@Axe:

Yeah, cool, here’s the thing. When someone dedicates half of a review of Ep7 to ragging on ‘pretentious Prequel Apologists’ (cos that’s not the most pretentious collection of 3 words I’ve seen this year), a series of movies that are not the movie in question, and then go on to spout reactionary talking points… Why are you shocked? Why would anyone be shocked? That’s exactly what I would expect from such people. It ain’t a difficult link to make, is it?

Maybe because those two things aren’t the same? I’m not sure how taking issue with contrarian defenses of bad movies, especially with this whole earlier-than-thou attitudes about it, is the same as being reactionary unless you contrive enough to conflate the two.

Come now, let’s not pretend that the prequels’ fans don’t skew younger. They do.

Ah yes, that half-assed excuse. Because a film that involves extensively dealing with the space politics of a space government, involves implied rape, decapitation, maiming, murdering children, and turning a man into a quadriplegic before letting him catch fire and slowly burn are totally things that skew towards a “younger audience.”

I’m also not sure how that argument applies whatsoever since the guy is in his 20’s (again, he’s admitted this on his Ask.fm account). It’s not like he’s a five-year-old who just happens to like the film, which you’re acting like he is – he’s an adult.

And let’s not also pretend like this don’t sound eerily like older (white) dudes gatekeeping and putting everyone else in their place.

Except I don’t think the original Star Wars films are perfect, though they are immensely enjoyable, and none of my problems with the Prequels have anything to do with not resembling the original three. I mean, the reason I was excited about them at first was because they looked different and was hoping it’d be interesting…which it wasn’t. At all. It felt like a combination of an SFX demo reel and in-house advertisement for all of the merchandise Lucas would make, done with a script written over the weekend.

I also find it funny you’re accusing me of gatekeeping when that’s exactly my issue with Brewis and Klimo. They’re Star Wars fanboys who are basically calling you a moron for not appreciating it like they do and thus, somehow, have a profound understanding of it. Hell, the reason I hate the Prequels as much as I do is – again – because my group of friends at the time they first came out were the kind of people who were really into the Expanded Universe. I wasn’t, I just happened to like the original three films – I wasn’t the kind of person who read the series of innumerable novels like they were.

When I admitted to just not liking the films – because they were badly written, directed, acted, etc. – they made it out as if it was a personality flaw to just not like the films as much as they did. I went into all of them hoping to enjoy them and left ended up hating each one more than the last, but apparently it’s my fault for just not unconditionally loving them…

Dude, you got all up in your feelings when, and because, HBG mentioned the prequels and Blade Runner in the same breath. Something you like and something you don’t were compared, and you got mad. So, you’ll forgive me if I’m not quite buying it…

I’ll admit I did overreact to that. I mean, I still think it’s an utterly erroneous comparison but I fully concede that I was approaching it in a very irrational way then.

Part of that was, as mentioned before, the way he interacted with myself and others on Ask.fm – he really did come off as a dick to anyone who just didn’t like the Prequels, no matter how constructive they were about it, while treating others who liked the Prequels as much as he did adoringly. Certainly doesn’t help that, for a guy who loves to apply a personalized interpretation regardless of how irrelevant it may be to the material, he was hypocritical enough to mock other people doing the exact same thing…because it wasn’t his interpretation. That kind of thing really got on my nerves and the comparison was just a final nail in the coffin moment for me.

@S.F.H.C.:

I like the prequels. They have their problems – the “Romance” scenes in AotC are Godawful and I could write a whole essay about Padme’s misogynistic character degradation in RotS – and they certainly aren’t as good as the original trilogy, but hell, “Not as good as the original trilogy” still means “Ten times better than most other summer blockbusters.”

Come at me, bro.

That’s fine. I don’t agree with the final statement at all, since I’d argue it’s as bad if not worse than most other blockbusters, but – once again – my issue isn’t with liking the movies. Like ’em as much as you want.

Hell, you can dislike Blade Runner for whatever reason you want and – while I might think you’re wrong about it – I wouldn’t think you were some kind of moron for “not getting it.”

(I don’t actually care if everyone else hates ’em – different strokes and all that, and besides, I’m used to it – I’m just winding up Nick since he’s being a dipshit. Again.)

I’m not really getting wound up, honestly, though I’m not sure how I’m being a “dipshit” – other than referring to someone by a name they wrote under at a website that they have linked to their own account elsewhere.

@W.W.T.H.:

I guess I’m just confused about why the label “apologist” would be assigned to fans of certain movies.

Brewis actually called himself such one time and, given many of articles are trying to convince people the films are “better than they thought”, such can easily count as either contrarian or apologetics.

You either like a movie or you don’t. Both opinions are valid. It’s not like it’s immoral to like the Star Wars prequels. It’s not something bad you have to apologize for.

Of course it isn’t immortal or wrong and it’s less that they’re apologizing for anything than defending it as somehow being “misunderstood” by people who take issue with it.

Like, for example, Christian apologists aren’t necessarily apologizing for their belief in Christianity as much as trying to prove detractors wrong with certain kinds of rhetorical tactics. That is to say, people who dislike Christianity just “don’t get” Christianity like they do ’cause reasons.

NickNameNick, can you do me a favor? Can you call him Hbomberguy? Thanks.