So the fellas in the Men Going Their Own Way subreddit are trying to figure out why women visit their horrid little subreddit and sometimes even post mean things about them there. A fellow called VanDerVaart has an explanation. Well, two of them:
Yes, that’s right. Some of the women who seem on the surface to despise the whiny misogynistic shits who populate the MGTOW subreddit are actually really into them, or at least really into all the cool shit MGTOWs own because they don’t have to waste their money on, I dunno, buying women lobster dinners in hopes of scoring some sex.
And so these wily resource-hungry ladies are going to try to slime their way into their lives in hopes of … scoring a lobster dinner in return for sex. Or maybe these evil females will just sneak into their apartments to steal their cool-ass gaming chairs or something. Because LL Cool C: ladies love cool chairs.
numerbois,
Yeah. At least. ?
I am just enjoying laughing at Breitbart; VF is using the same source Breitbart used to crow about its traffic.
Yes.
So I will reiterate my response:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!
This is honestly completely off-topic (or maybe very tentatively on topic given the discussion re: men struggling with depression/opening up about it), but I think maybe I could use some entirely outside opinions: how do you support an SO with depression when you’re struggling terribly with your own?
My BF is recently diagnosed and has just started meds, after it took him a very long time to realize/admit that he needed to. I try so hard to make him happy, but it feels like it’s to no avail, and I’m dealing with my own issues at the same time. He’s unused to, and uncomfortable with, talking about anything regarding his own emotional state and just wants to wall himself up, and I feel awful and selfish because when I fail to cheer him up, I get even more downhearted myself, and I’m sure he notices and that MUST make him feel badly… We’re also long-distance, which just complicates things. Thinking about losing him due to one or both of us being depressed is agonizing.
Dear mgtows,
Never.
Not ever.
Not even if your dicks were diamonds.
Not even if the world were flooded with piss and you owned the only boat.
Sincerely,
Literally everyone
Ah, Chessman, is it making you sad to see us laugh at you and how ridiculously clueless and hateful you and your misogynist scum friends are?
Good.
You’re a dishonest, self-pitying bigot who identifies with the same group of men who do actually terrorize women and spread propaganda calling for their oppression and murder. Your false equivalents aren’t clever. Go your own way, preferably to someplace remote and be sad there.
Freneticferret,
I’m sorry you are both dealing with so much. Depression is tough on people.
My personal advice would be:
First thing: stop making his mental health your job.
You can’t make him not mentally ill. You can’t be a subsitute substitute for years of therapy and medication. You can’t make him “happy”. Youcan yry not to take it personally that he is depressed and you can let him know it is OK for him to be sick and that you are glad he is seeking help.
That’s all I know to tell you. Best of luck.
Would you believe, I actually don’t get catcalled much these days. I used to get it all the time. Then I turned, oh, 18? 19? And suddenly the adult men who had been so interested in sharing their opinions about me at shouting volume were no longer interested. Strangely enough, however, I am not mad that I aged out of the child predator target bracket. Mostly I’m just angry because almost every woman I know has at least one story of an adult man creeping on her when she was still a child or a teen.
@ferret
I am also in agreement with Lea, you must not feel guilty selfish for trying to make him feel happy, but i think that you need also tell to him and make clear that it is okay for him to be how he is. This is good that he is seeking treatment!
And also i am in long distance relationship and i find that just one small small message or conversation a day is really helping me and my girlfriend. It does not have to be happy conversation, just simple honest one or about nothing, just some bullshit. I call it like i am holding her hand. Many bad things happen here and i dont share with her because i don’t want her worry. But simple conversation about nothing is helping anyway. You must not break your head trying to fix him, because now he is doing the right thing, just concentrate on keep your link with him, sad or happy, make sure he can seen that you there for him.
I hope this helps you.
@ freneticferret:
I think you need to make sure you’re taking care of yourself first and foremost. Nobody can solve another’s depression (or other problems!), and the best we can do is provide a supporting environment where we show love insofar as we’re able. Just… be present, be compassionate, and share what you can.
Don’t try to break down his walls; that just makes you both miserable. His walls are his business, and if you focus on them you might both come to resent them, as well as your efforts. Anyhow, sometimes drawing attention to our failings just makes them seem more real, and even insurmountable.
My own depression is ameliorated somewhat by doing nice things for others, but then I don’t expect I’m typical in this, given how mentally atypical I feel I am in most other ways. So I don’t know if this is helpful advice or not. 😉
Take care and be well.
I love it how Chessman went on about ‘proving’ the MGTOWs love of patriarchy and then as soon as proofs were cited he disappeared.
I expect what he was thinking was: ‘MGTOW reject the idea of patriarchy, which is a notion made up by feminists who are evil, and if WE reject it it doesn’t exist and therefore anything we say is not supporting a patriarchal model’.
But I guess we’ll never know!
I honestly don’t think about what MGTOWs have. I expect some are doing all right, some are wealthy and probably most have just about enough. Neither do I give any thought as to what they look like, or whether they are virgins, or any other aspect of their lives.
If only they could be as genuinely disinterested in women, then maybe they could actually Go Their Own Way and we could all have some peace.
@Collateral Thought,
Can I ask where you found the comic you posted a page or so back? The one with the house on fire?
Thanks in advance 🙂
@Mish:
I can answer that.
http://chainsawsuit.com/comic/archive/2016/07/07/all-houses-matter-the-extended-cut/
It’s an “extended cut” of a strip the artist had done two years earlier; it incorporates and rebuts counter-arguments the original got. The first strip ends with the “All houses matter” panel.
http://chainsawsuit.com/comic/archive/2014/12/08/all-things-considered/
@ Mish:
MrsObedMarsh covered it thoroughly, but I felt it would be rude not to reply anyhow. 😉
When you drive down the road, everything you see, including the road, was built by men, not women. All of the wars were fought through the trafficking, exploitation, usury, manipulation and disposal of men for the advancement of women and their true husband, the state. Trillions in wealth and power have been shifted from men to women and their hubby, the state, through alimony, asset division, child support, Title IX, Affirmative Action, Affirmative Consent (the stripping of men of due process and presumption of innocence) and the shifting of spending on health, education and welfare from men to women, even though men pay the majority of taxes and always have. Women are simply predatory, entitled socialists – and always have been.
The new life one rule for men is thus: Never give a woman and/or the state any legal and/or financial power over your life. Word is spreading. You ‘ladies’ are fuqqed – and not in the traditional sense.
I think “ferret” has trolled all y’awl.
@Ten Bears:
What makes you think that?
Ten Bears,
What are you talking about? They’ve commented here lots of times and never trolled. What’s your evidence of troll? Are you sure you’re not the troll?
*crawls out of hole*
To be fair I would totally do that, but I’m not an evil female.
Somebody asked for help and several other people offered it. Truly, we have been had.
@Ten Bears
Uhh…yep… you… got me?
Really, though, do you just think I’m ‘trolling’ because you can’t imagine a woman being concerned about her boyfriend, or am I missing something?
@everyone else
Thanks, I’ll try to keep all of that in mind. I want him to be okay and I want to help, but sometimes it feels like supporting someone with a broken leg when my leg is broken, too. I know I need to stop blaming myself when I can’t cheer him up, but old habits really do die hard. I’ve always been the one my friends come to with problems, so I take it too hard when I can’t seem to help. He’s always been more of the stoic type, and seeing him so unhappy throws me for a loop and puts me into ‘try to solve the problem’ overdrive… but I know perfectly well that you can’t just ‘solve’ depression. I guess there’s a bit of a cognitive disconnect.
Why is “ferret” in scare quotes? You mean to tell me that they’re not actually a typing, Anglophone mustelid? I’m shocked. Shocked, I say!
@ferret
*solidarity fist bump* I’m in a long distance deal too atm, and ours ain’t immune to depression either. Just wanted to say that you’re likely doing your partner plenty of good just by being around. Even if it seems like you’re not helping, try to remember that. Support doesn’t mean fix. Only he can say what he needs. In the abstract and especially in the particulars. The best, and correct, thing to do is, like everyone else said, take care of yourself. You’re no good to anyone else if you’re no good to you. And whenever you do have the opportunity and spoons to more actively help, just do your best 🙂
Ah, Ten Bears just hoping to get traffic for their blog, apparently. Which is somehow achieved by projection? I dunno.
Either that or he thought your post would make us reveal our evil man hating ways by baiting us into saying men should all commit suicide or something? I don’t even know.