Today’s MGTOW of the Day post is actually based on a comment from 11 days ago but don’t get on my case, I never specified what day the “of the day” part of “MGTOW of the Day” means, and also this is my blog and I make the rules.
Anyway, today’s 11-day-old MGTOW of the Day comment touches on history, law, education, and biology, as some dude named Lowmetal argues that it’s all been downhill for civilization ever since women were first allowed to inherit property. Also, women are actually a whole different species than us dudes.
Damn those not-actually-human ladies and their love of civilization-destroying EDUCATION, something that Lowmetal is clearly not a big fan of.
@ Axe
Oh great, give us the one with the monsters.
(is that too meta?)
MGTOWs baffle me, the way they characterize their self-imposed misery as a brave lifestyle choice. They’re such clearly deeply unhappy people, but they posture and boast as if their shitty ‘revelation’ about women has made them freer or happier somehow. Just a quick glance at any thread on that subreddit shows how miserable and angry and bitter they are, and I keep finding myself almost feeling sorry for them… but then I read a little more and bounce back to just being disgusted. I’m not sure they can even be helped through sympathy or empathy or anything.
Fran & IgnoreSandra : the gig is up. No human would be able to imitate so perfectly alien imitiating humans imitatings aliens trying and failing at passing for human.
Wait, I think I did a double negation. What does the manual say about human and double negation already ?
@Ohlmann
That you don’t not blow up if you do it. I think it’s on page 3. Either that or bad science fiction robots. I lost the covers to both manuals, so it’s anybody’s guess.
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Oh crap.
@Alan
*kisses fingertips* perfect amount of meta, I think ?
MEN BUILT EVERYTHING! Except for the stuff they didn’t. BUT THAT OTHER STUFF IS USED FOR BRAINING WASHING!
I do love when they get racist with it too, completely discounting all the non-white man inventions that allowed the Europeans to start colonizing every bit of land they spotted.
I have a confession to make, everyone. I too am an alien, and therefore, not human. Just a friendly Altean here!
@Fran
I am indeed a 100% human female woman made entirely of meat. I am a biological entity in every way.
@Sandra
Wait a second… Tentacles? I thought we had a treaty, dammit! This is our pla…
I mean, hello, fellow human. Your meat organs function well, I trust?
If women are a separate species from human, does that mean heterosexual men are into bestiality?
@Ohlmann, I hope you have a really great time at the competition!
I, of course, am a Deep One, a fish-frog-person awaiting the longed-for day when my ocean-dwelling brothers and sisters and their shoggoth servitors rise up from the seas and take this world back from the upper-earth people.
@Dalillama
Yes. The plasmic recycler synergizes well with the central processing system. It certainly keeps me expelling air. I think. I don’t know the names of the other meat organs.
I communed with others of my kind the other day. We flopped around on the meat sticks we all carry ourselves on under the cover of human noise, and definitely didn’t join into a giant mass of shared warmth against the poison sky outside.
We consumed a mixture of fermented meat milk, cooked meat, and grains beaten into a paste, then warmed slightly. Far more pleasurable than shroom snakes, didn’t even burn on the ways down.
I am but a mere collection of desert lizards who’ve all learned to use computers in unison.
Since everyone is already confessing to their species and spacer origin…
…I’m really a shiba inu. From space.
http://fiusms.fiu.edu/wp-content/uploads/sh2woof.jpg
@BritterSweet
I CONFESS TO NOTHING! I’m human I tell you! Human! All humans have seventeen tentacles they also eat with! All humans can digest acid but prefer pizzas! Totally, completely, absolutely human. 🙂
@ IgnoreSandra
Not sure if hooman. Smell more like feeeemale.
@freneticferet
No amount of empathy or sympathy will ever be enough for MGTOWs. In my first comment I let WHTM commenters know that I had unknowingly dated a MGTOW. He started off charming and sweet, then ever so slowly started introducing degrading comments about women. The anger and hate increased a little bit day by day wearing the fuck out of me. His constant need to be right about any and every topic. The need to let me know how much stronger and more financially successful he was (which he wasn’t). How he could trade my over the wall ass in for a newer model. BTW I was 35 and he was 47. It pissed him off to no end that I work in construction and I literally pull my own weight with the big boys. It pissed him off that in my lifetime I have read hundreds if not thousands of books on all sort of topics (because my dad raised me to seek knowledge) and that I could dispute any of his idiotic beliefs. It also pissed him off that I am an only child and that I would be the sole beneficiary of a rather large estate. When he found out what I was bound to inherit he flipped, he said what a waste that everything would be left to me, he said that my dad should not leave me anything unless I was a married woman. Before I ended things with him I tried sympathy and empathy. He would always tell me never to feel sorry for him, that it was me that he felt sorry for because I was such a pitiful worthless slut and he could easily find another woman that would be extremely grateful for what he brought to the table. No amount of kindness or caring will change these mgtow men. They love their hate too much.
Many thanks Opposable 🙂
I do feel as if some braining has occurred here.
I’m somewhat surprised at the response to my earlier note about criminality, violence, terrorism, etc. being overwhelmingly a male problem. I’m a lawyer who has done a significant amount of research about criminality, war and terrorism not too far back in my career. The numbers I cite are indeed general, but they are not pulled out of my ass. Please look at the statistics cited in Wikipedia from the Department of Justice: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_differences_in_crime
While I absolutely agree that women start wars, commit crimes and are terrorists, the statistical differences between the genders are substantial and well-documented. Nonetheless, I never hear anyone saying that men are too emotional, out of control, or illogical, etc. because of these statistics. To the contrary, I always hear about how illogical, emotional and out of control women are, all based upon no statistics at all, and only based upon feelings truly pulled out of someone’s ass.
My main point is that if you look at this logically, women have a more reasonable basis to allege that men lack self control and are too emotional to hold the reins of power rather than the alternative. But I never see this argument made, and while I’m glad we don’t stoop to this level because it is nothing more than an unfair form of stereotyping, it still bugs me. Truthfully, I suspect if women had more power in society, or controlled society, statistics would reverse. I believe (perhaps wrongly) that violence in society is a function of perceived power and privilege, not of gender.
Note too that everyone here was very quick to point out how unfair my comments were (regardless of their truthfulness), and several anecdotes were offered as evidence that women could also commit bad acts. This is exactly right. Each person, regardless of gender, stands on their own for their acts. I was just trying to point how ridiculous MRAs and MGTOWs were with their stereotyping, and that if we did it too, we have a way better case.
I also wonder what would happen if we turned the tables on them and began stereotyping them using facts like this. I once worked with a young lawyer who was very sexist. He constantly said things like women were too emotional to be president. He did this at a lunch meeting with about 30 other lawyers. I loudly argued that men were far too emotional to be trusted with power, pointing to statistics on violent crime, abuse of women, terrorism, war, etc. He was shocked and had no answer; he stuttered, turned red and shut up. At least 10 of the people at the lunch came up to me afterwards and we had extensive discussions on power, gender, etc. All of them told me that they had never thought about the issues in this manner.
Anyway, no one like to be stereotyped. And logic really doesn’t work with these guys. But maybe pointing out these ridiculous logical fallacies to others can sometimes provide a different viewpoint to those who don’t spend time thinking about gender issues.
Women alone are treated as “lost property”? I’m *pretty* sure that’s from the “Gor” novels by John Norman.
One other point. This site is a wonderful example of how feminism works. No one uses the site to catalog a list of everything that is allegedly wrong with men, qua men, although a substantial list could be made (as with any group). When I made such a list above for the purpose of showing the absurdity of such an approach without adequate explanation, I was quickly shot down.
This is a defensive site, designed to push back against MRAs and MGTOWs who are on the offensive, harassing, degrading and urging violence on, and contempt for, women. It is a site designed and used to build up women, and combat those who would bring them down. It is not a site to harass and terrorize men.
In contrast, sites for MRAs and MGTOWs are offensive, not defensive. They use their many internet sites to spend virtually all of their time listing everything they claim is wrong with women and attempting to harass and control them. The complaints are endless, conflicting, and based upon nothing but emotions. They aren’t defending men, they are attacking women. No such sites exist for women who want to attack men (or at least I’ve never read one, so they are likely rare and rarely read).
I think this dynamic is significant. Power in society is demonstrated by who has the power to speak. Who can criticize. Whose opinions are gathered and memorialized. MRAs and MGTOWs seem to instinctively understand this. Power over women is the right to constantly control through shaming, criticism, violence, etc. These sites are set up to control and shame women, for men to keep and expand their political power.
Could this dynamic be weakened by turning the tables with a tongue-in-cheek site constantly criticizing men qua men, for what they wear, how they walk, for violent crime, war, etc.? Not as a problem of society, but as men.
Probably counterproductive, but I throw it out for discussion. More gender stereotyping is probably bad in the long run. But it might show the double standard, if done with humor and by pointing out that it is being done for that purpose.
Just a thought.
^ I agree. I once read a book like that, FYI. Don’t remember the title, but it was basically a tongue-in-cheek extended argument for why women are the superior gender instead of men (it was also written quite some time ago when male chauvinism was more the norm). It was kinda funny. I got bored with it though.
Interesting lawyer story.
@Gr8Dane
I’m really sorry you had to go through that. I know what it’s like to try really hard to extend kindness towards someone only to be slapped in the face for it, but I’m fortunate that I haven’t experienced it with a significant other.
Still… I’m probably just sappy, but it’s really hard for me to think that so many people are irredeemable or unfixable. I suppose they can only fix themselves, but I don’t know what it would take for them to realize that they should. They don’t seem to know how miserable they are.