Today’s MGTOW of the Day post is actually based on a comment from 11 days ago but don’t get on my case, I never specified what day the “of the day” part of “MGTOW of the Day” means, and also this is my blog and I make the rules.
Anyway, today’s 11-day-old MGTOW of the Day comment touches on history, law, education, and biology, as some dude named Lowmetal argues that it’s all been downhill for civilization ever since women were first allowed to inherit property. Also, women are actually a whole different species than us dudes.
Damn those not-actually-human ladies and their love of civilization-destroying EDUCATION, something that Lowmetal is clearly not a big fan of.
Gotta watch out for that braining washing from those men’s not entirely human wife, Folks!
@ TiredTexan
Hmmm, no I don’t think it could. These guys are known for their amazing knack for projection. They already believe women constantly degrade men thanks to feminism, sometimes just by doing something as innocuous as having their own job. If there were such a site giving out the same rhetoric towards men as these guys do towards women, it would only give them some validation in the form of “See?! SEE?!?! There’s your proof that men are the true victims!”
I would really love to be a different species from migtoes. Between them and the shit about Manchester from the incels, I am actually starting to wonder if they are even human.
What TiredTexan said.
TiredTexan, you may be familiar with this book?
Men Are Not Cost-Effective : Male Crime in America Paperback – 1991
by June Stephenson
https://www.amazon.com/Men-Are-Not-Cost-Effective-America/dp/0941138119
I haven’t read it but saw the author on a couple of talk shows back in the day.
Some of the male commenters on Amazon lost their shiz over the facts in this book.
The author (like you, a lawyer) proposes a tax on men because they are much, much more likely to commit crime than women are. She made it clear, however, in her interviews (and, I assume, in the book) that she was joking. She’s just trying to make the point that men brag about their alleged superiority, but the evidence suggests that they are not in fact better than women.
@IgnoreSandra
Yeah, I got that card too. At first I was shocked — but then a lot of previously mysterious stuff suddenly got a lot less mysterious.
@Gr8Dane
I’m so sorry to hear that. The guy was an emotional batterer.
The kind of marriage proposal every girl dreams of. Snort.
@freneticferret
That’s a shame. I’m glad you haven’t given up on humanity. Sometimes it’s really tempting.
Lowmetal says that “braining washing has always been their tactics.”
MGTOWs, on the other hand, would never attempt braining washing. They wouldn’t hang out on comment boards and harass those who disagree with them. They certainly wouldn’t threaten them. Nor would they go on Twitter and attempt to shut down all tweeters with opposing views. Doxxing? Out of the question.
Nope, those things wouldn’t happen, couldn’t happen.
@ Tired Texan and Brittersweet;
There’s a social media presence that does a very good satirical job, called “Man who has it all”. It simply gender-reverses the sort of everyday sexism that “think pieces” and women’s magazines specialise in.
Can male film critics ever hope to be objective? Or will they always bring their male identity and male agenda to the table?
Today’s debate; should we stop calling books written by men, Dick Lit?
These, and many more gems, taken from the Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/MANWHOHASITALL/ . The comments tend to be in the same vein and get pretty savage. There’s also a Twitter and Tumblr account.
@Tired Texan : your book may work for violent crime (albeit violent criminality is underestimated among women, and only in America). But it don’t work for wars (for which the notion of “starter” is very hard ; for example, for the mythical war of Troy, should Paris be deemed responsible ? Helene, because she was willing ? Both ? Agammemnon ? For the WW1, is the Black Hand responsible ? or a governement in particular ? wouldn’t have it happened for other reason if it did not explode here ?), and it don’t work for terrorism, because it’s not like we have anything close to decent statistics on thoses.
It also don’t control for culture and society ; even if thoses figures were true, odds are that they only show that we educate women better, or simply that their social status is in the way, not their mindset. It’s a similar situation to how jews were really against nazi far-right when they were second-class german citizen, but seem to accomodate their own far right decently well now that they are first class citizen of their own country. Context is often key to behavior.
Even with thoses criticism put apart, I find your point repulsive and too prone to be used by misogynists to justify themselves. Saying there is an intrinsic difference between group A and B can alway be used to justify the superiority of group A, no matter what that difference is.
@Tosca
Thanks for that link — the Facebook page is wonderful.
@Ohlmann – TiredTexan made all those points and I think it’s perfectly obvious she was parodying MRA arguments, not stating men are naturally worse people than women.
I have used a version of this when some racist shitbag at a dinner party was justifying restricting Muslim civil liberties because so many terrorists are Muslim. I responded that I disagreed and anyway by that argument we should be restricting men’s liberties because a higher proportion of terrorist are male than Muslim. He of course was incensed at the idea that his rights would be restricted but acted as if I could only propose such a thing because I was a man hater. I replied that I would never want that because I love my husband and my brother and would never wish innocent people be persecuted because of a tenuous correlation, but I thought he was a hypocrite for only caring when it affected him.
I won the argument amongst the wider dinner party guests, although the shitbag never understood more than that I was a feminazi who wanted to lock up men. I thought his defensiveness was because racist hypocrites have to give up their logical skills to hold such stupid views – I think the commentariat here can see the difference between mirroring a stupid argument to show its absurdity and actually making that argument.
I understand why a couple of people wished to qualify TiredTexan’s comments (especially Alan, given his area of expertise), but I have to say that this (above) is not what TiredTexan meant, admittedly from my own personal reading. Noting that men commit the majority of murders, for example, is not equivalent to saying that men are inferior, unless you extend it to mean that. I don’t think that was the intention at all.
My comments have indeed stirred the pot and generated discussion, which was my purpose.
Ohlmann, I agree with you, and apologize for not making my first comment more clear. I was trying to use an argument based upon “putting the shoe on the other foot.” Essentially, I was trying to point out how absurd MRAs points were logically, and that if women used the same tactics, we’d actually have more persuasive arguments to back up our prejudices (albeit equally flawed, for the reasons I stated).
Kat, I love the “Men Are Not Cost-Effective” suggestion and am buying the book.
Britter Sweet, the problem is that there is so little consensus on what actually works to build consensus. What actually changes people’s minds over the long term? Parody? Rebellion? Protest? Opinion pieces? Logical arguments? Shaming? Religion? Moral arguments? War? Violence? Terrorism? And, are these factors different for different people?
I am reading a fascinating book about brain plasticity right now, “The Brain That Changes Itself,” that includes several studies regarding how the brain can change throughout a person’s entire life with training and mental exercises. Can such techniques be used to change minds on political issues? Could they be used by others to change minds for the worse?
Wicked Witch – you understood exactly my point. Thanks for the clarification.
Mish, your point about pointing out crime statistics without using them to claim that men are inferior is right. I was trying to say that merely because there are negative characteristics of a group that you can point to doesn’t mean that the group is inferior.
I usually browse here, and don’t comment, but I love the robust intelligence of the commenters here. Leadership really matters, and David’s stewardship keeps this wonderful dynamic going.
Tired Texan
It’s a great book, but once you’ve read all of it, you’ll see that he also argues that brain plasticity is Not Your Friend. When you see people who are nasty-sarcastic-insulting “for the lols” and think of it as a hobby are doing themselves a great disservice. In a not-very-long space of time, they can turn themselves into a genuinely nasty person just from acquiring the habits of mind and behaviour of people who always were that way.
Of course, if you go the other way and start every day looking into the mirror and smiling 5 times (one silly trick that I read in a magazine mumble years ago), you can – given enough time and persistence – have a genuinely positive effect on your general, average mood no matter how grumpy you are as a rule when you first get up, or any other time of the day.
This could go on any thread. The Onion nailed it.
Study Finds Not Acting Like Total Fucking Moron Most Attractive Quality In Potential Mate
PITTSBURGH—Saying that no characteristic was a better predictor of success in relationships, a new study released by Carnegie Mellon University’s Department of Psychology on Thursday concluded that not acting like a total fucking moron is the most attractive quality one can find in a potential mate. “Our findings indicate that, far more than physical appearance, wealth, or education level, not being a total dipshit is the single most desirable trait for attracting a romantic partner,” read the study in part, adding that the data demonstrated a robust correlation between behaving like something other than an absolute dumbass and being viewed as a worthy companion. “Nearly all of our experiment’s participants reported stronger feelings of attachment toward persons who did not conduct themselves like they were too goddamn stupid to function even one day in society, ranking them significantly higher than those who seemed incapable of acting like anything but completely nonsensical fuckwits.” Although the study couldn’t definitively determine the reasons behind this phenomenon, it speculated that it might be the result of an evolutionary imperative driving people to not want offspring with shit-for-brains genes.
Tosca, that website is hysterically funny. Thanks for the suggestion.
MildlyMag you scare me, but that sure explains a lot. Listen to Rush Limbaugh and Fox News and you are changing your brain.
In addition to being very amused by this whole thread, I have learned something of inestimable value. It explains so much, if women are a different species! I’m very relieved, actually.
Lowmetal doesn’t understand the basics of human reproduction. Humans can’t reproduce with other species.
If his mother isn’t human, then neither is his father.
And neither is he.
Did I miss the window to disclose my real species?
Re: man who has it all
https://m.facebook.com/MANWHOHASITALL/photos/a.846983778753948.1073741829.845933925525600/1281252061993782/?type=3&source=48&__tn__=E
Did whoever said this really use ‘normal’ to mean male? (I’m not referring to the genderswapped version in the picture). Good Goddesses.
@PaganReader
No, the species reveal party is still going on. Come on in.
I’m a kat.
U?