Here’s a little screenshot apparently from 4chan’s /pol/ that’s been making the rounds on the internet; I found it in the Men’s Rights subreddit. THIS IS WHY LIFE IS SO DARN EASY FOR YOU LADIES!
Wow, I didn’t even know about most of these! (Ok, I lied. I’ve seen MRAs and MGTOWs and their ilk complaining about pretty much all of these, er, facts before.)
So, ladies, which of these FEMALE PRIVILEGES are your favorites? I think I like the one about voting without having to face any “national consequences” best. Apparently all women live in different countries than the ones they vote in? WHO KNEW?
So, the ‘wear whatever they want in public while persecuting others wearing other things’ point I’m getting is the plus size person is wearing a crop top in public when before they would be advised against it due to weight/body shame VS why can’t I wear my nazi uniform to trigger feminists and Jewish people without being judged!!!!!
I wonder tiring it would be spewing the same bullshit over and over again for months, years? Racist, anti-Semitic, sexist, homophobic, transphobic bullshit.
@Skiriki (putting on my pretend-MRA hat) Clearly the women shot down the more equal draft!
@ dalillama
I think they heard this, then implied an “inevitable” in there.
If the threat of being drafted at any time so clearly upsets these men, imagine how they’d handle the constant threat of rape and murder like women (especially trans women) (extra especially like black trans women) endure?
I’m not saying I don’t think the threat of being drafted doesn’t cause trauma. I do. But to hear these guys moan in about it, your think it was the worst thing anyone ever had to deal with. This is a version of the phenomenon of white men thinking their hangnail is a more serious problem than someone else’s bullet wound.
It is very telling that while black and disabled men are under constant threat of being murdered by police, that never makes the list of grievances.
LGBTQ men are under threat of hate crimes and being denied things like jobs, housing, custody and service. Why don’t we see those things on the list of men’s dire concerns and injustice toward them?
Muslim men are treated like terrorists and cannot travel freely in the US. Why isn’t that ever a “men’s right” concern?
Why are the most safe and coddled among us so aggrieved, bitter and whiny?
@Haise, the husky puppy
I took that particular passage to mean that women wear whatever they want and expect not to be raped for it, while also making fun of SS uniforms, etc.
I don’t even know what they meant by the clothing one.
But really, “persecuting”? This is what I’m talking about.
If they do not get their way without any hint of pushback, even if their way harms someone else, they are persecuted. I don’t think they are being dishoest. I think they literally believe someone calling them an asshole for wearing a “Make me a sandwich” shirt is persecution and the same as a woman being blamed for being raped because of the shoes she wore.
@weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee
You would win that bet. I distinctly remember that in 2013, not just one MRA but many commenters on a conservative blog I used to lurk were rolling their eyes at what they all agreed was a transparent ruse to avoid sentencing to a men’s prison. Ugh.
Dreemr,
Oh, it could be that.
“If I wear a swastika, I might get punched and that’s not fair if I can’t rape a woman for showing some thigh”.
TW: rape, victim blaming, sex work
Because they see our bodies existing without being hidden as provocation to sexual violence, as sign that we are not properly humble and afraid of them. In their minds it is an implied insult to them. It isn’t lust that motivates a man to assault a woman in a miniskirt. It is rage and wounded pride. He is putting her back in her place, teaching her to fear him and men in general. The acceptable threshold for how much of a woman’s body constitutes enough to move a man to rape and murder depends on the culture. In TN recently a woman’s shoes were used to discredit her as a rape victim. Her SHOES!
This is why I believe serial killers so often attack sex workers and why a woman’s sexual history can be used against her in court. Getting paid for sex or even just having multiple lovers suggest a woman owns her own body and sexuality. It insults men who feel we should behave as if we are their possessions and that we should be subservient to them in all ways and times.
Rape is never about sex. It is always about power.
A swastika is a threat of torture and mass murder. It would not shock me if the writer of this list does indeed see a woman happy in her own body as “just as” threatening, because he feels more entitled not just to her body, but to her fear than he sees other people as entitled to their lives.
Seems to be a very common ailment among the privileged these days – look at Drumpf and his witch-hunt, or friggin’ Pence saying Christians are the most persecuted group these days, with a straight friggin’ face.
They haven’t even actually LOST any privileges, they are merely under the threat of losing their incredible advantages (or rather, everyone else is becoming aware that they enjoy more advantages than most others) and they are freaking out.
I honestly don’t get it.
White men in power love to claim they are victims of lynching and witch hunts, literally things white men in power have never had to fear, but have historically used to oppress others.
They are appropriating the very violence historically used to keep them in power to discredit any threats to their power.
@Haise
Exactly. Chan culture is basically an excuse for juvenile/young adult delinquency (extended up to your late thirties by now). It’s all about “why can’t I trigger people with no consequences?”
They feel persecuted because they are measuring from a baseline not of equality, but of the world they were born into and grew up in. The “good old days.” And, using this self-centered measurement, they are correct: a chart of white male domination of almost any field over the course of the 70-year-old Donald Trump’s lifetime would show a downward slope. People who are not white men are more visible in the US in 2017 than they were in the US in 1946.
I think that’s key to how they often manage to start with accurate facts and derive strange conclusions from them. They can state with a straight face that a decline from say 90% of X are white men to 70% of of X are white men, especially if there have been concerted efforts to make X more inclusive, is systemic oppression against them.
Their definition of “normal” rejects equality and presumes the level of white supremacy of their youth, so they experience any decline from that amount as oppression. That’s also how they can acknowledge that racists exist but claim that they are unicorns (they = Trump/Pence types, not proud racists like the Daily Stormer).
Monzach:
There is a point to complaining, but I suggest that we retain a sense of proportion with this issue.
The 20-something people who started using 4chan in 2003 are now in their mid-to-late thirties.
Although I am generally a Let’s-let-EVERYONE-vote kinda gal, I’d be in favor of revoking the right to vote from anyone who believes any of that sh*t.
Seriously, anyone so ignorant and removed from reality… you should not vote on things of national importance.
History Nerd just nailed the mindset of the average 4channer. Clearly none of them have read Vonnegut, who wrote brilliantly at the end of Mother Night:
Just as a side observation: do these guys read any literature? Not to be a snob, but the parables contained in any number of classic books should have opened the rank-and-file Channer up the perils and pitfalls of operating as they do. Hamlet alone should serve as a cautionary tale of how myopic obsession can lead one to destruction.
It’s dismaying how small-minded these people are. It can’t all be chalked up to youth; I mean, I had my moments of thinking the world revolved around me, but this nihilistic pursuit of “lulz” from the pain of others just baffles me. A part of me wants to strap them to a chair and hold their eyes open Ludavico-style and force them to watch the final speech from The Great Dictator until it penetrates their skulls:
Any time I’m feeling put low by the alt-right and the Donald Trump sideshow, Chappers is there to remind me of why we do what we do.
@JS
Good, that was a guess #1. You still got two guesses left!
Wait, my sister can’t be sent to prison? I think I have an idea how we can raise the money for the down payment on our condo…
We just have to hit a different bank than the one we’re getting the mortgage from, right?
(/sarcasm)
@ preuxfox
Lea,
I know I’m sick to death of Trump saying he’s the victim of a witch hunt when we all know he’d gleefully cheer women being executed and tortured back in the witch trial days.
boy do i LOVE wearing whatever i want in public! as a young fat woman no one EVER polices my body. i definitely never got in trouble for violating “dress code” in school. and i was never taught that wearing too little clothing would cause men to be unable to stop themselves from raping me. what a strange world that would be, huh?
/s -_-
@History Nerd:
@Serebrianyi Golub:
@Gussie Jives:
I’ve said before that the best description I can find for the chan philosophy is evangelical nihilism. They believe that nothing matters, and they get surprisingly offended that others disagree.
Every so often I get into a discussion about science or video games with channers. I’m always puzzled by the fact that while they sometimes have surface enthusiasm for such things, they almost never love them enough to do anything with them; and get downright hostile when you ask them about it.
(As an aside, the best way I’ve found to really annoy a channer, should you feel the need to, is to ask them what their perfect indie video game would be; then volunteer to help them program it. The moment that I suggest that they actually do any work, they suddenly turn against the project. They would rather do nothing at all than help to create value in the world, even if it’s value that they themselves came up with.)
This, I think, is why channers are drawn to atheist spaces and other places where they can “debate”: tearing down ideas, and hurting people who date to holding beliefs, are things that fit naturally into their evangelical nihilism.
Chaplin… that was something, wasn’t it? Starts off kinda slow and wooden, but it definitely improves as he gets into it. Not just a comedian!
Of course women have no stake in national consequences.. they can’t be drafted!
But men can’t be drafted at the moment either… um, um.. um….
Of course, nothing else matters to women, not the economy, their health, the environment…
Oh, wait.. of all the issues women vote on, “the draft” was probably not even mentioned…
Hmm, MRA reasoning is hard to follow…
Not to take anything away from Chaplin, but that was Hitler’s style of speaking that he’s imitating. Hitler, while supposedly very charismatic in person, had terrible stage fright, and would have to get “warmed up” before he really got into it.
There was a documentary I saw years ago comparing Hitler & Mussolini’s speeches. In it was a fascinating set of pictures & short films about how Hitler constantly rehearsed his speeches, and gestures, to be sure he’d get them right. But he usually started very slow & halting, unsure of what reception he would get, although even some of that was part of the “act”.
Usually, when we see snippets of his speeches these days, we only see the end, with him ranting to raving crowds, but if you watch the entire speech, you can see where Chaplin got the style from.