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MGTOWs: Ban Mother’s Day because women are the rectum of civilization

Happy Mom Jeans Day to all my MGTOW readers!

So this Mother’s Day I got two very thoughtful gifts from a couple of my MGTOW readers, who evidently decided to take a few minutes off from their busy schedule of Going Their Own Way to write me a couple of epic comments about how Mother’s Day should be banned and “the women of society responsible for gynocentrism enslaving men” summarily executed. Also something about rectums.

Obviously I have to share their wisdom with you all.

Let’s start with the shorter and more succinct of the two comments, from a fellow calling himself Beta Men’s Uprising and/or MGTOWRebel.

What you women have done to us men is completely and utterly shameful, more cruel than any regime in history.

Well, he’s off to a good start!

Mother’s day should be banned and instead celebrated as a day of mourning for the millions of men that you have caused to commit suicide or that you killed via having them worked to death in shortening their lifespan in our society. Shame on you.

Damn, I hate it when the ladies shorten my lifespan.

When the Beta males of society have had enough and start an uprising against your tyrannical regime just see what happens to Chad.

Not Chad! Leave Chad alone!

I mourn on this day the hundreds of millions of men who have died because of women throughout history, your crimes will not be unforgotten and it will remember.

“It” will remember? This guy?

It never forgets.

And now we get to the inevitable bit about how the ladies should all be killed:

You will be made to pay one day when the women of society responsible for gynocentrism enslaving men to be protectors/providers via shaming are put to trial in court. I bet they will be executed.

But if you kill all these ladies, including your mom, who will bring you your chicken tendies?

While Beta Men’s Uprising, whatever his other flaws, is admirably brief, CaptainAmazing treats us to an muddled and overlong disquisition on civilization and socialism and the evil that is ladies.

True, he ends with a real zinger. But we have to get there first.

Feminists are a sick lot, are they not. It’s all about forced wealth and power transfer. Women can’t build civilizations nor maintain them, nor implement laws and policies that are ‘egalitarian’ – because ‘egalitarian’ means negative exposure to women – so they demonize men to continue their sloth and cowardliness – and call it ‘feminism’.

I’m sorry, I sort of spaced out halfway through that paragraph. You were saying something about sloths?

Here are some ladies washing baby sloths and literally hanging them out to dry.

CaptainAmazing then treats us to some thoughts on socialism, Venezuela, and how “there’s a low IQ correlation with Socialists, Democrats and the left in general.” It’s too boring to quote at length. Then he takes on the issue of immigrants and how they’re raping everyone.

You’ll never hear about the suffering already well underway in Scandinavia because the state controls the media.

Scandinavia: The chilliest hell on earth.

The same is happening across Europe – more and more they forbid the media from posting bad press regarding socialism, ‘diversity’ and mass immigration. They want you to remain ignorant so that their plan to force wealth and power from others to themselves can succeed. They don’t want you to know that the real reason for mass immigration is to cover the failures of feminism and the rapidly declining native birth and marriage rates. 

After getting mad at the ladies for not having babies, he gets mad at the ladies for having babies.

Prostate cancer is an illness. Having a baby is a life choice. Should men pay for women’s cars as well as their maternity ‘life choices’? If women decide to get into accidents on purpose, should men still have to pay for that, too? What about reducing the world population, reducing resource consumption and climate change? Shouldn’t women be punished for having babies?

I’m going to say … no?

So if you decide not to do much with your life or obtain a worthless degree, everyone else should pay for it? Same with your health – if you decide to destroy it through bad habits and choices – should everyone else have to pay for your bad choices? To a socialist (Democrat) – the answer is of course a resounding “YES!”

Yes please!

Free food, free housing, free healthcare, free childcare, free minimum income, free education, mandatory paid maternity leave, minimum mandatory income, open borders!

If only.

Wow. You socialists sure do love your forced wealth and power transfer from the producers to the consumers. Ah…the joys of the welfare state (socialism) and the millions upon millions that will be murdered should they stand in socialism’s (Democrat’s) way.

How did we get from “free education” to “millions being murdered?”

It’s all so obvious. Since men built and maintained all of civilization, since men were trafficked, exploited and disposed of for women’s and the states advancement and all of the laws that give women and the state their rights and privileges over the common man, shouldn’t there be a female-only draft and a 100% female-only front-line fighting force, in reparation to men, as it was men’s lives that were sacrificed at the alter of two circles and a triangle and women’s true husband (the state).

The “alter of two circles and a triangle?” I think he’s talking about boobs and vaginas, but I’m not completely sure.

Shouldn’t the state be the first sent to the front lines since they’re the primary tax payer teat suckers?

Er what now?

How bouts some quotas for women in the most dirty, most dangerous, most life threatening and life shortening jobs (traditional male roles) instead of only the most prestigious, most powerful, most lucrative positions? You see, this is why socialism sucks. It’s so easy to defeat logically, but only if you’re able to think logically and not just wif yo feewings.

“Wif yo feewings?” Is he trying to be racist or condescending or both?

Hypocrisy and double standards are synonymous with socialism (aka feminism, aka Democrats). Socialists are so ignorant that they don’t realize the ‘leaders’ of socialist states eventually plunder the ‘public trust’ and transfer it all to their personal offshore accounts, leaving the vast majority of the population enslaved and in deep poverty.

Dude I think you just described the Trump administration.

But no one knows until it’s too late because the state controls the media. By the time the public learns the truth – it’s all over but the dying. Shared misery – it’s a Democrat/socialist thing.

Worst Democratic party slogan ever.

Go to Venezuela, Democrats. Please go and please don’t come back. There you’ll find your socialist utopia. That or go to South Africa, where they kill non-blacks for sport – with full government support. Or illegally immigrate to the Middle East, where you’ll be beaten, raped, ransomed, tortured and only then beheaded and thrown in prison.

Er, I thought this was going to be about Mother’s Day. What happened?

Socialism = Feminism = Democrat.

Ah, here we go again!

It’s the forced wealth and power transfer from men to women & the state, because two circles and a triangle. The common men build and maintain society – get used, exploited and disposed of – do all of the fighting and dying for women’s and the state’s advancement – and then women and the state destroy those same men and ‘culturally appropriate’ the spoils of ‘toxic masculinity’ for themselves.

Really? They’re doing a terrible job with the expropriation, then. The median wealth of single women of working age is less than half of that of their male counterparts.

It’s a good game if you’re a part of the many resplendent ‘oppressed’ victim groups (i.e, a female, gay, lesbian, transgender, minority or politician).

Yes, no one has it easier than black women. Who are also lesbians. And trans.

And then came MGTOW. Oh. Now that’s rich. You bishes have no idea what you’ve done.

They’ve … existed?

Mother’s Day Now Represents True Womanhood: The Partnership of the State and the Grim Reapers of Life and Arbiters of Death Through Mass Abortion (Feminists).

I made that into a Mother’s Day card. You’re welcome!

Love, your son

And now, at last, the zinger!

Congrats, ‘ladies’. You’ve earned it. You are truly the rectum of civilization. The only difference between then and now is everyone sees you for who you truly are – and they’re desperately reaching for a butt wipe.

Happy Mother’s Day to you too, fellas!

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IgnoreSandra
IgnoreSandra
3 years ago

IQ is just a questionable concept in its entirety. It’s applied and measured in a way that is racist and classist and misogynist, and I don’t put much stock in the numbers or in people who crow about having high numbers or others having low numbers.

I will say, though, that whatever their theoretical knowledge and experience and capabilities, having a right wing view completely disallows practical application of those things because it depends so much on living in a fantasy world.

Serebrianyi Golub
Serebrianyi Golub
3 years ago

@Sister Bat’leth of Rational Discussion:
Great episode. I wish MGTOWs were as benign as Jonathan! They come off more like Warren, megalomaniacal angry nerd and creator of not one but two sexbots.

Wolverine's granddad (formerly Kevin)
Wolverine's granddad (formerly Kevin)
3 years ago

@Pie
Re: Disposing of testes. I read somewhere that eunuchs lived longer than non – eunuchs. I now regret the time I lost my rag with Darius Invalidated and threatened him with a groinal trim – It would have done him a favour.

Scolar Visari
Scolar Visari
3 years ago

IgnoreSandraThat might explain why someone in the Yahoo news comments sections reliably insists on repeating an entire screed on why, “blacks are dumb” every time a non-Aryan is mentioned and hawks uncited IQ test results. I kid you not: I literally just pulled up the article on the recent cross bur- I mean protests against the removal of Confederate monuments, and it’s the one post with the most replies. To share some of the enlightenment . . .

No pre-contact Black society ever created a written language, or weaved cloth, or forged steel, or invented the wheel, or plow, or devised a calendar, or code of laws, or system of measurement, or math, or built a multi-story structure, or sewer, or drilled a well, or irrigated, or created any agriculture, or built a road, or sea-worthy vessel. They never domesticated animals, or exploited underground natural resources, or produced anything that could be considered a mechanical device.

So I’m guessing aliens must’ve introduced iron working into ancient sub-Saharan Africa? I suppose that the aliens, needing cattle to mutilate, must’ve also been the ones to first introduce the long tradition of cattle raising in Africa. I’m sure the calendar circle megaliths at Nabta Playa are also just boulders that happened to move themselves through the power of rock.

Though my humor glands are nonetheless excited in great irony when these posts are parroted, seeing as governments championing racialism tend to be blatantly anti-intellectual themselves. Sure, they still need scientists to tell us why people are stupid on account of something some genius pulled out of his arse in the 19th Century, but we don’t need do know the rest of that biology nonsense. Eek gad! What if they were Jewish scientists? Probably moral relativists, I’m sure!

Though, at any rate, it’s quite sad that prehistoric African civilizations (with the exception of Egypt, for the most part, they’re really not from Africa guise!) are criminally undertaught. Just like those pesky Native Americans, learning that other cultures did not solely conform to the stereotype of dark hunter-gatherers is inconvenient and takes up valuable space that’s better spent on American exceptionalism!

Kivutar
Kivutar
3 years ago

The “women both should and shouldn’t have babies” is a funny contradiction, but the one that has always confused me is how these guys (and my IRL brother) simultaneously say that women shouldn’t have jobs and complain that women take resources from men. Pick one, because women have to survive somehow, so what are we supposed to do?

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
3 years ago

@ scolar visari

As someone with an obsession for megalithic architecture I wish there was more taught about Africa. If you like that sort of thing it’s a bit of a goldmine; Zimbabwe means ‘big walls’ for example, so there’s a clue there. As for Egypt, I’ve mentioned the Kush/Nubia connection on some recent posts. But as for the demographics of Egypt itself I’ll just stick this here.

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Imaginary Petal
Imaginary Petal
3 years ago

Contrary to common Republican wisdom, the state does not control the media here in good ol’ Scandinavia.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
3 years ago

Just like those pesky Native Americans

I also have a bit of a thing for medicine wheels.

http://www.ancient-origins.net/sites/default/files/field/image/Medicine-Wheel-photo.jpg

CriticalDragon1177
3 years ago

David Futrelle,

Reading all of this makes me really glad that MGTOWs usually don’t want to have children. It only makes it even less likely that their patriarchal “utopia” will ever come to be. It must be horrible to have so much hatred for half the population, including your own mother.

Monzach
Monzach
3 years ago

@Imaginary Petal

I can concur that, even if I’m not from Scandinavia proper, just Fennoscandia (as well as being Nordic, of course). In fact, the state broadcaster here in Finland is decidedly in the minority when it comes to TV broadcasting, although they do have quite a few radio channels. All the newspapers are privately owned, but who reads those anymore? 😉

Viscaria the Cheese Hog
Viscaria the Cheese Hog
3 years ago

Contrary to common Republican wisdom, the state does not control the media here in good ol’ Scandinavia.

They’re making you say that! I’m no sheep!

Matt
Matt
3 years ago

You’ll never hear about the suffering already well underway in Scandinavia because the state controls the media.

Lines like this are so handy – easily spotted, and make it blatantly clear that the writer gets all of his news from people who think the Nazis were waaaaaaay too circumspect with the Blut und Boden.

CriticalDragon1177
3 years ago

What you women have done to us men is completely and utterly shameful, more cruel than any regime in history.

Mother’s day should be banned and instead celebrated as a day of mourning for the millions of men that you have caused to commit suicide or that you killed via having them worked to death in shortening their lifespan in our society. Shame on you.

Yeah, never mind the fact that if it weren’t for all of the world’s mothers, there would be no men in the first place.

As for your claim that what women have done to us men is so “utterly shameful, more cruel than any regime in history,” that is just ridiculous. Women are generally not responsible for men being worked to death, or committing suicide. Women in our society couldn’t even vote until the 20th century. Even after women were given a say in politics, men still held onto the power, and most people in positions of power in our society and across the world, are still men. What exactly have women in America done to outdo the evil of the Third Reich, Soviet Russia, Communist China, Cambodia under Pol Pot, Apartheid South Africa, Afghanistan under the Taliban, Iran, Saudi Arabia, or ISIS? All of those societies were, or are run by men by the way, and in one way or another, in each of them, women, as well as men were, or are, still being brutally oppressed. I’m sorry MGTOWRebel, but your pitiful whining is being drowned out by the screams of the actual victims of oppression world wide!

Ooglyboggles
3 years ago

@Fran
Cuteness will envelope horror until all is adorable.

@Artic Ape
Better keep the heads at bay, don’t want another Body Snatcher Incident.

CriticalDragon1177
3 years ago

@Imaginary Petal

Contrary to common Republican wisdom, the state does not control the media here in good ol’ Scandinavia.

If there really are a significant number of Republicans here in America who believe that’s the case, I would love for them to give us some concrete examples of how the state controls the media there.

bluecat
bluecat
3 years ago

It’s all so obvious

Nanny Ogg's Bosom (formerly LostInLindsey)
Nanny Ogg's Bosom (formerly LostInLindsey)
3 years ago

I got distracted by the sloths.

Vanir85
Vanir85
3 years ago

“Contrary to common Republican wisdom, the state does not control the media here in good ol’ Scandinavia.”

– Imaginary Petal

In the real world; Norway, Sweden, Finland and Denmark TOP the World Press Freedom Index.

In Republicandland, ofc, that’s just proof how the evil illuminati (or the commies, or the Jews, or the lizard people, or the global corporations, or the aliens, or whatever) are hiding the truth!

Because; if these countries had *real* press freedom – the press there would write things Republicanland could agree with; like how immigrants are evil and socialism ruins everything – you know, like the bastions of truth – Breitbart, Fox News and Infowars.

😀

Makroth - wild west firecracker window-smashing soap-averse unionized cowboy Jacobin from Hell
Makroth - wild west firecracker window-smashing soap-averse unionized cowboy Jacobin from Hell
3 years ago

If they worked towards women having the same opportunities as men, most of the things they rails against would be fixed. I think i know why he rails against women both having and not having babies. Most aren’t barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen 24/7. He wants complete subjugation of women. Simple as that.

mrex
mrex
3 years ago

“for the millions of men that you have caused to commit suicide”

CAUSED to commit suicide? I don’t want to belittle suffering, but suicide is a CHOICE, not something that automatically happens when a certain pain threshold is reached. “I’ll commit suicide because you [blank]” is a manipulative ploy, brah.

“that you killed via having them worked to death in shortening their lifespan in our society. Shame on you.”

Yes, literally the only reason why men die sooner than women is because men work themselves to death, while women stay at home eating the bonbons. This perfectly explains why male newborns die at several times the rate as female newborns. Damn the gynocracy, enslaving males with shame before they’re even able to latch onto a nipple properly. Poor nipcels.

On the bright side, this is good news for the development of my “newborn boy coalmining pick”. The pick is powered completely by the baby boy’s random leg kicking, and his grasp reflex ensures that he will not be able to let the pick go until his 5 month birthday, or death, whichever occurs first.

On a more serious note;

@Pie
“Hey buddy, wanna live longer? Cut your balls off. Do it. They’re obviously not doing you any good as it is, so you won’t lose anything of value.”

Nah, I’m sure his balls are doing him tons of good regulating his hormones and improving his life, but one thing they are NOT doing is extending his lifespan. Testosterone raises levels of bad cholesterol (hello heart disease) and feeds (or directly causes) prostate cancer.

@Second asshole

“Prostate cancer is an illness. Having a baby is a life choice.”

So glad you mentioned prostate cancer, which of course strikes randomly and has absolutely nothing to do with ‘lifestyle choices’. (That’s /sarcasm asshole). But beyond even ‘lifestyle choices’, since castration largely prevents prostate cancer, and since it can be done cheaply and relatively painlessly, why should my health insurance pay extra for your desire to remain intact?

Oh, because you wish to have children in the future? But I thought that paying any money towards people’s reproductive ‘life choices’ is bad?

“Should men pay for women’s cars as well as their maternity ‘life choices’?”

Let me point out that even you put scare quotes around ‘life choices’. And yes, until human women can reproduce asexually, we expect men who make paternal “life choices”* to help support their offspring. If you’re whining about prenatal care being covered by health insurance, then maybe we should review how health insurance works?

“If women decide to get into accidents on purpose, should men still have to pay for that, too?”

If it’s on purpose then it’s not an accident, asshole. And yes, car insurance covers at-fault accidents by the insured, providing that you pay your premiums. Again, do we need to go over how insurance works?

” Free food, free housing, free healthcare, free childcare, free minimum income, free education, mandatory paid maternity leave, minimum mandatory income…”

Yeah yeah yeah, no such thing as a free lunch and all that. But I want to ask about one thing;

“free education”

Are you saying that you never went to school?

Color me shocked!

*I have no problem with men disavowing paternity in cases of reproductive coercion.

Citizen Rat
Citizen Rat
3 years ago

Socialist = Feminist = Democrat?

Oh, we wish that were true! Then maybe we would stop seeing think-pieces like “Democrats should court the Pro-Life Movement” or such other nonsense like how healthcare-for-all is a bad strategy for the D’s.

LindsayIrene, Rioting Werebonobo

Amanda Marcotte has unearthed a whole new level of misogyny. And it looks like a lot of the perpetrators are female.

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mrex
mrex
3 years ago

One thing I have to say though, I do think that pregnant women should be charged family rates for the months that they were pregnant. Even if it doesn’t save any money after all the paperwork it creates.

Dodom
Dodom
3 years ago

“Free food, free housing, free healthcare, free childcare, free minimum income, free education, mandatory paid maternity leave, minimum mandatory income, open borders! ”

If we don’t stop the feminists soon we’ll live in a literal utopia! All the oh noes!!!

PeeVee the (Timber-Rattling Booger Slut, But Noice) Sarcastic
PeeVee the (Timber-Rattling Booger Slut, But Noice) Sarcastic
3 years ago

I am so goddamned sick and tired of this shit.

“Dependas.”

Damned if women do, damned if women don’t.

Damned.

Pie
Pie
3 years ago

@Wolverine’s grandad

Re: Disposing of testes. I read somewhere that eunuchs lived longer than non – eunuchs

Yep. The big increase in lifespan probably only comes for those who were castrated as children and never went through puberty, but even as an adult there are things like testicular cancer which could be entirely avoided and prostate cancer which would be much less likely once the danglies were taken elsewhere. And that’s not even mentioning cardiac health, or the reduction in stress and anger, less oily skin, no male pattern baldness… the list is practically endless.

Honestly guys, the evil castrating totalitarian femoid state really has your best interests at heart, if you think about it.

@mrex

Nah, I’m sure his balls are doing him tons of good regulating his hormones and improving his life, but one thing they are NOT doing is extending his lifespan.

Uh, yes. That’s why I suggested that if he considered a longer lifespan important, he’d get rid of them. That was the whole point of the comment, you see.

Also, re: “improving his life”, given his little screed, I’m gonna have to say “assumes facts not in evidence” 😉

Gipsz Jakab
Gipsz Jakab
3 years ago

@Serebrianyi Golub:

That article you linked (on the previous page) raised some mildly interesting points until it descended into “HURR DURR TUMBLR FEMINISM FREEZE PEACH” near the end.

The Real Cie
3 years ago

I hope these MGTOWs mothers find out what they’ve been up to and kick them out.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

The contradiction that women’s purpose in life is to have babies, yet they should be punished for having babies is nothing new. It’s a main feature of right wing “thought.” It’s just not usually stated quite so nakedly.

Just look at the anti-choice movement. On the surface it would appear that they oppose abortion because they believe that it murders babies. Yet they don’t support welfare programs that will keep those babies alive once they’re born. And they tend to be for exceptions when the pregnancy is the result of rape. If the rape is one they find “legitimate.” A white virgin who’s been assaulted by a stranger at gunpoint. When pressed, anti-choicers will tell you that women need to face consequences for becoming pregnant and that they shouldn’t be able to take the easy way out and get an abortion.

It’s got nothing to do with babies. It has everything to do with sex and punishing us for having it. Captain asshat really means that women should have our bodies controlled by men. We can make the lifestyle choice of marrying young to a domineering man of the same race as us and that’s okay if we have sex and make babies in that lifestyle. If we make the lifestyle choice that makes misogynists uncomfortable and freely choose when we have sex and who we have sex with, we must be punished whether it’s by forcing us to carry an unwanted pregnancy to term, forcing us to live in poverty or just raping us.

It’s not so much that babies are a lifestyle choice, it’s that misogynists are enraged that we ever make any choices at all. They don’t like us to have any choices in any area, but as pregnancy doesn’t occur in a cis man’s body, they can’t control it in a free and democratic society. Babies and pregnancy become the focus for male rage and entitlement and as a consequence, are also latched onto by female misogynists. Because no better way to suck up to misogynistic men than by giving up control of your body and assisting in giving away the control other women have over our bodies.

Dalillama: Irate Social Engineer

@mrex

Yeah yeah yeah, no such thing as a free lunch and all that.

Point of order: that’s true from a thermodynamic perspective, but not from an economic one. To use the particular case that originated the saying as an example, it was at one time customary for bars in the U.S. to offer a free lunch to anybody who bought a beer. Naysayers of a classical economics bent insisted that the lunch wasn’t free, because if the bars didn’t offer one they could sell the beer cheaper. However, bars don’t offer free lunch anymore, and the beer’s just as expensive as ever.

One thing I have to say though, I do think that pregnant women should be charged family rates for the months that they were pregnant. Even if it doesn’t save any money after all the paperwork it creates.

For what?

mrex
mrex
3 years ago

@Pie
“Also, re: “improving his life”, given his little screed, I’m gonna have to say “assumes facts not in evidence” 😉”

Castration can have some pretty nasty side effects.

Yes, in general, spayed and neutered animals live longer than intact animals. (And yes, that spayed AND neutered, both male AND female). And it’s fun to sarcastically poke fun at beta-uprisings logic; that prostate cancer, and presumably other male diseases, are pure and innocent because they cannot be the result of choices. Which is dubious logic if there ever was any.

But all CIS men use their testicles for hormones at all times, right? Just like all CIS women use their ovaries for hormones at all times, right? 😉

Pie
Pie
3 years ago

@mrex

Castration can have some pretty nasty side effects.

Yeah, this is true. I wasn’t being entirely serious, of course, but the physical side effects at least can be largely taken care of by modern medicine.

And it’s fun to sarcastically poke fun at beta-uprisings logic; that prostate cancer, and presumably other male diseases, are pure and innocent because they cannot be the result of choices. Which is dubious logic if there ever was any.

Though of course, that oft-cited MGTOW fear – spermjacking – could be easily avoided by the M in question having his tubes tied. Can’t be tricked into having children if you’re shooting blanks! But no, they’d rather choose to remain manly virile men of action, ready to perpetuate their race at a moment’s notice, should the need arise.

(and on a less frivolous note, there’s also the choice to wallow in their feeling of despair and anger and nurse their grievances resulting in the injuries and deaths of themselves and others, because they aren’t the ones to blame and they shouldn’t have to change because everyone else drove them to it, etc etc ad nauseam…)

mrex
mrex
3 years ago

Not making the edit, so;

@Dali

” To use the particular case that originated the saying as an example, it was at one time customary for bars in the U.S. to offer a free lunch to anybody who bought a beer. Naysayers of a classical economics bent insisted that the lunch wasn’t free, because if the bars didn’t offer one they could sell the beer cheaper. However, bars don’t offer free lunch anymore, and the beer’s just as expensive as ever.”

Cool, I never heard the origin story. It’s interesting. And I was brushing him off, Dali. 😉

BUT, for argument’s sake, wouldn’t the “no free lunch” be the bar eating the cost of the lunch? After all, the bar didn’t get/grow the food for free, and it’s a loss to them, even if they make it up elsewhere. 🙂

“For what?”

For the same reason why we have family plans for parents with babies. There’s two intact bodies for things to go wrong in, instead of just one. Prenatal care is for the fetus as much as, if not sometimes more than, the mother.

Robert Walker-Smith
Robert Walker-Smith
3 years ago

I’ve been reading Quora lately (it’s a site for posting questions and answers to questions). There have been a few questions about Sweden recently that suggest that the questioner imagines Stockholm as Mogadishu with snow.

Fortunately, there are people who know the facts on the ground answering.

It reminds me of the ‘expert’ on counterterrorism who asserted that the entirety of Birmingham UK was a Muslim enclave​ and no-go zone for civil authority.

The yowling hammerheads in the OP seem very unhappy with their lives, which is one of the few things I agree with them on. That is, I agree that their lives are not what they believe they should be; I disagree with their interpretation of the causes. One of the hardest lessons I’ve learned is that when the model of the world in your mind disagrees with the reality of the world outside your mind, reality is usually correct.

mrex
mrex
3 years ago

Not making the edit again….

@Pie

” Yeah, this is true. I wasn’t being entirely serious, of course, but the physical side effects at least can be largely taken care of by modern medicine.”

Yeah, but giving castrated men HRT will undo the protection they would’ve recieved against prostate cancer. It’s testosterone that literally feeds the cancer.

And I figured you weren’t being serious. Just didn’t know where you were going with it. 😉

” could be easily avoided by the M in question having his tubes tied. Can’t be tricked into having children if you’re shooting blanks! “

To be fair, I think sometimes young men have problems getting doctors to tie their tubes if they’re single and childless.

Dalillama: Irate Social Engineer

Cool, I never heard the origin story. It’s interesting. And I was brushing him off, Dali. 😉

BUT, for argument’s sake, wouldn’t the “no free lunch” be the bar eating the cost of the lunch? After all, the bar didn’t get/grow the food for free, and it’s a loss to them, even if they make it up elsewhere. 🙂

Nope. Cos the free lunch was only a part of the food that was sold; they also did dinners, between meals snacks, etc. And indeed you could pay for a fancier lunch than the free one if you so desired. In other words, they’re buying food in regardless. And if you’ve ever worked in a restaurant you’ll have noticed that a lot of food ends up getting thrown out; this is inevitable because you can’t predict in advance what dishes will be popular or whether you’ll be busier than expected in general, so you buy plenty. Then the stuff that doesn’t get sold gets old, and bad. So, before it hits that point, but it’s getting close, there’s no actual economic downside to just giving it to whoever wants it: you’re eating the cost either way. That’s just part of the overhead of serving food.

For the same reason why we have family plans for parents with babies. There’s two intact bodies for things to go wrong in, instead of just one. Prenatal care is for the fetus as much as, if not sometimes more than, the mother.

Since the pregnant person’s body is inevitably involved in any such treatment, I fail to see any benefit to arseing around with additional paperwork. Not to mention that the elimination (at least as a primary sources of health care financing) of for profit health insurance is one of the points under discussion in the first place.

Hambeast, disorderly she-tornado and breaker of windows
Hambeast, disorderly she-tornado and breaker of windows
3 years ago

AWWW! Bathing babby sloths is best brain bleach!

Captain Amazing from the OP said

It’s a good game if you’re a part of the many resplendent ‘oppressed’ victim groups (i.e, a female, gay, lesbian, transgender, minority or politician).

So I guess the western world is ruled by a resplendently oppressed trans lesbian woman of color. Named Katie.

banned@4chan said

This guy opposes minimum wage, but is also worried about transfer of wealth from “producers” to “consumers?” Well, it’s not like he sees a contradiction anywhere else in his screed.

Yeah, this really puzzles me since the consumers are the real producers (unless we’re talking about show business.)

Scolar Visari said

Though, at any rate, it’s quite sad that prehistoric African civilizations (with the exception of Egypt, for the most part, they’re really not from Africa guise!) are criminally undertaught.

Truth! Let me just plug this PBS primer again; it was six hours of rapt fascination for me: http://www.pbs.org/show/africas-great-civilizations/

Kivutar said

…women shouldn’t have jobs and complain that women take resources from men. Pick one, because women have to survive somehow, so what are we supposed to do?

We’re supposed to submit to them completely. AS IF, menzers; eat seagulls and walk on all the legos 5evur!

PeeVee – That “dependa” thing, ugh. I’ll make a shameful admission right here: I used to be a chill girl while I was active duty in the 1980s (I got better) but I never dissed or threw shade at dependent wives. I was even friends with a few and I knew they didn’t live a life of ease. I can also tell you that their husbands did a lot of screwing around behind their backs.

I can’t say for sure, but I sincerely believe that the whole “what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas” meme was filched wholesale from “what happens TDY stays TDY.”

mrex said

To be fair, I think sometimes young men have problems getting doctors to tie their tubes if they’re single and childless.

Probably not as much as single, childless women, though. I’m saying this as someone who got laughed at by a USAF doctor at age 24. Still childless at 57, btw.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

Giving a fetus status as a separate person to be separately covered under a health plan can only give ammunition to forced birthers. There’s too much at stake to ever give a fetus any kind of legal or financial personhood status. Besides, a fetus isn’t a separate body. It’s not like a uterus is temporary housing the fetus is hanging out in. The fetus attached in there, living off the pregnant person’s body. Until birth, the fetus is very much a part of the pregnant person’s body. Even if there were no political implications to counting a fetus as a separate person, it doesn’t make biological sense to me either.

dreemr
dreemr
3 years ago

@wwth

Giving a fetus status as a separate person to be separately covered under a health plan can only give ammunition to forced birthers. There’s too much at stake to ever give a fetus any kind of legal or financial personhood status. Besides, a fetus isn’t a separate body.

Thanks – I haven’t been up-to-date on this thread but this is what I was going to point out. Thank you for doing so!

Dalillama: Irate Social Engineer

@Hambeast

I can’t say for sure, but I sincerely believe that the whole “what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas” meme was filched wholesale from “what happens TDY stays TDY.”

That particular formulation appears to have been coined by ruggers, or possibly rock musicians as ‘what happens on [tour/the road], stays on [tour/the road]’. The sentiment, however, appears to have been common to soldiers (as well as sailors and other traveling occupations) for as long as there’ve been any. See for instance this verse from the folk song “Gentleman Soldier”:
“Now come, you gentleman soldier, and won’t you marry me?”
“Oh no, my dearest Polly, such things can never be,
For married I am already and children I have three;
Two wives are allowed in the army but one’s too many for me.””

Haise, the husky puppy
Haise, the husky puppy
3 years ago

Also to add to the convo of pro-life & pro-choice, many mgtows flirt with the racist ideology of the alt-right too. mgtowrebel pointed out how awful he thinks immigration and diversity is. So standing against abortions in their minds would be preventing white women access to safe abortions. They don’t care about woc, gay / asexual women or trans women issues.

They’d force women to give birth so on paper, white people have high birth rates and look successful, then forget about the children soon after. Who cares about their quality of life. It’s just about one-upping other ethnicities and races.

Pie
Pie
3 years ago

@mrex

Yeah, but giving castrated men HRT will undo the protection they would’ve recieved against prostate cancer. It’s testosterone that literally feeds the cancer.

You don’t need too much to stave off osteoporosis. The excess is only needed to let one bludgeon other men unconscious with ones colossal sack, and fertilise their womenfolk. So I’m lead to believe.

To be fair, I think sometimes young men have problems getting doctors to tie their tubes if they’re single and childless.

That’s a very good point. Plenty of manospherians are no spring chickens, though!

Too bad chemical and reversible long term male contraception still isn’t here. I wonder what the uptake would be like.

Chaos-Engineer
Chaos-Engineer
3 years ago

It’s always jarring to read one of these nonsensical rants and find one genuinely good idea buried somewhere in the middle:

Shouldn’t the state be the first sent to the front lines since they’re the primary tax payer teat suckers?

Which reminds me of this old song:

The bankers and the diplomats are going in the army,
It seemed too bad to keep them from the wars they love to plan.
We’re all of us contented that they’ll fight a dandy war,
They don’t need propaganda, they know what they’re fighting for.
They’ll march away with dignity and in the best of form,
And we’ll just keep the laddies here to keep the lassies warm.

peep
peep
3 years ago

What you women have done to us

I like to think this rant has been finely tuned over the years as Mr MGTOW ruefully watches women walk by beneath his apartment window

Hambeast, disorderly she-tornado and breaker of windows
Hambeast, disorderly she-tornado and breaker of windows
3 years ago

Dalillama – You’ve got a point; it probably started with prehistoric tribes during foraging: “What happen in berry patch stay in berry patch!” (see what I did there?)

mrex
mrex
3 years ago

@WWTH

” There’s too much at stake to ever give a fetus any kind of legal or financial personhood status.”

Yeah I agree that fetuses should not be given legal personhood, but IMO I don’t think that charging family rates for pregnant women would give them that. What’s your legal argument? 🙂 And let me point out that pregnant women are already allowed on many welfare programs that are normally closed off to childless women, including TANF.

As far as forced birthers go, they already have all the ammunition they will ever need with their lies and their appeals to emotion.

“Besides, a fetus isn’t a separate body.

Yes, it literally is. It has it’s own DNA and it’s own blood type*, and as time goes on, it’s own immune system and it’s own organs. If late term, it can feel pain without the mother doing so, and vice-versa. It can die without the mother doing so, and if past viability, vice-versa.

“Having a seperate body” is not the same as “is a legal person”. After all, animals have seperate bodies, and are not given legal personhood.

“It’s not like a uterus is temporary housing the fetus is hanging out in.”

That’s literally all the uterus is. Yes some of the mother’s nutrients, and oxygen, and antibiodies, are able to diffuse across the placental wall to nourish the fetus, but the placenta is actually part of the fetus, not the mother. Fetal blood and maternal blood do not mix. Again, seperate body does not mean personhood.

And if all that is holding us back from fetal personhood is the idea that the fetus is literally the same body as the mother, then we’re fucked. At best we would end up with insurance companies refusing to cover medical care that benefits fetal health but is little benefit to the mother’s health.

For example, many inductions and non-stress tests.

@Hambeast

Yeah, probably. Doctors tend to take men’s medical decisions a little more seriously in general.

@Pie LOL.

@Dali, it’s about the risk. And while I would like to see for-profit health insurance go away, people still need to pay premiums somehow.

About the “free lunch”, yes resturants have tons of food waste, but it’s hardly ever the perfect ingredients to make a lunch with. And since we are talking “free lunch” and not “free plate of wilting lettuce”,** I’m guessing there still is some cost involved. 😉

*This can actually be very dangerous to the fetus if the mom is RH negative and the fetus isn’t.

**Insert terrible bar food story here!

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

Testing. Because my comment is not going through.

Weird. I’ll just edit my old comment in

The insurance companies regarding a fetus has a child could potentially give some sort of legal foothold for various personhood bills. Why risk that for no good reason?

I feel like you’re just making this argument to be contrarian as you yourself admitted that there’s no economic benefit to charging pregnant women on a family plan.

Especially since there are also logistic issues with this. If someone is pregnant and gets an abortion at 8 weeks, are they required to notify their insurance company and pay the family rate for those two months? If someone doesn’t disclose and the provider finds out, can they then deny coverage? Will a person’s employer potentially find out about the abortion because they were charged the family plan rate for those two months?

You’re the one proposing this shitty idea, you make the legal argument.

I’m guessing TANF and other programs allow pregnant women but not non-pregnant childless people in because pregnant women do have greater nutritional and medical needs. There’s a big moral difference between providing aid to those who need it and giving a big corporation an excuse to charge a person extra for the “lifestyle choice” of being pregnant. The former is beneficial to society, the latter is not.

Dalillama: Irate Social Engineer

@mrex

it’s about the risk. And while I would like to see for-profit health insurance go away, people still need to pay premiums somehow.

Since the insurance companies aren’t going to make such changes on their own, you’re proposing a legal requirement they do so. In which case, it’s much simpler to make a legal requirement that all health insurance cover pre- and post natal care.

About the “free lunch”, yes resturants have tons of food waste, but it’s hardly ever the perfect ingredients to make a lunch with.

Depends heavily on what kind of food you serve to start with. Certainly not all food is suitable for this type of thing, but a great deal of food is.

And since we are talking “free lunch” and not “free plate of wilting lettuce”,** I’m guessing there still is some cost involved. 😉

This is because you don’t fully understand how the costs in question are calculated. I actually cook for a bar, and if we kept the right hours, I could easily set out free lunch plates without any added costs compared to now.

JM
JM
3 years ago

Gotta say, beheading and then imprisoning people is the wrong order to do things, Saudi Arabia! Sort that shit out!

AsAboveSoBelow, Male Gaze Harvester
AsAboveSoBelow, Male Gaze Harvester
3 years ago

@galanx:

“And anyone I catch talking about this young lady will be first beaten to death and then burned alive and after that be kept on bread and water for six weeks. There.” – Lasaraleen, in A Horse and His Boy

YES!!