
Men’s Rights Activists and other warriors against cultural misandry often complain that women accuse them of being creepy, not because they’re genuinely creepy but just because they’re men, men guilty of no crime other than not looking like Brad Pitt.
One of these fellows took to the Men’s Rights subreddit recently with a sad tale of being unfairly profiled as a creeper just because he was lurking in a truck in the parking lot of a pharmacy until after the store closed, hoping he could chat up one of the store employees while she was walking to her car.
I know, totally unfair!
Here’s his sad tale, in his own words:
I was in a small town in NJ, spending the night in my truck waiting for a job in the morning. I park at corner pharmacy lot. I go in once and buy my items. Checkout girl is cute, make up a reason to go back in. We chat for a few seconds at most. I go back to my truck to browse the ol Reddit. Place closes at 10. I’m kinda hoping the checkout girl comes out so we can chat some more.
Yeah, yeah, I know, some of you gals have already decided he’s a creep. Isn’t a guy allowed to buy something from a cute checkout girl, to leave the store to go back to his truck, then return to the store on a pretext to chat with the cute checkout girl, then go back to his truck and just, you know, lurk there until the store closes reading his smart phone? Seriously, who could possibly find any of that suspicious?
At 10:05 pm 3 cops surround my vehicle and demand identification, claiming the employees of pharmacy we’re afraid to go to their vehicles because of a suspicious work truck with a big scary man in it.
GOSH HOW COULD ANYONE BE SUSPICIOUS OF HIM. Clearly there is some big time misandering going on here.
Obviously they want to delay me so the employees can get safely out. That is somewhat understandable, but God damn, I go out of my way to not be creepy around women, as I am a very big person.
And what an amazing job he did this time not being creepy!
What is it like to be a woman? Are you constantly afraid of being raped everywhere you go? Kidnapped? Murdered? I exchanged maybe a dozen words and a friendly smile with a cute cashier and I immediately got the cops called on me. Fuck.
Yeah, it’s not as if you WENT BACK INTO THE STORE ON FALSE PRETENSES SO YOU COULD TRY TO CHAT HER UP and then got into your truck and DIDN’T LEAVE. AT NIGHT. WHEN THE STORE WAS CLOSING.
The cops have been here for 30 minutes parked right next to me as I type this. It seems like all men are guilty until proven innocent…
CREEP RIGHTS NOW!
I can’t help but think of this scene from Tucker and Dale vs Evil.
In Dale’s defense [Spoiler alert!] he doesn’t immediately run to the Men’s Rights subreddit to whine about misandry, and despite taking the bad advice of his friend here he does turn out to be a genuinely good dude who honestly doesn’t want to creep anyone out.
He’s also got a little bit more self-awareness than our friend in the truck. Can Reddit truck dude even be real, or is this actually some kind of masterful trolling?
Most of the Men’s Rights redditors commenting on the story actually do tell him he was acting creepy as hell, so I’ll give them a few points for that.
@Francesca Torpedo
I did not think you or anyone else were ignoring me. Sorry for wrecking the vibe in here.
@Brony
Nah. If anything, I wrecked the vibe by briefly falling prey to the cisnormative gatekeeping language for a second there and inadvertently sounding like the people who dictate who is a real girl and who isn’t.
I’ve become everything I’ve ever hated. [runs away crying]
@Francesca Torpedo, Femoid Special Forces Major

@Fran
I prefer lingerie modelling, personally.
And trans gals get an extra dose of bullshit if we are, too.
I’ve gotten much better about that, myself excepted.
A really extraordinary person maybe…
@Sandra
It’s a step, at least. And a step fartherthan my mom has managed.
Late to the original, but good gob. Stalking people at their job is far, far from accidental creepiness.
Not constantly. More often than I’d like, though. Ideal percentage would be zero.
Even though I’m a woman, and short, I also try to avoid making others feel unsafe, e.g. not walking too close behind people on a street. I wonder if anybody’s pointed out that the worry about being seen as weird/creepy is self-centred – I don’t mean to be self-righteous by saying that, I’m plenty selfish too, but ONLY focusing on the “me” part and not on the “respecting others’ sense of personal safety” part reeks of entitlement.
@Oogly
@Dalillama
This aligns perfectly with what I had in mind.
Aw, you’re far too kind. I’m just a simple girl trying to make my way through the universe.
@Sandra
I’m glad you made some forward progress, Sandra. And I really am sorry your parents insist on disrespecting your identity, Dali. I live under the exact same conditions and it’s completely awful.
Here’s something that might cheer you up a little: I found a place nearby me – well, near enough for me to drive, at least – that offers informed consent HRT therapy, so I won’t need to do the whole song-and-dance thing with a therapist to gain access to hormones.
So I’ll get to follow your advice and finally do the thing.
They even accept my insurance carrier. AND they offer plastic surgery!
Now I just have to see if my insurance will cover it.
@Francesca – that sounds like great news! Hope things work out!
…Apropos of something a page or two ago, I find low voices sexier than higher ones, in people of any gender.
Especially singing voices! Now, soprano singers can do some amazing vocal stuff, but it’s more abstractly beautiful than “sexy” to me.
Note: speaking for myself, of course – not representing the whole George Soros-funded cis/bi/mezzo-soprano lobby 😀
@Francesca
Hell yeah! I’m really happy for you! That sounds as close to perfect as possible.
I found something similar just a couple cities away from my locality. Not dealing with American “Therapy” again is a good idea for me.
I need to eat. I’ve just let that slip by me today, but now there’s a cat lying on my lap. So I guess I’ll just starve 😛
@Dalillama
Ugh. That we do. I. Am. Not. Straight.
Welcome, Sylvia Daniella Foxglove!
There’s always corsets (the real steel boned kind with a busk in front and laces in back, none of that Kardashian nonsense) for more waist contouring – I wear mine pretty much daily for a few hours minimum, so my waist is 12″ smaller than bust and hips instead of just 10″.
Finding pants that fit in the waist *and* hips was already impossible if looking for jeans or structured pants unless I want to get them tailored (I don’t. Easier to just buy stretchy ones.) might as well have fun with things while they’re still north of my bellybutton and the back end hasn’t dropped to just above my knees. 😛
@Fran
I don’t actually have to live with wer, fortunately. OTOH I don’t think I’m ever gonna go back to my home town.
Informed consent is a wonderful thing. Hooray!
@Sandra
Yay!
IIRC ~65% of trans folks are not.
@Sandra
@Epitome
Thanks, ladies.
I’ve been doing a little more sussing out, and apparently they don’t just strap you to a table and start pumping you full of 100,000 mgs of Spiro, which was what I was afraid I’d have to commit to.
It sounds like they tailor your therapy to suit your needs and can give you very small doses, which is what I was hoping for.
I’ve been reading some transgender forums where people are actually complaining that they’re getting random erections on HRT, and I’m like, Eeeeeeeeexcellent. [evil cackling]
It’s been a while since I’ve had those.
I hope I become a Goddamn Sexual She-Tyrannosaurus. Anyway, we’ll find out soon enough. This is quite exciting!
Now the only thing I need to worry about is if my insurance carrier decides to be unhelpful and refuse to pay for my treatment.
@Fran
Well, gulp. And thanks.
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Fingers crossed for you, Fran.
@Lysistrata
You’re very welcome.
@EJ
Thanks! I’ll do my best.
I must have missed this earlier *confused*.
@misophstry
I am envy personified. On both counts, the boobs and the passing. Actually make it three and add in the being hot. *sad sigh*
Although I could do without the male attention that would bring, my interest there is in the negatives.
@Fran
In my experience they aren’t. After a while on estrogen and a blocker you’ll ejaculate very little if at all. Spontaneous erections will disappear along with, in most cases, the ‘morning wood’. The way I see it, it results in much more control. If I want to I can get physically aroused and orgasm, and if I don’t want to then it doesn’t ‘intrude’.
ETA: The wellbutrin must be doing something, otherwise I wouldn’t even be in this whole conversation.
@msexceptiontotherule
I LOVE corsets, especially leather!
Although with all the weight I’ve gained I’m not sure there’s any point to waist training at the moment. It was part of my original plan though.
Re:Informed consent is a wonderful thing. Hooray!
It’s the only reason I’m even alive considering the huge wait list to see an endo here!
@Jesalyn
Welcome back! Glad you could make it.
This all sounds splendid. I’m very proud of you.
I’m gonna miss being able to ejaculate, especially since my payloads are large, rich, and thick, but fuck it. I can live without that as long as my girldick continues to function and I can successfully penetrate others.
My main concern is avoiding this whole nightmarish scenario other transwomen lovingly detail in which their cocks and balls turn into inert little lumps of flesh.
I was intensely afraid of this happening, and certain communities I lurk on to gain information about this sort of thing did very little to allay my fears.
Now, I’m sure some of you may be saying,
Glad you asked! Let me show you.
https://www.lauras-playground.com/forums/topic/19369-hrt-is-it-possible-to-only-partially-transition/
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,115657.0.html
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php?topic=33959.0
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php?topic=187819.0
I particularly like (using the word ‘like’ in its most loose and sarcastic sense) how Susan’s Place has people that just try to give you fucking dysphoria about your girldick. They describe their erections and dicks post-HRT as being literally the worst thing ever to happen to them and speak at length about how they’d like to chop the accursed thing off.
Also, it’s nice of them to have a white woman as their emblem because transwomen of color like myself DON’T REAL.
It’s like,
You may notice in some of those links that the girls there are all like,
(sweaty is the tumblr sarcastic spelling of sweetie used to imply that you aren’t being as nice as you are pretending to be)
I particularly like how Linda’s members just outright tell the person asking help that they should give up on being a woman.
A long time ago, I thought Susan’s and other old-school transgender boards were the only game in town, and they caused me much confusion because I was convinced I wasn’t really transgender, because the regulars there often declare that “””reeeeeeeeeal transwomen””” want to have sex exclusively with guys, grow sexually aroused at just the smell of a man, and absolutely must want to get rid of their dicks.
I like men and dicks, but I also want to penetrate women. Apparently that’s bad and wrong.
I imagine @Sandra’s eyebrows will rise quite a bit at all the ‘must fuck guys to be legit’ posturing at Susan’s.
So I flopped around in the quagmire of denial for a bit longer. This tied directly into my prior misconceptions that being trans was some arduous, lengthy process in which you erased everything about your personality in this quest to be as cisnormative as possible.
I also thought you had to front-end load yourself with the maximum possible amount of hormones, partially in thanks to people like these:
http://transgender.livejournal.com/2210758.html
You will notice some people actually registering the amounts of spiro other are taking with shock and surprise.
Thankfully, I found other groups elsewhere with communities of transwomen who did not have genital dysphoria and yet were totally, 100% passable, took hormones, and whatnot.
Some of them just don’t fucking take hormones at all.
I’m a wild girl when my blood is roused and it doesn’t take much for me to rebel against societal norms when I’m not submerged in self-loathing and depression; I would probably just be wearing female clothing right fucking now if it weren’t for the fact I’d probably get killed in this homophobic shit-suburb I live in with all these WASPy types who drive lifted Dodge Rams with “I shoot and I vote” and “SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHTS” stickers plastered all over them.
There’s a good chance I might be going about my business and then get killed by one of these dudes like so many transwomen of color are experiencing and then you’d all be wondering how come Fran isn’t wandering around brightening up WHTM.
So I understand Misophistry’s wish to pass. Our lives actually more or less depend on passing, depending on where we are. I imagine if I lived in a nice, non-hostile place, this wouldn’t be an issue.
Also, I’m desperately afraid of being an embarrassment to the trans community by potentially seeming too masculine while presenting as female. I definitely feel some pressure to ‘trans right’. I’m aware that this isn’t really a thing and is only a condition that exists in the fevered brain of negative people, but it feels real.
You’re goddamn right. Too bad I only figured it out a little while ago.
/sigh
However, the damage has already been done and now I’m cursed with a tiny nagging feeling that rises from time to time that I’m not womaning right or can’t be a real woman.
I hope I can eventually rid myself of that and stop poisoning myself with self-loathing.
So I’m very glad you spoke about this, along with the rest of you girls who are defying the norms.
Being a transwoman with a girldick still seems to be a horrid, shameful secret that people do not want to advise you to become. I think it’s important that you share your experience on this matter.
There is very little advice or guidance for transwomen like me who enjoy our girldicks. We’re still the minority (which is hilarious because transpeople are already an embattled minority). So I really appreciate you taking the time and effort to help me.
It’s ironic, really. Life plays massive jokes on us. When I was a little kid I thought being trans was intensely weird shit.
Now I’m an intensely weird transwoman (according to some) who is too fuckin’ weird to hang out with the Good Girls. Isn’t that amazing?
And now you’re all probably feeling sick after staring into that void of internalized transphobic nonsense on display in those links (I know I am 🙁 ), so I will now share a fun meme from one of the trans-positive communities where they don’t girldickshame you.

Image courtesy of https://www.facebook.com/chibigay/.
Having sex with only guys really sounds like the darkest timeline to me. Ughhh. Men suck so much.
Sounds fine to me. I’m not even sure I disagree.
CN: Discussion of harassment and sexual assault
I’m not attracted to masculine people, but I like dicks on occasion. The reason I don’t go out and find such things is because I’ve been assaulted by men several times before I even began coming out, and harassment of me has only stepped up since then. Honestly, I don’t do sex right now. There’s too much bullshit wrapped in there. I don’t think I’ll ever be comfortable being physically intimate with men-identifying people. I also feel that this situation has a direct, measurable improvement on my expected survivability, so I have multiple reasons to not address it.
The only reason such a thing might be “Bad and wrong” is because cisnormativity is enforced, deviation is punished by death. Ugh.
The conversation I had with my doctor is that I couldn’t afford surgery, and had no idea what my end goal might be other than passing. I take relatively low doses of hormones.
I’ve felt this fear. Even in my most feminine outfits, with makeup and crap, I’m still 6’5. It impacts my ability to pass, and while I’ve been fortunate not to face violence for it – I’m white, and tall, and know how to march like I’m on a mission, and I’m fairly obvious about watching for threats from all angles – it still makes me feel like…not a woman? Even though I absolutely am one?
It’s misogyny, of course. So much of this gatekeeping bullshit you’ve experienced seems to be about getting women who aren’t otherwise interested in such things to make themselves over in all kinds of invasive ways and then fuck men. Because women are defined by fucking men, right? Ugh.
@Sandra
In retrospect I shoulda added a CW: Transphobia for those links, but how could I possibly expect transpeople to be transphobic? I did not expect that!
I knew you would be horrified. I, too, was horrified and shit like that just made me further envelop myself in ridiculous delusions that I wasn’t real.
I’m really glad I’m not longer being poisoned by ideological crusaders like them and that I have a nice new mom and sister (you + Dali) to encourage me to actually be my own fucking person.
Remember how I said I was stupid and thought being a transwoman entailed doing the most stereotypically feminine shit ever? Susan’s Place is all about that life.
It’s kinda misogynistic, actually.
Yes, because being a woman means eating ice cream out of a bucket and having sex with dudes. Fuck, I stopped believing that when I was 18 years old; these ladies are twice if not three times my age and they’re still stuck on that.
I grew up and realized being a woman means doing whatever the fuck you want within reason, and that helped me a lot.
This is super cool. I endorse your actions entirely, because they fly right in the face of the ‘sweaty u need a mans (:’ brigade.
Please keep it up.
I have similar feelings because of my androgynous nature. I also am quite strong and have wide shoulders and thick legs and arms, so I feel like a fucking brick or a potato instead of like a cute girl and I hate this feeling so much that I feel physically ill looking at myself in a mirror.
I avoid mirrors just like you, mostly.
Also, if I may be permitted a joke – congrats on being a white lady! Only white ladies are real ladies! Susan’s Place said so, so it must be true! 😀 😀 😀
[continues to not exist, like Schroedinger’s Cat. perhaps I am Schroedinger’s Transwoman of Color]
This is cool. I’m glad you’re not drinking 400+ mgs of spiro like some of the ladies I linked to.
Their attitude is so toxic, oh my Goddess. I’m still trying to vomit out all the poison I inadvertently absorbed from them.
You know, I actually seriously thought about cutting my dick off for a while and it made me very sad. Thankfully that is no longer a lingering concern for me.
@Weirwood
Thanks! Been browsing for about a year.. Just kind of had a week so I decided to socialize.
@Francesca
Kinda? No. Super misogynistic. Being woman is about more than squee-ing over Tom Hiddleston, making everything pink, and infecting people with cooties. Though the last two are super fun, and there’s nothing wrong with any of these things. It’s just that there’s no set way to be a woman.
Thanks <3 I'll do what I do, and see what happens.
I didn’t actually check out stuff like this, thank the goddess. So I’m just continuing to vomit out the remnants of my toxic masculinity, and come to terms with just how completely my life has shattered because I’m trying to be my most genuine self.
The worst bit is constantly feeling like I’ve fallen, and there’s remnants of old glory, old accomplishments, old victories and battles…it’s so hard to remember that those accomplishments were built on lies that limited me, and that I’ve shattered before, put myself back together. That will happen again this time.
@Fran
I feel I should perhaps clarify if I haven’t, but I’m, like, painfully white.
Counting you and me, I think I know three trans women who are even hypothetically interested in sex with men.
(Possibly four, I misrecall misophistry’s position on the matter)
Not only don’t you have to, it’s generally highly inadvisable to do so, as a late friend learned to her detriment.
If you find one, let me know. *sigh*
Yeah, I’ve seen some of their other stuff. I like it.
@Sandra
And this is why despite my knowing a lot of bi/pan people, I know very few non-men who are willing to fuck men.
Eh, there’s cis gals as tall as that. One of the downstairs neighbours is head and shoulders above my 5’9″.
@Jesalin
Solidarity and sympathy
@Sylvia
Welcome in!
@Dali
Nononono, I know you are white.
What I was saying is that I’m your colored sister. 😀 Provided you have no objections to this paradigm.
Holy shit.
So basically you’re telling these “SWEATY YOU NEED TO TAKE 400MGS OF SPIRO” are going to get someone killed one of these days?
….I kinda knew that was going to happen.
Well, I’m on Androcur (which isn’t used in the US) but 400mg of Spiro sounds suicidally high, so I rather hope it’s an exaggeration. I’m not sure if I should mention dosages here but I’m on a fairly low dose of Androcur and my T levels are near the bottom of the female range.
I’m kinda just getting over that one myself. I was on the highest dose my Dr. would give me until recently. The endo cut it by a quarter to see if that would drop my prolactin level, and according to my last bloodwork my estrogen level is actually higher. Personally though, until I see my results from the next blood lab, I’m thinking it’s just a coincidence. Also, it didn’t make a dent in my prolactin.