Another lively discussion, courtesy of the Incels subreddit!
In case you’re wondering what’s underneath the ink splatters — though I suspect you can probably guess — here’s a slightly less censored screenshot:
But don’t worry, folks! The author of this lovely post assures his critics in the subreddit that he is neither lonely nor sexually frustrated:
actually im none of these. since young age i was sex deprived so i learned how to live without needing a worthless females. i got used to it after a while.
Yep. He doesn’t care SO HARD that he’s spending his Friday night hanging out on the INvoluntary CELibates subreddit posting this shit — and complaining about girls on Tinder “ghosting” him.
GOSH WHY ON EARTH WOULD GIRLS NOT WANT TO MEET THIS GUY
As the sister of a very nice and non-misogynistic autistic man, I’m really fucking sick of people blaming virulent misogyny of autism. Fuck off, KL.
You’d better be a drive-by. As it is, I’m not known for being nice to trolls. But now that you’ve brought out the protective big sister, I will be very unkind if you show your face here again.
Just saying.
The argument also fails because it’s just bad logic. It’s the same construction as “all cats have four legs/all horses have four legs/therefore horses are cats.” The technical flaw is that it suffers from an undistributed middle term; you haven’t said anything comprehensive about things with four legs/with obnoxious behaviors, and you need to say something about all members of your middle term in order for logic to happen.
I still haven’t met any misogynistic autistic people. And I’ve met lots of people with autism.
I don’t think there’s any correlation between the two at all. The assholes are using autism as an excuse for being assholes, when it’s actually just that they’re assholes. They’d be assholes if they were neurotypical too.
Well darn, guess I’ll have to scratch this reddit guy off my list of dudes. At least he helpfully took himself off without wasting any of my time which could be spent sucking d#cks that aren’t his. 😉
Okay, I went and looked at the Reddit thread and can answer many of the questions raised here.
Someone asked him this. He said he doesn’t shake hands. Didn’t say whether it was because of all the semen.
He said it’s okay if it’s his semen. I’m sure you’re all shocked.
He doesn’t know because he only associates with other male incels. Other guys posted that only beta cucks go down on women. Yup, they’re involuntarily celibate, these guys.
Oh, and other queries revealed that he absolutely does not want any kind of relationship. He will only accept casual sex with a near-stranger. But she has to be a virgin!
Also! It looks like the subreddit is set so that posting the word “standards” brings up the following automatic post explaining why it’s unfair to ask incels to, you know, actually do anything to get girlfriends or get laid or whatever it is they’re convinced will make them happy. I’ll leave this for yinz to gaze at in wonder:
http://25.media.tumblr.com/d1833fd3c36fc6cc530feee125a830a4/tumblr_mswot4wCPd1s00ervo2_r2_500.gif
I’m still confused about how they think that works out- the top 20% of men getting the top 80% of women. Is that a straight four-to-one ratio, is it normally distributed, is it skewed left so Chad has to keep up with 30 women at a time, how does this work? Given that women and men have, on average, pretty similar sex drives, if the Chad Theorem is how it works, Idris Elba should have been a tumbleweed blowing down the road years ago.
@Shaenon
Let’s ignore the bullshit that is splitting up people into attractiveness quintiles. This math don’t add up. How do 20% of men have 80% of women as girlfriends?
This only works if men are all (or mostly) poly, women are all (or mostly) mono, gender is strictly binary, and nobody likes anything but the binary opposite of themselves. Nope
Or if maybe incels really do need to lower their standards. Cos one of those standards seems to be ‘virgin’. Methinks, they think ‘80% of gals are with 20% of guys’ is equivalent to saying ‘80% of gals have been with 20% of guys’
Both statements are blatantly, absurdly incorrect, but it just goes to show how these people think. If these guys can’t even talk to a woman knowing she’s had sex, how’s he to be expected to have a relationship or, yes, have sex with a woman knowing she’s had sex? I for one am glad their ‘standards’ are so ‘high’. The more space between them and other human beings, the better off the world is…
@ peevee
Short answers; yes and yes.
Recommendations to be nice are frowned upon because it’s not true, women only like abusers.
And there’s a real bucket of crabs mentality. Also it’s a competition as to who’s the most ‘sub human’. One person will post how he’s doomed because of his maxilla and everyone will leap on him about how he’s lucky, it’s wrist size that’s the major factor (not joking, there’s a whole subset of ‘wristcels’)
@ POM
Yeah, I was going to mention undistributed middle, but I couldn’t remember the term. But cause and effect is something they have trouble with. If people point out women may be reluctant to date guys who hate them they’ll claim they pre-emptively hate women because they know they won’t date them (only Chad).
OMG I just googled wristcel. Jesus Christ wept.
How do these people think the rest of us ever get laid if you can be rendered incel for life by skinny wrists or an overbite. Maybe they should screw each other (I suppose that would be worse than staying a virgin, to settle for another incel)
I know this is their idea of a dystopia but it sounds sort of nice. I’d be happy sharing Tom Hiddleston with three other people if it meant I didn’t get harassed by these guys.
@KL
“Asshole” is not a mental illness. You asshole.
They can’t really bitch about it being an involuntary condition if they refuse to even try to reach out, due to all women being icky and whatnot.
It’d be more honest to call themselves volcel or whatever, because they, themselves, made the decision that sex with “the wimmenz” was just too disgusting to contemplate.
Hi there, I’m both autistic and schizophrenic. You might notice that I’m not a misogynistic paedophilic neo-Nazi rapist. This is because mental illnesses, disabilities, disorders and differences are real things that real people have, not just what-ifs and lies used to half-assedly cover for the worst pieces of shit our genus has to offer.
Also, it’s kind of hard to take your concerrrn seriously when you drop slurs like “Cripple” on me. Go eat a bucket of bees, you utter waste of the human gestation period.
(Yep, I’m dogpiling. Nope, I don’t care. Using schizophrenia as his shield makes this one personal.)
Do these cockwombles not realise that there is not a single man on the planet who would not be celibate if he displayed just 10% of the toxic attitudes, hate and entitlement that they do.
But of course they do, and probably not a single one of them started out genuinely believing what they read and write: the whole thing is just a hobby of whining on the internet.
The sad part (for them) and what they probably don’t realise, is that their self immersion in that culture is changing them, and not in a good way. It poisons any hope they might have for future happiness with a life partner. The effect seems to me to be very similar to cult brainwashing, but in this case, self inflicted.
@ peevee
Within the Incel community ‘volcels’ are a specific subset of ‘fakecels’. And this is one of the many issues they tear into each other about.
It also crops up in the war between incels and MGTOWs (they hate each other too). The debate is whether MGTOWs are genuine Volcels, or really just Incels but won’t admit it.
I still can never get over the wrist circumference obsession. It’s so bizarre. I have literally never heard a single person who is attracted to men talk about this as a turn or off. Not one. And lots of people find traits beyond the stereotypical tall, dark and handsome attractive in a man. But this? I’m sure someone with a thing for big manly wrists exists but there’s no way it’s typical.
I wonder how this even got started?
If you’ve gotten laid, you must be a paragon of masculinity with movie-star looks, thick, lustrous wrists, and 9,000 girlfriends, whom you beat.
If you’ve gotten laid and you’re just kind of a regular guy, you must be a pathetic beta cuck who settled for a woman who’s defective in some way. She’s not a virgin, or she’s over 25, or she’s less than a 10, or she’s totally going to cheat on you any day now. The incels take great pride that they have higher standards in women than you.
Not that they have standards! They are involuntarily celibate! But you can’t expect them to accept subpar women.
That subreddit is seriously depressing, though.
I actually know the answer to this one: Before it got lost to time and turned literal, it started off as yet another dick euphemism.
RE: Cels
I have heard of this thing called Currycels, where you can’t get laid because you’re Indian (subcontinental)?
And, like. Just like how Hoteps make me upset that black dudes are doing the whole misogyny thing, it’s upsetting to me that Indian dudes are picking up this nonsense.
DON’T DO THING, GUYS.
NO DO
I actually hadn’t heard of “Currycels”. Thanks.
Ughhhh. Men. Being fair, it’s not that Indian dudes are new to misogyny – we’ve had stuff on this site talking about a couple of Indian internet misogyny things, and I have a German friend who’s constantly harassed by Indian men on the internet. What is new is this terminology on the internet.
Sometimes I wonder how men have lived this long if the simplest things escape their grasp. You would think that men who couldn’t figure out that “Sharp teeth = danger” or “Words mean what they mean” would not have lived long enough to whinge on the internet. Just….oof.
Alan,
Oh, FFS. What heaping pile of pure, unadulterated horseshit.
Kudos for diving into this world to attempt to understand it. My skull would have fractured from it meeting my palm or desk so many times. I just…can’t even.