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Meanwhile, on Reddit …

Oh dear

Another lively discussion, courtesy of the Incels subreddit!

In case you’re wondering what’s underneath the ink splatters — though I suspect you can probably guess — here’s a slightly less censored screenshot:

I can't talk to a girl knowing that her mouth has been filled with semen (self.Incels) submitted 5 hours ago by greekcel Do Normies seriously expect me to respect such creatures? Femoids are shameless degenerate c*nts.

But don’t worry, folks! The author of this lovely post assures his critics in the subreddit that he is neither lonely nor sexually frustrated:

actually im none of these. since young age i was sex deprived so i learned how to live without needing a worthless females. i got used to it after a while.

Yep. He doesn’t care SO HARD that he’s spending his Friday night hanging out on the INvoluntary CELibates subreddit posting this shit — and complaining about girls on Tinder “ghosting” him. 

GOSH WHY ON EARTH WOULD GIRLS NOT WANT TO MEET THIS GUY

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weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee
weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee
7 years ago

As the sister of a very nice and non-misogynistic autistic man, I’m really fucking sick of people blaming virulent misogyny of autism. Fuck off, KL.

You’d better be a drive-by. As it is, I’m not known for being nice to trolls. But now that you’ve brought out the protective big sister, I will be very unkind if you show your face here again.

Just saying.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
7 years ago

The first premise though is outrageously false (and offensive), so the argument fails.

The argument also fails because it’s just bad logic. It’s the same construction as “all cats have four legs/all horses have four legs/therefore horses are cats.” The technical flaw is that it suffers from an undistributed middle term; you haven’t said anything comprehensive about things with four legs/with obnoxious behaviors, and you need to say something about all members of your middle term in order for logic to happen.

Jarnsaxa
Jarnsaxa
7 years ago

I still haven’t met any misogynistic autistic people. And I’ve met lots of people with autism.

I don’t think there’s any correlation between the two at all. The assholes are using autism as an excuse for being assholes, when it’s actually just that they’re assholes. They’d be assholes if they were neurotypical too.

msexceptiontotherule
7 years ago

Well darn, guess I’ll have to scratch this reddit guy off my list of dudes. At least he helpfully took himself off without wasting any of my time which could be spent sucking d#cks that aren’t his. 😉

Shaenon
7 years ago

Okay, I went and looked at the Reddit thread and can answer many of the questions raised here.

Ya know, I think I’m going to stop shaking hands with people. All people. What if they masturbate with their shaking hands?

Someone asked him this. He said he doesn’t shake hands. Didn’t say whether it was because of all the semen.

Suppose he meets a nice woman who can tolerate him being such a charmer and they get married. She’s never had sex before, never had icky semen in her mouth, but with him she does it. Is she a ”creature” that doesn’t deserve respect anymore?

He said it’s okay if it’s his semen. I’m sure you’re all shocked.

So do people who perform oral sex on cisgender women have faces that are permanently shellacked with vaginal fluid? Asking for a friend.

He doesn’t know because he only associates with other male incels. Other guys posted that only beta cucks go down on women. Yup, they’re involuntarily celibate, these guys.

Oh, and other queries revealed that he absolutely does not want any kind of relationship. He will only accept casual sex with a near-stranger. But she has to be a virgin!

Shaenon
7 years ago

Also! It looks like the subreddit is set so that posting the word “standards” brings up the following automatic post explaining why it’s unfair to ask incels to, you know, actually do anything to get girlfriends or get laid or whatever it is they’re convinced will make them happy. I’ll leave this for yinz to gaze at in wonder:

Since women are so used to having dating options, it is unthinkable to them that there are people with no dating options. But this is the reality: There are many males that have literally zero options. There is strong demand for even the ugliest of women. The top 20% of men get the top 80% of the women, and the bottom 80% of men fight like dogs over the remaining 20% of women. This is why in a sexually free society, even the ugliest most deformed obese women can get males of average attractiveness. People tell incels ‘just lower your standards’. The truth is that there are not nearly enough deformed obese women for every incel to get one. Many incels would kill to have a deformed obese girlfriend, but even deformed obese women refuse to be with them because they can get better looking guys. When you have zero options, ‘lowering your standards’ won’t get you a girlfriend.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee
weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee
7 years ago

He will only accept casual sex with a near-stranger. But she has to be a virgin!

http://25.media.tumblr.com/d1833fd3c36fc6cc530feee125a830a4/tumblr_mswot4wCPd1s00ervo2_r2_500.gif

Vespertine
Vespertine
7 years ago

I’m still confused about how they think that works out- the top 20% of men getting the top 80% of women. Is that a straight four-to-one ratio, is it normally distributed, is it skewed left so Chad has to keep up with 30 women at a time, how does this work? Given that women and men have, on average, pretty similar sex drives, if the Chad Theorem is how it works, Idris Elba should have been a tumbleweed blowing down the road years ago.

Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
7 years ago

@Shaenon

The top 20% of men get the top 80% of the women, and the bottom 80% of men fight like dogs over the remaining 20% of women

Let’s ignore the bullshit that is splitting up people into attractiveness quintiles. This math don’t add up. How do 20% of men have 80% of women as girlfriends?

This only works if men are all (or mostly) poly, women are all (or mostly) mono, gender is strictly binary, and nobody likes anything but the binary opposite of themselves. Nope

Or if maybe incels really do need to lower their standards. Cos one of those standards seems to be ‘virgin’. Methinks, they think ‘80% of gals are with 20% of guys’ is equivalent to saying ‘80% of gals have been with 20% of guys’

Both statements are blatantly, absurdly incorrect, but it just goes to show how these people think. If these guys can’t even talk to a woman knowing she’s had sex, how’s he to be expected to have a relationship or, yes, have sex with a woman knowing she’s had sex? I for one am glad their ‘standards’ are so ‘high’. The more space between them and other human beings, the better off the world is…

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
7 years ago

@ peevee

Do you mean as in give each other advice to be nice to attract women, or just to be nice in general? I mean, are they all caustic assholes to each other in the threads?

Short answers; yes and yes.

Recommendations to be nice are frowned upon because it’s not true, women only like abusers.

And there’s a real bucket of crabs mentality. Also it’s a competition as to who’s the most ‘sub human’. One person will post how he’s doomed because of his maxilla and everyone will leap on him about how he’s lucky, it’s wrist size that’s the major factor (not joking, there’s a whole subset of ‘wristcels’)

@ POM

Yeah, I was going to mention undistributed middle, but I couldn’t remember the term. But cause and effect is something they have trouble with. If people point out women may be reluctant to date guys who hate them they’ll claim they pre-emptively hate women because they know they won’t date them (only Chad).

misophistry
misophistry
7 years ago

OMG I just googled wristcel. Jesus Christ wept.

misophistry
misophistry
7 years ago

How do these people think the rest of us ever get laid if you can be rendered incel for life by skinny wrists or an overbite. Maybe they should screw each other (I suppose that would be worse than staying a virgin, to settle for another incel)

Miss Verständnis
Miss Verständnis
7 years ago

There is strong demand for even the ugliest of women. The top 20% of men get the top 80% of the women, and the bottom 80% of men fight like dogs over the remaining 20% of women.

I know this is their idea of a dystopia but it sounds sort of nice. I’d be happy sharing Tom Hiddleston with three other people if it meant I didn’t get harassed by these guys.

Makroth - wild west firecracker window-smashing soap-averse unionized cowboy Jacobin from Hell
Makroth - wild west firecracker window-smashing soap-averse unionized cowboy Jacobin from Hell
7 years ago

@KL

“Asshole” is not a mental illness. You asshole.

PeeVee the (Timber-Rattling Booger Slut, But Noice) Sarcastic
PeeVee the (Timber-Rattling Booger Slut, But Noice) Sarcastic
7 years ago

They can’t really bitch about it being an involuntary condition if they refuse to even try to reach out, due to all women being icky and whatnot.

It’d be more honest to call themselves volcel or whatever, because they, themselves, made the decision that sex with “the wimmenz” was just too disgusting to contemplate.

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
7 years ago

So you waded through a whole sub-Reddit full of men with autism and other crippling social disabilities to find one to criticize? You could find misogynists and misanthropes with depression and schizophrenia too. You lack compassion and are literally picking on social cripples.

Hi there, I’m both autistic and schizophrenic. You might notice that I’m not a misogynistic paedophilic neo-Nazi rapist. This is because mental illnesses, disabilities, disorders and differences are real things that real people have, not just what-ifs and lies used to half-assedly cover for the worst pieces of shit our genus has to offer.

Also, it’s kind of hard to take your concerrrn seriously when you drop slurs like “Cripple” on me. Go eat a bucket of bees, you utter waste of the human gestation period.

(Yep, I’m dogpiling. Nope, I don’t care. Using schizophrenia as his shield makes this one personal.)

IBH Ardipithecus
IBH Ardipithecus
7 years ago

Do these cockwombles not realise that there is not a single man on the planet who would not be celibate if he displayed just 10% of the toxic attitudes, hate and entitlement that they do.

But of course they do, and probably not a single one of them started out genuinely believing what they read and write: the whole thing is just a hobby of whining on the internet.

The sad part (for them) and what they probably don’t realise, is that their self immersion in that culture is changing them, and not in a good way. It poisons any hope they might have for future happiness with a life partner. The effect seems to me to be very similar to cult brainwashing, but in this case, self inflicted.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
7 years ago

@ peevee

It’d be more honest to call themselves volcel or whatever

Within the Incel community ‘volcels’ are a specific subset of ‘fakecels’. And this is one of the many issues they tear into each other about.

It also crops up in the war between incels and MGTOWs (they hate each other too). The debate is whether MGTOWs are genuine Volcels, or really just Incels but won’t admit it.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee
weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee
7 years ago

I still can never get over the wrist circumference obsession. It’s so bizarre. I have literally never heard a single person who is attracted to men talk about this as a turn or off. Not one. And lots of people find traits beyond the stereotypical tall, dark and handsome attractive in a man. But this? I’m sure someone with a thing for big manly wrists exists but there’s no way it’s typical.

I wonder how this even got started?

Shaenon
7 years ago

How do these people think the rest of us ever get laid if you can be rendered incel for life by skinny wrists or an overbite.

If you’ve gotten laid, you must be a paragon of masculinity with movie-star looks, thick, lustrous wrists, and 9,000 girlfriends, whom you beat.

If you’ve gotten laid and you’re just kind of a regular guy, you must be a pathetic beta cuck who settled for a woman who’s defective in some way. She’s not a virgin, or she’s over 25, or she’s less than a 10, or she’s totally going to cheat on you any day now. The incels take great pride that they have higher standards in women than you.

Not that they have standards! They are involuntarily celibate! But you can’t expect them to accept subpar women.

Shaenon
7 years ago

That subreddit is seriously depressing, though.

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
7 years ago

I wonder how this even got started?

I actually know the answer to this one: Before it got lost to time and turned literal, it started off as yet another dick euphemism.

Francesca Torpedo, Femoid Special Forces Major
Francesca Torpedo, Femoid Special Forces Major
7 years ago

RE: Cels

I have heard of this thing called Currycels, where you can’t get laid because you’re Indian (subcontinental)?

And, like. Just like how Hoteps make me upset that black dudes are doing the whole misogyny thing, it’s upsetting to me that Indian dudes are picking up this nonsense.

DON’T DO THING, GUYS.

NO DO

IgnoreSandra
IgnoreSandra
7 years ago

I actually hadn’t heard of “Currycels”. Thanks.

Ughhhh. Men. Being fair, it’s not that Indian dudes are new to misogyny – we’ve had stuff on this site talking about a couple of Indian internet misogyny things, and I have a German friend who’s constantly harassed by Indian men on the internet. What is new is this terminology on the internet.

Sometimes I wonder how men have lived this long if the simplest things escape their grasp. You would think that men who couldn’t figure out that “Sharp teeth = danger” or “Words mean what they mean” would not have lived long enough to whinge on the internet. Just….oof.

PeeVee the (Timber-Rattling Booger Slut, But Noice) Sarcastic
PeeVee the (Timber-Rattling Booger Slut, But Noice) Sarcastic
7 years ago

Alan,

Within the Incel community ‘volcels’ are a specific subset of ‘fakecels’. And this is one of the many issues they tear into each other about.

It also crops up in the war between incels and MGTOWs (they hate each other too). The debate is whether MGTOWs are genuine Volcels, or really just Incels but won’t admit it.

Oh, FFS. What heaping pile of pure, unadulterated horseshit.

Kudos for diving into this world to attempt to understand it. My skull would have fractured from it meeting my palm or desk so many times. I just…can’t even.