Alt-Right Twitter trolls lament Marine Le Pen’s yuge loss in France, talk armed revolution

I don’t get it.
Trump was ellected POTUS, none of them complain about democracy. Instead, they defend it, claiming that no one should complain because the majority voted for him. Yet, they’re complaining that Macron won because… the majority voted for him?

Ah the delightful Mr Assange…

there is also his QC, Helena Kennedy, who advises against his dismissing the Swedish extradition as a “mad feminist conspiracy”. He nods: “not publicly”, at least. She eyerolls.

Then, later, he tells Poitras it would be in his accusers’ interests to drop the case. If they proceed, “they’ll be reviled forever by a large segment of the world’s population”. It sounds like a threat, yet it is meant as candid truth-telling.

@Masse_Mysteria, re: poplar vote

I’m reminded of a particular track from my days playing Rock Band 2. Think it was Rush…think.

@ Schnookums

I’m not sure how good a band of all triangles would sound.

A band of triangles… sounds like Michael Oldfield….

Off topic, one of my fave Social Conscience web magazines, Everyday Feminism, is hurtin for certain! They’re needing a cash transfusion asap or they’re likely shuttering the doors and windows. Please help if your overtaxed SJW budget will allow.

I first came here by a link from an E.F. piece on Gamergate (back when it was still about a game writer’s sex life….)

Apologies if it is inappropriate to ask this on here

Since aspens and poplars are named Populus in Latin, their vote is truly popular vote, I think.

(One Finnish politician, Pekka Haavisto, who’s apparently running for president in 2018, has a surname meaning “aspen grove”. He’s from the Green Party, too, so obvious candidate for winning the poplar vote. He probably won’t win the election, though, especially if the incumbent Sauli Niinistö (“linden grove”) runs for second term.)

Pavlov’s House:

I wonder how alt-right people deal with the contradictions of their ideas when thinking about the celebration of the Soviet victory in World War II? They love Putin *and* they love Hitler.

Do the US altrighters really pay much attention to Putin or Russia? I mostly hear some religious conservatives praising Putin as the savior of “Christian values”. Certainly, the USSR contribution to WWII could be easily ignored by any Americans who find it causing any kind of cognitive dissonance. It was already hushed down during Cold War, after all.

Ah, Julian Assange. Never have I seen anyone squander the sympathy of the entire liberal world more pointlessly.

@Pavlov

That may be so, but the average USasian likes to scream “BUT MUH GOO-LAGS!” when you bring that up.

Feel free to accuse me of being monstrous, but the 2016 U.S. election and the ensuing fallout gave me reason to believe that some people just need to be put in a gulag.

If I had my way, I would put the entire Alt-right crew in a gulag where they can’t poison us anymore.

ETA:

Put the MRAs in a gulag as well.

And now you can all call me a tankie. 😀

My tank is a Kliment Voroshilov 2 and it’s got the Transgender Flag colors painted on its side.

@Dali

That’s true. There is also the distinct possibility I’d get the same thing Trotsky got when Stalin decided he had enough of him.

For the record, I’m not one of those “USSR DID NOTHING WRONG!1” people; I just think we need to stop being nice to the neofascists and MRAs. They pose an existential threat to marginalized people.

@Dalillama: Irate Social Engineer

You are absolutely correct that the way I phrased that contention it’s *entirely* open to nitpicking/debate….interchange which I too enjoy (having basically made a career of it). Historians can draw conclusions like that generally, but they are always open to at least some qualifications.

@Franscesca Torpedo

Well, I cannot nor will not deny that Stalin’s USSR was also an oppressive state. Nor is it realistic to deny the war crimes committed by some Soviet and Allied forces for which there is clear evidence (e.g. mass killings of unarmed German civilian refugees in newly-liberated Czechoslovakia at the end of the war in Europe). Moreover many Allied armies themselves served governments who espoused institutionalized racism and imperialism. Yet as both academic historian and conscious human I still can only conclude that I am still glad the Allies won and the Axis lost. Very glad.

So, yes, I think we can recognize and condemn all war crimes and other crimes against humanity still reject the “but the Gulags….” thing.

@Dali
@Pavlov

See, that’s the thing: do I realize that these people who fought the nazis probably would have objected very strongly to my very existence?

Sure, yeah. The USSR was an oppressive regime, the US was hellaciously racist. homophobic, and sexist, the British were (and still are, to an extent) provincials who hate dem some furriners.

Do I also think that sometimes you just need to fight a fucking nazi?

Totally.

I’ve come to terms with the fact that not everything is nice and clear-cut and sharply defined; it’s more a case of differing shades of grey, rather than black-and-white.

There’s a lot of nuance in play.

To wit, I don’t think we should just throw anyone who disagrees with us in a gulag. Virulently dangerous people like Richard Spencer and the Trump Clan should, however, be put in one.

That’s nice, Francesca, but, in this hypothetical reality where you are the Mammotheer People’s Commissary of Suppressing the Alt-Right and are overseeing the building of these gulags for these people, how can you be sure that your underlings would not take things to their natural extremes after a while and just start putting innocent people in gulags?

The truth is, I can’t be sure, and I’m mature enough to recognize that.

ETA:

Francesca, if you did something your underlings did not like, there’s a good chance they would just put you in a gulag as well.

Yes, I know. 🙁

*sticks head out of the sand*

So, there’s this.

Allow me to select a bit :

After the punching video went viral, the alt-right unleashed a doxing campaign against Marshall and her family, publishing their home addresses and phone numbers online. Marshall received rape threats and other abusive messages and images of pornography work she’d done were turned into memes and posted to her grandmother’s Facebook page. Damigo tells me these actions were justified.

I’m just gonna go back to my work and video games then.

(Hey, any PS4 Mammotheers play ARK ? I’d really love to try some small-group exploration-and-maybe-building-focused PvE sometime but social anxieties have come back in force and I haven’t really set foot on any official servers yet and no one makes teammates playing solo)

Ah, Julian Assange. Never have I seen anyone squander the sympathy of the entire liberal world more pointlessly.

I wish that were true, but there are plenty of brogressive dudebros (and their cool girl allies *ahem* Naomi Wolfe) that don’t give a shit about whether or not another brogressive dudebro is a rapist.