You may have seen a screenshot from the Anarcho_Capitalism subreddit making the rounds on Twitter, showing a post asking the supremely creepy question “Is having daughters the ultimate cuckoldry?”– and answering the question in the affirmative.
The post — apparently copied and pasted to r/Anarcho_Capitalism as a joke — seems to have originated on 4chan’s /b/, where it was evidently meant quite seriously.
Read on, if you think you’ll be able to stomach it:
While the incest angle makes this one of the creepiest things I’ve read on the internet in some time, the logic here is more or less identical to that of every alt-right racist who rants about “white genocide” after seeing a white woman out walking with a black man.
It’s the same logic you hear from MGTOWs and Red Pillers and MRAs when they complain about allegedly post-wall thirtysomething women marrying “beta providers” after allegedly “giving away their best years” to the parade of alpha males who allegedly had sex with their younger, more attractive selves before they hit that dreaded “wall.”
These guys essentially feel that every “hot” woman’s body rightfully belongs to them — if not to them personally, then at least to men like them. Alt-right racists feel “cucked” when attractive white women date men of color. MGTOWs feel cucked when women date alleged alphas — even if the “cock carousel” that MGTOWs spend so much of their time grousing about is basically something they’ve cooked up in their own little heads.
Hell, some guys end up working themselves into a frenzy because women they’re actually dating have dated other men before. That’s right; even if they’re in a committed monogamous relationship with a woman they love, they still feel like they’re being continually “cucked” by all the men she dated in the past.
So, yeah, it only makes sense that some of these guys might decide that every man with daughters is getting cucked big league because fathers aren’t allowed to have sex with the young women they’ve provided for over the course of their first 18 years.
Even paraphrasing this “argument” makes me feel a bit unclean.
I can only hope that whoever posted the original /b/ post doesn’t actually have any daughters. Given that he’s posting on /b/ I think that’s a fairly safe assumption. Let’s just hope he never has any children at all. The world is screwed up enough as it is.
And yes, bring on the manul kittens. Bring on ALL THE KITTENS.
@LindsayIrene – oh for adorable!
@dreemr, re: phone charge
No offense taken. It’s just a thing I have, I suppose. Blame Randall Munroe.
@dreemr
My phone getting to 17% is a travesty. Everyone on the internet always having a phone at 17% is hilarious ?
@Bina
I wish on these people not impotence. Getting off too easy, I think. No, I wish upon them a powerful and debilitating case of acute sex aversion. Mine is mild as these things go, but lemme tell ya. When it hits, it fuckin hits. Turn it to 11, watch em crumble if they so much as give a passing ponderance to anyone’s pussy, let alone their daughters’
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That guy and any who agree with him need to be locked away somewhere far, far away from any children.
Like, a nice room in a shuttle hurtling toward a distant star as fast as physically possible would be nice.
That’s a nice thought. I think I’ll cling to it so I don’t start rage screaming that men who think they’re being cheated because they can’t openly fuck their daughters exist.
Bina,
I think you’re right. Just like they like him because of his racism and misogyny, not dispite it, they admire that about him too. They wish they could be creeping in dressing rooms for teen beauty pageant contestants. They admire that he got away with rape and harassment. Of course they don’t draw the line at assaulting his own daughter. They don’t like him dispite the murmurs. They like him because of them. He is the smarmy, rich, abusive, rapist prick they wish they could be.
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Because women exist only for sex; being a happy, healthy person be damned eh?
It’s a fundamental misunderstanding of what cuckoldry actually is, i.e. unknowingly raising another man’s child. They’re just so preoccupied with their boners that they’ve stopped their logic at that stage of procreation.
Oh no I’m wrong actually I think but it’s the reason why cuckoldry is bad from an evolutionary perspective.
Wait a second . . . Wasn’t this dude a bad guy in that first season of Game of Thrones?
@RumiKumu
I don’t think they’re using a capitalism model of economics so much as they’re using the Austrian non-model of anti-economics in much the same way some people like to model cosmology with the equally incoherent Electric Universe or biology with whatever Intelligent Design is supposed to be.
Sure, they all abhor math, they don’t actually publish in reputable journals and they completely disregard anything approaching sound methodology, but that’s precisely what makes them so much easier to adopt than more accurate alternatives. I mean, who needs to waste time studying when the magic wands of praxeology, goddidit and plasma justifies whatever you’re going to say without all the hassle of research and logic? It’s all a waste of time, really, pure faith in that the other guys are wrong should be enough!
I’m sure I’ve seen this applied in Ancient Aliens, too.
Though Smith himself was most assuredly not an anarchist or a terribly good libertarian with his condemnation of private collusion and (gasp) support for the public education of poor people. Heaven forbid the commoners learn to read, they might understand the government might be helping corporations conspire against them! I would only wish more alleged anarchists would read Smith, as that would be (in spite of its inadequacies) markedly superior than the economics lessons they acquired solely from the parts of Atlas Shrugged they managed to glance over before pretending they finished the book.
Hell, I would settle for them playing Bioshock. I would steer alt-righters away from Bioshock Infinite, however, as I’m under the distinct impression that they would envision Columbia as being the good guys. Sort of like how some people argue the Galactic Empire were also good guys, ignoring or perhaps silently approving of their record of brutality, genocide and questionable system of career advancement.
@Troubelle & Axe – if it matters, it isn’t just you, it’s a lot of people!
@Scolar Visari
Ah, Bioshock…my first M-rated game, and the disaster zone I explored influenced me from the moment I so much as read of it.
Their understanding of how economics works comes from Atlas Shrugged and their understanding of how socialism works comes from Anthem.
Fiction novels written by a train fetishist who was angry she lost her family, wealth, and power in a peasant revolt.
If these terrible persons have already convinced themselves that they shouldn’t have daughters, than it should also be possible to convince them that they shouldn’t have sons either.
Problem solved in one generation.
jeezus. you can only very to this line of reasoning of you believe that “females” are LITERALLY sex objects. they aren’t even here for “housekeeping” and being “nurturing mothers” or whatever the usual MRA-ish shit is; just for fucking. nothing else.
jeezus.
I’ve been reading this blog, lots of other feminist blogs, and contemplating my own male-insecurities for a very long time, and I think a lot of this bizarre thinking is ultimately based on the stereotype that a dude that has lots of sex is a cool “stud” who is somehow better than other men. Maybe your middle/high school experience wasn’t that bad, but you at least saw jokes about it movies and around the internet, that the male virgin is a “total loser” and the guy who can have any girl he wants is awesome because of that. There is sometimes even the assumption that the guy getting laid is has superior masculinity and is thus more capable in everything he does.
Often connected to this idea: Women who have lots of sex are sluts, which are worth less than other women, and female virgins are the best. Lots of guys try to impress their friends with tales of sexual conquests, but are surprised to learn it only counts if the woman in question is normally sexually unavailable.
If you’re truly delusional you could say that sex is a resource that get drained from a woman every time she touches a penis and then goes to improve the man. (Obviously homosexuals don’t count here. This might explain the appeal of “Twilight” where the main guy acknowledges his tendency to suck the life out of women, but is able to abstain.)
This idea that “getting laid” makes you a better man has somehow become the basis for their whole worldview. Their whole concept of what it means to be a human being. In addition, they don’t see women as having anything besides the sex-resource, so naturally there is no way to interact with women that isn’t about getting sex-resource. PUAs want to learn how to maximize resource gathering. Incels aren’t angry because they can’t experience sex, they’re angry because they never get any sex-resource, which in turn is necessary to be a “Real Man”(TM). Of course letting someone get there before you is also cuckoldry because that means the sex-resource is partially depleted already. The friendzone is bad because you trade all this time and attention and resources hoping to get that sweet sex-resource, but actually you don’t get any. Apparently having a daughter means even more time, attention, resources in order to generate a new pile of sex-resource but you don’t actually get to exploit normally.
So similar to corporation competing to exploit resources, men are competing to exploit women. Adds a new dimension to the slang of “drilling her”. Hmm…seems that I’ve accidentally horrified/disgusted myself…sigh.
Re: biotruths – aren’t these the same (kind of) guys who have claimed that telegony sounds plausible? Given a choice between a good cuck narrative and anything else, like facts or logic, they’ll choose the former.
Re: AnCap reproductive economics, I have another question about consistency. If they a) worship the free market and b) consider women commodities to be traded therein (SMV, etc), why then do they not applaud “Chad?” Instead of advocating unlimited polygamy, like good capitalists, how do they end up supporting this socialist scheme of “a woman for every beta.” Or am I mixing up categories of awful men?
@Serebrianyi: Well done for finding a word I couldn’t figure out the meaning of from context! “Telegony: a theory in heredity, holding that offspring can inherit the characteristics of a previous mate of the female parent; thus the child of a widowed or remarried woman might partake of traits of a previous husband.” There’s a word I never thought there’d be a need for.
@ Axecalibur: ObSF — there’s a short story in the anthology “How to Save the World” which has something like that as a sub-plot. This group of grad students is working on custom-built genetic alterations (very unsupervised, very unethical!), and their first test run is on a serial rapist who attacked one of their number, to give him the equivalent of arousal-triggered myasthenia gravis dialed up to 11. It works.
And adding to the brain-bleach resources, I give you: Popcorn Kittens!
@Scolar Visari:
It certainly doesn’t help that, after establishing how racially and economically oppressive the Founders are and how the Vox are trying to dismantle such a system, the developers decided to pretty much validate the Founders by turning the Vox into a savage horde who’ll even murder children and innocent bystanders. Plus Booker proclaims a moral false equivalency by claiming that Daisy Fitzroy is “just as bad” as Comstock.
Like, seriously, what the fuck?! Even if you want to argue that Fitzroy and the Vox’s heel-turn is based on how Bolsheviks took things too far during the Russian Revolution, there’s no substantial precedence within the actual plot other than “they went to an alternate reality where they were hyper-violent” – which is really more of a contrivance than an organic development in the narrative.
Yes, I know they “explain” it in the DLCs they put out afterwards. Except it was pure backpedaling on their part (along with being glorified fan-fiction).
@JS: yep, I didn’t give much context, and probably should have. OK so I have confirmed that two garbage sites, Return of Kings and SlutHate (both not worth linking or archiving) have both claimed that telegony (or Cuck to the Future!) is real, in humans, based it looks like on research on fruit flies: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/11133203/Could-previous-lovers-influence-appearance-of-future-children.html
Telegony?
Oh, great. Yet another thing assholes will shame women about. Thinking that somehow the essence of lovers past can somehow be imprinted on future children.
This is just about as absurd as being pissed off and blaming one’s partner because they dreamt their partner cheated on them.
Fruitflies. Jesus wept.
I am just about done.
Get me off this planet.
I linked to the r/AnCap post in the comments on a previous WHTM post. You’re welcome, everyone! 😀
@Scolar Visari
I just want to mention that there are other anarchist schools than these libertarian jerks, plenty of which espouse mutualism and sharing resources instead of free-for-all nonsense. Good anarchists read Proudhon and Kropotkin instead of this crap.
As a musty, fusty and occasionally even crusty ol’ libsoc, I’d go further than that. “Anarcho-capitalism” and this school of “libertarianism” are nothing of the kind, and have no business playing with words they don’t know the meanings of.