The idea that women regularly use their sexual wiles to gain control over men has long been central to the Men’s Rights Movement.
In the seminal MRA tome The Myth of Male Power, Warren Farrell famously declared that secretaries have “miniskirt power, cleavage power and flirtation power” over their male bosses; the latest edition of his book features a shapely female posterior on the cover, sans clothing, to illustrate what he sees as the immense power women can exert over men with, well, their butts.
In the Men Going Their Own Way subreddit, one Reddit MGTOW takes Farrell’s argument one sickening step further, seeming to suggest that women use this sexy power of theirs to “intice” [sic] men to, well, rape them.
As High-Fruit-Trinity sees it, women have
used men’s nature against them.
They called men pigs & date-rapists. But they were the CAUSE
Of male piggishness and … rape?
They have entire industries just for women to be more beautiful, inticing and sexy. They’re taught everything about manipulating men. Men aren’t taught anything.
Women got away with this because they are the perceived victims, and you shouldn’t blame the victim. So who do you blame?
I dunno, dude, when a man acts like a pig to women, I blame him. When a man rapes a woman, I blame him. Who do you blame, Mr. High-Fruit-Trinity? Do you actually see rape survivors as the real “CAUSE” of rape, and the rapists themselves as the victims?
Apparently so. In a followup comment in the thread, High-Fruit-Trinity approvingly quotes a comment from a Washington Post reader about a famous political sex scandal.
“let’s acknowledge that women also play a role in soliciting sexual attention. Think about John Edwards and Rielle Hunter and how all the blame is focused on Edwards. She could easily cry “sexual harrassment!” as a causative factor; why isn’t a charge of “sexual enticement” just as accurately applied to the situation? “
It’s a bizarre question to ask about Edwards and Hunter, given that no one was accusing Edwards of sexually harassing her; the two had a consensual affair. But MRAs and MGTOWs seem to have some trouble understanding the difference between sexual harassment and mutual sexual attraction, as well as between consensual sex and rape.
In any case, the logic here is pretty clear: in High-Fruit-Trinity’s mind, whenever a man harasses or rapes or does anything sexual to a woman that she doesn’t consent to, it’s her fault, not his, because she must have “enticed” him into doing it.
Basically, this is blame-the-victim on steroids. And yet another reason so many people wish that the so-called Men Going Their Own Way would indeed go wherever it is they are allegedly going, the further away from the rest of us the better.
I just love how he’s spinning in circles, unable to effectively say anything other than asserting that his organization does more than sit around and jack itself off. It’s normal for constituents to ask for progress reports, and write up an organization’s report card, and yet the most basic of competencies entirely escapes the MRM.
Because it’s not about men’s rights, and never has been.
So, John Galt finally actually reads a comment and responds to it… and it’s a comment by someone with a male nym.
In a shocking turn of events, an MRA and antifeminist believes that only men who behave in certain stereotypical ways qualify as “real” men. Gasp.
@Lindsay
I’m not really sure that qualifies as a “response”. It was a lot more like “Worship me for I am amazing, even though you don’t have any reason to think I’m amazing and if I’m amazing I’ve done almost nothing with my amazingness.”
Same sort of sub-Turing behavior as before, just adjusted for a few keywords in that comment.
@John Galt
“I am the Greatest!”
Tell us why you believe that.
“…I Are the GREATEST!!!”
If real men don’t try to change the system, than what would be the point of men’s rights activism?
Is this an admission that the MRM is all about preserving the status quo rather than a social justice movement?
And the irony of an MRA saying people shouldn’t be bitter when things don’t go their way? Fucking hilarious.
John Galt:
More from our little cloak and dagger spy game soooper sekrit “they’ll never guess I’m a dumbfuck plant” thread on mgtow.com:
Response 2:
Sure. It ends when you actually go your own fucking way and stop pretending you’re interested in helping men instead of bashing women.
And every time you post here, boring the fuck out of us, I’ll post more responses, illustrating just how very much you assholes are “helping” men.
Deal?
Another coward that can’t bring themselves to quote the scary feminists right there on the screen? I’m going to have fun with this one after I leave my job assisting nurses in health care, getting shit done.
Let’s see if lazy ass Galt can get thier shit done by the time I get home.
Yup, that’s sure what it sounds like when feminists talk to each other.
OMG Me too! Also, the only media I will ever let my son consume will be ‘Sex and the City,’ Beyonce videos, and Andrea Dworkin books. And I won’t let him wear a protective cup while playing sports. Everyone knows you’re not a true feminist unless you misander you’re own flesh and blood.
@John Galt: in case you haven’t figured this out yet, Dave only let you through to amuse the regulars here. He does occasionally let an obvious troll through for them (I’m not nearly good enough at troll slaying to include myself in their number, alas) to sharpen their teeth on.
Keep it coming. They’ll have fun. I’ll check back in this weekend (currently on vacation, but have to go back to work tomorrow).
He said this twice.
Hell, even when he’s using us as sockpuppets, he can’t even come up with anything interesting to say. He fails the Turing test both here AND there lol
@Lindsay
Oh, definitely. That’s why when I write my book about a fictional misandric society, I’m going to add my nephews into it. Misandry only exists in fiction, so how else would I misander my own family?
Another irony is that he’s accusing us of using ad hominems when so far, his only response to us has been to say we’re insane. Well, guess what Mr Galt? Someone can be insane and still be correct. Calling someone crazy isn’t an argument.
Nuh-uh!! Once it was two guys within 30 minutes of each other, and then a totally different feminist expressed doing this totally common thing also, but with a black guy and an hispanic guy.
TOTES different. Our lady-brains get confused pretty easily though, what with the whole 2-different-guys-within-a-30-minute-period being so gosh darn common amongst us feminists. Honestly, I’m surprised they even brought it up, it’s so routine as to be practically a given, amirite?
@WWTH
Broken clock is still right twice a day, or once if it’s on military time. If he intends to think we’re wrong, he needs to prove it. Because he’s the one making ridiculous assertions.
@Dreemr
I don’t really see the difference…sure, the latter example involves talent and romance, but it’s functionally the same for people in those kinda relationships.
I thought being Polya made me a whore? Or was it being bisexual? Wearing short skirts? My dresses? Playing video games? But now it’s apparently being a feminist? It’s clearly not because I do sex work sometimes, that’s the lesson we should take from this.
I just can’t wait to see what inventive way men think of next to call us sluts instead of actually having an argument to make.
I had thought of using this thread, “What’s your favorite way of making a random new chick cum hard?”, but I’m a classy type of gal, and this one cracked me up.
Truly, pondering “What’s your favorite way of making a random new chick cum hard?” does epitomize MGTOW.
Oh, and just a couple of clarifications: I don’t necessarily think that John Galt is Spectator, who started the thread and also posted response 2, but the John Galt here is definitely a sock of someone who has been here before, trying a new tact.
And FWIW, the topic “What’s your favorite way…” did get some responses such as “we don’t talk about that here” and “you want the PUA blogs. We’re MGTOW”, but the goddamned thread is 25 pages long, and I don’t want to read all that. It’s funny enough to read the bullshit they make up about their strawfeminists.
The next entry is the one that really made me lololol.
@Galt
From one socially aggressive male to another I see right through your bullshit. You are weak. You are incapable of taking individuals seriously. By omitting who you are responding to you are treating us as a group when you speak to individuals.
When you do respond to a person you never quote anything and it’s often to the people you feel “act male”. That’s not only a sign of bigotry it’s a mental vulnerability on your part. I bet you can’t actually look good when you actually debate a feminist as an individual.
You look terrified to me. You came here and only gave insults about a group of people who you never communicate to as individuals. You started it and I see fear.
You cant even get an Ad Hominem fallacy correct. An insult is not an Ad Hominum because I can insult you and include an argument. Another retreat as well because it’s another excuse to avoid being specific about who you are talking to and what they said.
So I’m giving you a chance to be polite and start communicating with the people here like individuals. Otherwise I will dissect up your first couple of posts and see just how much of a coward you really are.
@Brony
A lot of bravado for a purse wearing mangina, and a massive (and wholly incorrect) assumption. And interestingly, the assertion that i “only respond to male-sounding nyms” is probably correct. I find (even though i completely disagree) that their arguments seem more rationally constructed and attack me directly. Another mark of a man, its too bad your wasting your time here, Brony.
I literally, LITERALLY, came here for the lulz.
And yes, when i speak i am speaking to the whole “movement”, or whatever you SJWs call it this week. You dont deserve 1 on 1 debate because, frankly, i wouldnt debate a mentally ill individual, regardless of which of the 2 (and ONLY 2) sexes they were.
This is just a funny experiment for me. Go ahead. Ban me now. Ill watch the shit fly from the sidelines. The sheer fact that you didnt ban me right away shows that you crave the conflict. Feminists HAVE to have someone to argue with, otherwise they feel invalidated.
God i love oatmeal!
@Galt
Humor at it’s core is about flipping negative to positive, or in the case of some disgust humor increasing it in teasing. There is no “just for the lulz”, there is also you airing your emotional sensitivities out out for me. What you are doing here is not a thing you can do freely in public either and in that place I get to use what I learn from your feelings here.
Otherwise the admission that you are here to incite for fun is good justification for banning after you are no longer amusing. Then you can go whine about free speech somewhere.
Okay, but, like, did you LITERALLY come here for the lulz? Because I’m unclear on that point.
Oh, goody! He’s back!
Response 3, which os why I chose this particular topic, because it’s so cute when they start to play sooperseckrit spy games:
“tchhhh,,,tchhh,,, Lima/Uniforn,,,Charley/Papa,,,, it’s Col, CatCrunch here: Deep in enemy territory, flying the lands of U-tube 14hrs,,, peppered with flack,,, returned fire,,,. 1, 2, and 4 flamed, extinguished, and feathered, 3, 5, and 6, turning.,,,tchhhhh,,,. Running hot, outboards fill thrust and burning,,,tchhhhhh. Spotted a chick with pink M-16 (for real), gave out her full address to the “REAL” enemy, challenging to them to a “real battle”, sorry to report gent’s NAWAT,,,tchhh,,,tchhh,,,. I Radioed her: “you are my favorite girl on the internet”. A good neighbor! tchhhhh, tchhhh, lots of intel, heading back,,, crabangle moderate. Looking over my right shoulder for coarse vector home tchhh,,,Admiral Key’s a good commander, coordinating stealth, intel, a good battlefield director tchhh,,,tchhhh… Low on fuel, setting down on civilian runway, dumping lead and remaining fuel, runway’s short, thin, I’m sure the tarmac will be au crackin ….”
@ john galt
Does that mean you’re earlier claim to be some sort of activist was false then?
If so, fair enough; but if you’re still maintaining that you and your MGTOW colleagues actually make a positive contribution to redressing men’s problems then I’d still be interested in hearing what it is you actually do to that end.
Like I say, not after a full report. A simple ‘problem’ > ‘strategy’ list would suffice.
If you’d been banned immediately, you’d be bragging that we’re afraid of your truth bombs. There’s a bar down the street from me where some regulars will try to start fights by going up to random people and slapping them in the face. You’re kind of the chickenshit version of that. We’re just going to shrug at you and go back to drinking our $1.50 beers.
The sheer fact that you didnt ban me right away shows that you crave the
conflictchewtoy laughs.FTFY.