The idea that women regularly use their sexual wiles to gain control over men has long been central to the Men’s Rights Movement.
In the seminal MRA tome The Myth of Male Power, Warren Farrell famously declared that secretaries have “miniskirt power, cleavage power and flirtation power” over their male bosses; the latest edition of his book features a shapely female posterior on the cover, sans clothing, to illustrate what he sees as the immense power women can exert over men with, well, their butts.
In the Men Going Their Own Way subreddit, one Reddit MGTOW takes Farrell’s argument one sickening step further, seeming to suggest that women use this sexy power of theirs to “intice” [sic] men to, well, rape them.
As High-Fruit-Trinity sees it, women have
used men’s nature against them.
They called men pigs & date-rapists. But they were the CAUSE
Of male piggishness and … rape?
They have entire industries just for women to be more beautiful, inticing and sexy. They’re taught everything about manipulating men. Men aren’t taught anything.
Women got away with this because they are the perceived victims, and you shouldn’t blame the victim. So who do you blame?
I dunno, dude, when a man acts like a pig to women, I blame him. When a man rapes a woman, I blame him. Who do you blame, Mr. High-Fruit-Trinity? Do you actually see rape survivors as the real “CAUSE” of rape, and the rapists themselves as the victims?
Apparently so. In a followup comment in the thread, High-Fruit-Trinity approvingly quotes a comment from a Washington Post reader about a famous political sex scandal.
“let’s acknowledge that women also play a role in soliciting sexual attention. Think about John Edwards and Rielle Hunter and how all the blame is focused on Edwards. She could easily cry “sexual harrassment!” as a causative factor; why isn’t a charge of “sexual enticement” just as accurately applied to the situation? “
It’s a bizarre question to ask about Edwards and Hunter, given that no one was accusing Edwards of sexually harassing her; the two had a consensual affair. But MRAs and MGTOWs seem to have some trouble understanding the difference between sexual harassment and mutual sexual attraction, as well as between consensual sex and rape.
In any case, the logic here is pretty clear: in High-Fruit-Trinity’s mind, whenever a man harasses or rapes or does anything sexual to a woman that she doesn’t consent to, it’s her fault, not his, because she must have “enticed” him into doing it.
Basically, this is blame-the-victim on steroids. And yet another reason so many people wish that the so-called Men Going Their Own Way would indeed go wherever it is they are allegedly going, the further away from the rest of us the better.
It’s because every single one of them is the One Free-Thinking Man. They’re a society comprised entirely of unaffiliated heroic individuals. It’s sort of like one of those MMORPGs where everyone is Batman.
@DanHolme
Definitely.
Let lesser beings — feminists, for example — complain that a MGTOW is using up all the ellipses. He makes his own rules, his own dark magic. What does he care about our mundane concerns! Besides, if we have no ellipses . . . we can use French brackets { { } }.
I haven’t read Terry Pratchett, but I listen to Caroline Casey (The Visionary Activist on Pacifica Radio), and she mentions him often.
He uses MGTOW Mixed Metaphors!
Ladies, this one is the real deal.
Pretty yourselves up and hope he’ll return.
@IgnoreSandra
Yeah, for some reason MGTOWs don’t want to answer my questions. Or take my spelling quizzes.
It’s puzzling.
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Esteemed Vietnam War Journalist, Anne Morrissy Merick, Dies At Age 83
More about female war correspondents, including Anne Morrissy Merick:
Women covering war
Female correspondents recall their historic role reporting from Vietnam
http://old.post-gazette.com/magazine/20000330namwomen2.asp
@Kat
…i’d bet money that he’ll be using multiple exclamation marks soon!!!!
I googled Caroline Casey, she looks fun. When I’ve got a break I’ll try and download some podcasts.
Oops. Here’s the link to Anne Morrissy Merick’s obituary:
http://jezebel.com/esteemed-vietnam-war-journalist-anne-morrissy-merick-1795036894
@DanHolme
Yes!!!11!!
She’s loads of fun. And she’s a big believer in the power of language and symbolism.
@EJ
Ha, ha!
They’re kinda like John Wayne, the original strong, silent type.
Except not strong.
And certainly not silent.
But like John Wayne, they are putting on a performance.
@JG
Lol, what were you reacting to so strongly in that first quote if you hadn’t actually read any of our replies at that point? That’s so cute.
If and when we want you gone, we won’t
need to meet your conditions. We will simply ask David if he would be willing to ban you. At the moment, though, I don’t want you gone, because replying to you is entertaining.
Finally, I have a simple question for you, JG: Is the 1% [a] good, or [b] bad? I await your response on pins and needles.
@EJ
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OK, so Galt’s favourite book/movie was written by a woman. Pretty douchey woman, but still a woman.
I’m betting his number 2 fave is the Red Pill trope namer, created by two women. And his number 3 fave, most likely Fight Club, written by a gay man.
Migtoes got no creativity of their own. Got to appropriate the work of others, even if they misunderstand and misrepresent it.
Well, that’s what you’re going to tell your buddies back at the MGTOW farm, anyway. “I triggered them!!!!”
Why can’t they make like this penguin and go their own way already?
http://i.imgur.com/cTmPE8F.gif
John Galt,
Would you be a dear and quote the replies that you actually found scary?
I saw no threats of violence. Not even any violent imagery. We just gave you a bit of mocking.
It sounds like you’re a pretty delicate and fragile little flower if our sarcasm and lyrics frightened you. You’re kind of shaming your namesake with your weakness here.
@Randroid
Not a single original concept was presented by you. Just the same cut-and-paste bullshit as every other trendy anti-ess-jay-dubya kid.
This blog mocks misogyny. If you’re a misogynist, (and you are!) we’re going to mock you. If you don’t like it, don’t 1) link your tired username to that site, and 2) don’t come here.
Run along now, sweetie. Shoo.
I honestly don’t think John Galt read any of our comments. I think he had a dialog all made up in his head before he even came here.
@LindsayIrene
Nearly every time I’ve interacted with a misogynist, that’s been how they operate. And they’ll just go on assuming we said the things he assumed we’d say, and effectively just have a conversation with himself.
Cause if he actually had a conversation with us, he’d find his blind faith in misogyny absolutely would not be adequate to converse or argue or discuss with us. This way, he gets to pretend he’s done anything meaningful, instead of face the reality that he’s made an incredibly poor showing of himself and the only reason he’s still posting here is that none of us care enough to ask David to remove him right now.
It’s like if Bilbo Baggins slathered himself in barbecue sauce and danced naked in front of Smaug – no, you’re not proving anything. Smaug isn’t reluctant to eat you. Smaug just isn’t hungry right now, and you’re not annoying enough yet for him to kill you.
@LindsayIrene
I agree; he’s following a script robotically, not actually responding to people.
@John Guilt
You’re failing on not just critical thinking and argumentation, but also the Turing test. Do better, or we’ll get bored.
What shitstorm? I saw some gentle laughter. It must be tough on you to step outside the greenhouse for the first time, but you really need thicker skin if you think LOL constitutes a shitstorm. I hate to see how hard you’d cry if someone actually said an unkind thing about you.
Thanks “guys” (can i use that term here?!) Your providing a ton of laughs for me, im coming here every morning now, coffee in hand, just to see your replies. Its amazing how your mental disorder (or is it just that you have a shit ton of free time?) encourages you to pick away at every minute detail of what is just, honestly, stream of consciousness writing. Keep the laughs coming, please!
Oh, i might add as well, that not a single hateful thing that has been written in response has damaged my “fragile male ego”. Despite the shared liberal hallucination, real men arent “fragile”. I literally couldnt care less what any of you say, beyond the comedic value.
And thats what all of you have such a problem with. You feel your not being heard. I get it, its a big, mean, bigoted world out there, and it has no problem kicking any of us while we are down. The difference between real men (and women, for that matter!) and you, is that we dont become bitter, fat, and ugly as a result of dealing with that world. We dont crawl into a “safe space” and demand the system change for us (inadequate space in airline seats, anyone?). We all feel that way from time to time.
Now, unlike any of you, i need to get some work done. You know, supporting the patriarchy 😉 I work for a Men’s Rights Organization, and our motto here is “Real Men Get Shit Done!”
@John Galt
‘Real Men Get Shit Done.’
Replace ‘shit’ with ‘fuck-all’ and I think you’ve nicely summed up the impact you’ve had on the world outside of the blogs you happen to comment on.
Seriously.
@ john galt
Well being a bloke I guess I’m your constituency, so let’s hear it. You say you’re getting things done, so it would be appreciated if you could just set out some brief details. Don’t need chapter and verse, a simple list of ‘Idenfitifed Problem’ – ‘Work being done by your organisation to redress that problem’ would be cool.
Over to you.
ETA: @ Dan – maybe it’s a northern thing but that was my first thought too.
So I’ve read like half of John Galt’s last comment, haven’t read the rest of the thread, so there’s a pretty high chance I’m wrong but… that’s Miggs, isn’t it ?
LOL @Dan. What leads you to believe that? Ill take the high road and not insult you back. Ad hominems are for the weak. Truths are for the strong. I speak nothing but the truth.
@Dan, so what do YOU do for a living? As i said, im a web programmer for an MRA organization. We save men’s lives here, from the horrors of the matriarchal legal and family court system we live under. The stories i have heard would keep you awake at night.
So, again, Dan, how is it that you feel you can make such a brash assumption about what i do? And be so rude about it? Also, what is it like to have no testicles?