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Women use their sexy wiles to entice men into raping them, MGTOW suggests

Woman manipulating man with handkerchief, butt

The idea that women regularly use their sexual wiles to gain control over men has long been central to the Men’s Rights Movement.

In the seminal MRA tome The Myth of Male Power, Warren Farrell famously declared that secretaries have “miniskirt power, cleavage power and flirtation power” over their male bosses; the latest edition of his book features a shapely female posterior on the cover, sans clothing, to illustrate what he sees as the immense power women can exert over men with, well, their butts.

In the Men Going Their Own Way subreddit, one Reddit MGTOW takes Farrell’s argument one sickening step further, seeming to suggest that women use this sexy power of theirs to “intice” [sic] men to, well, rape them.

As High-Fruit-Trinity sees it, women have

used men’s nature against them.

They called men pigs & date-rapists. But they were the CAUSE

Of male piggishness and … rape?

They have entire industries just for women to be more beautiful, inticing and sexy. They’re taught everything about manipulating men. Men aren’t taught anything.

Women got away with this because they are the perceived victims, and you shouldn’t blame the victim. So who do you blame?

I dunno, dude, when a man acts like a pig to women, I blame him. When a man rapes a woman, I blame him. Who do you blame, Mr. High-Fruit-Trinity? Do you actually see rape survivors as the real “CAUSE” of rape, and the rapists themselves as the victims?

Apparently so. In a followup comment in the thread, High-Fruit-Trinity approvingly quotes a comment from a Washington Post reader about a famous political sex scandal.

“let’s acknowledge that women also play a role in soliciting sexual attention. Think about John Edwards and Rielle Hunter and how all the blame is focused on Edwards. She could easily cry “sexual harrassment!” as a causative factor; why isn’t a charge of “sexual enticement” just as accurately applied to the situation? “

It’s a bizarre question to ask about Edwards and Hunter, given that no one was accusing Edwards of sexually harassing her; the two had a consensual affair. But MRAs and MGTOWs seem to have some trouble understanding the difference between sexual harassment and mutual sexual attraction, as well as between consensual sex and rape.

In any case, the logic here is pretty clear: in High-Fruit-Trinity’s mind, whenever a man harasses or rapes or does anything sexual to a woman that she doesn’t consent to, it’s her fault, not his, because she must have “enticed” him into doing it.

Basically, this is blame-the-victim on steroids. And yet another reason so many people wish that the so-called Men Going Their Own Way would indeed go wherever it is they are allegedly going, the further away from the rest of us the better.

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Petra Pumpkineater
Petra Pumpkineater
4 years ago

Hence lots of Islamic legal scholars at the time denouncing Khomeni’s ruling.

Oh, absolutely. Unfortunately, when you hand over license to steal to the common people, a dozen more sensible voices aren’t going to be able to prevent some damage. I visited Egypt in 1977, and have never run into such painstakingly honest people in my whole life. I mistook a ten pound bill for a 1 pound bill (.1 in Arabic means 10 in our numbers) and some kid chased our bus two kilometers to give us our change. And so on. Just a few years later, how things had changed. Sunni acquaintances told me that while they of course rejected Khomeini’s authority as a Shiite, that they “found his reasoning sound.” 🙁

PeeVee the (Timber-Rattling Booger Slut, But Noice) Sarcastic
PeeVee the (Timber-Rattling Booger Slut, But Noice) Sarcastic
4 years ago

Is Toysoldier known to sock? Because Petra’s particular brand of disingenuous wanking is pretty much identical to his.

I don’t know, but it’s either that or the brand-new zealotry of a very recent convert.

The pretentiousness of the “of human wankery” style is making my eyes glaze over, and adds nothing new to my education, as I’ve seen/heard everything Petra has written before.

Not real sure what Petra is hoping to achieve here, because this blog Tracks And Mocks Misogyny, but whatever.

DanHolme
DanHolme
4 years ago

@Petra

It actually sounds like the women of Nigeria, with the right kind of support, will be the key to dealing with the problem of radicalisation themselves. Good luck to them. I think they’ve probably had enough white saviours in Africa to last a thousand lifetimes.

But… are you suggesting that a terrorist group has only started attacking and raping women because no-one in the west was giving them enough attention when they ‘only’ killed men? That there is no history in warfare of women being sexually assaulted or kidnapped except when it might get noticed by people on the internet?

Oh, dear. This is a piss-poor argument.

Are you quite sure that Boko Haram’s main aim is getting themselves in the western media and inciting twitter campaigns against themselves?

I thought they might be trying to build a particular type of autocratic state in a region of a country that had previously suffered colonialism, civil war, and military dictatorships, myself.

What do I know? I’m just a frigging cannibalistic plig-daddy enabler. With no testicles, according to John Galt. And I’m going home in 5 minutes so if you are going to reply, please do so quickly. I still need you to translate the insult for me.

Imaginary Petal
Imaginary Petal
4 years ago

Wank wank wank fap fap fap.

Ban it now.

LindsayIrene, Rioting Werebonobo
LindsayIrene, Rioting Werebonobo
4 years ago

Jesus. I go to bed and wake up to

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Viscaria the Cheese Hog
Viscaria the Cheese Hog
4 years ago

Frankly your denial, and V’s blank accusation of “lies” without addressing the boys, makes you look, well, kind of like the Catholic middle hierarchy in dealing with certain scandals. Deny deny, accuse, scapegoat, obfuscate, oh look, a bird!

Okay. So, just to be clear, you think the burden is on us to refute your wild-ass accusations that we a) are each and every one of us sadists who b) only care about the sexual abuse of boys when it allows us to score political points, c) laugh and gloat about suppressing the voices of male abuse victims, and d) maliciously edit Karen Straughan out of things (?????) and not on you to back any of that up. When you make things up and then present the things you made up as fact, that’s what’s called lying.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

Why are we being accused of deleting GWW from Wikipedia? That came out of nowhere.

I wouldn’t be surprised if she was deleted as a citation because she’s not an academic or news source. But what does that have to do with us?

I’m also not sure what this has to do with MGTOW saying women are to be blamed for rape if they’re sexy.

LindsayIrene, Rioting Werebonobo
LindsayIrene, Rioting Werebonobo
4 years ago

Why are we being accused of deleting GWW from Wikipedia?

And why does the Pumpkineater keep bringing up Eve Ensler? Have we ever discussed Eve Ensler here?

Imaginary Petal
Imaginary Petal
4 years ago

We have several people here, myself included, who were actually raped while male. If the commentariat were gloating and celebrating the rape of boys and men, I’d be way the fuck out of here immediately.

EJ (Marxist Jazz Weasel)

Sheesh, I go away for a few hours to maintain some legacy code, and the page just fills up.

@Petra:

Absolutely agreed. Are you pretending that this is a conversation exclusively about abuse of women, and that I’ve “interrupted” it to say what about the men?”

From what you’ve said, it sounds as if you believe that it is, yes.

Dan talked about his experiences volunteering, showing what an awesome person he is.

You said:

I wish I could say that I am surprised when you claim to have worked there, and with abuse victims, and not find abuse by female perps significant enough to mention.

Dan’s statement didn’t gender the people he was working with, or the people that abused them. He talked about volunteering in general terms. You immediately responded by asking him about gender, assuming that because he didn’t mention female abusers (and by implication male victims) then he must be claiming that there aren’t any.

This is a very good example of a what-about-the-menz.

Seems to me that you and others are the ones who are jumping on groups who are talking about systemic abuse of men and boys (most of which does NOT originate in feminism), and saying whataboutthewomen.

The groups we’re jumping on aren’t talking about systemic abuse of men and boys, at least not in ways that help them. A Voice For Men, for example, goes out of their way to advocate for policies that harm men, for example suggesting that it should be easier for fathers to abandon their sons.

The people I know who’ve spoken about men’s issues in the most powerful way – for example Ally Fogg – are generally very happy to also talk about womens’ issues, and to agree that the majority of sufferers are female. Likewise, many of these people are feminists or feminist-adjacent. While Fogg (last I checked) chooses not to identify as a feminist, he does so out of respect for feminism and a desire not to have male voices leading it.

I’m willing to bet that I’ve done more victim advocacy for women than you have.

If you’ve done any, then you probably have. The only volunteering I do regularly these days is tutoring. The gender issues in that one are interesting in their own right, but that’s a digression.

I suspect you’ve suffered more abuse than the stalking incident and that what you’re projecting onto me is your Stockholm syndrome talking.

Tasteful.

Dalillama: Irate Social Engineer

@Alan

Judgment, ruling or finding are all acceptable synonyms for Fatwa. It’s just a legal term after all.

Doom could also be used, if one felt like it. And bull could probably be stretched to fit as well.

Petra Pumpkineater
Petra Pumpkineater
4 years ago

My pardon. I did not understand this thread to be an informatinve exploration of violence against women, otherwise I never would have brought these issues up in this thread. Violence by women and violence against men in no way diminishes our society’s need to deal with violence by men and against women.

Please, carry on.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
4 years ago

@ dalillama

And bull could probably be stretched to fit as well.

I was a bit disappointed to find out the Pope didn’t actually have a pack of bovine enforcers.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
4 years ago

I started reading to catch up on the thread when I saw 2 more pages of it, but Petra is such a spammy spammer that I can’t be fucked to read more than 2 or 3 posts by this person.

Go away, Petra. Take a break from the Internet and a few breaths and stop posting every 2 fucking minutes.

Brony, Social Justice Cenobite

@Petra
I recommend you try arguing with one person at a time. I’ve been arguing for what I support as a pastime for twenty years and I try to avoid going over three people as a matter of tolerance and control.

It’s an instinct and a skill as complex as any physical martial art. I’ve used a comparison to grappling many times.

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
4 years ago

@Petra Pumpkineater

Too bad you don’t give a fuck about the boys when you cannot use them for the culture wars. When I say you, I don’t mean feminists. I mean you sadists on this forum who spend your time deleting references to Karen Straughan on Wikipedia, you who laugh and gloat about suppressing any discussion of abuse by females or abuse of males — unless the molester’s one of your political enemies.

Don’t hide behind feminism. Feminism is about equality, not about a right to rape boys and to shame those who talk about it.

Those are some interestingly detailed lies.

Reader, she’s making this up. All of it.

faintingcouches
4 years ago

@Petrie-dish of piss, go away. After reading your outlandish attack on Dan a few pages back I would just like to wish you to step on many legos for attacking a teacher and accusing him of cognitive dissonance. (WTF??!!!) As a secondary teacher myself you make yourself sound naive and condescending at the same time, quite a feat. You obviously have no idea of the workload and extra time that we put in working with students who have suffered in every way imaginable, harrowing abuse of neglect, emotional, physical and sexual abuse. It matters not which sex the child is. This is reality. Where children–neigh whole families– fall through the cracks in a system which is buckling at the seams from a lack of infrastructure and money, nothing to do with cognitive dissonance – Fuck. You.

Chessman
Chessman
4 years ago

this is a funny article

Zatar
Zatar
4 years ago

Petra:

“My pardon. I did not understand this thread to be an informatinve exploration of violence against women, otherwise I never would have brought these issues up in this thread.”

So in other words she didn’t read the article before posting? Trolls are weird.

John Galt
4 years ago

……just peeking in for another bout of lulz; in between getting stuff done and maintaining the very society and civilization that allows you less-then-useless leeches to spend all of your time here, being professional victims and outrage whores.

But dont let me interrupt: Please, carry on doing uh, whatever the hell is it that you do? Oh right, letting your armpit hair grow, dyeing each other’s hair to a bright pink and purple vomit, and screaming “muh vaginaaaaa” at random, Tourette’s-like intervals.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
4 years ago

@ john galt

in between getting stuff done and maintaining the very society and civilization

That’s very kind of you. What exactly is it that you do? I’d like to make sure I express the correct level of gratitude.

LindsayIrene, Rioting Werebonobo
LindsayIrene, Rioting Werebonobo
4 years ago

LOL John Galt, you ignorant slut.

John Galt
4 years ago

LindsayRaylene:

Thats a HALF truth!!! 😉

Ooglyboggles
4 years ago

@John Galt
I’m not here because I want attention or anything b-baka

Francesca Torpedo, Femoid Special Forces Major
Francesca Torpedo, Femoid Special Forces Major
4 years ago

DO I SMELL A MOTHERFUCKER

LindsayIrene, Rioting Werebonobo
LindsayIrene, Rioting Werebonobo
4 years ago

Nothing to see here, folks. Go back to your regularly scheduled arm-pit hair dying.

Laugher at Bigots, Low-T Inbetweener Weener

Thats a HALF truth!!! 😉

So you’re an ignorant prude?

Rhuu - apparently an illiterati
Rhuu - apparently an illiterati
4 years ago

@John Galt: Do you need to put in effort to grow your armpit hair? Because mine just… Grows.

Also if your vomit is bright pink and purple, I’d reconsider what you’ve been eating. It’s not supposed to be that colour.

cornychips
cornychips
4 years ago

@john Galt

Hoo boy!!! Wow. So edgy. I just can’t stop laughing from a decades old fucking joke. Omg, how do you do it? Pink hair? Muh vaginas? Pure poetry. Such beautiful prose.

But seriously, you’re just “peeking in”?
Sounds like somebody is lonely and needs to get some attention, no matter what type

And here I am, giving you the attention that you desperately seek! Lol

Brony, Social Justice Cenobite

I see one of the ones filled with emotional impressions of objects they do not specify is here. Doing the whole “casual laid back” rhetoric on the dominance display.

Minus the substance all I see is the fear and desire to taunt. This one operates somewhere between age seven and twelve with respect to complexity of behavior. All social posturing they can’t tie to specifics.

PeeVee the (Timber-Rattling Booger Slut, But Noice) Sarcastic
PeeVee the (Timber-Rattling Booger Slut, But Noice) Sarcastic
4 years ago

Galt peeking in:

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weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

I guess if you’re a 329 year old engineer you feel compelled to comment on 329 year old threads. Sad!

PeeVee the (Timber-Rattling Booger Slut, But Noice) Sarcastic
PeeVee the (Timber-Rattling Booger Slut, But Noice) Sarcastic
4 years ago

Thats a HALF truth!!!

We all know he doesn’t have sex because he’s Gone His Own Way, so that leaves “ignorant.”

Finally. Some self awareness.

PutTheTipIn
PutTheTipIn
4 years ago

I just came across this shitshow. Did a Mangina write this article or an angry lesbian?

-Love the comment about the pink hair and armpit hair. Why is it that Angry Libs are typically fat with pink hair and pasty white skin? Sorry… I digress. The women’s marches didn’t have one single hottie. Hmmmm

So, is the author in denial that for centuries women have used their looks and the promise of sex to get what they want from a man? The only difference that modernity has brought is that they want to sit on their asses, have all the conveniences THEN when they get bored with hubby they can kick him out and he still pays for her abode, kids and her LandRover SUV. All while she rides the cockcarousel.

Women don’t want “Equality”, but instead to do less, have all the choices and then kick hubby out only to have him continue to foot the bill. And the crazy thing is Men (judges and lawyers) make this a reality. WTF has happened?

Laugher at Bigots, Low-T Inbetweener Weener

Thank you, “PutTheTipIn”, for using several hundred words where four would do.

This thread just attracts all the trolls, doesn’t it?

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

Put the tip in? Interesting and not at all creepy name.

pasty white skin

I thought my pasty white skin was the only way I was womaning correctly! Doesn’t the manosphere have white nationalist leanings? Whatever happened to that?

So, is the author in denial that for centuries women have used their looks and the promise of sex to get what they want from a man? The only difference that modernity has brought is that they want to sit on their asses, have all the conveniences THEN when they get bored with hubby they can kick him out and he still pays for her abode, kids and her LandRover SUV. All while she rides the cockcarousel.

But in the current MGTOW thread we learned that being a slut doesn’t get women anything. Which is it?

LindsayIrene, Rioting Werebonobo
LindsayIrene, Rioting Werebonobo
4 years ago

Poor John Galt. He was getting ignored so he had to come up with a new nym. I’m sure your mom loves you, John!

Ooglyboggles
4 years ago

@PutTheTipIn

PutTheTipIn

It must be my visually impaired eyesight but muh poor dumb librain sees only tan brown skin on myself.

THEN when they get bored with hubby they can kick him out and he still pays for her abode, kids and her LandRover SUV. All while she rides the cockcarousel.

Man I hope you never had kids because if this is the example you’re putting forth you must be out of this world.

Make up your mind, are the women masterminds or nothing? Come on John Galt did you get such cold feet you needed to have a redo THIS soon?

PeeVee the (Timber-Rattling Booger Slut, But Noice) Sarcastic
PeeVee the (Timber-Rattling Booger Slut, But Noice) Sarcastic
4 years ago

Tippy:

Here’s one for you: every time you start out with some bullshit like “just came across this shitshow. Did a Mangina write this article or an angry lesbian”, or some fucking dumb lead in like that, you basically announce your stupid seagull ass as the fucking ignorant troll you are.

Also, your Miggy screeching is annoying.

Plus, because this one bears repeating,
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Croquembouche, poorly-dressed vandal
Croquembouche, poorly-dressed vandal
4 years ago

-Love the comment about the pink hair and armpit hair.

Yes, poor Galty, reduced to creating another sockpuppet in order to pay himself compliments. Sad!

@ cornychips, nice to see you again, anyway.

LindsayIrene, Rioting Werebonobo
LindsayIrene, Rioting Werebonobo
4 years ago

Wonder if we can make him flip out by posting gifs again.

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PeeVee the (Timber-Rattling Booger Slut, But Noice) Sarcastic
PeeVee the (Timber-Rattling Booger Slut, But Noice) Sarcastic
4 years ago
LindsayIrene, Rioting Werebonobo
LindsayIrene, Rioting Werebonobo
4 years ago

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Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
4 years ago

……just peeking in for another bout of lulz; in between getting stuff done and maintaining the very society and civilization that allows you less-then-useless leeches to spend all of your time here, being professional victims and outrage whores.

But dont let me interrupt: Please, carry on doing uh, whatever the hell is it that you do? Oh right, letting your armpit hair grow, dyeing each other’s hair to a bright pink and purple vomit, and screaming “muh vaginaaaaa” at random, Tourette’s-like intervals.

Who’s the outrage whore again?

One more thing: You and all your MGTOW acquaintances are sick with jealousy that, due to your lack of hotness, no one would ever consider paying you for sex.

IgnoreSandra
IgnoreSandra
4 years ago

@Kat

Jealous is about the only thing I can attribute to them. Well, that and a lot of other things. They project onto us what they most desperately want to do. As men have projected onto women at least as long as my living history.

DanHolme
DanHolme
4 years ago

@John Galt

Thanks God you’re back. Any idea where my testicles have gone, yet? I’ve been looking for them everywhere after you pointed out I had none…

Oh, wait – there they are. In your last post. Because it was complete bollocks.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
4 years ago

@ put the…nope, not writing the rest

I just came across this shitshow.

I’m not one to be sceptical; but somehow I doubt that.

LandRover SUV

Hey, you leave Land (space) Rovers out of this.

Viscaria the Cheese Hog
Viscaria the Cheese Hog
4 years ago

Did a Mangina write this article or an angry lesbian?

I’m sorry, I can’t process the rest of your wish journal entry until I have a good explanation for why Mangina is capped but lesbian is not.

PutTheTipIn
PutTheTipIn
4 years ago

Sorry Snowflakes (should that be capitalized?),I’m not Galt. Although I am a fan of Ayn Rand.

I came across this link b/c you guys were being made fun of and there was a brief lull in my day, and I figured why not stop in and rattle their cages.

Seriously, I am befuddled by the thought processes of those on the lib and feminist side of the fence.

One cannot have a debate without a shitstorm of name calling and bashing from the left.

When do you see repubs burning down their neighborhood stores, assaulting innocents and looting in the name of demonstration? Doesn’t happen. Why so nasty when things don’t go your way?