The idea that women regularly use their sexual wiles to gain control over men has long been central to the Men’s Rights Movement.
In the seminal MRA tome The Myth of Male Power, Warren Farrell famously declared that secretaries have “miniskirt power, cleavage power and flirtation power” over their male bosses; the latest edition of his book features a shapely female posterior on the cover, sans clothing, to illustrate what he sees as the immense power women can exert over men with, well, their butts.
In the Men Going Their Own Way subreddit, one Reddit MGTOW takes Farrell’s argument one sickening step further, seeming to suggest that women use this sexy power of theirs to “intice” [sic] men to, well, rape them.
As High-Fruit-Trinity sees it, women have
used men’s nature against them.
They called men pigs & date-rapists. But they were the CAUSE
Of male piggishness and … rape?
They have entire industries just for women to be more beautiful, inticing and sexy. They’re taught everything about manipulating men. Men aren’t taught anything.
Women got away with this because they are the perceived victims, and you shouldn’t blame the victim. So who do you blame?
I dunno, dude, when a man acts like a pig to women, I blame him. When a man rapes a woman, I blame him. Who do you blame, Mr. High-Fruit-Trinity? Do you actually see rape survivors as the real “CAUSE” of rape, and the rapists themselves as the victims?
Apparently so. In a followup comment in the thread, High-Fruit-Trinity approvingly quotes a comment from a Washington Post reader about a famous political sex scandal.
“let’s acknowledge that women also play a role in soliciting sexual attention. Think about John Edwards and Rielle Hunter and how all the blame is focused on Edwards. She could easily cry “sexual harrassment!” as a causative factor; why isn’t a charge of “sexual enticement” just as accurately applied to the situation? “
It’s a bizarre question to ask about Edwards and Hunter, given that no one was accusing Edwards of sexually harassing her; the two had a consensual affair. But MRAs and MGTOWs seem to have some trouble understanding the difference between sexual harassment and mutual sexual attraction, as well as between consensual sex and rape.
In any case, the logic here is pretty clear: in High-Fruit-Trinity’s mind, whenever a man harasses or rapes or does anything sexual to a woman that she doesn’t consent to, it’s her fault, not his, because she must have “enticed” him into doing it.
Basically, this is blame-the-victim on steroids. And yet another reason so many people wish that the so-called Men Going Their Own Way would indeed go wherever it is they are allegedly going, the further away from the rest of us the better.
@ ptti
Ok, what do you want to debate? State a proposition, provide the evidence you say supports that and, if I disagree, I’ll respond.
(If it assists, my favourite topics: women can’t fight, incels aren’t wankers, and MGTOWs genuinely are going their own way.)
When they’re pushing through bills.
(Since there’s no way you have the intelligence to understand metaphors, I’m talking about their Randian hyper-capitalism killing small businesses, their so-called “Health care” policies killing the poor and their supervillain-esque corruption killing democracy itself.)
“*Insults* *Insults* *Flat out admits is here to cause anger*”
“Why can’t we have an honest debate? So much for the ‘Tolerant Left’!”
You’re not just a troll, but really bad at it, too.
He wants a debaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaate.
Second verse, same as the first.sock puppet gif
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@ lindsayirene
“A little bit louder and a little bit worse!”
Heh, that’s brought back happy memories of annoying school bus drivers.
Yes, we know.
Tippy, you’re not here to debate.
You’re here to be an asshole.
You barged in here insulting us.
You do not get to claim victimization.
If you were any more transparent, we could stick you into a frame and use you as a window.
We’re mocking Tippy toes and he thinks he’s rattled us? That’s adorable.
Tippy, if you want a debate, put forth an argument and support it. Someone will probably indulge you. So far I haven’t seen anything come from you that’s worth debating.
@putthetwitin
Ordinarily I take great joy in ripping apart ridiculous Randists, but you’re really fucking boring, and I’ve got stuff to do. Be a good little crypto-fascist and go away, would you?
“hurr durr im gunna flex my debate skills”
I have grown to intensely dislike anyone who ‘debates’ on the internet these days, anyone else feel this way?
It’s hard for me not to just be all like “Fuck you,” to these master Internet debaters.
No. Also, you need a comma before snowflakes, to indicate direct address.
I’m afraid I can’t help you with the rest of your comment, as I stopped reading there.
I like how Tipin mentioned how people were making fun of us. Like oh no! The cool kids at school are talking about me. I hope it doesn’t ruin my rep before the big dance!!
I didn’t think a 329 yr old engineer that lived on the beach with their totally real girlfriend, hunting seagulls all day, gave a shit about such popularity bullshit.
Color me impressed!
So, the people making fun of us are who now? John Galt and maybe two or three other MGTOW probably. Since they both seem to think that our mild mockery of them means we’re having some sort of emotional breakdowns over them, that seems to be it.
The “haha, you’re so emotional and triggered!” shit only works when at least one other person is upset or angry though. So I don’t know why they keep trying it. It takes at least a little skill to successfully gaslight and neither Galt or Tip possess that skill.
@WWTH
In a public setting like this, it also takes collusion from other group members. And none of us are down with gaslighting.
Holy cow:
https://www.themarysue.com/update-on-the-gop-red-pill-creator/
The guy who started the Red Pill forum has resigned from his position in the NH state house.
ETA: Sorry if this isn’t the best thread to share this news, but better this than playing bakklewheep with Tippy?
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The most tragic part of the comedy that is this site, is that not only is are all the posters who identify as feminists in need of serious, deep psychological evaluation; its also that there is a disturbing (well, any number above 0 is disturbing) amount of what seems to be men here. Spouting their ad-hominem attacks at anything that isnt in immediate and total agreement with their twisted and horrific world-view.
You are bringing down society. You are killing birth rates in first world countries. You are doing nothing but throwing sticks at the cogs of the machine that provides the very life and freedoms you take such disrespectful advantage of.
Your cutting off your proverbial noses to spite your face.
Once we men (fingers crossed) have had enough, we will eventually put down the matriarchal society we birthed unintentionally with the terrible decision to allow women to vote. I hope to see this in my lifetime.
Women will go back to being women, men to being men. If gender roles are such a problem for feminists, why dont we see hordes of women coal miners?
Garbage pickup workers?
Oil rig workers?
ANY high risk profession?
Its because women are wired to love safety. The safety of a loving home, provided by a male that works hard and may risk his life on the daily to provide comforts for his children and wife.
…AND SOMEHOW you found a way to complain about that. Archetypes arent a ‘social construct’; they are how the human race (well, and every organism above single-cell) got to where we are today.
Feminism is cancer. It is a terrible mental disease that is being pushed by a globalist cabal that wants to destroy the family (its already working here), with deluded, bored, ugly and fat females as its foot soldiers. This is also why religion is being eliminated. The govt wants everyone dependent on the state, which is just fine for most women, although they will still complain about it.
The whole thing, honestly, just makes me really sad. But that doesnt stop me from literally getting laid like a rock star, succeeding on my own merits in life, and doing everything i can to help my poor brothers that have been broken by the matriarchal system all of you love. I have zero hate in my heart, have never raised a hand to a woman, and i think immigration is just fine, provided a total assimilation to our society and laws.
…but somehow im the bad guy.
…commence hate!
@Troll
Translation:
“I am literally the worst person. See me be so edgy and necromance! Be intimidated! Be intimidated! I beg you, please, be intimidated by me. I literally have nothing else in my life, and am trying not to comprehend how funny and pathetic I am to you.”
Ban him, this is long over.
@Galty Gear
What can I say, Papa Bear likes his chairs hard ?
Good
Of these muthafuckin snakes on this muthafuckin plane?
Where’s the fun in that?
1st round draft picks
On a rhino’s dose of narcotics and with girls who swear they’re 18?
Somehow…
http://troll.me/images/sad-guy/you-never-pay-attention-to-me-anymore.jpg
What is it with libertarians? They claim to love liberty and freedom and hate intervention. Yet they so often want to go back to the time when the government was disenfranchising women. They love freedom but they want women to be enslaved by men.
It’s almost like they just want the freedom to oppress other people! Shocking revelation, I know.
“We men”? Hate to break it to ya, kiddo, but we men (along with women and everyone in the entire gender spectrum) have actually had enough of the sad worldview you cling to. We’re all moving forward while you’re staying behind. This is what makes you angry and it’s the reason you’re on this site trying to pick a fight, only to find yourself being laughed at.
I hope (fingers crossed) that you’ll soon realize how you’re being sold the same old lies repackaged as something slick and cool.
@ John Galt
Indulge me please; how do you make your living?
You see, I find it difficult to comprehend how anyone these days can survive without at least some outside assistance. How did you pay for your education for example? State provision, wealthy parents? If you did indeed fund your way through school by, for example, sweeping chimneys, then obviously I’ll be impressed.
And how do you function in the present? I note you’re currently using the Internet. You’ll no doubt know that the original DARPAnet was a publicly funded initiative paid for, ultimately, through taxation.
I do know a few people who live ‘off the grid’ as much as possible, but even they rely on others to an extent; whether that be friends or the state. Of course that’s over here in Europe. It may be you’re somewhere where the libertarian ideal can flourish.
But I’d be very interested in how you manage it.
@Galt
Obviously, this is not the case. You are here on this blog to hate, and you’ve put a fair bit of effort into it. Please, go back to literally getting laid like a rock star.
Not sure why Galt is here posting screeds? The literary version (for certain definitions of “literary”) didn’t try to win over the masses, he just went to live in his sci-fi dystopia and deliberately left the masses to die.
Go find your gulch, Galt. Go Galt and remove yourself from society. It’s the right thing for you to do.